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* VaccinationMario Petrinovic
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`* Re: VaccinationJohn Harshman
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Vaccination

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From: mario.pe...@zg.htnet.hr (Mario Petrinovic)
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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 21:59 UTC

Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when they grow old.
Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, after 150 years of
the research, he has to get it the hard way.
Ah, what can you do.

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Re: Vaccination

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Mon, 30 Aug 2021 22:05 UTC

On 30.8.2021. 23:59, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>         Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when they
> grow old.
>         Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>         He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, after 150
> years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>         Ah, what can you do.

Because, when science vaccinated those babies, it didn't see them in
the future. Smart people think about the future, scientists have no
evidence, so they don't think. Which is *the evidence* that they don't
have brains. Yet, they are the first one who would swear that humans are
intelligent beings, lol.

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Re: Vaccination

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 by: John Harshman - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 01:01 UTC

On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>         Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when they
> grow old.
>         Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>         He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, after 150
> years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>         Ah, what can you do.
>
In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is actively
dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince anyone of it.

Re: Vaccination

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 02:18 UTC

On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when they
>> grow old.
>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, after 150
>> years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>
> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is actively
> dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince anyone of it.

Jesus Christ.

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Re: Vaccination

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 02:34 UTC

On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when they
>>> grow old.
>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, after 150
>>> years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>
>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is actively
>> dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince anyone of it.
>
>         Jesus Christ.

My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your body. Injection
bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you inject something, your
body doesn't have a chance to react to it, you surrendered your body,
flat down.

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 by: John Harshman - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 02:39 UTC

On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when they
>>>> grow old.
>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, after
>>>> 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>
>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is actively
>>> dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince anyone of it.
>>
>>          Jesus Christ.
>
>         My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your body.
> Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you inject
> something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to it, you
> surrendered your body, flat down.
>
I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me.
Fortunately.

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 02:40 UTC

On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when
>>>>> they grow old.
>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, after
>>>>> 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>
>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is actively
>>>> dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince anyone of it.
>>>
>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>
>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your body.
>> Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you inject
>> something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to it, you
>> surrendered your body, flat down.
>>
> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me.
> Fortunately.

Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that is dangerous.

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 by: John Harshman - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 15:00 UTC

On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when
>>>>>> they grow old.
>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, after
>>>>>> 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>
>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is actively
>>>>> dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince anyone of it.
>>>>
>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>
>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your body.
>>> Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you inject
>>> something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to it, you
>>> surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>
>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me.
>> Fortunately.
>
>         Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that is
> dangerous.
>
Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Tue, 31 Aug 2021 16:30 UTC

On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when
>>>>>>> they grow old.
>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution, after
>>>>>>> 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is actively
>>>>>> dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince anyone of it.
>>>>>
>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>
>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your body.
>>>> Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you inject
>>>> something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to it, you
>>>> surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>
>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me.
>>> Fortunately.
>>
>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that is
>> dangerous.
>>
> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.

Well, that's your theory.

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 by: John Harshman - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 01:12 UTC

On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when
>>>>>>>> they grow old.
>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution,
>>>>>>>> after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince anyone
>>>>>>> of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>
>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your body.
>>>>> Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you inject
>>>>> something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to it, you
>>>>> surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>
>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me.
>>>> Fortunately.
>>>
>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that is
>>> dangerous.
>>>
>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.
>
>         Well, that's your theory.
>
Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 06:48 UTC

On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals when
>>>>>>>>> they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution,
>>>>>>>>> after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince
>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your body.
>>>>>> Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you inject
>>>>>> something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to it, you
>>>>>> surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me.
>>>>> Fortunately.
>>>>
>>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that is
>>>> dangerous.
>>>>
>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.
>>
>>          Well, that's your theory.
>>
> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
> anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?

No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I just
mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This is the
purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism.
I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But other than
that, no.

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 by: John Harshman - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 16:56 UTC

On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals
>>>>>>>>>> when they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution,
>>>>>>>>>> after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince
>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
>>>>>>> body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you
>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to it,
>>>>>>> you surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me.
>>>>>> Fortunately.
>>>>>
>>>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that is
>>>>> dangerous.
>>>>>
>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.
>>>
>>>          Well, that's your theory.
>>>
>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
>> anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?
>
>         No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I just
> mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This is the
> purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism.
>         I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But other
> than that, no.
>
Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty nail or
a toothpick?

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 18:07 UTC

On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
> On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
>>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals
>>>>>>>>>>> when they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution,
>>>>>>>>>>> after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince
>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
>>>>>>>> body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you
>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to
>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for me.
>>>>>>> Fortunately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that
>>>>>> is dangerous.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.
>>>>
>>>>          Well, that's your theory.
>>>>
>>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
>>> anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?
>>
>>          No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I just
>> mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This is the
>> purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism.
>>          I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But other
>> than that, no.
>>
> Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty nail or
> a toothpick?

Because this was how we always did this.
You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you are unable
to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't sterile, and
if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well, too bad for you.

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 by: John Harshman - Wed, 1 Sep 2021 20:56 UTC

On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
>>>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals
>>>>>>>>>>>> when they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution,
>>>>>>>>>>>> after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
>>>>>>>>> body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you
>>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to
>>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for
>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that
>>>>>>> is dangerous.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.
>>>>>
>>>>>          Well, that's your theory.
>>>>>
>>>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
>>>> anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?
>>>
>>>          No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
>>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This
>>> is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism.
>>>          I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
>>> other than that, no.
>>>
>> Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty nail
>> or a toothpick?
>
>         Because this was how we always did this.
>         You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you are
> unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
> sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well, too
> bad for you.
>
That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I refrain
from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that direction.

I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce antigens
into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't
weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune system or
encourage weakness. Just the opposite.

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 03:47 UTC

On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
> On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>> On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
>>>>>>>>>> body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you
>>>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to
>>>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for
>>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that
>>>>>>>> is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          Well, that's your theory.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
>>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
>>>>> anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?
>>>>
>>>>          No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
>>>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This
>>>> is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism.
>>>>          I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
>>>> other than that, no.
>>>>
>>> Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty nail
>>> or a toothpick?
>>
>>          Because this was how we always did this.
>>          You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you are
>> unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
>> sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well,
>> too bad for you.
>>
> That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
> refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I refrain
> from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that direction.
>
> I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce antigens
> into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't
> weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
> those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune system or
> encourage weakness. Just the opposite.

The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't include sterile
equipment.
So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with sterile
equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To do the
second, you just...
In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is efficient, he
wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest leave for my
body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and equipment, to do
*the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second way, I have to be
efficient to survive.
The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except India. Why?
And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent. Vaccination
introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just like" the real
things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to train and be strong.
Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't enough. It *has to be* a
live opponent.
I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with Covid-19 is
in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing bags, not to
the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and survived,
has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated. I mean,
there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the reason. Scientists
behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven, it doesn't happen. They
behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old.
This isn't a game.

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 04:01 UTC

On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>> On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
>>>>>>>>>>> body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you
>>>>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to
>>>>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for
>>>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
>>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          Well, that's your theory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
>>>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
>>>>>> anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?
>>>>>
>>>>>          No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
>>>>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This
>>>>> is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
>>>>> mechanism.
>>>>>          I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
>>>>> other than that, no.
>>>>>
>>>> Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
>>>> nail or a toothpick?
>>>
>>>          Because this was how we always did this.
>>>          You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
>>> are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
>>> sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well,
>>> too bad for you.
>>>
>> That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
>> refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
>> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
>> refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that
>> direction.
>>
>> I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
>> antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
>> They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the
>> same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your
>> immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
>
>         The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't include
> sterile equipment.
>         So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
> sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To do
> the second, you just...
>         In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
> efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest
> leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
> equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second way,
> I have to be efficient to survive.
>         The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
> India. Why?
>         And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
> Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just like"
> the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to train and be
> strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't enough. It *has to
> be* a live opponent.
>         I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
> Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
> bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
>         They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
> survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated. I
> mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the reason.
> Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven, it doesn't
> happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old.
>         This isn't a game.

I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the system that
gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us died using
this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and strong immune
system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7 times weaker
immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we stopped to all
survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care system simply
collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening around you? People
walk around with muzzles on their months. You say, we can do it. I say,
go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a dignified animal should
live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I don't look very much like it,
with this muzzle on my mouth.
What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you can. Will
we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can? Because you
say that you have a better system than the Nature already evolved. So,
why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on your mouth?

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 04:15 UTC

On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>> On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>> On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
>>>>>>>>>>>> body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when
>>>>>>>>>>>> you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to
>>>>>>>>>>>> react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for
>>>>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
>>>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you
>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          Well, that's your theory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
>>>>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
>>>>>>> anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
>>>>>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body.
>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
>>>>>> mechanism.
>>>>>>          I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
>>>>>> other than that, no.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
>>>>
>>>>          Because this was how we always did this.
>>>>          You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
>>>> are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
>>>> sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well,
>>>> too bad for you.
>>>>
>>> That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
>>> refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
>>> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
>>> refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that
>>> direction.
>>>
>>> I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
>>> antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
>>> They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
>>> the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your
>>> immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
>>
>>          The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
>> include sterile equipment.
>>          So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
>> sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To do
>> the second, you just...
>>          In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
>> efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest
>> leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
>> equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second
>> way, I have to be efficient to survive.
>>          The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
>> India. Why?
>>          And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
>> Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just like"
>> the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to train and
>> be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't enough. It *has
>> to be* a live opponent.
>>          I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
>> Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
>> bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
>>          They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
>> survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was vaccinated.
>> I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the reason.
>> Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven, it doesn't
>> happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old.
>>          This isn't a game.
>
>         I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the system
> that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us died
> using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and strong
> immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7 times
> weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we stopped
> to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care system
> simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening around you?
> People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say, we can do it.
> I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a dignified animal
> should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I don't look very much
> like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
>         What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
> can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
> Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
> evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on
> your mouth?

So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment. And yes,
it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that way. But,
this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for sure, *we* will
survive, the society will survive, the strongest *will* survive, for sure.
So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think what
this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean for him,
he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those people, if
it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful young idiots.


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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 04:20 UTC

On 2.9.2021. 6:15, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>> On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have
>>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
>>>>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you
>>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          Well, that's your theory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
>>>>>>>> different justification from your previous one. Do you object to
>>>>>>>> dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one
>>>>>>>> for polio?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
>>>>>>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body.
>>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
>>>>>>> mechanism.
>>>>>>>          I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
>>>>>>> other than that, no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
>>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
>>>>>
>>>>>          Because this was how we always did this.
>>>>>          You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
>>>>> are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
>>>>> isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is,
>>>>> well, too bad for you.
>>>>>
>>>> That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
>>>> refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
>>>> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
>>>> refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
>>>> that direction.
>>>>
>>>> I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
>>>> antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
>>>> They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
>>>> the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your
>>>> immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
>>>
>>>          The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
>>> include sterile equipment.
>>>          So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
>>> sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To
>>> do the second, you just...
>>>          In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
>>> efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest
>>> leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
>>> equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second
>>> way, I have to be efficient to survive.
>>>          The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
>>> India. Why?
>>>          And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
>>> Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
>>> like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
>>> train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
>>> enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
>>>          I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
>>> Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
>>> bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
>>>          They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
>>> survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
>>> vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the
>>> reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven,
>>> it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old.
>>>          This isn't a game.
>>
>>          I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
>> system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us
>> died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and
>> strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7
>> times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we
>> stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care
>> system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
>> around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
>> we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
>> dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
>> don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
>>          What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
>> can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
>> Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
>> evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on
>> your mouth?
>
>         So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment.
> And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
> way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for sure,
> *we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest *will*
> survive, for sure.
>         So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
> equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think what
> this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean for him,
> he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those people, if
> it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful young idiots.


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 by: John Harshman - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 04:20 UTC

On 9/1/21 9:15 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>> On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have
>>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
>>>>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you
>>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          Well, that's your theory.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
>>>>>>>> different justification from your previous one. Do you object to
>>>>>>>> dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one
>>>>>>>> for polio?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
>>>>>>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body.
>>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
>>>>>>> mechanism.
>>>>>>>          I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
>>>>>>> other than that, no.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
>>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
>>>>>
>>>>>          Because this was how we always did this.
>>>>>          You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
>>>>> are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
>>>>> isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is,
>>>>> well, too bad for you.
>>>>>
>>>> That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
>>>> refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
>>>> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
>>>> refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
>>>> that direction.
>>>>
>>>> I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
>>>> antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
>>>> They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
>>>> the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your
>>>> immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
>>>
>>>          The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
>>> include sterile equipment.
>>>          So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
>>> sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To
>>> do the second, you just...
>>>          In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
>>> efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest
>>> leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
>>> equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second
>>> way, I have to be efficient to survive.
>>>          The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
>>> India. Why?
>>>          And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
>>> Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
>>> like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
>>> train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
>>> enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
>>>          I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
>>> Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
>>> bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
>>>          They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
>>> survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
>>> vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the
>>> reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven,
>>> it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old.
>>>          This isn't a game.
>>
>>          I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
>> system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us
>> died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and
>> strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7
>> times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we
>> stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care
>> system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
>> around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
>> we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
>> dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
>> don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
>>          What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
>> can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
>> Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
>> evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on
>> your mouth?
>
>         So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment.
> And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
> way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for sure,
> *we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest *will*
> survive, for sure.
>         So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
> equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think what
> this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean for him,
> he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those people, if
> it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful young idiots.
>
To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
apologize for poking him. I will stop now.


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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 04:27 UTC

On 2.9.2021. 6:20, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 2.9.2021. 6:15, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>> On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
>>>>>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you
>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          Well, that's your theory.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
>>>>>>>>> different justification from your previous one. Do you object
>>>>>>>>> to dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the
>>>>>>>>> one for polio?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination.
>>>>>>>> I just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body.
>>>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your
>>>>>>>> defense mechanism.
>>>>>>>>          I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
>>>>>>>> other than that, no.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
>>>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          Because this was how we always did this.
>>>>>>          You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
>>>>>> are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
>>>>>> isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it
>>>>>> is, well, too bad for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
>>>>> refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork
>>>>> chop around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet
>>>>> I refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
>>>>> that direction.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
>>>>> antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
>>>>> They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
>>>>> the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken
>>>>> your immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
>>>>
>>>>          The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
>>>> include sterile equipment.
>>>>          So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or
>>>> with sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine
>>>> needle. To do the second, you just...
>>>>          In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
>>>> efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the
>>>> rest leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy,
>>>> and equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the
>>>> second way, I have to be efficient to survive.
>>>>          The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
>>>> India. Why?
>>>>          And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
>>>> Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
>>>> like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
>>>> train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
>>>> enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
>>>>          I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
>>>> Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
>>>> bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
>>>>          They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
>>>> survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
>>>> vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove
>>>> the reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't
>>>> proven, it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6
>>>> years old.
>>>>          This isn't a game.
>>>
>>>          I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
>>> system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of
>>> us died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good
>>> and strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us
>>> 7 times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now
>>> we stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health
>>> care system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
>>> around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
>>> we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
>>> dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
>>> don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
>>>          What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
>>> can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
>>> Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
>>> evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle
>>> on your mouth?
>>
>>          So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment.
>> And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
>> way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for
>> sure, *we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest
>> *will* survive, for sure.
>>          So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
>> equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think
>> what this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean
>> for him, he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those
>> people, if it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful
>> young idiots.
>
>         But, our society, unfortunately, is led by scientists, a type
> of people who never grew up. Instead of growing up, they wasted their
> "growing up" time on their education.


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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 04:28 UTC

On 2.9.2021. 6:20, John Harshman wrote:
> On 9/1/21 9:15 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>> On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
>>>>>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you
>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          Well, that's your theory.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
>>>>>>>>> different justification from your previous one. Do you object
>>>>>>>>> to dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the
>>>>>>>>> one for polio?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination.
>>>>>>>> I just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body.
>>>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your
>>>>>>>> defense mechanism.
>>>>>>>>          I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
>>>>>>>> other than that, no.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
>>>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          Because this was how we always did this.
>>>>>>          You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
>>>>>> are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
>>>>>> isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it
>>>>>> is, well, too bad for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
>>>>> refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork
>>>>> chop around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet
>>>>> I refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
>>>>> that direction.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
>>>>> antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
>>>>> They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
>>>>> the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken
>>>>> your immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
>>>>
>>>>          The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
>>>> include sterile equipment.
>>>>          So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or
>>>> with sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine
>>>> needle. To do the second, you just...
>>>>          In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
>>>> efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the
>>>> rest leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy,
>>>> and equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the
>>>> second way, I have to be efficient to survive.
>>>>          The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
>>>> India. Why?
>>>>          And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
>>>> Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
>>>> like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
>>>> train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
>>>> enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
>>>>          I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
>>>> Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
>>>> bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
>>>>          They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
>>>> survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
>>>> vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove
>>>> the reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't
>>>> proven, it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6
>>>> years old.
>>>>          This isn't a game.
>>>
>>>          I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
>>> system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of
>>> us died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good
>>> and strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us
>>> 7 times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now
>>> we stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health
>>> care system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
>>> around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
>>> we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
>>> dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
>>> don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
>>>          What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
>>> can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
>>> Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
>>> evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle
>>> on your mouth?
>>
>>          So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment.
>> And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
>> way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for
>> sure, *we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest
>> *will* survive, for sure.
>>          So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
>> equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think
>> what this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean
>> for him, he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those
>> people, if it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful
>> young idiots.
>>
> To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
> apologize for poking him. I will stop now.


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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 07:16 UTC

On 2.9.2021. 6:28, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 2.9.2021. 6:20, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 9/1/21 9:15 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chance to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you
>>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          Well, that's your theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
>>>>>>>>>> different justification from your previous one. Do you object
>>>>>>>>>> to dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the
>>>>>>>>>> one for polio?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>          No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination.
>>>>>>>>> I just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your
>>>>>>>>> body. This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your
>>>>>>>>> defense mechanism.
>>>>>>>>>          I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst.
>>>>>>>>> But other than that, no.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
>>>>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>          Because this was how we always did this.
>>>>>>>          You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise
>>>>>>> you are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the
>>>>>>> world isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world
>>>>>>> as it is, well, too bad for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
>>>>>> refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork
>>>>>> chop around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet
>>>>>> I refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
>>>>>> that direction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
>>>>>> antigens into your blood just like those present in live
>>>>>> pathogens. They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it
>>>>>> in exactly the same way those pathogens would. They certainly
>>>>>> don't weaken your immune system or encourage weakness. Just the
>>>>>> opposite.
>>>>>
>>>>>          The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
>>>>> include sterile equipment.
>>>>>          So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or
>>>>> with sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine
>>>>> needle. To do the second, you just...
>>>>>          In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
>>>>> efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the
>>>>> rest leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more
>>>>> energy, and equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do
>>>>> things the second way, I have to be efficient to survive.
>>>>>          The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world,
>>>>> except India. Why?
>>>>>          And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
>>>>> Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
>>>>> like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
>>>>> train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
>>>>> enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
>>>>>          I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
>>>>> Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to
>>>>> boxing bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
>>>>>          They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
>>>>> survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
>>>>> vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove
>>>>> the reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't
>>>>> proven, it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6
>>>>> years old.
>>>>>          This isn't a game.
>>>>
>>>>          I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
>>>> system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of
>>>> us died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good
>>>> and strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave
>>>> us 7 times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And
>>>> now we stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole
>>>> health care system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is
>>>> happening around you? People walk around with muzzles on their
>>>> months. You say, we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die.
>>>> This isn't a life a dignified animal should live. I am a human, for
>>>> god's sake. But, I don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on
>>>> my mouth.
>>>>          What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because
>>>> you can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we
>>>> can? Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature
>>>> already evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this
>>>> muzzle on your mouth?
>>>
>>>          So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile
>>> equipment. And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance
>>> to die that way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*,
>>> because, for sure, *we* will survive, the society will survive, the
>>> strongest *will* survive, for sure.
>>>          So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using
>>> sterile equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't
>>> think what this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will
>>> mean for him, he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone
>>> those people, if it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by
>>> playful young idiots.
>>>
>> To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
>> apologize for poking him. I will stop now.
>
>         Your usual "exit strategy". I've gotten used to it, lol.


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On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 9:21:02 PM UTC-7, John Harshman wrote:
> On 9/1/21 9:15 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> > On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >> On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>> On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>> On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>>> On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He, who didn't manage to understand the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, what can you do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My advice to you, *never* inject anything into
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
> >>>>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you
> >>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Well, that's your theory.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
> >>>>>>>> different justification from your previous one. Do you object to
> >>>>>>>> dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one
> >>>>>>>> for polio?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
> >>>>>>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body.
> >>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
> >>>>>>> mechanism.
> >>>>>>> I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
> >>>>>>> other than that, no.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
> >>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Because this was how we always did this.
> >>>>> You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
> >>>>> are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
> >>>>> isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is,
> >>>>> well, too bad for you.
> >>>>>
> >>>> That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
> >>>> refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
> >>>> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
> >>>> refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
> >>>> that direction.
> >>>>
> >>>> I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
> >>>> antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
> >>>> They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
> >>>> the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your
> >>>> immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
> >>>
> >>> The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
> >>> include sterile equipment.
> >>> So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
> >>> sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To
> >>> do the second, you just...
> >>> In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
> >>> efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest
> >>> leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
> >>> equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second
> >>> way, I have to be efficient to survive.
> >>> The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
> >>> India. Why?
> >>> And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
> >>> Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
> >>> like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
> >>> train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
> >>> enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
> >>> I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
> >>> Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
> >>> bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
> >>> They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
> >>> survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
> >>> vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the
> >>> reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven,
> >>> it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old.
> >>> This isn't a game.
> >>
> >> I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
> >> system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us
> >> died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and
> >> strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7
> >> times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we
> >> stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care
> >> system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
> >> around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
> >> we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
> >> dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
> >> don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
> >> What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
> >> can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
> >> Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
> >> evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on
> >> your mouth?
> >
> > So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment.
> > And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
> > way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for sure,
> > *we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest *will*
> > survive, for sure.
> > So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
> > equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think what
> > this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean for him,
> > he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those people, if
> > it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful young idiots.
> >
> To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
> apologize for poking him. I will stop now.


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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Thu, 2 Sep 2021 18:36 UTC

On 2.9.2021. 17:30, erik simpson wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 1, 2021 at 9:21:02 PM UTC-7, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 9/1/21 9:15 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>> On 2.9.2021. 6:01, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 2.9.2021. 5:47, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 22:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals when they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He, who didn't manage to understand the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evolution, after 150 years of the research, he has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convince anyone of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My advice to you, *never* inject anything into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when you inject something, your body doesn't have a chance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to react to it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me. Fortunately.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you
>>>>>>>>>>>> magnetic.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, that's your theory.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely
>>>>>>>>>> different justification from your previous one. Do you object to
>>>>>>>>>> dental anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one
>>>>>>>>>> for polio?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
>>>>>>>>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body.
>>>>>>>>> This is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense
>>>>>>>>> mechanism.
>>>>>>>>> I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
>>>>>>>>> other than that, no.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty
>>>>>>>> nail or a toothpick?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because this was how we always did this.
>>>>>>> You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you
>>>>>>> are unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world
>>>>>>> isn't sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is,
>>>>>>> well, too bad for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
>>>>>> refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
>>>>>> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I
>>>>>> refrain from walking straight off them just because I'm going in
>>>>>> that direction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce
>>>>>> antigens into your blood just like those present in live pathogens.
>>>>>> They don't weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly
>>>>>> the same way those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your
>>>>>> immune system or encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
>>>>>
>>>>> The world, as it is, includes pine needles. It doesn't
>>>>> include sterile equipment.
>>>>> So, there are two ways to do it, with a pine needle, or with
>>>>> sterile equipment. To do the first, you just find a pine needle. To
>>>>> do the second, you just...
>>>>> In Evolution the key word is "efficiency". He, who is
>>>>> efficient, he wins. So, I can, either, use pine needles, and the rest
>>>>> leave for my body to deal with, or I can use a lot more energy, and
>>>>> equipment, to do *the same thing*. I refuse to do things the second
>>>>> way, I have to be efficient to survive.
>>>>> The whole world had bubonic plague. The whole world, except
>>>>> India. Why?
>>>>> And, regarding vaccination, your analogy is excellent.
>>>>> Vaccination introduces antigens into your blood, that work "just
>>>>> like" the real things. Like a boxer, who is using a boxing bag to
>>>>> train and be strong. Well, I have news for you, boxing bag isn't
>>>>> enough. It *has to be* a live opponent.
>>>>> I mean, all the newest research show that the problem with
>>>>> Covid-19 is in our immune system, not in virus. It is used to boxing
>>>>> bags, not to the real things. Boxing bags don't fight back.
>>>>> They say that somebody who was ill and not vaccinated, and
>>>>> survived, has 7 times better immunity than the one who was
>>>>> vaccinated. I mean, there is a reason for it. It is hard to prove the
>>>>> reason. Scientists behave like they are idiots, if it isn't proven,
>>>>> it doesn't happen. They behave so stupidly, like they are 6 years old.
>>>>> This isn't a game.
>>>>
>>>> I have to add this. Throughout our evolution we used the
>>>> system that gave 7 times better immunity than vaccination. A lot of us
>>>> died using this system , but the ones who survived, they had good and
>>>> strong immune system. Then we introduced the system which gave us 7
>>>> times weaker immune system, but we all survived. At first. And now we
>>>> stopped to all survive. And we have problems. Our whole health care
>>>> system simply collapsed. I mean, don't you see what is happening
>>>> around you? People walk around with muzzles on their months. You say,
>>>> we can do it. I say, go to hell. I'll rather die. This isn't a life a
>>>> dignified animal should live. I am a human, for god's sake. But, I
>>>> don't look very much like it, with this muzzle on my mouth.
>>>> What's next? You say, you use sterile equipment, because you
>>>> can. Will we walk around this planet in a space suit, because we can?
>>>> Because you say that you have a better system than the Nature already
>>>> evolved. So, why you are walking around this world with this muzzle on
>>>> your mouth?
>>>
>>> So, I'd rather use a pine needle than your sterile equipment.
>>> And yes, it will be bad for me, because I have more chance to die that
>>> way. But, this way it would be much better for *us*, because, for sure,
>>> *we* will survive, the society will survive, the strongest *will*
>>> survive, for sure.
>>> So, I am suggesting to this society, whoever is using sterile
>>> equipment, just stone him. He is a selfish idiot, who doesn't think what
>>> this will mean for society, he only thinks what this will mean for him,
>>> he doesn't care about the society. Society should stone those people, if
>>> it is a smart society, led my smart old men, not by playful young idiots.
>>>
>> To anyone who may be reading this, if indeed there is anyone: I
>> apologize for poking him. I will stop now.
>
> No apology necessary. But this latest rant he's on confirms to me that he's just a
> troll. I still have the probably unjustifiable belief that you can't be that stupid and still
> be alive.


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John Harshman <jharshman@pacbell.net> wrote:
> On 9/1/21 11:07 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 1.9.2021. 18:56, John Harshman wrote:
>>> On 8/31/21 11:48 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>> On 1.9.2021. 3:12, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>> On 8/31/21 9:30 AM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 17:00, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:40 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:39, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 7:34 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 4:18, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 31.8.2021. 3:01, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/30/21 2:59 PM, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Vaccinate your babies, and fill up your hospitals
>>>>>>>>>>>>> when they grow old.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Grow less and less old, with every new generation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          He, who didn't manage to understand the Evolution,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after 150 years of the research, he has to get it the hard way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Ah, what can you do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In contrast to your usual nonsense, this sort of thing is
>>>>>>>>>>>> actively dangerous, or would be if you managed to convince
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone of it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>          Jesus Christ.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>          My advice to you, *never* inject anything into your
>>>>>>>>>> body. Injection bypasses all the defense mechanisms, when you
>>>>>>>>>> inject something, your body doesn't have a chance to react to
>>>>>>>>>> it, you surrendered your body, flat down.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am disinclined to follow any advice you might ever have for
>>>>>>>>> me. Fortunately.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          Yes, but bypassing defense mechanisms is the thing that
>>>>>>>> is dangerous.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, and those mRNA vaccines change your DNA and make you magnetic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          Well, that's your theory.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is this really all about injection? That's a completely different
>>>>> justification from your previous one. Do you object to dental
>>>>> anesthetic? Do you endorse oral vaccines such as the one for polio?
>>>>
>>>>          No, it isn't about injection, it is about vaccination. I
>>>> just mentioned what you do when you put a needle in your body. This
>>>> is the purpose of needle (I presume), to bypass your defense mechanism.
>>>>          I would to it, with a pine needle, to burst a cyst. But
>>>> other than that, no.
>>>>
>>> Now I'm curious: why a pine needle specifically? Why not a rusty nail
>>> or a toothpick?
>>
>>         Because this was how we always did this.
>>         You think that the world should be sterile, otherwise you are
>> unable to live in it? I have a surprise for you, the world isn't
>> sterile, and if you are unable to live in the world as it is, well, too
>> bad for you.
>>
> That's just nonsensical. The world as it is includes lions, yet I
> refrain from stepping out in front of them while wearing a pork chop
> around my neck. The world as it is includes steep cliffs, yet I refrain
> from walking straight off them just because I'm going in that direction.
>
> I will also point out that vaccines do nothing except introduce antigens
> into your blood just like those present in live pathogens. They don't
> weaken your immune system. They stimulate it in exactly the same way
> those pathogens would. They certainly don't weaken your immune system or
> encourage weakness. Just the opposite.
>
A recent meme I saw captures it well. EMS is loading a guy in dire need of
medical help on a gurney into an ambulance. He asks if they are
transporting him to the hospital. One of the emergency medics says no,
instead they are taking him to the experts in the “comments section”.
Priceless. Such idiocy now abounds.

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