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* Sparship UpdateJF Mezei
`- Re: Sparship UpdateNiklas Holsti

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 by: JF Mezei - Mon, 14 Feb 2022 00:29 UTC

Since nobody mentioned it.

1:20 (static intro screen is about 3 minutes before show starts)

https://youtu.be/3N7L8Xhkzqo

Falcon9: 144 succesful launches.
106 succesful landings
83 launches with "flight proven" rockets.

(would be interesting to get similar stats for the last year or two to
exclude the period prior to landings being expected/commonplace).

Q/A at end has a few tidbits. One reason for icreasing engines on
Starship is to give it Thrust/Weight ration above 1 at time of takeoff
so it can act as a ejection form the booster. (aka: realizes need for
some sort of crew escape mechanism).

Off shore rigs: at the launch rate they want, nobody would accept to
have rockets launch from land every hour.

No discussion on how they plan to test landing at "stage 0", but
jokingly alluded that if it doesn't work, they'll look into something else.

he does seem intent to be able to turn a booster around in an hour (so
that would require it land at launch tower). They are designing the
piping/punps to be able to refuel booster in 30 minute (or coiuld have
been 454, not sure I remember correctly.

His original luxury liner to mars is no going to be a cramped spaceship
on long flight ordeal. At the end when asked about interior design, says
that is still far into horizon, but that there are msss limitations.
ECLSS for moon and 1-2 weeks will be scaled up Dragon, but for long
duration will have to be closed cycle.

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 by: Niklas Holsti - Mon, 14 Feb 2022 08:47 UTC

On 2022-02-14 2:29, JF Mezei wrote:

[comments on Elon Musk's recent Starship update]

> His original luxury liner to mars is no[w] going to be a cramped
> spaceship on long flight ordeal.

Eventually I expect there will be first class, second class, and
"steerage" passages. These will probably be in different Starships,
because there is not room/mass enough to have, for example, different
classes of kitchens and dining facilities in the same ship, as is done
on ordinary ships for sea travel. And it could irritate the lower-class
passengers a lot if they were forbidden from mingling with the
upper-class passengers -- mingling can be forbidden on commercial
airliners, where people can be kept seated for a few hours, but hardly
during a non-stop passage lasting several months.

First-class, roomy Starship passages may be combined with and motivated
by very dense cargo that has plenty of mass but little volume, and that
cannot easily be divided into smaller pieces for separate transport.

And some gigadollar people may have their own private Starships with
gilded faucets... or maybe the multi-month one-way and even longer round
trips would too boring for them.

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