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 by: Michael Trew - Tue, 3 May 2022 18:38 UTC

On 5/2/2022 23:41, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
>
> There are five fundamental common consumer operating system newsgroups:
> <http://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android>
> <http://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone>
> <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux>
> <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.os.windows-10>
> <http://groups.google.com/g/comp.sys.mac.system>
>
> You can ask the exact same question of all five (assuming it's relevant,
> such as "does the Tor Browser work on your platform?) and you'll get an
> _adult_ response to three of the five.

I guess the Windows 7 groups don't count anymore. I'm still subscribed
to alt.windows7.general

> Wow. That's great. That's a garage to die for! I love it!
> My brother has a professional lift which is one thing I _always_ wanted.
>
> Do you do any woodworking? That's a hobby that also takes up floor space.

I'd love to have a lift, but the ceiling isn't high enough for the
standard 2 or 4 post professional lifts. I could get a scissor lift
that takes the car up a couple of feet, and I might do that at some point.

> BTW, if you want advice in what tools to get for either the alignment or
> for the mounting and balancing of tires, just ask & I'll be helpful.

I was looking at that harbor freight set that you posted. Looks like
one would need the balancer, manual changer, and the bead breaker?

> Oh my! Don't do that. Buy inexpensive. Not cheap. What I mean by that is
> you can _easily_ get _better_ pads for less money than worse pads if you
> _know_ what you're looking for.

By "cheap", I suppose I meant more inexpensive. I usually buy whatever
the lower cost set it at Auto Zone or a local auto parts shop. I've
bought flat out "cheap" pads on rockauto.com, and regretted it.

> Wow. I've _never_ sold a car in my life. I've always given them away.

Sign me up!! Lol. Ohio state doesn't have car inspection, so I buy
basically "give away" sub $700 cars, tinker with them, drive them until
I tire of them, and usually sell them for what I have into them. I've
owned at least 30 some cars (I'm in my 20's, for reference). I
currently have 10 in my possession, unfortunately.

> What I _love_ about owning old cars is that you don't fret when it gets a
> new scratch

Exactly. I have a couple of roads in town that are basically
off-roading, where bamboo and trees hang down. Dirt roads; boy are they
fun. One is rather steep. I'll run up in an old pickup truck with a
ladder rack on it (I always have to have one of those), and there will
be a collection of bamboo in the bed of the truck that the ladder rack
caught.

> Yup. Nothing a welding torch can't solve when the oxygen hits the hot iron!
> I have 220V and gas welding equipment myself, but I rarely do it nowadays.

He had a gas torch. I need me one of those!

> Great pads are about $12 or so each and rotors can be gotten for $15 to $25
> each and a set of unloaded calipers can be obtained for around $30 each
> (after core refund). Ask me how I know this.

How on earth do you find those prices?? I can't even get rotors turned
for that price!

> Fun fact: What's the one thing that did NOT happen to brake rotors when the
> average person vehemently claims that their "brakes warped"?

I've heard that it's usually built up brake pad material on the rotors.

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Michael Trew wrote:

>> When I was a kid I did that, but once I got "flat spot" tires and another
>> time a sidewall blew out, so I gave up on that when I was still in school.
>
> I'm 27 years old, so I'm still allowed to use the "kid" excuse ;)

Oh wow. Most of "us" on Usenet were born before your parents were born! :)

> To be fair, tires have gotten far more safe and reliable over time.

Yup. Bias ply tires suck compared to radial ply tires for example.
And suspension systems have also improved.
Drive trains too.

When is the last time you had to replace a ball joint & tie rod end?
And how many u-joints have you had to replace in the past few years?

Probably none.
And yet we did that all the time "back in the day"...

Don't even get me started on winding our own alternator coils, or setting
dwell or timing or replacing points and condensers and adjusting carbs...

The good news is car maintenance & repair just gets easier over time.
(Just as the maxim of electronics getting better faster cheaper over time.)

> I *have* recently driven on over 50 year old bias ply tires. The rubber
> hardened up, and on a slick morning, I learned *really* quickly how fast
> an old boat could skid (see picture of my back yard that I posted;
> green-ish 1968 Ford Galaxie). I sold the car, so didn't bother with the
> tires.

Skids are fun, when they're done in the open fields.
We used to find a big parking lot back east and slide around in the snow.
Lot's of fun and it's a learning experience too.

One problem is sliding down a hill though, when it's all ice.
Almost nothing except studs or chains will help there at any speed anyway.

>> Heh heh heh... if you only knew how far I wear my tread down (I start to
>> "bat an eye" when I can see the cloth belts!) where I happen to know that
>> the _dry_ traction increases as the tread wears down, so I'm with you on
>> not worrying all that much about tires.
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/JzvTyjKg/mount18.jpg>
>
> I've run some down that far, but I really try not to. Many cars, I
> don't keep long enough to see that.

Where it rains, it doesn't make any sense to wear the tread to the level
that I habitually wear it to. There's a reason for the "legal limit".

> Of course, living in Ohio, I could
> *never* drive something like that in the winter.

Yup. You'd be skiing on those slicks.
Here, in California, you get _more_ traction on the dry pavement.

But I don't do it for that reason.
I just do it because I'm not afraid of a worn tire like most people are.

> I did buy a couple of
> new tires for my current winter car (new tires are rare for me).

I really want you to check out Simple Tire for their prices.
<https://simpletire.com/types/passenger-tires>

Please pick a set of tires by size and tell me what the least expensive
tire is and then I can tell you whether it's a good deal or not given
whatever the OEM tire spec is for that vehicle.

I think you'll find that new tires are very often less expensive than you
think, simply because they're commodities that you can buy by the spec.

The mounting and balancing is almost free (you pay for a new valve every
few times and you pay for wheel weights every once in a while & that's it).
--
On Usenet you can find people who think the way you think about things.

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On 5/2/2022 6:19 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/2/2022 12:22, sms wrote:
>> On 5/2/2022 7:34 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Why is a tire larger than 18 inches ever necessary for a
>>> non-commercial vehicle?
>>
>> Not really necessary, but they do improve handling and increase traction.
>>
>> Manual tire changers are not expensive. The ones from Harbor Freight are
>> sufficient for home use.
>>
>> The issue remains that static balancing should be avoided. Read
>> <https://e-quipfix.co.uk/wheel-balancing-101-static-vs-dynamic-wheel-balancing/>.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not many home mechanics are going to spend the money on a dynamic wheel
>> balancer, but it's extremely foolish to balance vehicle tires using a
>> static balancer.
>>
>> There's no upside to mounting your own tires when you then have to take
>> the them to somewhere that they can be properly balanced.
>
> Well, the upside that I see is saving money.  Most shops that
> mount/balance with their machine want to charge you $20+ per wheel these
> days.  I buy used tires where ever I can find them.
>
> For my Geo Metro collection, I have a huge pile of 12" tires in the
> garage, many as old as the 1990's.  At one point, I was trying to get
> rid of the oldest most rotted/cracked (but still somewhat decent) ones,
> and I was mounting them myself (not balanced) and putting them on the
> back of the car only, with a full size spare with me.  When I got sick
> of a flat or blowout every month or so, I eventually quit doing that.
>
> In short, what I'm saying... you and I are in a rather different world,
> vehicle-wise ;)

It doesn't matter whether the vehicle is old or new, you still should be
driving with properly balanced wheels.

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On 5/3/2022 1:52, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>
>>>> Larger wheels on high performance vehicles allow for larger brakes, and
>>>> while larger brakes won't actually stop you any quicker for a single
>>>> stop, their greater heat capacity will mean they fade less when doing
>>>> multiple stops/slowings.
>>>
>>> Eh, I don't know, I guess I'm biased.� I drive old beaters; most of
>>> my cars are pre-1990.
>>
>> I haven't had a pre-1990 car since 1995. Now I don't even want a pre
>> 2020 car.

Funny, I get annoyed with post 2000 cars. I'm quite irritated with my
2005 Hyundai Elantra. I don't like the hydraulic clutch, power windows,
larger A-pillars, etc, etc. I enjoy driving the '89 Olds wagon. Can't
wait to fix my '75 Dodge Dart. It needs a leaf spring replaced (Lord
knows how that broke), then it's back on the road.

> One disadvantage of the older cars in California is they have to do the
> smog test on a dyno, which, one by one, are dropping out of the market.
>
> In California, newer cars get a smog check by the OBDII sensor instead.

I live in Ohio, in a county with no emissions. No car inspections
either; I love it!

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On 5/3/2022 1:59, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>
>>> Larger wheels on high performance vehicles allow for larger brakes,
>>> and while larger brakes won't actually stop you any quicker for a
>>> single stop, their greater heat capacity will mean they fade less
>>> when doing multiple stops/slowings.
>>
>> Larger wheels with an overall larger diameter also negotiate potholed
>> roads better than smaller diameter wheels. As a person who owned the
>> original Minis with 10 inch wheels, I speak from experience. ;-)
>
> Wow. I don't think I've ever owned smaller than about 14 inch wheels on any
> passenger auto, where I saw that Michael Trew had 12 inch wheels.
> The 14 and 15 inch wheels are a breeze to mount and balance compared to the
> stiffer sidewall larger SUV/LT tires in my humblest of experiences.

I've owned several. I currently have 5 Geo Metros. Some models had the
12" rim tires; others had 13". It's getting hard to find new 12" rim
tires. My former '95 Toyota Tercel had 13's also. All of my larger
vehicles take 15's now.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 3 May 2022 19:19 UTC

Michael Trew wrote:

>> You can ask the exact same question of all five (assuming it's relevant,
>> such as "does the Tor Browser work on your platform?) and you'll get an
>> _adult_ response to three of the five.
>
> I guess the Windows 7 groups don't count anymore. I'm still subscribed
> to alt.windows7.general

They're all Windows, but yes, you're correct there are more Windows ngs
alt.comp.os.windows-11
alt.comp.os.windows-10
alt.comp.os.windows-8
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
alt.comp.os.windows-2000
alt.comp.os.windows-95
alt.comp.os.ms-dos>
etc.

The main archived Windows newsgroup isn't used by many people.
<groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>

>> Wow. That's great. That's a garage to die for! I love it!
>> My brother has a professional lift which is one thing I _always_ wanted.
>>
>> Do you do any woodworking? That's a hobby that also takes up floor space.
>
> I'd love to have a lift, but the ceiling isn't high enough for the
> standard 2 or 4 post professional lifts. I could get a scissor lift
> that takes the car up a couple of feet, and I might do that at some point.

There's also the bay concept (you dig a hole, put in steps, and voila!).

>> BTW, if you want advice in what tools to get for either the alignment or
>> for the mounting and balancing of tires, just ask & I'll be helpful.
>
> I was looking at that harbor freight set that you posted. Looks like
> one would need the balancer, manual changer, and the bead breaker?

Yup. If the tires are small (less than about 17 inches perhaps) you can use
the bead breaker that comes with the manual tire changer. I'm assuming, of
course, that you have compressed air and all the necessary air fittings.

There are six beads involved, the first & last being the hardest.

First you remove the shrader valve (with the special driver).
a. Then you break the outside bead (using the bead breaker).
b. You break the inside bead next (again, using the bead breaker).
c. Then you remove the upper bead (using the tire changer).
d. Then you remove the lower bead (using the tire changer).

If desired, at this point you can replace the tire valve if you like.
Xeno and I like the mostly brass ones as opposed to the mostly rubber ones.
The mostly brass use a nut while the mostly rubber ones use a grommet.

At this point you _position_ the new tire (by the dots)...
e. Then you set the lower bead of the new tire (using the tire changer).
f. Then you set the upper bead of the new tire (using the tire changer).

Then you push the lower bead in at the rim's drop center (knees & hands).
And then you flush it full of air until the beads seat & pop a few times.

After that, you adjust the tire pressure (I stick with about 30 to 35 psi).
And then you do a static balance (using the static wheel balancer tool).

For small tires it's a breeze.
It only gets difficult when the tires reach around 16 and 17 inches.

I'm not sure exactly why that's the case, as the lower profile tires don't
cause as much a problem in my humble experience - but I think the light
truck tires have a stiffer sidewall (load range is higher).

If you don't get the lower bead in the drop center - you are dead.
>> Oh my! Don't do that. Buy inexpensive. Not cheap. What I mean by that is
>> you can _easily_ get _better_ pads for less money than worse pads if you
>> _know_ what you're looking for.
>
> By "cheap", I suppose I meant more inexpensive. I usually buy whatever
> the lower cost set it at Auto Zone or a local auto parts shop. I've
> bought flat out "cheap" pads on rockauto.com, and regretted it.

Ah. Pads. Pads. Pads.
What can I tell you.

The price is meaningless.
What matters are the specs.

The most important spec for a pad is cold/hot braking friction.
That is something _every_ pad has printed on the pad (for good reason).

After that, it's a crap shoot.
a. Dusting
b. Noise
c. Wear
d. Fitment

The way I buy pads is almost fool proof.
1. I know what the OEM pads are (e.g., Jurid/Textar, both FF).
2. I know what other people use on the BMW forums (e.g., Akebono).
3. I try those first and if they work, I stick to those pads.

Never would I get lower than the OEM friction ratings though.
So if the PBR is GG then it's OK but not if it's EE.

Fun fact: Plenty of pads are EE which is just about the same coefficient of
friction as steel on steel... which says a lot about how reliable brakes
are when you think about the braking being barely better than no pad
material left for _some_ pads sold on the market today.

>
>> Wow. I've _never_ sold a car in my life. I've always given them away.
>
> Sign me up!! Lol. Ohio state doesn't have car inspection, so I buy
> basically "give away" sub $700 cars, tinker with them, drive them until
> I tire of them, and usually sell them for what I have into them. I've
> owned at least 30 some cars (I'm in my 20's, for reference). I
> currently have 10 in my possession, unfortunately.

Wow. You're learning a lot. Good for you. You can amortize that learning
over the next five or six decades. Good for you. To you a car is a
commodity (and it is). To most people it's not (but it still is).

Every marketing team tries to differentiate their car from the other car.
It's a game marketing plays (and most people fall for it).

>> What I _love_ about owning old cars is that you don't fret when it gets a
>> new scratch
>
> Exactly. I have a couple of roads in town that are basically
> off-roading, where bamboo and trees hang down. Dirt roads; boy are they
> fun. One is rather steep. I'll run up in an old pickup truck with a
> ladder rack on it (I always have to have one of those), and there will
> be a collection of bamboo in the bed of the truck that the ladder rack
> caught.

Yup. I had a chevy pickup with no first gear that we used to take "baja" in
the hills of New York State. Fun stuff when you don't care about what bangs
about in the truck (trees, logs, rocks, etc.). Lots of fun I had way back
when doing what you are doing now. Good for you!

>> Yup. Nothing a welding torch can't solve when the oxygen hits the hot iron!
>> I have 220V and gas welding equipment myself, but I rarely do it nowadays.
>
> He had a gas torch. I need me one of those!

I have oxyacetylene and electric arc where they're completely different but
I never get a good-looking weld as _that_ is what takes the expert to do.

>> Great pads are about $12 or so each and rotors can be gotten for $15 to $25
>> each and a set of unloaded calipers can be obtained for around $30 each
>> (after core refund). Ask me how I know this.
>
> How on earth do you find those prices?? I can't even get rotors turned
> for that price!

Rotors are rotors are rotors. They're commodities. Look at Rockauto and
Carid and you can easily get rotors for $15 to $25 each.

Here's a random hit given a search for $15 rotors on Rockauto & on Carid:
<https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/toyota,2002,echo,1.5l+l4,1388808,brake+&+wheel+hub,rotor,1896>
<https://www.carid.com/scion-im-brake-rotors/>

I recently replaced a five speed transmission clutch and decided to replace
the flywheel where it was $60 to turn it and about the same to buy a new
one online but I ended up paying about $80 (as I recall) since I needed it
pronto so I picked up the one at the local auto parts store.

The Stealer was something like $300 or so (as I recall).
They don't call them the Stealer for no good reason.

>> Fun fact: What's the one thing that did NOT happen to brake rotors when the
>> average person vehemently claims that their "brakes warped"?
>
> I've heard that it's usually built up brake pad material on the rotors.

Yup. You know it well. Most people are stupid. You're not.
That's why replacing the rotors works but so does "scraping" the deposits
off where there are various free methods to scrape the uneven deposition
off.

Fun Fact: What is the _main_ cause of the uneven deposition?

HINT: It's your foot doing what your brain instinctively tells it to do;
but if you train your foot to do the right thing instead, you won't ever
get "rotor warp" again (at least not the pad deposition type anyway).
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>>
>> When I was a kid I did that, but once I got "flat spot" tires and another
>> time a sidewall blew out, so I gave up on that when I was still in
>> school.
>
> I'm 27 years old, so I'm still allowed to use the "kid" excuse ;)
>
> To be fair, tires have gotten far more safe and reliable over time.  I
> *have* recently driven on over 50 year old bias ply tires.  The rubber
> hardened up, and on a slick morning, I learned *really* quickly how fast
> an old boat could skid (see picture of my back yard that I posted;
> green-ish 1968 Ford Galaxie).  I sold the car, so didn't bother with the
> tires.
>
>> Heh heh heh... if you only knew how far I wear my tread down (I start to
>> "bat an eye" when I can see the cloth belts!) where I happen to know that
>> the _dry_ traction increases as the tread wears down, so I'm with you on
>> not worrying all that much about tires.
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/JzvTyjKg/mount18.jpg>
>
> I've run some down that far, but I really try not to.  Many cars, I
> don't keep long enough to see that.  Of course, living in Ohio, I could
> *never* drive something like that in the winter.  I did buy a couple of
> new tires for my current winter car (new tires are rare for me).

Running a tire down to the point that you can see the belts is utterly
irresponsible.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 3 May 2022 19:28 UTC

sms wrote:

> It doesn't matter whether the vehicle is old or new, you still should be
> driving with properly balanced wheels.

Fun fact: If wheels don't shake at any speed, they're properly balanced.

To those who want to _learn_ something from the pros, check this video out:
*How to Balance Your Car's Tires at Home with the HF Static Balancer*
<https://youtu.be/KY5vTmOPP1c>

While I have a love/hate relationship with Scotty Kilmer's advice, in
_that_ instance he paid $70 for balancing which sucked so he bought the
Harbor Freight $70 balancer and he said he balanced it better'n they did.

Fun fact: Scotty Kilmer has used _my_ annotated graphics in his videos!

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 3 May 2022 19:33 UTC

Michael Trew wrote:

> I live in Ohio, in a county with no emissions. No car inspections
> either; I love it!

I bought well over a hundred gallons of gasoline two days before the war,
and I'm almost empty now, so I'll find out what the gas prices are in
California, but I'm expecting even Costco to be well nigh near six bucks.

I bring that up only because that's the one thing I love about newer cars,
is that they tend to get better gas mileage than do the older cars.

However, just the 10% (or so) sales tax on a newer car is far more than
what it would cost to maintain the older car, so that's one reason to keep
the car for as long as you can (IMHO).

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 by: Alan - Tue, 3 May 2022 19:35 UTC

On 2022-05-03 12:28 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>> It doesn't matter whether the vehicle is old or new, you still should
>> be driving with properly balanced wheels.
>
> Fun fact: If wheels don't shake at any speed, they're properly balanced.

Banal fact.

>
> To those who want to _learn_ something from the pros, check this video out:
> *How to Balance Your Car's Tires at Home with the HF Static Balancer*
> <https://youtu.be/KY5vTmOPP1c>
>
> While I have a love/hate relationship with Scotty Kilmer's advice, in
> _that_ instance he paid $70 for balancing which sucked so he bought the
> Harbor Freight $70 balancer and he said he balanced it better'n they did.
>
> Fun fact: Scotty Kilmer has used _my_ annotated graphics in his videos!

Fun observation: you have no proof of that.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 3 May 2022 19:38 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> I used to take them apart and marvel at the complexity of the insides.
>
> they're made of glass, which means you could easily see what was
> inside, *without* 'taking them apart', an odd way to describe smashing
> the glass and potentially damaging the innards.

I can tell instantly that you've never even once taken a vacuum tube apart.

In addition, you've never smashed the tube in the old style TVs either.

Worse, you add no value to _any_ Usenet conversation, nospam. You can't.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 3 May 2022 19:43 UTC

Xeno wrote:

> You weren't, I was. And did.

The only thing Alan Baker posts for on Usenet is to argue about nothing.

But I _do_ want to know two things, if you know more about them, since you
have far more experience in handling than I do (and I respect that).

I was taught, long ago, that the lower profile was for quicker handling,
and we all know why that would be the case (all other things being equal).

Is there any other main performance benefit of the lower profile tires?

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Xeno wrote:

>> Hmmmm.... Are you sure? They make a difference in _steering_ of course.
>> But how does a low-profile tire help in "highway performance" overall?
>
> Less sidewall flex therefore more directional steering.

Thanks for answering this question, where, um, er, that's what I said.
Didn't I? (Anyway, I agree that the steering is the main beneficiary.)

> IOW, they reduce
> the slip angles.

I would call it "quicker steering" in that the time between twisting the
steering wheel & the time that force makes it to the pavement, is reduced.

> Given the tyres perform 10% or more of the springing
> function, lower profile tyres will ride more harshly than the standard
> profile tyre.

Yup. That's why I was saying it's ridiculous to put low profile tires on a
light truck or SUV because the rest of the design is completely different.

Particularly the suspension.

> Disregarding pick up trucks, most SUVs never see even a *gravel road*
> much less go off-road.

Agreed. Many never make it onto an upaved shoulder of a road!
>> What else does a low-profile do fundamentally than provide quicker steering
>> response?
>
> Looks cool - so they say.

Yup. Posers will pose.
It's cheaper to look fast than it is to be fast.

To me, the look of a low profile tired SUV or Light Truck is ridiculous
only because it doesn't make any engineering sense to do something like
that.

It's like putting dual exhausts and racing stripes on a Ford Pinto.

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 by: Alan - Tue, 3 May 2022 20:03 UTC

On 2022-05-03 12:43 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>
>> You weren't, I was. And did.
>
> The only thing Alan Baker posts for on Usenet is to argue about nothing.
>
> But I _do_ want to know two things, if you know more about them, since you
> have far more experience in handling than I do (and I respect that).
>
> I was taught, long ago, that the lower profile was for quicker handling,
> and we all know why that would be the case (all other things being equal).
>
> Is there any other main performance benefit of the lower profile tires?

The overly simplistic answer that shows no real understanding...

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 3 May 2022 20:14 UTC

Michael Trew wrote:

> I've owned several. I currently have 5 Geo Metros. Some models had the
> 12" rim tires; others had 13". It's getting hard to find new 12" rim
> tires. My former '95 Toyota Tercel had 13's also. All of my larger
> vehicles take 15's now.

In my experience with 14 inch tires, they practically fall on and off the
wheels, so for those tires, you have no good reason to be paying $20 for a
mounting and balancing when it should be done for the price of a tire
valve.

It's the higher load range (104 or so) SUV/LT tires that, in my experience,
are harder to break the bead of and to mount (balancing is the same).

Take a look at the Scotty Kilmer video I posted, and note particularly that
the photos I've been posting (which I've posted for years) are the _same_
as in Scotty Kilmer's videos (just look and you'll recognize my pictures!).
<https://youtu.be/i7alzjqmPQo>
--
I find it a testament to my thoroughness that Scotty Kilmer stole my photos
(which clearly are the same photos as I've been posting here all along).

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 by: sms - Tue, 3 May 2022 20:24 UTC

On 5/3/2022 11:46 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/3/2022 1:52, Andy Burnelli wrote:

<snip>

>> One disadvantage of the older cars in California is they have to do the
>> smog test on a dyno, which, one by one, are dropping out of the market.
>>
>> In California, newer cars get a smog check by the OBDII sensor instead.
>
> I live in Ohio, in a county with no emissions.  No car inspections
> either; I love it!

There are no emissions in Ohio? Amazing.

Just got the first smog check on my wife's 2014 vehicle, there are no
smog checks required for the first eight years. Since the smog checks
now just involve reading the status of the sensors and checking that the
gas cap gasket is okay, the whole thing takes about 1-2 minutes. Or it
used to anyway. When I was getting a smog check on Sunday I asked the
guy why it was taking so long and he said that the BAR (Bureau of
Automotive Repair) now requires checks to last ten minutes so he had to
leave the cable plugged into the OBD-II port for ten minutes, until the
computer beeped ans said ten minutes were up. $45.

The smog check places have to have a dynomometer to be certified by the
state but they are rarely used anymore since OBD-II has been around
since 1996. Model year 1975 and older don't require a smog check.

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In article <t4s32g$14q$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > I live in Ohio, in a county with no emissions.  No car inspections
> > either; I love it!
>
> There are no emissions in Ohio? Amazing.

he said 'in a county with no emissions', not the entire state.

many states do not have emissions checks in rural areas.

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 by: Alan - Tue, 3 May 2022 20:52 UTC

On 2022-05-03 1:14 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> I've owned several.  I currently have 5 Geo Metros.  Some models had
>> the 12" rim tires; others had 13".  It's getting hard to find new 12"
>> rim tires.  My former '95 Toyota Tercel had 13's also.  All of my
>> larger vehicles take 15's now.
>
> In my experience with 14 inch tires,

You mean 14" rims...

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:20 UTC

sms wrote:

> There are no emissions in Ohio? Amazing.

The kindergarten iKooks would have a field day with that sentence, even
though every _adult_ knows exactly what Steve & Michael Trew meant.

> (Bureau of
> Automotive Repair) now requires checks to last ten minutes so he had to
> leave the cable plugged into the OBD-II port for ten minutes, until the
> computer beeped ans said ten minutes were up. $45.

I didn't know about the ten minute requirement. Thanks. Most of my cars
have to be put on the dyno which takes far longer for the same price (most
of the time).

> The smog check places have to have a dynomometer to be certified by the
> state but they are rarely used anymore since OBD-II has been around
> since 1996. Model year 1975 and older don't require a smog check.

The problem is that a _lot_ of the places I went to last said the dyno
"wasn't working" so that may be a trick that they pull to minimize its use.

I find it interesting that they essentially charge the same amount for an
OBD check as for when they run it on the dyno and sniff the tailpipe.

California has a way of creating entirely new industries that essentially
do nothing whatsoever useful, in that some states, at least in the past,
did a _real_ safety check along with the smog check, for free!

They even put every car over 90K miles on a lift to check the steering.
And they even _drove_ every car to check the brakes on a huge manometer.

All for free.
Dunno if they still do that though, as those were in my college days.
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 by: Xeno - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:22 UTC

On 4/5/2022 5:49 am, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>
>>> Hmmmm.... Are you sure? They make a difference in _steering_ of course.
>>> But how does a low-profile tire help in "highway performance" overall?
>>
>> Less sidewall flex therefore more directional steering.
>
> Thanks for answering this question, where, um, er, that's what I said.
> Didn't I? (Anyway, I agree that the steering is the main beneficiary.)
>
>> IOW, they reduce the slip angles.
>
> I would call it "quicker steering" in that the time between twisting the
> steering wheel & the time that force makes it to the pavement, is reduced.

The quicker steering is a direct *result* of the tighter slip angles.
What it also does is reduce steering feel so, once tyres are close to
the limit, shit happens real quick.
>
>> Given the tyres perform 10% or more of the springing function, lower
>> profile tyres will ride more harshly than the standard profile tyre.
>
> Yup. That's why I was saying it's ridiculous to put low profile tires on a
> light truck or SUV because the rest of the design is completely different.
>
> Particularly the suspension.
>
>> Disregarding pick up trucks, most SUVs never see even a *gravel road*
>> much less go off-road.
>
> Agreed. Many never make it onto an upaved shoulder of a road!
>
>>> What else does a low-profile do fundamentally than provide quicker
>>> steering
>>> response?
>>
>> Looks cool - so they say.
>
> Yup. Posers will pose. It's cheaper to look fast than it is to be fast.
>
> To me, the look of a low profile tired SUV or Light Truck is ridiculous
> only because it doesn't make any engineering sense to do something like
> that.
>
> It's like putting dual exhausts and racing stripes on a Ford Pinto.

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:26 UTC

On 4/5/2022 4:46 am, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/3/2022 1:52, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>
>>>>> Larger wheels on high performance vehicles allow for larger brakes,
>>>>> and
>>>>> while larger brakes won't actually stop you any quicker for a single
>>>>> stop, their greater heat capacity will mean they fade less when doing
>>>>> multiple stops/slowings.
>>>>
>>>> Eh, I don't know, I guess I'm biased.� I drive old beaters; most of
>>>> my cars are pre-1990.
>>>
>>> I haven't had a pre-1990 car since 1995. Now I don't even want a pre
>>> 2020 car.
>
> Funny, I get annoyed with post 2000 cars.  I'm quite irritated with my
> 2005 Hyundai Elantra.  I don't like the hydraulic clutch, power windows,
> larger A-pillars, etc, etc.  I enjoy driving the '89 Olds wagon.  Can't
> wait to fix my '75 Dodge Dart.  It needs a leaf spring replaced (Lord
> knows how that broke), then it's back on the road.

Leaf springs commonly break. It is one of the things I remember doing a
lot of when most cars had semi-eliptical leaf springs back in the day.
Used to replace a lot of broken coils springs too.
>
>> One disadvantage of the older cars in California is they have to do the
>> smog test on a dyno, which, one by one, are dropping out of the market.
>>
>> In California, newer cars get a smog check by the OBDII sensor instead.
>
> I live in Ohio, in a county with no emissions.  No car inspections
> either; I love it!

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:29 UTC

On 4/5/2022 6:52 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-05-03 1:14 p.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>>> I've owned several.  I currently have 5 Geo Metros.  Some models had
>>> the 12" rim tires; others had 13".  It's getting hard to find new 12"
>>> rim tires.  My former '95 Toyota Tercel had 13's also.  All of my
>>> larger vehicles take 15's now.
>>
>> In my experience with 14 inch tires,
>
> You mean 14" rims...

No, he means 14" tyres which happen to fit 14" rims. Good, huh?

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:30 UTC

On 4/5/2022 1:16 am, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-05-03 1:38 a.m., Xeno wrote:
>> On 3/5/2022 5:34 pm, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-02 10:33 p.m., Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 3/5/2022 2:27 am, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-05-02 7:34 a.m., Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/29/2022 9:48, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you say a "static" balancer, do you mean a bubble balancer?
>>>>>>>> I've
>>>>>>>> seen some used shop equipment come up for sale on FB Marketplace
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> Craigslist before, still usually out of my preferred price range
>>>>>>>> (cheap).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem that anyone who has never worked on cars has with the
>>>>>>> term
>>>>>>> "dynamic balancing" is they fall prey to the fear-based marketing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harbor Freight also sells a crappy bead breaker tool, which isn't
>>>>>>> designed
>>>>>>> for larger tires, but which works for those bigger SUV tires if
>>>>>>> you put a
>>>>>>> wooden board on it to "extend" its base as you step on the board
>>>>>>> to keep
>>>>>>> the bead breaker from tipping backward on those larger diameter
>>>>>>> tires.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is a tire larger than 18 inches ever necessary for a
>>>>>> non-commercial vehicle?  I don't think I've ever had a vehicle
>>>>>> (I've owned well over 30 vehicles) with a larger than 15 inch
>>>>>> diameter tire.  That includes my F-150 and C10 trucks.  My '97
>>>>>> Chrysler LHS *might* have had 16" tires, at the largest.  I hate
>>>>>> needlessly large modern trucks and SUV's.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean a 15" diameter WHEEL, don't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm kind of with you about needlessly large trucks, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> My brother and I at one time each owned a RAM 1500, but mine was a
>>>>> 1998, while his was a 2017 or 2018.
>>>>>
>>>>> The difference in size was startling.
>>>>>
>>>>> But larger wheels do have their place.
>>>>>
>>>>> Larger wheels on high performance vehicles allow for larger brakes,
>>>>> and while larger brakes won't actually stop you any quicker for a
>>>>> single stop, their greater heat capacity will mean they fade less
>>>>> when doing multiple stops/slowings.
>>>>
>>>> Larger wheels with an overall larger diameter also negotiate
>>>> potholed roads better than smaller diameter wheels. As a person who
>>>> owned the original Minis with 10 inch wheels, I speak from
>>>> experience.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> But that's not what we were talking about.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> You weren't, I was. And did.
>>
>
> No. The discussion wasn't about that.

I repeat, you weren't, I was. And did.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:42 UTC

Xeno wrote:

>> I would call it "quicker steering" in that the time between twisting the
>> steering wheel & the time that force makes it to the pavement, is reduced.
>
> The quicker steering is a direct *result* of the tighter slip angles.

I realize you're using industry terminology and I'm not, so I appreciate
that you clarified what you had meant by the "tighter slip angle".
<https://www.formula1-dictionary.net/slip_angle.html>
"Slip angle is the angle between a rolling wheel's actual direction
of travel and the direction towards which it is pointing."

> What it also does is reduce steering feel so, once tyres are close to
> the limit, shit happens real quick.

I like that this guy eliminates the other three tires when explaining it.
*Explained: Tire Slip Angle*
<https://youtu.be/rbhkfD1Dxo4>
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Subject: Re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complex
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 by: Xeno - Tue, 3 May 2022 21:44 UTC

On 4/5/2022 5:43 am, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>
>> You weren't, I was. And did.
>
> The only thing Alan Baker posts for on Usenet is to argue about nothing.
>
> But I _do_ want to know two things, if you know more about them, since you
> have far more experience in handling than I do (and I respect that).
>
> I was taught, long ago, that the lower profile was for quicker handling,
> and we all know why that would be the case (all other things being equal).
>
> Is there any other main performance benefit of the lower profile tires?

Ability to fit larger brake discs and calipers is one. Better fuel
efficiency is another.

That's countered by the rough ride, faster tyre wear and increased
potential for tyre and rim damage.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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