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 by: Matthew - Mon, 11 Jul 2022 10:36 UTC

>Russia is set to switch off the gas for work on a key pipeline — and Germany fears the worst
>Some fear the Kremlin could use planned maintenance works to turn off the taps for good.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/05/germany-fears-russian-gas-flows-could-be-about-to-stop-for-good.html

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51Iyig1wL3L.jpg

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:26 UTC

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>Russia is set to switch off the gas for work on a key pipeline — and
>Germany fears the worst
>Some fear the Kremlin could use planned maintenance works to turn off the
>taps for good.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/05/germany-fears-russian-gas-flows-could-be-about-to-stop-for-good.html

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51Iyig1wL3L.jpg

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So much for cloud-castle dreams of alternate energy sources.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220620-dutch-join-germany-austria-in-reverting-to-coal

The hard answer climate activists don't want to hear is to reduce their own
personal demand.

I'm working on it but I don't (yet) have good answers beyond improving
house, water heater and refrigeration insulation and drying laundry
outdoors.
https://offgridworld.com/how-to-live-off-the-grid-8-things-you-need-now/

But there isn't enough suitable land or firewood to support all of us the
way my Appalachian grandparents lived.

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>But there isn't enough suitable land or firewood to support all of us

That's true, but it can still be done on a personal level. this principle applies in many things these days. we decide our own level of involvement, the government can't and won't save everyone.

climate change, by the way, is a way for certain people to channel their anxiety about the coming war into something less disturbing. it is more pleasant to think of x cm sea level rise ~50 years from now. For many people fretting, chatting, drinking their starbucks, that's not even in their lifetime. The actual truth is their anxiety is caused by something far more immediate, and the next war will precipitate climate change many orders of magnitude greater than anything these people are talking about.

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Mon, 11 Jul 2022 17:48 UTC

"Matthew" wrote in message
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>But there isn't enough suitable land or firewood to support all of us

That's true, but it can still be done on a personal level. this principle
applies in many things these days. we decide our own level of involvement,
the government can't and won't save everyone.

climate change, by the way, is a way for certain people to channel their
anxiety about the coming war into something less disturbing. it is more
pleasant to think of x cm sea level rise ~50 years from now. For many
people fretting, chatting, drinking their starbucks, that's not even in
their lifetime. The actual truth is their anxiety is caused by something
far more immediate, and the next war will precipitate climate change many
orders of magnitude greater than anything these people are talking about.

--------------------------

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/the-end-of-pax-americana-how-western-decline-became-inevitable/256388/

For a lifetime the USA has done what it could to promote world peace and
prosperity for anyone willing to make the effort to participate, notably
hostile China who succeeded and Russia who didn't even try, and obviously
that didn't suit everyone. If one lifetime wasn't enough how many more
would be? The USA can't afford to continue to enforce peace so now the
world's disaffected nations are free to seek their own ideas of justice.

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mm, it's much easier to burn than to build. war happens from time to time, life goes on. we just got to get out the way. USA is no angel these days.. the land of the free - free to commit adultery, free to commit sodomy, free to abort a baby, free to divorce and break a family; drugs, violence, corruption, this goose is near cooked.

Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt. Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.
Isaiah 24:6

Evil will slay the wicked
Psalm 34:21

every nation will be destroyed. we're all immigrants here, just gotta keep it moving and be right with God.

The Lord is angry with all nations; his wrath is on all their armies. He will totally destroy them, he will give them over to slaughter.
Isaiah 34:2

15 Those who walk righteously and speak what is right, who reject gain from extortion and keep their hands from accepting bribes, who stop their ears against plots of murder and shut their eyes against contemplating evil-
16 they are the ones who will dwell on the heights, whose refuge will be the mountain fortress. Their bread will be supplied, and water will not fail them.
Isaiah 33

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Tue, 12 Jul 2022 03:07 UTC

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mm, it's much easier to burn than to build. war happens from time to time,
life goes on. we just got to get out the way. USA is no angel these days.
the land of the free - free to commit adultery, free to commit sodomy, free
to abort a baby, free to divorce and break a family; drugs, violence,
corruption, this goose is near cooked.

Therefore a curse consumes the earth; its people must bear their guilt.
Therefore earth's inhabitants are burned up, and very few are left.
Isaiah 24:6

Evil will slay the wicked
Psalm 34:21

every nation will be destroyed. we're all immigrants here, just gotta keep
it moving and be right with God.

The Lord is angry with all nations; his wrath is on all their armies. He
will totally destroy them, he will give them over to slaughter.
Isaiah 34:2

15 Those who walk righteously and speak what is right, who reject gain from
extortion and keep their hands from accepting bribes, who stop their ears
against plots of murder and shut their eyes against contemplating evil-
16 they are the ones who will dwell on the heights, whose refuge will be the
mountain fortress. Their bread will be supplied, and water will not fail
them.
Isaiah 33

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Pagan Rome remained strong after over a thousand years (753BC-313CE),
Christian Rome declined and fell in less than a hundred (313-410).

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Christianity marked the end of Rome. Constantine was the first emperor to convert and also the one to move the capital to Byzantium, where it stood for another ~thousand years.

Religion is just a vehicle (for morality, truth, order, etc.). How societies evolve, how they rise and fall, is fairly well established by now.

http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf

https://pol.foundation/ClimaxofCivilization.html

>And anticipating Malthus [Tertullian] added that "pestilence and famine and wars and earthquakes must be regarded as a remedy, as though to prune the insolence of the human race." These prunings did come to the provinces, which were too drained of their resources to be able to meet them or to recuperate from them when they passed over. The evil days did come to all, bringing wars which the people now coupled with famine and pestilence as intolerable scourges, no longer seeking occasion for fighting as their ancestors had done, but shuddering when it was forced upon them; for they stood on the defensive, with no glory or booty to gain, and their ease and comfort were at stake. "If the peace of the world could corrupt great souls," wrote Longinus in the latter half of the third century, "much more does so the interminable war which now oppresses us, and especially the sentiments which direct the present age; for the love of money with which we are all contaminated and the love of pleasure lead us into slavery and overwhelm our lives, the one disease making us petty, the other vile."

>At Rome the utter idleness and vacancy of life, given up wholly to the chase after pleasure, is well depicted in the pages of Ammianus Marcellinus..... The delicacy and effeminacy of the city-bred men showed itself exteriorly in the use of fine raiment and ointments, in the shaving of the face and even the depilation of the whole body. At Carthage things were even worse. There and throughout Roman Africa, people were said to have all the vices in a superior degree. Many men became women in face, walk, and dress; and what Clement of Alexandria called "preposterous Venus" was practised openly. As for the women, matrons could not by their dress be distinguished from courtesans. Amou?; other things revived to-day, they dyed their hair yellow. In general, "luxury has deranged everything," a Christian Father complained : "men play the part of women, and women that of men, contrary to nature; women are at once wives and husbands; and their promiscuous lechery is a public institution."

>the Roman soldiers under Gratian, at the end of the fourth century, discarded their cuirasses and helmets; and the heavy weapons of their ancestors, the short sword and the stout pilum, says Gibbon, "insensibly dropped from their feeble hands." At the same time the barbarians were increasing the weight of their armour, and even ordering it from the work-shops of the empire....

>The Roman empire fell before the Germans in the north and the Saracens in the south, primarily because from being stronger than they it had become weaker, while its greater wealth and more favourable situation attracted them.. It became weaker than they partly because the quality of its population had declined, while theirs was improving, and partly because the number of its population had decreased, while theirs was increasing. In one word, its breed was degenerating, while theirs was advancing.

>to the only men who might have saved it, if such there were, it was not worth saving, and those men and women who benefited by it were incapable of saving it. Then all the Romans practically became equal again in subjection and poverty, and the natural inequality of the sexes re-appeared in a reign of violence.

etc.

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https://twitter.com/GazpromEN/status/1547224254520999938

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https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1547180581141766144

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>The German energy crisis has reached the point where Deutsche Bank starts to 'model' (let's call it that) the potential for **gas-to-wood** substitution for heating German households this winter
https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1547180581141766144

>Gazprom does not possess any documents that would enable Siemens to get the gas turbine engine for the Portovaya CS out of Canada, where that engine is currently undergoing repairs. In these circumstances, it appears impossible to reach an objective conclusion on further developments regarding the safe operation of the Portovaya CS, a facility of critical importance to the Nord Stream gas pipeline.
https://twitter.com/GazpromEN/status/1547224254520999938

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>‘The whole market is in danger of collapsing’: Germany warns of a ‘Lehman moment’ if Russia cuts off natural gas to Europe
https://fortune.com/2022/06/23/russia-natural-gas-germany-cut-off-economy-lehman-moment/?queryly=related_article

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>LONDON, July 18 (Reuters) - Russia's Gazprom has told customers in Europe it cannot guarantee gas supplies because of 'extraordinary' circumstances, according to a letter seen by Reuters, upping the ante in an economic tit-for-tat with the West over Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

>Dated July 14, the letter from the Russian state gas monopoly, said it was declaring force majeure on supplies

>Known as an 'act of God' clause, force majeure is standard in business contracts and spells out extreme circumstances that excuse a party from their legal obligations.

>Uniper, Germany's biggest importer of Russian gas, was among the customers who said they had received a letter

>RWE (RWEG.DE), Germany's largest power producer and another importer of Russian gas, also said it has received a force majeure notice.

>A trading source, asking not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the issue, said the force majeure concerned supplies through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline, a major supply route to Germany and beyond.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-gazprom-declares-force-majeure-gas-supplies-europe-2022-07-18

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>The Russian gas export monopoly said it was halting the operation of one of the last two operating turbines due to the “technical condition of the engine”, cutting daily gas deliveries via the Nord Stream pipeline to 33m cubic metres a day – about 20% of the pipeline’s capacity.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/25/russias-gazprom-to-make-drastic-cut-to-europes-gas-supply-from-wednesday
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>Russia cuts off gas exports to Europe via Nord Stream indefinitely
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/02/energy/nord-stream-1-pipeline-turned-off/index.html

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Sun, 4 Sep 2022 16:10 UTC

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>Russia cuts off gas exports to Europe via Nord Stream indefinitely
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/02/energy/nord-stream-1-pipeline-turned-off/index.html

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 by: Matthew - Tue, 6 Sep 2022 15:02 UTC

>'This is beyond imagination': Poland homeowners are lining up for days, sleeping in their cars to buy fuel

>It’s still summer in Poland. But winter is coming.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/beyond-imagination-poland-homeowners-lining-120000534.html

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 by: Matthew - Tue, 6 Sep 2022 15:35 UTC

>Russia switches off Europe’s main gas pipeline until sanctions are lifted
>Gazprom had previously said it was halting flows through Nord Stream 1 because of a technical fault
https://www.ft.com/content/2624cc0f-57b9-4142-8bc1-4141833a73dd

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 by: Matthew - Sun, 11 Sep 2022 18:48 UTC

>Russia is retaliating against its military defeat in Kharkiv by hitting the power grid across eastern Ukraine, plunging Kharkiv, Dnipro, Poltava and other cities — and millions of civilians — into darkness.
https://twitter.com/yarotrof/status/1569014962177323008

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