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>The Gaza Strip's terrorist factions on Tuesday warned Israel against holding a Jewish nationalist rally around Jerusalem.

>In a joint statement, the factions warned that their "finger is on the trigger" if the so-called March of the Flags goes through.

>The last year's conflict between Gaza and Israel broke out after Jewish activists marched through Jerusalem's Old City in a similar rally in the climax of a tense period.
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byhdpthec

>"Responding to a domestic threat - not enough": The defense establishment estimates that Israeli Arabs will intervene in the fighting

>Senior officials warn of more violent clashes than those that occurred during the Wall Guard, and warn: "This could lead to a kind of civil war"
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/news/defense/article/10139858

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>How U.S.-Saudi Relations Reached the Breaking Point
>In March, weeks after rebuffing the White House invitation to speak with Mr. Biden, Prince Mohammed took a call from Russian President Vladimir Putin and affirmed Riyadh’s commitment to maintaining its oil deal with Moscow.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-u-s-saudi-relations-reached-the-breaking-point-11650383578
https://archive.is/LVt9Q

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>Russia and Saudi Arabia hailed their growing partnership in oil markets and dialogue on Syria on Tuesday, in a departure from past hostilities
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-saudi-meeting-idUSKBN18Q0S4

>Russia’s Putin sees Prince Mohammed bin Salman as a ‘very reliable partner’
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2016/09/03/Russia-s-Putin-sees-Deputy-Crown-Prince-bin-Salman-as-a-very-reliable-partner-.html

>The astounding Putin-MBS high five [shortly after Khashoggi's killing]
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/30/opinions/the-astounding-putin-mbs-high-five-zelizer/index.html

>Saudi Arabia warms to Russia's embrace
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50054546

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>Gaza militants fire rockets, Israel responds with strikes in biggest escalation since last war
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20220420-israel-launches-fresh-strikes-on-gaza-after-rocket-fire

>The US Embassy in Israel has issued a security alert to Americans staying in the country
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/b1lsklrvc

>Clashes threaten to spiral out of control
https://www.australianjewishnews.com/clashes-threaten-to-spiral-out-of-control

>Report: Recently, an Israeli UAV attacked a target in Egyptian Rafah.
https://t.me/Intellinews/30003

>Israeli raids target Iranian militia sites in Al-Bukamal , near the Syrian-Iraqi border
https://twitter.com/orientnews/status/1516935025853349889

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>Almost half of Israelis (47%) fear that there will be a second Holocaust for the Jewish people
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/news/local/article/10267328

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>IDF shells targets in Lebanon after rocket fired into Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/explosion-heard-near-northern-border-amid-reports-of-rocket-fired-from-lebanon

>Hamas: ‘Southern Lebanon front’ will join any new conflict with Israel
>A London-based Arabic newspaper cited a senior source in the terror faction as saying that the situation “could ignite at any minute.”
https://www.jns.org/hamas-southern-lebanon-front-will-join-any-new-conflict-with-israel

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>Iran rejects US offers to lift sanctions in exchange for Tehran abandoning Soleimani revenge

>"The enemy keeps sending messages that if we give up on avenging Soleimani, they will give us some concessions or lift some sanctions," Revolutionary Guards' Navy Commander Alireza Tangsiri said. "This is pure fantasy. The Supreme Leader has emphasized the need for revenge and the Revolutionary Guards' top commander has said that revenge is inevitable and that we will choose the time and place for it."
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-704800

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>Ongoing monitoring of Arab networks by researchers living the Arabic language and culture, led us to publish about three weeks ago, a special study that is an urgent warning about the start of a wave of attacks against Israel.

>According to our study, which was extensively quoted in the Israeli media, a calculation based on verses in the Qur'an shows that Israel will be destroyed in 2022, which is stirring the spirits among many Israel-hating Muslims
https://rotter.net/forum/scoops1/740725.shtml

>...belief that the State of Israel will be destroyed during Ramadan 2022
https://lp.vp4.me/qx7r

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>Record alert in the defense establishment for fear of terrorist attacks: "Dozens of unfocused warnings". From tomorrow until Friday, a closure will be imposed on the territories and the Gaza Strip
https://twitter.com/kann_news/status/1521174562767093760

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>Hamas spokesman 'Abd al-Latif al-Qa'un referred to the intention to reopen the Temple Mount for aliyah for Jews on Independence Day: "The invasion of al-Aqsa on Thursday means an explosive that will lead to a new campaign"
https://twitter.com/kann_news/status/1521574290759598081

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>Amid the tense relationship between Russia and "Israel", a source for Safa: A delegation from Hamas arrives in Moscow for "important" talks
https://twitter.com/SafaPs/status/1521612189605445636

>Israel is reportedly discussing the supply of military aid to Ukraine
https://twitter.com/SamRamani2/status/1521540597227692033

>Israel does not ban Estonia from delivering Spike anti-tank missiles to Ukraine
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_may_2022_global_security_army_industry/israel_does_not_ban_estonia_to_deliver_spike_anti-tank_missiles_to_ukraine.html

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>Fatah movement in the West Bank: "We call for a general mobilization at all points of contact and a pilgrimage to Jerusalem and Al-Aqsa Mosque tomorrow, Thursday, to confront the settlers' planned incursions into Al-Aqsa Mosque."
https://twitter.com/qudsn/status/1521917593094918146

>Independence Day standby: After two weeks of being closed to Jews - hundreds are expected to arrive at the Temple Mount tomorrow. Jerusalem police prepare for clashes following threats and incitement by Hamas • Thousands of police will be deployed across the country tonight and tomorrow to secure Independence Day events
https://mobile.twitter.com/kann_news/status/1521890084584366080

>“The Zionist occupation authorities’ allowing flocks of settlers to storm the courtyards of the blessed Al-Aqsa Mosque on Thursday is playing with fire and drags the region into an escalation for which the occupation will bear full responsibility,” Hamas said in a statement on Wednesday afternoon.
>Hamas’s Gaza leader, Yahya Sinwar, said on Saturday the terror group “will not hesitate to take any steps” if Israel “violates” the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
>“Our people must prepare for a great battle if the occupation does not cease its aggression against the Al-Aqsa Mosque,” Sinwar said.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-warns-israel-playing-with-fire-as-temple-mount-groups-plan-thursday-visit

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>3 killed, 1 in critical condition following attack in central city at end of Independence Day; all wounds appear to be caused by ax
https://www.timesofisrael.com/police-launch-manhunt-for-two-suspects-after-deadly-attack-in-elad

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>Russia has begun the process of evacuating its military forces from Syria, consolidating them at three airports before transferring some of them to Ukraine.
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/russia-begins-withdrawing-troops-stationed-in-syria-likely-to-transfer-some-to-ukraine-articleshow.html

>Hamas vows suicide bombings, ‘unprecedented response’ if Israel targets its leaders
>Terror group threatens ‘regional earthquake,’ massive rockets attacks if Sinwar, other leaders hit
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-vows-suicide-bombings-unprecedented-response-if-israel-targets-its-leaders

>Saudi Arabia’s aging King Salman admitted to hospital for ‘examinations’
>It is rare for the secretive kingdom to report on the health of the monarch.
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>Israel has informed its allies that it is preparing to send assassination teams to kill Hamas leaders abroad in retaliation for deadly attacks on Israeli civilians in the past two months, sources have told The Times.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/israel-will-assassinate-hamas-leaders-if-terror-attacks-continue-m7xc9cnln

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>Veteran Al Jazeera journalist shot dead during clashes amid IDF raid in Jenin
https://www.timesofisrael.com/veteran-al-jazeera-journalist-shot-dead-during-israeli-raid-in-jenin

>Expert says journalist’s death will fuel revenge attacks
https://www.timesofisrael.com/expert-says-journalists-death-will-fuel-revenge-attacks-no-matter-the-explanation

>Jenin announces general strike
https://t.me/N12Updates/138318

>Within hours, two Israeli attacks in the Quneitra area in southern Syria
https://twitter.com/kaisos1987/status/1524295738414579713

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On 4/19/2022 7:04 PM, Matthew wrote:
>> The Gaza Strip's terrorist factions on Tuesday warned Israel against holding a Jewish nationalist rally around Jerusalem.
>
>> In a joint statement, the factions warned that their "finger is on the trigger" if the so-called March of the Flags goes through.
>
>> The last year's conflict between Gaza and Israel broke out after Jewish activists marched through Jerusalem's Old City in a similar rally in the climax of a tense period.
> https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byhdpthec
>
>> "Responding to a domestic threat - not enough": The defense establishment estimates that Israeli Arabs will intervene in the fighting
>
>> Senior officials warn of more violent clashes than those that occurred during the Wall Guard, and warn: "This could lead to a kind of civil war"
> https://www.israelhayom.co.il/news/defense/article/10139858
>

I am just a common person, and can not guarantee
any future act.
But I just spent 4 weeks in the Middle East
(Egypt, Jordan & Israel) and talked to tour guides
and venders, and service providers.

They were all thinking that there was no chance
of any military war between Israel and either
Egypt or Jordan. They were confident that peace
and growing prosperity through trade and investment
meant no major conflict.

(Of course, that does not deny that Iran could
throw a big wrench (or nuke) into the process. )

One Palestinian salesman I talked to in Jerusalem
was positive that all the problems had to due
with political leaders that kept the conflict
alive just to keep themselves in power.

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It's good to hear you made it back all right. I'm not sure about Jordan. I am convinced Egypt will participate in the next war, and that the next war is not far off. There is a growing awareness of the danger in Israel.

>Nearly half of Israelis fear a second Holocaust is coming - poll
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-705210

>The bluff of peace with Egypt
>there are those who prefer to enjoy false presentation, instead of waking up and looking at danger
>though only half a percent of Egypt's population lives in Sinai, the Egyptians are constantly working to build a vast network of bridges and tunnels leading from the West Bank of the Suez Canal to the eastern bank of the Sinai. This panic shows that the Egyptians actually want to prepare the infrastructure for preparing huge forces of the army to Sinai when necessary. "We are talking about so many transportation arteries that are meant to connect the Sinai to Egypt itself, in which the entire Egyptian army can be transferred within a few hours,"
https://nziv.net/20805

>The Egyptians invest a great deal of resources in building emergency fuel reservoirs, but somehow all these reservoirs (about 420 million liters underground) are built in the Sinai and the Suez Canal and the Gulf of Suez. For some reason, emergency fuel reservoirs are not being built in Alexandria and Cairo. Should not these cities prepare for an emergency?
>An analysis of the military infrastructure being built in Egypt and an analysis of the deployment of the Egyptian army clearly and unequivocally indicates that Egypt is preparing its army for a possible confrontation with Israel
https://nziv.net/15434

>Work on four new tunnels that run underneath the new and old Suez Canals is almost done.
>President Abdel Fattah El Sisi will open the new tunnels on October 6, local media reported. The date marks the start of Egypt’s war with Israel in 1973.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/mena/egypt-gets-ready-to-open-new-suez-canal-tunnels-in-pictures-1.767206

>EGYPT SEEKS RUSSIAN ARMS THAT COULD UNDERMINE TREATY WITH ISRAEL
https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Report-Egypt-seeks-Russian-arms-that-could-undermine-treat-with-Israel-344465

Here are some comments on an Israeli social media post from a few days ago:
> 1. Israel is approaching an existential threat.
> 7. I have a feeling that in the not-too-distant future this is really what will unfortunately happen
> 13. Amen.
> 46. ​​Absolutely even though the whole peace agreement with Egypt and Jordan is one big lie and should be treated as an enemy state
> 69. We are in the {fake} peace trap with Egypt.
> 71. It is not certain that we will survive when the concept explodes inside us and suddenly "peace" will collapse with Jordan and Egypt
https://rotter.net/forum/scoops1/742893.shtml

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On Thu, 12 May 2022 09:46:29 -0700, a425couple
<a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 4/19/2022 7:04 PM, Matthew wrote:
>>> The Gaza Strip's terrorist factions on Tuesday warned Israel against holding a Jewish nationalist rally around Jerusalem.
>>
>>> In a joint statement, the factions warned that their "finger is on the trigger" if the so-called March of the Flags goes through.
>>
>>> The last year's conflict between Gaza and Israel broke out after Jewish activists marched through Jerusalem's Old City in a similar rally in the climax of a tense period.
>> https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byhdpthec
>>
>>> "Responding to a domestic threat - not enough": The defense establishment estimates that Israeli Arabs will intervene in the fighting
>>
>>> Senior officials warn of more violent clashes than those that occurred during the Wall Guard, and warn: "This could lead to a kind of civil war"
>> https://www.israelhayom.co.il/news/defense/article/10139858
>>
>
>I am just a common person, and can not guarantee
>any future act.
>But I just spent 4 weeks in the Middle East
>(Egypt, Jordan & Israel) and talked to tour guides
>and venders, and service providers.
>
>They were all thinking that there was no chance
>of any military war between Israel and either
>Egypt or Jordan. They were confident that peace
>and growing prosperity through trade and investment
>meant no major conflict.
>
>(Of course, that does not deny that Iran could
>throw a big wrench (or nuke) into the process. )
>
>One Palestinian salesman I talked to in Jerusalem
>was positive that all the problems had to due
>with political leaders that kept the conflict
>alive just to keep themselves in power.
>

Of course Putin is doing to the Ukraine what the Zionists did to the
Levant, and continuing to do to the west bank.

I guess the Arabs are not as photogenic as the blond Caucasoid
Ukrainians?

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The Levant is Jews' historical homeland and their return was widely recognized internationally, including by the Russians.
Israel won the West Bank in a war started by Arabs.

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On 5/12/2022 5:59 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 09:46:29 -0700, a425couple
> <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 4/19/2022 7:04 PM, Matthew wrote:
>>>> The Gaza Strip's terrorist factions on Tuesday warned Israel against holding a Jewish nationalist rally around Jerusalem.
>>>
>>>> In a joint statement, the factions warned that their "finger is on the trigger" if the so-called March of the Flags goes through.
>>>
>>>> The last year's conflict between Gaza and Israel broke out after Jewish activists marched through Jerusalem's Old City in a similar rally in the climax of a tense period.
>>> https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byhdpthec
>>>
>>>> "Responding to a domestic threat - not enough": The defense establishment estimates that Israeli Arabs will intervene in the fighting
>>>
>>>> Senior officials warn of more violent clashes than those that occurred during the Wall Guard, and warn: "This could lead to a kind of civil war"
>>> https://www.israelhayom.co.il/news/defense/article/10139858
>>>
>>
>> I am just a common person, and can not guarantee
>> any future act.
>> But I just spent 4 weeks in the Middle East
>> (Egypt, Jordan & Israel) and talked to tour guides
>> and venders, and service providers.
>>
>> They were all thinking that there was no chance
>> of any military war between Israel and either
>> Egypt or Jordan. They were confident that peace
>> and growing prosperity through trade and investment
>> meant no major conflict.
>>
>> (Of course, that does not deny that Iran could
>> throw a big wrench (or nuke) into the process. )
>>
>> One Palestinian salesman I talked to in Jerusalem
>> was positive that all the problems had to due
>> with political leaders that kept the conflict
>> alive just to keep themselves in power.
>>
>
> Of course Putin is doing to the Ukraine what the Zionists did to the
> Levant, and continuing to do to the west bank.
>
> I guess the Arabs are not as photogenic as the blond Caucasoid
> Ukrainians?

Dear Peter,
I greatly disagree with your comparison that giving
the Jews a homeland in 1948 (and also at same
time offering an equal state to the Palestinians)
that was decided by a big majority United Nations
vote, is in any way equivalent to Russia invading
Ukraine AGAIN, in 2022.

And also,, frankly, NO!, the Arabs are not as
photogenic. Prior to 1948 they repeatedly backed
the wrong side in trying to aid the Nazi's in
killing Jews. In 1948 they were offered what
I view, as a fair and reasonable compromise.
They refused it and thinking they were in a very
strong position chose murder and war. For 74
years they keep refusing to compromise, and keep
refusing to fairly bargain and negotiate.

They keep choosing violence and destruction rather
that to build for the future. In the Gaza strip
they repeatedly put building materials (Concrete
and metal) into attack tunnels and rockets to fire
at citizens, rather than hospitals and condos, and
hotels.

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 by: a425couple - Fri, 13 May 2022 18:02 UTC

On 5/12/2022 10:32 PM, Matthew wrote:
> The Levant is Jews' historical homeland and their return was widely recognized internationally, including by the Russians.
> Israel won the West Bank in a war started by Arabs.

The above is one opinion of Matthew's that
I AGREE WITH.

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 by: Peter Jason - Fri, 13 May 2022 22:30 UTC

On Fri, 13 May 2022 08:15:32 -0700, a425couple
<a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/12/2022 5:59 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 09:46:29 -0700, a425couple
>> <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/19/2022 7:04 PM, Matthew wrote:
>>>>> The Gaza Strip's terrorist factions on Tuesday warned Israel against holding a Jewish nationalist rally around Jerusalem.
>>>>
>>>>> In a joint statement, the factions warned that their "finger is on the trigger" if the so-called March of the Flags goes through.
>>>>
>>>>> The last year's conflict between Gaza and Israel broke out after Jewish activists marched through Jerusalem's Old City in a similar rally in the climax of a tense period.
>>>> https://www.ynetnews.com/article/byhdpthec
>>>>
>>>>> "Responding to a domestic threat - not enough": The defense establishment estimates that Israeli Arabs will intervene in the fighting
>>>>
>>>>> Senior officials warn of more violent clashes than those that occurred during the Wall Guard, and warn: "This could lead to a kind of civil war"
>>>> https://www.israelhayom.co.il/news/defense/article/10139858
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am just a common person, and can not guarantee
>>> any future act.
>>> But I just spent 4 weeks in the Middle East
>>> (Egypt, Jordan & Israel) and talked to tour guides
>>> and venders, and service providers.
>>>
>>> They were all thinking that there was no chance
>>> of any military war between Israel and either
>>> Egypt or Jordan. They were confident that peace
>>> and growing prosperity through trade and investment
>>> meant no major conflict.
>>>
>>> (Of course, that does not deny that Iran could
>>> throw a big wrench (or nuke) into the process. )
>>>
>>> One Palestinian salesman I talked to in Jerusalem
>>> was positive that all the problems had to due
>>> with political leaders that kept the conflict
>>> alive just to keep themselves in power.
>>>
>>
>> Of course Putin is doing to the Ukraine what the Zionists did to the
>> Levant, and continuing to do to the west bank.
>>
>> I guess the Arabs are not as photogenic as the blond Caucasoid
>> Ukrainians?
>
>Dear Peter,
>I greatly disagree with your comparison that giving
>the Jews a homeland in 1948

Why do the Jews need a "homeland"? The vast majority of Jews in the
world choose not to live in Israel.
In Ottoman times the Levant was homeland to all sorts, including Jews.
The area was Arab, and now we see a re-run of the crusades where
religious fanatics and their cleric conservative hierarchies raising
hell! Of course they'll have to wade thru blood to keep it.

> (and also at same
>time offering an equal state to the Palestinians)
>that was decided by a big majority United Nations
>vote, is in any way equivalent to Russia invading
>Ukraine AGAIN, in 2022.
>
>And also,, frankly, NO!, the Arabs are not as
>photogenic. Prior to 1948 they repeatedly backed
>the wrong side in trying to aid the Nazi's in
>killing Jews. In 1948 they were offered what
>I view, as a fair and reasonable compromise.
>They refused it and thinking they were in a very
>strong position chose murder and war. For 74
>years they keep refusing to compromise, and keep
>refusing to fairly bargain and negotiate.
>
>They keep choosing violence and destruction rather
>that to build for the future. In the Gaza strip
>they repeatedly put building materials (Concrete
>and metal) into attack tunnels and rockets to fire
>at citizens, rather than hospitals and condos, and
>hotels.

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Why does anybody need a homeland? Last year President Putin wrote of Ukraine, "The Tale of Bygone Years captured for posterity the words of Oleg the Prophet about Kiev, 'Let it be the mother of all Russian cities.'...we will never allow our historical territories and people close to us living there to be used against Russia... Our spiritual, human and civilizational ties formed for centuries and have their origins in the same sources"

Long before Ottoman times the Levant was Jewish.

>Of course they'll have to wade thru blood to keep it.

Yes, the whole world will, soon.

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>The defense establishment is concerned about the daring of the terrorists in Jenin: "I do not remember anything like this for 20 years, thousands of bullets were fired"
https://news.walla.co.il/item/3505994

>Syria — Al-Hadath Reporter: An Israeli raid targets Latakia
https://twitter.com/Alhadath_Brk/status/1525190186262462464

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>Hamas calls for mass Nakba Day ascent to Temple Mount
>Sunday marks both Nakba Day and Pesach Sheni (Second Passover), and both Hamas and Jewish Temple Mount activist organizations called for people to visit, setting up a potential clash.
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-706665

>Security source: If Hamas escalates the situation to the military level tomorrow, there will be an option to eliminate Sinwar
https://t.me/arabworld301/11356

>“Our people must prepare for a great battle if the occupation does not cease its aggression against the Al-Aqsa Mosque,” Sinwar said.
>“Violating Al-Aqsa and Jerusalem means a regional, religious war,” he said.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/sinwar-warns-israel-hamas-wont-hesitate-to-take-any-steps-if-al-aqsa-is-violated

>Israel, Hamas: A powder keg waiting for a spark to set it off
https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/article-706577

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On 13/05/2022 23:30, Peter Jason wrote:

> Why do the Jews need a "homeland"? The vast majority of Jews in the
> world choose not to live in Israel.
> In Ottoman times the Levant was homeland to all sorts, including Jews.
> The area was Arab, and now we see a re-run of the crusades where
> religious fanatics and their cleric conservative hierarchies raising
> hell! Of course they'll have to wade thru blood to keep it.
>

See Auschwitz, Holocaust, Nazi Germany, Vichy France etc. Pre 1939 there
were large jewish populations in France, Germany, Poland etc. by 1945
most were dead. A lucky few managed to get to the USA, UK and Palestine,
then a British Mandate. Ok and lets not forget the Iraqi Revolt of 1941
which was supported by German and Italy who were aiming to seize the
Iraqi oil fields for their own use.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080607110454/http://www.raf.mod.uk/history_old/opsrep.html

As a matter of fact clerical conservatives did pretty well throughout
history, see Albigensian Crusade (catholic) , European wars of religion
(16 million dead), Ottoman Empire, Muhammad Ahmad bin Abd Allah aka the
Mahdi see the 1880's Mahdist revolution. Lets not forget the Boxer
rebellion in China.

Jews in the USA, UK and British Empire felt pretty safe but continental
Europe was no longer viewed that way in 1945. A large number of German
jews ended up in the UK by 1945 and 10,000 served in the British Armed
forces during WW2. Grab a copy of Churchill's German Army by Helen Fry
some time. The most courageous were infiltrated into German territory
who provide excellent information.

A friend of mine at school was the son of one who settled in Britain in
1937. His father was a brilliant chemist who had worked on synthetic
aviation gasolinein Germany before declared untermenschen and fired. As
a result ICI hired him and his colleagues and was supplying 100 octane
Avgas to the RAF in 1940 when the best the Luftwaffe could get was 88
octane.

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