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Re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so complex to add Covid-19 Vaccination Cards to the Apple Wallet?!)

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From: g.kr...@kreme.dont-email.me (Lewis)
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android,rec.autos.tech,misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject: Re: "Google Wallet may be making a return" (and "Why is it so
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 by: Lewis - Fri, 6 May 2022 15:01 UTC

In message <t51vj8$hdv$1@dont-email.me> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> Why is you just assume that any number you don't agree with must be some
> form of propaganda?

Because he lies constantly and makes up numbers constantly, so he
assumes that everyone is just as shitty and dishonest and amoral as
s/he/it is.

Please, every time you're going to reply to him imagine that little
chubby he gets and think again. Do you really want to be responsible for
the only sexual stimulation that obese naked troglodyte gets in his
life? Please, think of that image first.

--
I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:15 UTC

Lewis wrote:

> Because he lies constantly and makes up numbers constantly, so he
> assumes that everyone is just as shitty and dishonest and amoral as
> s/he/it is.

It's telling that my goal on the Apple newsgroups is to tell the facts,
which, not surprisingly, the trolls like Alan & Lewis call "lies".

Why?
I know why.

Fun fact. Why is it that all the iKooks _hate_ any facts about Apple?

> Please, every time you're going to reply to him imagine that little
> chubby he gets and think again. Do you really want to be responsible for
> the only sexual stimulation that obese naked troglodyte gets in his
> life? Please, think of that image first.

Fun fact:
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 6 May 2022 19:18 UTC

Ken Olson wrote:

>> And that's just at least once off road, I presume (although that's how
>> marketing skews statistics 'cuz they don't even say how many times).
>
> My truck has the dents to prove it has been off-road.

I used to go "baja" with a 2WD chevy pickup so I don't disagree; but, most
people who spend upwards of $80K for their brand new SUV perhaps don't.

To be clear, I'll accept any facts but the only one who provided facts was
me on the percentage of people who go off road with their expensive SUVs.

The rest guessed, and since they only guessed, they deprecated the facts.
I'll change my mind on a dime if new facts arise, but they don't have them.

So we're stuck with the facts I unearthed, at around %10 to %20 at best.
--
The problem with being an intelligent person on an Apple newsgroup is
you're the only one that can comprehend facts - the rest hate all facts.

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On 05/06/2022 12:18 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Ken Olson wrote:
>
>>> And that's just at least once off road, I presume (although that's how
>>> marketing skews statistics 'cuz they don't even say how many times).
>>
>> My truck has the dents to prove it has been off-road.
>
> I used to go "baja" with a 2WD chevy pickup so I don't disagree; but, most
> people who spend upwards of $80K for their brand new SUV perhaps don't.
>
> To be clear, I'll accept any facts but the only one who provided facts was
> me on the percentage of people who go off road with their expensive SUVs.

Anyone who is serious about off-roading should buy a motorcycle.
Period. We drove a rented Yaris around the floor of Monument Valley,
but it wasn't pleasant -- much better ~50 years earlier on dirtbikes!

Carry on.

> The rest guessed, and since they only guessed, they deprecated the facts.
> I'll change my mind on a dime if new facts arise, but they don't have them.
>
> So we're stuck with the facts I unearthed, at around %10 to %20 at best.

--
Cheers, Bev
That's my opinion. Ought to be yours.

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> My truck has the dents to prove it has been off-road.

What "Andy Burnelli" doesn't understand is the difference between an
off-road capable SUV, and what are commonly referred to as MTVs (Mall
Terrain Vehicles).

MTVs are built on a car chassis, not a truck chassis. They don't have
high clearance. Often they are AWD not 4WD and that's a difference that
many drivers don't understand until they're stuck in the snow! An MTV is
unlikely to have an LSD (Limited Slip Differential) or the option for a
locking differential so the wheels with no traction will spin while the
wheels that have traction get no power at all.

If you want to talk percentages, you have to only include the drivers
that have actually spent the money for an off-road capable vehicle. A
good starting point is to look at the vehicles listed here:
<https://www.motorbiscuit.com/which-new-trucks-and-suvs-come-with-locking-differentials/>.
A Honda Pilot or a Subaru Outback or a Toyota Highlander, is not an
off-road vehicle whether or not it is AWD.

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On 5/4/2022 3:39, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>> Tempting for the dirt floor side; I'll have to consider that.
>
> Assuming safety concerns are met (it has to be built well), it's one way to
> get around the height restriction you mentioned.

That, or in a few years when the original roofing shingles need to be
replaced, part could be extended higher for a lift (depending on the
cost of lumber).

> The theory is explained in the articles I previously cited on the topic.
> HINT: R-> R-> R-> R (rim -> red -> radial -> runout)
>
> Here's the _simplest_ practical flow-chart I can find for you:
> *How to balance a tire properly: use the yellow and red dots*
> <https://www.rtsauto.com/how-to-balance-a-tire-properly-use-the-yellow-and-red-dots/>

Many thanks!

>> I rarely wear out brakes, even cheep steel fiber pads, because I'm
>> just light on them. I'm used to a spongey petal and some-what
>> unreliable brakes.
>
> That's not the brake pads most likely - but the fluid, or leaks.

Typically; or a failing master cylinder, or a bad wheel cylinder, etc.

> The way I buy brake pads is by the spec. If the vehicle manufacturer
> specifies FF pads, I don't buy less than that.
>
> Many inexpensive pads nowadays are FF, GG, and even HH.

I'll keep an eye out for that next time ordering on Rock Auto.

> Most people don't know what I'm about to tell you...
> What happens (based on most theories I've seen) is there's a chemical
> reaction that occurs when you brake where if you _hold_ down the pedal
> _after_ stopping, then a tiny bit of pad is deposited (as a footprint) onto
> the hot rotor.

Interesting to know. That's hard to avoid when driving an automatic,
but I instinctively pop a manual into neutral and let off the brake
unless I'm sitting on a hill.

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On 5/4/2022 4:30, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>> Actually, that's a pretty regular thing for me. I've still got the '89
>> Olds up on jacks because the lower ball joints both need done.
>
> Luckily, ball joints don't need much by way of tools, other than a pickle
> fork and a good mallet (and maybe an old-time grease gun for older cars).

Ball joints just came in. The project will commence when the weather is
better.

>> Those little buggers aren't cheap. I did the outer tie rod ends when I
>> bought it a couple of years ago (I don't keep many cars this long),
>> but the inner ends are also shot.
>
> Tie rod ends also aren't too bad - just be sure to mark things first.
> The idler arm and pitman arm may require a gear puller though.

Isn't there a special tool for inner tie rod ends? The last time that I
had to have those done, I took it to a shop (that does work cheap for
me). Of course, not as cheap as one could do at home.

>> One of the Geo Metros is also parked for _really_ bad ball joints and
>> tie rod ends. Of course, I'm a special case, since some of my cars
>> have north of 300K miles. There's a good chance that no one else has
>> replaced these parts before. When the steering gets sketchy, it's not
>> worth it to me to push my luck.
>
> The problem with doing that "stuff" is the alignment needs to be done.
>
> At your young age, all the home alignment tools are well worth buying.
> a. You need a wheel jig and camber gauge
> b. It's helpful to have wheel plates (greased linoleum works)
> c. It's nice to have toe plates too
>
> Always remember you adjust in _this_ order:
> Caster -> Camber -> Toe

I've done outer tie rod ends at home a few times, counted the turns, and
counted when turning new ones on. Typically, I head to a shop afterward
that does an alignment for $50. I'll have to look into that for my garage.

> I have a kit still, with a timing light, dwell meter, flat feeler gauges
> (for cams), wire gauges (for plugs), vacuum gauge, hose plugs, hose clamps,
> spark plug timing dial gauge, etc.
> Haven't opened it in years.
> When you have an older motorcycle (which I had at your age), you learn how
> to set timing by the dial gauge you screw into the spark plug hole
> (measuring mm BTDC) and the buzzer you set up across the points.

I don't do motorcycles (no interest in riding them), but I need most of
the tools that you have listed above. Is your kit for sale? ;)

> The spec on that tire is usually a dozen parts, price always being last:
> 1. 235 mm wide
> 2. 75% as tall as it is wide (i.e., 176.25 mm tall)
> 3. Radial
> 4. 15 inch
> 5. Load index 105 (*wow* 2,039 pounds per tire!!!!!!!)
> 6. Speed S (112mph)
> 7. Traction: B, 8. Treadwear: 320, 9. Temperature: B
> 10. Tread pattern (e.g., M&S)
> 11. Age (within six years)
> 12. Price... (price is last but still important - see below)
>
> Personally I strive for an A (or AA) in traction, where the rest I just try
> to match or exceed OEM specs. A treadwear of 320 isn't all that good BTW.

I take it that you have to get a feel for looking at the specs before
digging into it. Thanks for the list.

> Oh. You haul heavy metal? Well then, the load index does matter then, as
> two thousand pounds per tire is double what many tires normally handle.

Yes, that's usually an important factor for me. I've hauled over a ton
of scrap in the bed of my truck before. It's not something I do often
anymore, but when I have a truck, I really use a truck; so that has to
be an option.

> You're paying for stiff sidewalls, but one thing you need to keep in mind
> that if you're comparing a 235/75 with a 215/75, given they have the same
> aspect ratio, the 235 mm wide tire will sit 15 mm taller than will the 215
> mm wide tire, which will affect your ride, particularly on bumpy roads and
> with a load.

That's a consideration in a car, but for me, less of a concern in a
truck. I expect a truck to ride more rough. It's a backup vehicle for
me, or to haul stuff.

> Of the half dozen things all people should do at home, a major engine
> overhaul is one of those I haven't done yet.
>
> 1. Minor repairs (e.g., cooling system overhaul)
> 2. Alignment (caster, camber, toe)
> 3. Transmission (e.g., replace clutch)
> 4. Painting (e.g., change color)
> 5. Mounting & balancing wheels/tires
> 6. Major engine overhaul

Since I have the truck, rather than letting it rot, I think it's a
project for this summer. I don't have much to loose; the old beater is
for scrap if I don't fix it. I have a Felpro head gasket and new head
bolts that I bought a year ago. A straight 6 is a pretty simple engine.
I just need to rope my friend into doing it (and debate if I want to
tow it several blocks up hill to the new garage first).

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On 5/5/2022 18:47, Lewis wrote:
> In message<t4u99g$dso$1@dont-email.me> Alan<nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-05-04 4:47 a.m., Lewis wrote:
>>>
>>> MOST vehicle *never* travel on gravel roads
>>>
>> I beg to differ.
>>
>> I live a very urban life in my BMW...
>> ...and yet I still occasionally encounter gravel roads.
>
> that's nice for you, it is still not the usual. And a whole lot of
> people will simply NOT drive on gravel or dirt roads at all.
>
> Again, just because one person does something, it does not make it
> usual.

I don't see how anyone could entirely avoid gravel roads. A friend
might have a gravel drive way to pull into; if nothing else. I drive
urban and rural, and many side streets that sometimes have to be used if
a road is blocked, are at least partially gravel roads.

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 by: Xeno - Sat, 7 May 2022 04:48 UTC

On 7/5/2022 1:50 pm, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/5/2022 18:47, Lewis wrote:
>> In message<t4u99g$dso$1@dont-email.me>  Alan<nuh-uh@nope.com>  wrote:
>>> On 2022-05-04 4:47 a.m., Lewis wrote:
>>>>
>>>> MOST vehicle *never* travel on gravel roads
>>>>
>>> I beg to differ.
>>>
>>> I live a very urban life in my BMW...
>>> ...and yet I still occasionally encounter gravel roads.
>>
>> that's nice for you, it is still not the usual. And a whole lot of
>> people will simply NOT drive on gravel or dirt roads at all.
>>
>> Again, just because one person does something, it does not make it
>> usual.
>
> I don't see how anyone could entirely avoid gravel roads.  A friend
> might have a gravel drive way to pull into; if nothing else.  I drive
> urban and rural, and many side streets that sometimes have to be used if
> a road is blocked, are at least partially gravel roads.

You must live in a distinctly rural area. Where I live (country city) I
need never see a gravel road I am forced to negotiate.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sat, 7 May 2022 05:22 UTC

Michael Trew wrote:

> Ball joints just came in. The project will commence when the weather is
> better.

Good luck. As I recall, removal is the hard part. That's why the pickle
fork is used. You put it horizontally to the connection and bang away until
it just pops free. In _my_ experience, it pops after just a few bangs.

Much like a U-Joint pops out of a driveshaft after only a few hits.

> Isn't there a special tool for inner tie rod ends? The last time that I
> had to have those done, I took it to a shop (that does work cheap for
> me). Of course, not as cheap as one could do at home.

As I recall the _only_ difference in the tool is the pickle fork is
smaller. But I haven't done it in years. Luckily, as with ball joints, the
removal is the hard part where you're at least not worried about damaging
them.

When putting them back together, you just screw them in but there the issue
is to match the steering wheel. You spend more time on the steering wheel
than anything else when dealing with tie rod ends.

You want to notice the center position of the steering wheel first.
Then you want to lock it into place (they sell a tool for that).

When you put things back, you want the steering wheel to be in the same
position when driving straight. Otherwise you'll be driven nuts.

>> Always remember you adjust in _this_ order:
>> Caster -> Camber -> Toe
>
> I've done outer tie rod ends at home a few times, counted the turns, and
> counted when turning new ones on. Typically, I head to a shop afterward
> that does an alignment for $50. I'll have to look into that for my garage.

The only thing tie rods affect, as I recall, is toe, which is easy to do at
home. It's camber and caster that are harder to do at home without special
tools. But toe can be done easily at home to the desired specifications.

At your age, and with the number of cars you buy, you would benefit greatly
from doing your own caster, camber and toe. If a car has been in an
accident, then you need the four wheel alignment but if all you're doing is
setting it up, then you do it in this order. Caster -> Camber -> Toe.

Caster is a function of camber though, so all you need to measure is
camber. Toe is simply a linear measurement so it's the easiest to measure.

>> I have a kit still, with a timing light, dwell meter, flat feeler gauges
>> (for cams), wire gauges (for plugs), vacuum gauge, hose plugs, hose clamps,
>> spark plug timing dial gauge, etc.
>> Haven't opened it in years.
>> When you have an older motorcycle (which I had at your age), you learn how
>> to set timing by the dial gauge you screw into the spark plug hole
>> (measuring mm BTDC) and the buzzer you set up across the points.
>
> I don't do motorcycles (no interest in riding them), but I need most of
> the tools that you have listed above. Is your kit for sale? ;)

I've never sold anything in my life, least of all my tools.
They're for my kids (or grandkids) to use if they ever need them.
They'll probably be sold then though. :)

>> Personally I strive for an A (or AA) in traction, where the rest I just try
>> to match or exceed OEM specs. A treadwear of 320 isn't all that good BTW.
>
> I take it that you have to get a feel for looking at the specs before
> digging into it. Thanks for the list.

Basically a tire is a commodity, despite marketing wanting you to think
it's not. Also you can't get a bad (aka unsafe) tire in the USA. Now I know
there are plenty of people who can bring up "Firestone" stuff, but I'm
talking in general.

What you do is start with the OEM spec and then you buy a tire that meets
or exceeds those OEM specs. The ones that matter, of course, are fitment,
and then load range and then speed rating. The rest are less important.

My main point is price is meaningless.
If anyone ever tells you "you get what you pay for", then just walk away
and don't tell that person that they're an idiot because they're already
too stupid to get it.

Most people do NOT know how to buy stuff.
Yet everyone wants a "good/better/best" number line.

Fun fact: Marketing people have figured that out already.

So they always give you a good/better/best L/XL/GXL number line of
bullshit. Usually the L has basic markings, the XL slightly better, but the
GXL... oh that GXL... it has GOLD plated markings. Surely it's better.

The bullshit good/better/best number line for batteries and tires most
often handed to people is the treadwear warranty - which is purely
meaningless bullshit for a huge number of reasons I won't delve into.

Anyone who buys anything by warranty is a fool.
Let's leave it at that.

The point is you buy by the specs.
The _last_ spec you look at, is the price.

>> Oh. You haul heavy metal? Well then, the load index does matter then, as
>> two thousand pounds per tire is double what many tires normally handle.
>
> Yes, that's usually an important factor for me. I've hauled over a ton
> of scrap in the bed of my truck before. It's not something I do often
> anymore, but when I have a truck, I really use a truck; so that has to
> be an option.

Well, the nice thing about a well-built tire is that it wears more safely
over time, in that the sidewalls are really sturdy and can handle abuse.

As I said, you never buy a tire with a lower load index than the OEM tire.

>> You're paying for stiff sidewalls, but one thing you need to keep in mind
>> that if you're comparing a 235/75 with a 215/75, given they have the same
>> aspect ratio, the 235 mm wide tire will sit 15 mm taller than will the 215
>> mm wide tire, which will affect your ride, particularly on bumpy roads and
>> with a load.
>
> That's a consideration in a car, but for me, less of a concern in a
> truck. I expect a truck to ride more rough. It's a backup vehicle for
> me, or to haul stuff.

I understand. A lot of people think you can just change the aspect ratio,
and you can, but it affects other things as it's always a tradeoff.

Even just changing the width of the tread affects other handling factors.

>> Of the half dozen things all people should do at home, a major engine
>> overhaul is one of those I haven't done yet.
>>
>> 1. Minor repairs (e.g., cooling system overhaul)
>> 2. Alignment (caster, camber, toe)
>> 3. Transmission (e.g., replace clutch)
>> 4. Painting (e.g., change color)
>> 5. Mounting & balancing wheels/tires
>> 6. Major engine overhaul
>
> Since I have the truck, rather than letting it rot, I think it's a
> project for this summer. I don't have much to loose; the old beater is
> for scrap if I don't fix it. I have a Felpro head gasket and new head
> bolts that I bought a year ago. A straight 6 is a pretty simple engine.
> I just need to rope my friend into doing it (and debate if I want to
> tow it several blocks up hill to the new garage first).

Good luck. A major engine overhaul is the only one of the half dozen major
tasks every man should do on a car before he dies that I listed above.

I hope you get a chance to do them all where the fact you're young means
you can leverage all that learning to the future more so than I will be
able to do as I'm in my waning years and you're just starting out.
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On 5/7/2022 0:48, Xeno wrote:
> On 7/5/2022 1:50 pm, Michael Trew wrote:
>>
>> I don't see how anyone could entirely avoid gravel roads. A friend
>> might have a gravel drive way to pull into; if nothing else. I drive
>> urban and rural, and many side streets that sometimes have to be used
>> if a road is blocked, are at least partially gravel roads.
>
> You must live in a distinctly rural area. Where I live (country city) I
> need never see a gravel road I am forced to negotiate.

I don't work in a rural area, but the commute is rural. Even living in
Pittsburgh, PA, I recall a few roads that weren't fully paved. Of
course, I have no experience with areas like LA.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sat, 7 May 2022 05:38 UTC

Michael Trew wrote:

>> Many inexpensive pads nowadays are FF, GG, and even HH.
>
> I'll keep an eye out for that next time ordering on Rock Auto.

The bad news is that they won't say and the bad news also is that if you
call them up they won't even know what you're talking about - but - the
good news is it's printed on every pad ever sold in the United States.

So when I call for pads, if they're in stock, I ask the guy to go out there
and read me the numbers. It's a long list of numbers but the letters A thru
about H will show up twice (usually the same but not always) for the cold
and hot friction ratings.

I find it amusing when I ask people how they choose brake pads and they
tell me all sorts of bullshit but they don't know this basic spec.

And yet it's the most important spec for a brake pad, it's friction rating.

Fun facts:
1. Marketing has figured out that people are stupid
2. Marketing has figured out that people want a number line
3. So Marketing gives people a (bullshit) number line

What marketing gives them is bullshit good/better/best number lines like
price & wear warranties which have nothing whatsoever to do with the specs
of the pad itself.

Or worse, meaningless good/better/best terms like
a. Non Asbestos pads
b. Metallic pads
c. Ceramic pads

As I said, they can put a spec of anything in there and call it that.
If you don't believe me, call the marketing guys and ask them like I did.

>> Most people don't know what I'm about to tell you...
>> What happens (based on most theories I've seen) is there's a chemical
>> reaction that occurs when you brake where if you _hold_ down the pedal
>> _after_ stopping, then a tiny bit of pad is deposited (as a footprint) onto
>> the hot rotor.
>
> Interesting to know. That's hard to avoid when driving an automatic,
> but I instinctively pop a manual into neutral and let off the brake
> unless I'm sitting on a hill.

Actually whether or not it's an automatic or manual doesn't make much (if
any) of a difference in my experience, although I know exactly what you
mean in that an automatic will creep forward after a stop.

But what you do is compensate for that creep by slowing the car down and
stopping well before you would otherwise do.

Instead of exiting the highway and then jamming on the brakes and HOLDING
them there in that spot (while they're red hot) waiting at the light, you
apply the brakes earlier and slow down more gradually and then you stop the
vehicle well before the light. Then you can slowly creep forward where the
main goal is to NOT keep the pad pressed close to the hot rotor at the
exact last point but to move it along. You can shift the automatic into
neutral if you want (I do that often) but it's not even required if there
is enough of a flat or upward slope to prevent the automatic from creeping.

You can also apply the parking brake, but that has its issues also.

But the main point is to be COGNIZANT that it's your own foot that is
causing what most people think is brake rotor WARP.

Fun fact: What percentage of people actually _measured_ the rotor warp
after vehemently claiming that their rotors warped?

Hint: Zero.
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On 5/7/2022 1:22, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Michael Trew wrote:
>
>> Ball joints just came in. The project will commence when the weather
>> is better.
>
> Good luck. As I recall, removal is the hard part. That's why the pickle
> fork is used. You put it horizontally to the connection and bang away until
> it just pops free. In _my_ experience, it pops after just a few bangs.
> Much like a U-Joint pops out of a driveshaft after only a few hits.

Fortunately, those are already disassembled (at least one side). I've
dealt with more difficult, but these were replaced with too-cheap parts
in the near past, which might be why they came apart easier. I got more
expensive ball joints this time around.

>> Isn't there a special tool for inner tie rod ends? The last time that
>> I had to have those done, I took it to a shop (that does work cheap
>> for me). Of course, not as cheap as one could do at home.
>
> As I recall the _only_ difference in the tool is the pickle fork is
> smaller. But I haven't done it in years. Luckily, as with ball joints, the
> removal is the hard part where you're at least not worried about damaging
> them.

I'll have to take a look in there when I have it jacked up; maybe I can
get those done at the same time.

> When putting them back together, you just screw them in but there the issue
> is to match the steering wheel. You spend more time on the steering wheel
> than anything else when dealing with tie rod ends.
>
> You want to notice the center position of the steering wheel first.
> Then you want to lock it into place (they sell a tool for that).

Most (if not all) cars post 1968 have locking steering wheels when the
key is taken out.

> I've never sold anything in my life, least of all my tools. They're for
> my kids (or grandkids) to use if they ever need them.
> They'll probably be sold then though. :)

I do lots of swap meets, sales, etc. I get almost everything used. Old
tools (especially hand tools) are usually better made than new stuff, in
my opinion -- not to mention far more affordable.

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 by: sms - Sat, 7 May 2022 14:48 UTC

On 5/6/2022 10:34 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 0:48, Xeno wrote:
>> On 7/5/2022 1:50 pm, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't see how anyone could entirely avoid gravel roads.  A friend
>>> might have a gravel drive way to pull into; if nothing else.  I drive
>>> urban and rural, and many side streets that sometimes have to be used
>>> if a road is blocked, are at least partially gravel roads.
>>
>> You must live in a distinctly rural area. Where I live (country city) I
>> need never see a gravel road I am forced to negotiate.
>
> I don't work in a rural area, but the commute is rural.  Even living in
> Pittsburgh, PA, I recall a few roads that weren't fully paved.  Of
> course, I have no experience with areas like LA.

Not sure what country Xeno lives in, but in the U.S. gravel roads are
still quite common, even short stretches in urban areas, especially on
roads not maintained by the city or county. Sometimes the entity that
controls the unpaved road is able to get enough money to pave it, but
often there are reasons to not pave it.

In the U.S., a lot of unpaved roads are in county, state, and national
parks, and are necessary to use to get to the destination.

In some cases an unpaved road is a much shorter route than the paved
alternative, but sometimes the gravel roads are gated and only property
owners along the road are allowed access, even when it's not a private
road. We have one such road near me
<https://alpharoaming.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/img_4459.jpg>, this is
maybe ten minutes away from the heart of Silicon Valley.

Unpaved roads can vary greatly in quality. In most cases, no off-road
vehicle with high clearance is necessary, in some cases it's an absolute
requirement. For example, in Death Valley National Park, in good weather
most vehicles would have no problem on Titus Canyon Road unless they
have abnormally low clearance. But to drive Lippincot Mine Road pretty
much requires 4WD and high clearance <https://youtu.be/M07eLuZbL_M>.

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 by: nospam - Sat, 7 May 2022 14:58 UTC

In article <t560sh$tg0$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> >> You must live in a distinctly rural area. Where I live (country city) I
> >> need never see a gravel road I am forced to negotiate.
> >
> > I don't work in a rural area, but the commute is rural.  Even living in
> > Pittsburgh, PA, I recall a few roads that weren't fully paved.  Of
> > course, I have no experience with areas like LA.
>
> Not sure what country Xeno lives in, but in the U.S. gravel roads are
> still quite common, even short stretches in urban areas, especially on
> roads not maintained by the city or county.

they are not common, especially in urban areas, where it's extremely
rare to find a gravel road.

it would have to be a *very* rural area for it to be 'quite common'.

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 by: AJL - Sat, 7 May 2022 15:24 UTC

> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> in the U.S. gravel roads are still quite common, even short stretches
> in urban areas, especially on roads not maintained by the city or
> county.

Guess it depends on what your definition of COMMON is but there's still
lots of dirt roads in my urban area (my metro area is 5M and my suburb
city is 100K). One of my kids with a 2 acre plot lives on a dirt road
just 5 miles from me. I try to hold my visits until just before I need a
car wash...

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 by: sms - Sat, 7 May 2022 16:43 UTC

On 5/7/2022 8:24 AM, AJL wrote:
>> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> in the U.S. gravel roads are still quite common, even short stretches
>> in urban areas, especially on roads not maintained by the city or
>> county.
>
> Guess it depends on what your definition of COMMON is but there's still
> lots of dirt roads in my urban area (my metro area is 5M and my suburb
> city is 100K). One of my kids with a 2 acre plot lives on a dirt road
> just 5 miles from me. I try to hold my visits until just before I need a
> car wash...

I found this article about dirt roads in San Francisco
<https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/Dirt-roads-San-Francisco-Glen-Park-Ohlone-Poppy-13760209.php>.

I found this part of the article to be amusing "Two skinny streets in
the Sunset District were once paved but the concrete is now crumbling
and dirt exposed."

Since I live in the Bay Area city with the highest PCI, I needed to be
reminded that other cities are not so well maintained when it comes to
roads
<https://mtc.ca.gov/news/bay-area-streets-may-be-steep-pavement-quality-flat>.

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 by: AJL - Sat, 7 May 2022 17:28 UTC

On 5/7/2022 9:43 AM, sms wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 8:24 AM, AJL wrote:

>> there's still lots of dirt roads in my urban area (my metro area is
>> 5M and my suburb city is 100K). One of my kids with a 2 acre plot
>> lives on a dirt road just 5 miles from me. I try to hold my visits
>> until just before I need a car wash...

> I found this article about dirt roads in San Francisco
> <https://www.sfgate.com/local/article/Dirt-roads-San-Francisco-Glen-Park-Ohlone-Poppy-13760209.php>.
>I found this part of the article to be amusing "Two skinny streets
> in the Sunset District were once paved but the concrete is now
> crumbling and dirt exposed." Since I live in the Bay Area city with
> the highest PCI, I needed to be reminded that other cities are not so
> well maintained when it comes to roads
> <https://mtc.ca.gov/news/bay-area-streets-may-be-steep-pavement-quality-flat>.

Most of the dirt roads around me were carved through vacant farmland. In
my kid's case the farmer sold off 2 acre plots serviced by a dirt road
and the buyers built their own dwellings. The road remains private so
there's no city maintenance and the road's occupants never wanted to
divvy up the cash to have it paved or maintained. My SUV actually makes
it worse as I bounce through the holes at 3MPH because of the tight
suspension. I suppose the good part is that they don't have many speeders...

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 by: sms - Sat, 7 May 2022 17:41 UTC

On 5/7/2022 10:28 AM, AJL wrote:

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> Most of the dirt roads around me were carved through vacant farmland. In
> my kid's case the farmer sold off 2 acre plots serviced by a dirt road
> and the buyers built their own dwellings. The road remains private so
> there's no city maintenance and the road's occupants never wanted to
> divvy up the cash to have it paved or maintained. My SUV actually makes
> it worse as I bounce through the holes at 3MPH because of the tight
> suspension. I suppose the good part is that they don't have many
> speeders...

Yes, that's what I've found with my Toyota 4Runner. Gravel/dirt roads
are made worse by the tight suspension. A car-based SUV would not be as
jarring a ride. I started out on this road
<https://www.visitutah.com/places-to-go/parks-outdoors/grand-staircase-escalante/scenic-backways/cottonwood-canyon-road#>
on a trip last year. It was just too rough of a ride in a vehicle with
tight suspension and I turned back after a few miles, much to the relief
of my passengers.

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 by: AJL - Sat, 7 May 2022 20:13 UTC

On 5/7/2022 10:41 AM, sms wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 10:28 AM, AJL wrote:

>> My SUV actually makes dirt roads worse since I bounce through the
>> holes at 3MPH because of the tight suspension.

> Yes, that's what I've found with my Toyota 4Runner. Gravel/dirt roads
> are made worse by the tight suspension. A car-based SUV would not be
> as jarring a ride.

After having investigated an estimated 5000+ traffic accidents in my 25
year career I started buying large SUVs years ago for one main reason:
Protection...

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 by: The Real Bev - Sat, 7 May 2022 23:33 UTC

On 05/07/2022 01:13 PM, AJL wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 10:41 AM, sms wrote:
>> On 5/7/2022 10:28 AM, AJL wrote:
>
>>> My SUV actually makes dirt roads worse since I bounce through the
>>> holes at 3MPH because of the tight suspension.
>
>> Yes, that's what I've found with my Toyota 4Runner. Gravel/dirt roads
>> are made worse by the tight suspension. A car-based SUV would not be
>> as jarring a ride.
>
> After having investigated an estimated 5000+ traffic accidents in my 25
> year career I started buying large SUVs years ago for one main reason:
> Protection...

I figure my 1970 Dodge pickup made of real steel will probably smash
hell out of anything that attacks it, but the lap belt will probably cut
me in half before I'm impaled on the steering wheel. OTOH, my heirs
will still have a drivable vehicle...

--
Cheers, Bev
If you're ever about to be mugged by a couple
of clowns, don't hesitate - go for the juggler.

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On 5/7/2022 1:38, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
> But what you do is compensate for that creep by slowing the car down and
> stopping well before you would otherwise do.
>
> Instead of exiting the highway and then jamming on the brakes and
> HOLDING them there in that spot (while they're red hot) waiting at the
> light, you apply the brakes earlier and slow down more gradually and
> then you stop the vehicle well before the light.

I always brake this way either way. It wigs me out when I ride with
people who slow down quickly. Perhaps because I'm used to old beaters
with less reliable braking systems, but I always take it easy and pulse
the brakes when slowing down.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Sun, 8 May 2022 04:50 UTC

Michael Trew wrote:

>> Instead of exiting the highway and then jamming on the brakes and
>> HOLDING them there in that spot (while they're red hot) waiting at the
>> light, you apply the brakes earlier and slow down more gradually and
>> then you stop the vehicle well before the light.
>
> I always brake this way either way. It wigs me out when I ride with
> people who slow down quickly. Perhaps because I'm used to old beaters
> with less reliable braking systems, but I always take it easy and pulse
> the brakes when slowing down.

Good. Almost nobody knows that the key is to brake harder earlier, rather
than braking harder later, and, most importantly, NOT leaving your foot on
the pedal at the stop.

I've never met a person in my life who was adamant that his rotors warped
who had ever measured the warp they're so very certain happened, that
didn't.

It's one more case of how shockingly stupid most people are.

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Subject: Real information on brakes (was Re: "Google Wallet may be making a
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 by: Alan - Sun, 8 May 2022 04:50 UTC

On 2022-05-06 8:33 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/4/2022 3:39, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Michael Trew wrote:
>>>
>>> Tempting for the dirt floor side; I'll have to consider that.
>>
>> Assuming safety concerns are met (it has to be built well), it's one
>> way to
>> get around the height restriction you mentioned.
>
> That, or in a few years when the original roofing shingles need to be
> replaced, part could be extended higher for a lift (depending on the
> cost of lumber).
>
>> The theory is explained in the articles I previously cited on the topic.
>> HINT: R-> R-> R-> R (rim -> red -> radial -> runout)
>>
>> Here's the _simplest_ practical flow-chart I can find for you:
>> *How to balance a tire properly: use the yellow and red dots*
>> <https://www.rtsauto.com/how-to-balance-a-tire-properly-use-the-yellow-and-red-dots/>
>>
>
> Many thanks!
>
>>> I rarely wear out brakes, even cheep steel fiber pads, because I'm
>>> just light on them. I'm used to a spongey petal and some-what
>>> unreliable brakes.
>>
>> That's not the brake pads most likely - but the fluid, or leaks.
>
> Typically; or a failing master cylinder, or a bad wheel cylinder, etc.
>
>> The way I buy brake pads is by the spec. If the vehicle manufacturer
>> specifies FF pads, I don't buy less than that.
>>
>> Many inexpensive pads nowadays are FF, GG, and even HH.
>
> I'll keep an eye out for that next time ordering on Rock Auto.
>
>> Most people don't know what I'm about to tell you...
>> What happens (based on most theories I've seen) is there's a chemical
>> reaction that occurs when you brake where if you _hold_ down the pedal
>> _after_ stopping, then a tiny bit of pad is deposited (as a footprint)
>> onto
>> the hot rotor.
>
> Interesting to know.  That's hard to avoid when driving an automatic,
> but I instinctively pop a manual into neutral and let off the brake
> unless I'm sitting on a hill.

Interesting but wrong.

Do the math on a single stop from highway speed.

My 2012 BMW 135i MSport Edition weights 4,255lbs, so stopping it from
60mph must dissipate 694,273 Joules.

We'll assume that all the energy of the stop remains in the rotors
themselves, and that BMW has done it's job properly and that therefore
the front and rear brake rotors are proportional in mass to the energy
each must dissipate.

So we can take the total mass of the rotors, the heat capacity of steel
and calculate the change in temperature.

The mass of those rotors is 34.47kg

The specific heat of steel is about 420 joules per kilogram per degree

420J/kg*c

So with 34.47kg, we get 14,477.4 J per degree C temperature change, and
dividing the 694,273 joules we've got, we get a temperature change of...

....just about 48 degree.

If it's a warm summer day, you're not going to want to touch the rotors,
as they will now be above the boiling point of water (about 120°C)...

(Provided you ignore the energy lost to the airflow and also dissipated
by the mass of the pads and calipers themselves, as well was the energy
conducted into the hub of each wheel)...

....but it's hardly going to be enough to deposit brake pad material onto
the disk.

This is why brake bedding procedures call for MULTIPLE retardations from
highway speed in order to get the disks hot enough to deposit an even
layer of pad material onto the surface.

I know this, because in my amateur racing "career", I'm also a senior
racing instructor, and because our students are driving road cars for
sessions where the brakes actually WILL get to the temperatures that can
cause that kind of deposition, we always tell them not to apply the
parking braking when returning to the paddock after a session.

Shocker:

One again, Arlen hasn't the slightest clue what he's talking about.

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 by: Alan - Sun, 8 May 2022 04:52 UTC

On 2022-05-07 7:39 p.m., Michael Trew wrote:
> On 5/7/2022 1:38, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>>
>> But what you do is compensate for that creep by slowing the car down and
>> stopping well before you would otherwise do.
>>
>> Instead of exiting the highway and then jamming on the brakes and
>> HOLDING them there in that spot (while they're red hot) waiting at the
>> light, you apply the brakes earlier and slow down more gradually and
>> then you stop the vehicle well before the light.
>
> I always brake this way either way.  It wigs me out when I ride with
> people who slow down quickly.  Perhaps because I'm used to old beaters
> with less reliable braking systems, but I always take it easy and pulse
> the brakes when slowing down.

Assuming a similar time to stop the vehicle, it makes no difference
whether you stop quickly or slowly; the range of "quick" to "slow" isn't
sufficiently different.

If you start from the same speed, and brake to the same place...

....you're dissipating the same amount of energy.

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