The process is just like updating windows -- it stops every once in a
while and needs an additional confirmation. WTF. "Update all" means
exactly that.

OTOH, I'm happy about the Pixel2 $60 battery replacement. I KNEW I'd
screw it up, and watching him just confirmed it.

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The Real Bev hat am 10.15.2022 um 04:25 geschrieben:
> The process is just like updating windows -- it stops every once in a
> while and needs an additional confirmation. WTF. "Update all" means
> exactly that.

You have to be careful that the Google Play Store update of installed apps
does NOT update all the installed apps on your phone 9even if all those
apps were installed from the Google Play Store).

In fact, the Google Play Store update only updates a _small_ fraction of
the apps that you installed on your phone using the Google Play Store.

Luckily there are apps that do update all the apps on your phone, and those
update-all-apps apps you can easily find in the Google Play Store if you
really want to automatically update _all_ your installed apps.

Am 15.10.22 um 04:25 schrieb The Real Bev:
> The process is just like updating windows -- it stops every once in a
> while and needs an additional confirmation. WTF. "Update all" means
> exactly that.

I never had an issue ranging from Android 7 to 13.

> OTOH, I'm happy about the Pixel2 $60 battery replacement. I KNEW I'd
> screw it up, and watching him just confirmed it.

Enjoy your Pixel 2 for some more years!

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On 10/14/22 9:36 PM, Silvano wrote:
> The Real Bev hat am 10.15.2022 um 04:25 geschrieben:
>> The process is just like updating windows -- it stops every once in a
>> while and needs an additional confirmation. WTF. "Update all" means
>> exactly that.
>
> You have to be careful that the Google Play Store update of installed apps
> does NOT update all the installed apps on your phone 9even if all those
> apps were installed from the Google Play Store).

I have a few non-playstore apps which have never been updated. No
problem.

> In fact, the Google Play Store update only updates a _small_ fraction of
> the apps that you installed on your phone using the Google Play Store.

Then I have to wonder why this is. Repeat, doesn't UPDATE ALL actually
mean UPDATE ALL? Does it mean something else in a different language?
One of the Chinese dialects, perhaps?

> Luckily there are apps that do update all the apps on your phone, and those
> update-all-apps apps you can easily find in the Google Play Store if you
> really want to automatically update _all_ your installed apps.

No, I don't want them to update automatically. I do it every couple of
months or so when I'm not going to be using the phone.

When I wore out (or whatever) the previous battery I had all functions
running all day, but turned the phone off at night. Now I keep it in
full airplane mode during the day unless I actually NEED the comm
facilities. I'm getting paranoid about battery wastage :-(

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On 10/14/22 9:38 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 15.10.22 um 04:25 schrieb The Real Bev:
>> The process is just like updating windows -- it stops every once in a
>> while and needs an additional confirmation. WTF. "Update all" means
>> exactly that.
>
> I never had an issue ranging from Android 7 to 13.

I have 211 apps. I didn't have that many on my previous Motorola G5
phone, but that phone acted the same way. I use only a few of them, but
the rest are there because I wanted the particular function they
offered. Every once in a while I prune -- and it's overdue.

>> OTOH, I'm happy about the Pixel2 $60 battery replacement. I KNEW I'd
>> screw it up, and watching him just confirmed it.
>
> Enjoy your Pixel 2 for some more years!

It's mostly a flat camera :-) I was looking at newer models in case I
had to actually buy one and the only new feature of value was a
telephoto lens. I'd like that a lot. 4XL seemed to be the first Pixel
with a tele, so maybe in another 5 years I'll buy one of those :-)

Although it was "refurbished" when I bought it via ebay 2.5 years ago,
the guy said it had never been opened. Hubby and son bought from the
same source, but they rarely use theirs so no battery problems. I have
to wonder where unused "refurbished" phones come from. Factory seconds?
Over-runs? Generic box, generic USB cable with a separate generic
wall-wart, so it wasn't from a retail source...

I questioned my ability to discern which of the many cell-repair shops
to use. Yelp is absolutely useless in all cases -- the people who
review businesses are generally too stupid to actually have an opinion.
I picked the one with the most reviews within a reasonable distance and
chatted with the guy before I committed to having him order the battery.
I liked him.

More and more I'm coming to believe that gut feel about people is fairly
accurate. Back in the dark ages when I was hiring people (chosen by
others) the ones I had a bad feeling about ended up being fired. Same
with a friend's wife, who eventually ran off to Alaska with a lumberjack.

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=====================================================================
If violence isn't solving the problem, you're not using enough of it.

The Real Bev hat am 10.15.2022 um 17:51 geschrieben:
>> You have to be careful that the Google Play Store update of installed apps
>> does NOT update all the installed apps on your phone 9even if all those
>> apps were installed from the Google Play Store).
>
> I have a few non-playstore apps which have never been updated.
> No problem.

I see below you understood what I said, but I'll make it very clear for
those who read this thread to learn from..... which is that even if all
your apps were installed via the Google Play Store, the Google Play Store
"update all" option does NOT even try to look up & update all of them.

This has been covered in depth before on this newsgroup so you can find the
exact set of apps in the c.m.a web-searchable archives as I don't recall
the exact list of apps that the Google Play Store "update all" actually
updates.

>
>> In fact, the Google Play Store update only updates a _small_ fraction of
>> the apps that you installed on your phone using the Google Play Store.
>
> Then I have to wonder why this is.

We'd have to ask Mr. Google why the Google Play Store "update all" doesn't
even attempt to update all the apps that were installed by the Google Play
Store.

Notice very clearly that I'm saying it doesn't even try, because, of
course, some apps don't have updates - but that isn't what we're talking
about since even if they did have updates available, the Google Play Store
"update all" option is a misnomer.

It really means something akin to "check for available updates for only the
apps that Google wants to ensure are updated and then update only those
apps that Google wants to be updated and which have available updates" and
none other.

> Repeat, doesn't UPDATE ALL actually mean UPDATE ALL?

Nope. Not to you. Not to me.

To Google, apparently it means update all the apps that it's programmed to
update (which isn't even close to all the apps on your phone).

Based on my tests and those of others in this newsgroup in the past, it
seems perhaps likely that the Google Play Store update all option has a
pre-programmed static list of apps it wants to check to see if there are
updates available and then it updates them.

Any app not on that pre-programmed list does not get updated even if there
are updates available. This has been reported in the past with further
detail in this newsgroup so you can find those details if you look.

> Does it mean something else in a different language?
> One of the Chinese dialects, perhaps?

It means whatever Google wants it to mean.
\ Same as the popup when you use Google Maps that asks "To continue, turn on
device location, which uses Google's location service" even when the
location hardware is already turned on.

What it means to you and me is that it's asking to turn on GPS receiver
hardware that is already turned on. But what it means to Google is to add a
few more options to upload that location to Google servers.

Google is banking on people "assuming" what it means, instead of people
actually testing what it means.

>> Luckily there are apps that do update all the apps on your phone, and those
>> update-all-apps apps you can easily find in the Google Play Store if you
>> really want to automatically update _all_ your installed apps.
>
> No, I don't want them to update automatically. I do it every couple of
> months or so when I'm not going to be using the phone.

Don't worry. The apps that actually do "update all" always give you the
option to update manually. They do exactly what you had expected the Google
Play Update to do, in fact.
> When I wore out (or whatever) the previous battery I had all functions
> running all day, but turned the phone off at night. Now I keep it in
> full airplane mode during the day unless I actually NEED the comm
> facilities. I'm getting paranoid about battery wastage :-(

That's a good approach for a few reasons, not the least of which is added
privacy.

Most of the radio transmitter/receivers in your phone can be automatically
turned off if you're not using them I think. I haven't tried all of them as
I don't use bluetooth or NFS all that often but certainly Wi-Fi has apps
that turn it off if you're not using it.

Turning off Wi-Fi when you're not using it often helps both privacy and
battery life, as does turning off cellular data I would think.

I don't know of any apps offhand that turn off cellular data if you're not
using it though. But there are geofencing automation routines which can
turn off all the radios once you leave the jurisdiction around your home.

They've all been discussed in detail on this newsgroup so there is no need
to hash them out again here.

Silvano wrote at Sat, 15 Oct 2022 20:14:47 +0200 :

> Based on my tests and those of others in this newsgroup in the past, it
> seems perhaps likely that the Google Play Store update all option has a
> pre-programmed static list of apps it wants to check to see if there are
> updates available and then it updates them.

I've also noticed how few apps Google Play will update.
It might not be a static preprogrammed list of important apps though.
It could be dynamic if developers link in certain code maybe.

For example, if a developer links into his code library X, then maybe the
Google Play update all option looks only for apps that use library X.

If a developer doesn't link into his code library X, then the Google Play
update all option won't see it.

Or it could be a static list after all.
Nobody knows but Google.

Zitelli hat am 10.15.2022 um 21:11 geschrieben:
> It might not be a static preprogrammed list of important apps though.
> It could be dynamic if developers link in certain code maybe.

It would be nice to know how Google arrives at the short list of apps to
update when you select the "update all" option in the Google Play Store app
but all I know is that it's a very short list compared to all the apps
you've installed over time on your phone using the Google Play Store app.

On 10/15/22 12:11 PM, Zitelli wrote:
> Silvano wrote at Sat, 15 Oct 2022 20:14:47 +0200 :
>
>> Based on my tests and those of others in this newsgroup in the past, it
>> seems perhaps likely that the Google Play Store update all option has a
>> pre-programmed static list of apps it wants to check to see if there are
>> updates available and then it updates them.

Google checks for available updates and tells me there are 97 and lists
them. I say UPDATE ALL. It chews through some number and then just
stops. The UPDATE ALL button is no longer greyed out. I tap it again.
It chews through some more. Wash, rinse, repeat. Eventually the entire
list is updated.

I don't expect updates for apps for which no updates are available.
What I don't understand is why it stops in mid-task and demands one or
more additional fondles. Windows does this and I don't understand that
either.

> I've also noticed how few apps Google Play will update.
> It might not be a static preprogrammed list of important apps though.
> It could be dynamic if developers link in certain code maybe.
>
> For example, if a developer links into his code library X, then maybe the
> Google Play update all option looks only for apps that use library X.
>
> If a developer doesn't link into his code library X, then the Google Play
> update all option won't see it.

I'd be perfectly happy if updates, except for bugfixes, never happened.
Whenever the developers decide to change the UI it's never better. If I
had saved the original APKs I could always go back. Too late now, for
the most part. I only do it because I figure there must be

> Or it could be a static list after all.
> Nobody knows but Google.

And we don't even have a face to draw a Hitler moustache on :-(

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-- Jennifer, WKRP

On 10/15/22 5:12 PM, Silvano wrote:
> Zitelli hat am 10.15.2022 um 21:11 geschrieben:
>> It might not be a static preprogrammed list of important apps though.
>> It could be dynamic if developers link in certain code maybe.
>
> It would be nice to know how Google arrives at the short list of apps to
> update when you select the "update all" option in the Google Play Store app
> but all I know is that it's a very short list compared to all the apps
> you've installed over time on your phone using the Google Play Store app.

I would assume it's a list of the apps for which the developers have
filed updates. Why should it be anything else?

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On 10/15/22 9:47 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 10/15/22 12:11 PM, Zitelli wrote:
>> Silvano wrote at Sat, 15 Oct 2022 20:14:47 +0200 :
>>
>>> Based on my tests and those of others in this newsgroup in the past, it
>>> seems perhaps likely that the Google Play Store update all option has a
>>> pre-programmed static list of apps it wants to check to see if there are
>>> updates available and then it updates them.
>
> Google checks for available updates and tells me there are 97 and lists
> them. I say UPDATE ALL. It chews through some number and then just
> stops. The UPDATE ALL button is no longer greyed out. I tap it again.
> It chews through some more. Wash, rinse, repeat. Eventually the entire
> list is updated.
>
> I don't expect updates for apps for which no updates are available.
> What I don't understand is why it stops in mid-task and demands one or
> more additional fondles. Windows does this and I don't understand that
> either.
>
>> I've also noticed how few apps Google Play will update.
>> It might not be a static preprogrammed list of important apps though.
>> It could be dynamic if developers link in certain code maybe.
>>
>> For example, if a developer links into his code library X, then maybe the
>> Google Play update all option looks only for apps that use library X.
>>
>> If a developer doesn't link into his code library X, then the Google Play
>> update all option won't see it.
>
> I'd be perfectly happy if updates, except for bugfixes, never happened.
> Whenever the developers decide to change the UI it's never better. If I
> had saved the original APKs I could always go back. Too late now, for
> the most part. I only do it because I figure there must be

....some security reason that I'm better off getting an update for than not.

>> Or it could be a static list after all.
>> Nobody knows but Google.
>
> And we don't even have a face to draw a Hitler moustache on :-(

--
Cheers, Bev
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system, but it is too early to shoot the bastards." -Claire Wolfe

On 16/10/2022 06.48, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 10/15/22 5:12 PM, Silvano wrote:
>> Zitelli hat am 10.15.2022 um 21:11 geschrieben:
>>> It might not be a static preprogrammed list of important apps though.
>>> It could be dynamic if developers link in certain code maybe.
>>
>> It would be nice to know how Google arrives at the short list of apps to
>> update when you select the "update all" option in the Google Play
>> Store app
>> but all I know is that it's a very short list compared to all the apps
>> you've installed over time on your phone using the Google Play Store app.
>
> I would assume it's a list of the apps for which the developers have
> filed updates.  Why should it be anything else?

Or those that register with the system hook to receive updates, if such
a hook is needed.

In the end, only apps that follow the update system and guidelines.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 16/10/2022 06.47, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 10/15/22 12:11 PM, Zitelli wrote:
>> Silvano wrote at Sat, 15 Oct 2022 20:14:47 +0200 :
>>
>>> Based on my tests and those of others in this newsgroup in the past, it
>>> seems perhaps likely that the Google Play Store update all option has a
>>> pre-programmed static list of apps it wants to check to see if there are
>>> updates available and then it updates them.
>
> Google checks for available updates and tells me there are 97 and lists
> them.   I say UPDATE ALL.  It chews through some number and then just
> stops.  The UPDATE ALL button is no longer greyed out.  I tap it again.
> It chews through some more.  Wash, rinse, repeat.  Eventually the entire
> list is updated.
>
> I don't expect updates for apps for which no updates are available. What
> I don't understand is why it stops in mid-task and demands one or more
> additional fondles.  Windows does this and I don't understand that either.

The first iteration might be security updates only, then feature
updates, then optional updates :-P

On Windows, if you insist on updates you get untested updates; they say
this somewhere.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 21:47:07 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 10/15/22 12:11 PM, Zitelli wrote:
>> Silvano wrote at Sat, 15 Oct 2022 20:14:47 +0200 :
>>
>>> Based on my tests and those of others in this newsgroup in the past, it
>>> seems perhaps likely that the Google Play Store update all option has a
>>> pre-programmed static list of apps it wants to check to see if there are
>>> updates available and then it updates them.
>
>Google checks for available updates and tells me there are 97 and lists
>them. I say UPDATE ALL. It chews through some number and then just
>stops. The UPDATE ALL button is no longer greyed out. I tap it again.
>It chews through some more. Wash, rinse, repeat. Eventually the entire
>list is updated.

Same here.

>I don't expect updates for apps for which no updates are available.
>What I don't understand is why it stops in mid-task and demands one or
>more additional fondles. Windows does this and I don't understand that
>either.
>
>> I've also noticed how few apps Google Play will update.
>> It might not be a static preprogrammed list of important apps though.
>> It could be dynamic if developers link in certain code maybe.
>>
>> For example, if a developer links into his code library X, then maybe the
>> Google Play update all option looks only for apps that use library X.
>>
>> If a developer doesn't link into his code library X, then the Google Play
>> update all option won't see it.
>
>I'd be perfectly happy if updates, except for bugfixes, never happened.
>Whenever the developers decide to change the UI it's never better. If I
>had saved the original APKs I could always go back. Too late now, for
>the most part. I only do it because I figure there must be
>
>> Or it could be a static list after all.
>> Nobody knows but Google.
>
>And we don't even have a face to draw a Hitler moustache on :-(

Carlos E. R. hat am 10.15.2022 um 20:58 geschrieben:
>> I would assume it's a list of the apps for which the developers have
>> filed updates.? Why should it be anything else?
>
> Or those that register with the system hook to receive updates, if such
> a hook is needed.
>
> In the end, only apps that follow the update system and guidelines.

To the question of "why" should it be anything other than all apps, it's
the same answer as to the question of why should turning on 'location
services' inside of Google Maps turn on a lot more things than turning on
location services inside of any other app do.

1. Turn on location services inside any app just turns on location
services, just as pressing the blue teardrop tile only turns on location
services.
2. But turn on location services inside of the Google Maps apps and a LOT
more stuff gets turned on.

The end result is that the Google Maps 'turn on location services' should
more accurately be called 'turn on location services and then a few more
things that only Google wants to turn on' because that's what it does.

Likewise.......

1. Turn on 'update all' inside of Google Play Store and it only updates a
subset of the apps you installed on the Google Play Store (whether or not
updates are available on the Google Play Store for all installed apps).
2. But turn on update all inside of the apps designed to update all your
apps and you'll see those update apps first look at the Google Play Store
to determine which installed apps have updates available on the Google Play
Store and then they provide the option to update them or not.

The end result is that the Google Play Store update all option should more
accurately be called "update some" (whether or not updates are available).

Ask Google why this is the case as I don't know why.
I only know what.

The Real Bev hat am 10.16.2022 um 06:48 geschrieben:
> I would assume it's a list of the apps for which the developers have
> filed updates.

It's not.

> Why should it be anything else?

Only Google knows the answer to that question but I suspect I was wrong in
assuming it's a static list. I think the answer from Zitelli & Carlos is
likely more correct which is that it may depend on links to Google code.

It might be linked into the Google Framework Services for example, which
many (but not all) apps on the Google Play Store have linked into their
code.

On 10/16/22 12:03 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 16/10/2022 06.47, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 10/15/22 12:11 PM, Zitelli wrote:
>>> Silvano wrote at Sat, 15 Oct 2022 20:14:47 +0200 :
>>>
>>>> Based on my tests and those of others in this newsgroup in the past, it
>>>> seems perhaps likely that the Google Play Store update all option has a
>>>> pre-programmed static list of apps it wants to check to see if there are
>>>> updates available and then it updates them.
>>
>> Google checks for available updates and tells me there are 97 and lists
>> them.   I say UPDATE ALL.  It chews through some number and then just
>> stops.  The UPDATE ALL button is no longer greyed out.  I tap it again.
>> It chews through some more.  Wash, rinse, repeat.  Eventually the entire
>> list is updated.
>>
>> I don't expect updates for apps for which no updates are available. What
>> I don't understand is why it stops in mid-task and demands one or more
>> additional fondles.  Windows does this and I don't understand that either.
>
> The first iteration might be security updates only, then feature
> updates, then optional updates :-P

Then it should damn well tell you. I want to say GO and walk away and
come back later when it's all done, not have to watch for an unknown
number of input requirements.

> On Windows, if you insist on updates you get untested updates; they say
> this somewhere.

The only windows updates I ever did were the "essential security" ones.
I would hope that those had SOME merit, but I never assumed I was "safe".

--
Cheers, Bev
"Attention: All virgins report to Paradise immediately!!
This is not a drill." --MWilliams

On 10/16/22 11:40 AM, Silvano wrote:
> Carlos E. R. hat am 10.15.2022 um 20:58 geschrieben:
>>> I would assume it's a list of the apps for which the developers have
>>> filed updates.? Why should it be anything else?
>>
>> Or those that register with the system hook to receive updates, if such
>> a hook is needed.
>>
>> In the end, only apps that follow the update system and guidelines.
>
> To the question of "why" should it be anything other than all apps, it's
> the same answer as to the question of why should turning on 'location
> services' inside of Google Maps turn on a lot more things than turning on
> location services inside of any other app do.
>
> 1. Turn on location services inside any app just turns on location
> services, just as pressing the blue teardrop tile only turns on location
> services.
> 2. But turn on location services inside of the Google Maps apps and a LOT
> more stuff gets turned on.
>
> The end result is that the Google Maps 'turn on location services' should
> more accurately be called 'turn on location services and then a few more
> things that only Google wants to turn on' because that's what it does.
>
> Likewise.......
>
> 1. Turn on 'update all' inside of Google Play Store and it only updates a
> subset of the apps you installed on the Google Play Store (whether or not
> updates are available on the Google Play Store for all installed apps).
> 2. But turn on update all inside of the apps designed to update all your
> apps and you'll see those update apps first look at the Google Play Store
> to determine which installed apps have updates available on the Google Play
> Store and then they provide the option to update them or not.
>
> The end result is that the Google Play Store update all option should more
> accurately be called "update some" (whether or not updates are available).
>
> Ask Google why this is the case as I don't know why.
> I only know what.

I think I must not be clear. When google has decided that it has the
updates for only 97 of my 212 apps, why does it only update SOME of
them, requiring me to issue the UPDATE instruction repeatedly in order
to update the entire set?

--
Cheers, Bev
"Attention: All virgins report to Paradise immediately!!
This is not a drill." --MWilliams

On 16/10/2022 21.11, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 10/16/22 12:03 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 16/10/2022 06.47, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 10/15/22 12:11 PM, Zitelli wrote:
>>>> Silvano wrote at Sat, 15 Oct 2022 20:14:47 +0200 :
>>>>
>>>>> Based on my tests and those of others in this newsgroup in
>>>>> the past, it seems perhaps likely that the Google Play Store
>>>>> update all option has a pre-programmed static list of apps it
>>>>> wants to check to see if there are updates available and then
>>>>> it updates them.
>>>
>>> Google checks for available updates and tells me there are 97 and
>>> lists them. I say UPDATE ALL. It chews through some number
>>> and then just stops. The UPDATE ALL button is no longer greyed
>>> out. I tap it again. It chews through some more. Wash, rinse,
>>> repeat. Eventually the entire list is updated.
>>>
>>> I don't expect updates for apps for which no updates are
>>> available. What I don't understand is why it stops in mid-task
>>> and demands one or more additional fondles. Windows does this
>>> and I don't understand that either.
>>
>> The first iteration might be security updates only, then feature
>> updates, then optional updates :-P

(remember that this is just a guess)

> Then it should damn well tell you. I want to say GO and walk away
> and come back later when it's all done, not have to watch gfor an
> unknown number of input requirements.

It is not opensource. They don't have to tell anything :-P

>
>> On Windows, if you insist on updates you get untested updates; they
>> say this somewhere.
>
> The only windows updates I ever did were the "essential security"
> ones. I would hope that those had SOME merit, but I never assumed I
> was "safe".
>
>

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 10/16/22 1:13 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 16/10/2022 21.11, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 10/16/22 12:03 AM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 16/10/2022 06.47, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>> On 10/15/22 12:11 PM, Zitelli wrote:
>>>>> Silvano wrote at Sat, 15 Oct 2022 20:14:47 +0200 :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Based on my tests and those of others in this newsgroup in
>>>>>> the past, it seems perhaps likely that the Google Play Store
>>>>>> update all option has a pre-programmed static list of apps it
>>>>>> wants to check to see if there are updates available and then
>>>>>> it updates them.
>>>>
>>>> Google checks for available updates and tells me there are 97 and
>>>> lists them. I say UPDATE ALL. It chews through some number
>>>> and then just stops. The UPDATE ALL button is no longer greyed
>>>> out. I tap it again. It chews through some more. Wash, rinse,
>>>> repeat. Eventually the entire list is updated.
>>>>
>>>> I don't expect updates for apps for which no updates are
>>>> available. What I don't understand is why it stops in mid-task
>>>> and demands one or more additional fondles. Windows does this
>>>> and I don't understand that either.
>>>
>>> The first iteration might be security updates only, then feature
>>> updates, then optional updates :-P
>
> (remember that this is just a guess)
>
>> Then it should damn well tell you. I want to say GO and walk away
>> and come back later when it's all done, not have to watch gfor an
>> unknown number of input requirements.
>
> It is not opensource. They don't have to tell anything :-P

"We don' have to show you no steenkin' bodges!"

Clearly not, but you would think pride of workmanship would count for
something. This is Google itself, remember. Not some anot-nosed kid
working out of the bedroom he shares with his little brother.

When hubby was selling cross-assemblers by mail (back in the late 70s)
if somebody called him with an error he would fix it and shoot out a new
disk the same day. If it was bad enough (a rarity, thankfully) he would
send everybody who bought that particular program a new disk. That's
what people do who take pride in their work.

Anybody out there write assembly code on a PC to run on weird
processors? If you bought Avocet, you wasted your money!

>>> On Windows, if you insist on updates you get untested updates; they
>>> say this somewhere.
>>
>> The only windows updates I ever did were the "essential security"
>> ones. I would hope that those had SOME merit, but I never assumed I
>> was "safe".

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Cheers, Bev
"Let them all go to hell, except Cave 76"
-- Mel Brooks

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]

> When hubby was selling cross-assemblers by mail (back in the late 70s)
> if somebody called him with an error he would fix it and shoot out a new
> disk the same day. If it was bad enough (a rarity, thankfully) he would
> send everybody who bought that particular program a new disk. That's
> what people do who take pride in their work.

A long time, an engineer in one of our instrument divisions was asked
how many bugs there were in his (firmware) code? He answered "I didn't
know we were allowed to have any!"

[...]

On 10/17/22 11:02 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
>> When hubby was selling cross-assemblers by mail (back in the late 70s)
>> if somebody called him with an error he would fix it and shoot out a new
>> disk the same day. If it was bad enough (a rarity, thankfully) he would
>> send everybody who bought that particular program a new disk. That's
>> what people do who take pride in their work.
>
> A long time, an engineer in one of our instrument divisions was asked
> how many bugs there were in his (firmware) code? He answered "I didn't
> know we were allowed to have any!"

THAT is the proper attitude!

OTOH, there's Somebody's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: "There's always
one more bug."

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Cheers, Bev
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