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by: Dean Markley - Wed, 16 Nov 2022 12:55 UTC

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>
> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/

Has the patent been issued yet?

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by: Dean Markley - Thu, 17 Nov 2022 17:04 UTC

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
> > > Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
> > >
> > > www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
> > > www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
> > > Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
> > Has the patent been issued yet?
> the patent?
>
> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

That's a 404 error....

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by: Doctor Who - Thu, 17 Nov 2022 18:10 UTC

On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:04:59 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
<damarkley@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>> > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>> > > Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>> > >
>> > > www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>> > > www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>> > > Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>> > Has the patent been issued yet?
>> the patent?
>>
>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>
>That's a 404 error....

are you impaired?

www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf

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by: Sylvia Else - Thu, 17 Nov 2022 23:52 UTC

On 18/11/2022 4:04 am, Dean Markley wrote:
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>
>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>> the patent?
>>
>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>
> That's a 404 error....

In fairness (though why I feel the need to be fair to a fraudster, I
don't know), because this drive, if it worked, would violate the
established principles of physics, it would not be possible to patent in
places like the USA in the absence of a demonstrated clearly working
example. The rule was primarily introduced to stem the endless patent
applications on over-unity and perpetual motion machines.

Of course, the continuing lack of such an example is telling.

Sylvia.

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by: Doctor Who - Fri, 18 Nov 2022 07:04 UTC

On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:52:33 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 18/11/2022 4:04 am, Dean Markley wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>>
>>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>>> the patent?
>>>
>>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>>
>> That's a 404 error....
>
>In fairness (though why I feel the need to be fair to a fraudster, I
>don't know), because this drive, if it worked, would violate the
>established principles of physics, it would not be possible to patent in
>places like the USA in the absence of a demonstrated clearly working
>example. The rule was primarily introduced to stem the endless patent
>applications on over-unity and perpetual motion machines.
>
>Of course, the continuing lack of such an example is telling.
>
>Sylvia.

yes, it is telling us that you are a troll.

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by: Dean Markley - Fri, 18 Nov 2022 12:26 UTC

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:10:32 PM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:04:59 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
> <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
> >> Il giorno mercoledě 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> >> > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
> >> > > Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
> >> > >
> >> > > www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
> >> > > www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
> >> > > Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
> >> > Has the patent been issued yet?
> >> the patent?
> >>
> >> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
> >
> >That's a 404 error....
> are you impaired?
>
> www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
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by: Doctor Who - Fri, 18 Nov 2022 13:57 UTC

On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 04:26:01 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
<damarkley@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:10:32 PM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:04:59 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
>> <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>> >> Il giorno mercoled? 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>> >> > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>> >> > > Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>> >> > >
>> >> > > www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>> >> > > www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>> >> > > Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>> >> > Has the patent been issued yet?
>> >> the patent?
>> >>
>> >> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>> >
>> >That's a 404 error....
>> are you impaired?
>>
>> www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
>HTTP Error 404.0 - Not Found
>The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.

I can download it

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by: Sylvia Else - Sat, 19 Nov 2022 02:31 UTC

On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
> Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>
>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>> the patent?
>>
>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>
> www.asps.it/BA555.jpg

What's that meant to prove?

Sylvia

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by: Sylvia Else - Sat, 19 Nov 2022 10:33 UTC

On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>> On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>> Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>>>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>>>>> the patent?
>>>>>
>>>>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>>>>
>>>> www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
>>> What's that meant to prove?
>>>
>>> Sylvia
>> .
>>
>> meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
>> forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars
>
> there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue
>

A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
nature were different.

Sylvia

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by: Sylvia Else - Sat, 19 Nov 2022 11:05 UTC

On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>> On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>> Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>>>>>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>>>>>>> the patent?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
>>>>> What's that meant to prove?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
>>>> forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars
>>>
>>> there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue
>>>
>> A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
>> nature were different.
>>
>> Sylvia
>
> the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
>
>

But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive
does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic
radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.

Sylvia.

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by: Doctor Who - Sat, 19 Nov 2022 13:55 UTC

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 22:05:00 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>> On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>> Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>>>>>>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>>>>>>>> the patent?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
>>>>>> What's that meant to prove?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>> meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
>>>>> forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars
>>>>
>>>> there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue
>>>>
>>> A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
>>> nature were different.
>>>
>>> Sylvia
>>
>> the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
>>
>>
>
>But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive
>does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
>above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic
>radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.
>
>Sylvia.

because you are an impartial observer?

hahahahahahahaha

what a troll!

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by: Alain Fournier - Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:07 UTC

Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>> On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>> On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>> Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>>>>>>>>> the patent?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
>>>>>>> What's that meant to prove?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
>>>>>> forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars
>>>>>
>>>>> there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue
>>>>>
>>>> A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
>>>> nature were different.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia
>>>
>>> the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
>>>
>>>
>> But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive
>> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
>> above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic
>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
> With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes

The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust.
The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal
effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
(non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.

Alain Fournier

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by: Doctor Who - Sat, 19 Nov 2022 14:56 UTC

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 09:07:55 -0500, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:

>Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>> On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>> On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>>>>>>>>>> the patent?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
>>>>>>>> What's that meant to prove?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
>>>>>>> forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue
>>>>>>
>>>>> A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
>>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
>>>>> nature were different.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>
>>>> the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>> But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive
>>> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
>>> above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic
>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
>> With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes
>
>The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
>producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust.
>The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
>thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal
>effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
>(non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
>thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.
>
>
>Alain Fournier

so take a V dipole and heat your house with it :-)))

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by: Alain Fournier - Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:09 UTC

Il 19/11/2022 alle 13:08, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier ha scritto:
>> Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>>>>>>>>>>> the patent?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
>>>>>>>>> What's that meant to prove?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
>>>>>>>> forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
>>>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
>>>>>> nature were different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>
>>>>> the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive
>>>> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
>>>> above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic
>>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
>>> With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes
>> The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
>> producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust.
>> The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
>> thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal
>> effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
>> (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
>> thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.
>>
>>
>> Alain Fournier
>
>
> based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)

I'm not sure what you call a warmer. For it to have thrust by thermal
effect, it needs to be hotter on one side than the other. If your
"warmer" is hot on one side and cold on the other, yes you can get
thrust from it in an atmosphere.

Alain Fournier

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by: Doctor Who - Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:25 UTC

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:09:40 -0500, Alain Fournier
<alain245@videotron.ca> wrote:

>Il 19/11/2022 alle 13:08, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier ha scritto:
>>> Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>> the patent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
>>>>>>>>>> What's that meant to prove?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
>>>>>>>>> forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
>>>>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
>>>>>>> nature were different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive
>>>>> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
>>>>> above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic
>>>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
>>>> With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes
>>> The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
>>> producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust.
>>> The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
>>> thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal
>>> effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
>>> (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
>>> thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alain Fournier
>>
>>
>> based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)
>
>I'm not sure what you call a warmer. For it to have thrust by thermal
>effect, it needs to be hotter on one side than the other. If your
>"warmer" is hot on one side and cold on the other, yes you can get
>thrust from it in an atmosphere.
>
>
>Alain Fournier

hahahahahahahaha

what a laugh

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by: Doctor Who - Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:31 UTC

On Sat, 19 Nov 2022 15:09:40 -0500, Alain Fournier
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so a warmer (heater) is not a space engine !

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by: Dean Markley - Mon, 21 Nov 2022 14:28 UTC

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:57:32 AM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 04:26:01 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
> <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:10:32 PM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
> >> On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:04:59 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
> >> <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
> >> >> Il giorno mercoled? 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
> >> >> > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
> >> >> > > Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
> >> >> > > www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
> >> >> > > Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
> >> >> > Has the patent been issued yet?
> >> >> the patent?
> >> >>
> >> >> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
> >> >
> >> >That's a 404 error....
> >> are you impaired?
> >>
> >> www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
> >HTTP Error 404.0 - Not Found
> >The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
> I can download it
That's a picture, not a patent.

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by: Doctor Who - Mon, 21 Nov 2022 14:56 UTC

On Mon, 21 Nov 2022 06:28:13 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
<damarkley@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:57:32 AM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2022 04:26:01 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
>> <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:10:32 PM UTC-5, Doctor Who wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 17 Nov 2022 09:04:59 -0800 (PST), Dean Markley
>> >> <dama...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 8:04:43 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>> >> >> Il giorno mercoled? 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>> >> >> > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>> >> >> > > Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>> >> >> > > www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>> >> >> > > Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>> >> >> > Has the patent been issued yet?
>> >> >> the patent?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>> >> >
>> >> >That's a 404 error....
>> >> are you impaired?
>> >>
>> >> www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
>> >HTTP Error 404.0 - Not Found
>> >The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
>> I can download it
>That's a picture, not a patent.

the patent will be published 18 December 2022.

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by: Sylvia Else - Tue, 22 Nov 2022 23:53 UTC

On 20/11/2022 7:09 am, Alain Fournier wrote:
> Il 19/11/2022 alle 13:08, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier
>> ha scritto:
>>> Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha
>>>> scritto:
>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else
>>>>>> ha scritto:
>>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn
>>>>>>>> calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia
>>>>>>>>> Else ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn
>>>>>>>>>>> calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1
>>>>>>>>>>>> dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next F432BA for sale in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>> the patent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
>>>>>>>>>> What's that meant to prove?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
>>>>>>>>> forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to
>>>>>>>>> colonize moon and mars
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing
>>>>>>>> space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this
>>>>>>>> basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and
>>>>>>> unless we
>>>>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the
>>>>>>> laws of
>>>>>>> nature were different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done
>>>>>> before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by
>>>>>> others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your
>>>>> drive
>>>>> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
>>>>> above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic
>>>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn
>>>> prototypes to others.
>>>> With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type
>>>> of balance that the other party wishes
>>> The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
>>> producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust.
>>> The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
>>> thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal
>>> effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
>>> (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
>>> thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alain Fournier
>>
>>
>> based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will
>> lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)
>
> I'm not sure what you call a warmer. For it to have thrust by thermal
> effect, it needs to be hotter on one side than the other. If your
> "warmer" is hot on one side and cold on the other, yes you can get
> thrust from it in an atmosphere.
>
>

And it's a species of heat-engine - just a spectacularly inefficient one ;)

Sylvia

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by: Doctor Who - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 06:41 UTC

On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 10:53:51 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 20/11/2022 7:09 am, Alain Fournier wrote:
>> Il 19/11/2022 alle 13:08, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier
>>> ha scritto:
>>>> Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha
>>>>> scritto:
>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else
>>>>>>> ha scritto:
>>>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn
>>>>>>>>> calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia
>>>>>>>>>> Else ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn
>>>>>>>>>>>> calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next F432BA for sale in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the patent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>> What's that meant to prove?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
>>>>>>>>>> forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to
>>>>>>>>>> colonize moon and mars
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing
>>>>>>>>> space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this
>>>>>>>>> basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and
>>>>>>>> unless we
>>>>>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the
>>>>>>>> laws of
>>>>>>>> nature were different.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done
>>>>>>> before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by
>>>>>>> others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your
>>>>>> drive
>>>>>> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
>>>>>> above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic
>>>>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn
>>>>> prototypes to others.
>>>>> With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type
>>>>> of balance that the other party wishes
>>>> The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
>>>> producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust.
>>>> The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
>>>> thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal
>>>> effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
>>>> (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
>>>> thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alain Fournier
>>>
>>>
>>> based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will
>>> lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)
>>
>> I'm not sure what you call a warmer. For it to have thrust by thermal
>> effect, it needs to be hotter on one side than the other. If your
>> "warmer" is hot on one side and cold on the other, yes you can get
>> thrust from it in an atmosphere.
>>
>>
>
>And it's a species of heat-engine - just a spectacularly inefficient one ;)
>
>Sylvia

you are a troll and an irrecuperable idiot.

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by: David Dalton - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 06:50 UTC

On Nov 17, 2022, pnn calmagorod wrote
(in article<561ca4e2-2dd6-4651-b6ea-ec8af8486863n@googlegroups.com>):

> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com
> ha scritto:
> > On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
> > > Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the
> > > Moon and Mars
> > >
> > > www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
> > > www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
> > > Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
> > Has the patent been issued yet?
>
> the patent?
>
> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

You have a comma before pdf when it probably should be a period.
I haven’t visited it since it is not clear that it is a https (secure)
site.

--
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by: Sylvia Else - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 08:01 UTC

On 18/11/2022 12:04 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>
>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>
> the patent?
>
> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf

It's in Italian, but even so, it doesn't look like any issued patent
I've ever seen, and the domain name does not appear to belong to the
Italian patent office.

Sylvia.

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by: Doctor Who - Wed, 23 Nov 2022 09:37 UTC

On Wed, 23 Nov 2022 19:01:50 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 18/11/2022 12:04 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>
>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>>
>> the patent?
>>
>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>
>It's in Italian, but even so, it doesn't look like any issued patent
>I've ever seen, and the domain name does not appear to belong to the
>Italian patent office.
>
>Sylvia.

go troll someone Else !!!

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by: Sylvia Else - Fri, 25 Nov 2022 08:44 UTC

On 20/11/2022 5:08 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier ha scritto:
>> Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>>>>>>>>>>> the patent?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
>>>>>>>>> What's that meant to prove?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
>>>>>>>> forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
>>>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
>>>>>> nature were different.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>
>>>>> the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive
>>>> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
>>>> above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic
>>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
>>> With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes
>> The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
>> producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust.
>> The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
>> thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal
>> effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
>> (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
>> thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.
>>
>>
>> Alain Fournier
>
>
> based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)
> But changing the laws of motion with the PNN the thrust becomes greater than 12 grams after about 10 minutes ... and always at 250 watts..
> like this www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg :-) ...
>

Why does it take 10 minutes? Where is the power going in the mean time?
Does that not seem odd to you?

Sylvia.

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by: Doctor Who - Fri, 25 Nov 2022 16:11 UTC

On Fri, 25 Nov 2022 19:44:39 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:

>On 20/11/2022 5:08 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 15:08:06 UTC+1 Alain Fournier ha scritto:
>>> Il 19/11/2022 alle 06:12, pnn calmagorod ha scritto :
>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 12:05:03 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:41 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 11:33:25 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 5:49 pm, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 07:30:59 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>> Il giorno sabato 19 novembre 2022 alle 03:31:51 UTC+1 Sylvia Else ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>> On 19/11/2022 9:18 am, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno giovedì 17 novembre 2022 alle 14:04:43 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Il giorno mercoledì 16 novembre 2022 alle 13:55:19 UTC+1 dama...@gmail.com ha scritto:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 6:45:51 AM UTC-5, pnn calmagorod wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion and switch to PNN to colonize the Moon and Mars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/qct05_ENG.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/PNN488.mp4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next F432BA for sale in https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the patent been issued yet?
>>>>>>>>>>>> the patent?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> here www.asps.it/Paper16,pdf
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> www.asps.it/BA555.jpg
>>>>>>>>>> What's that meant to prove?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> meantime you discuss in an unuseful manner PNN goes
>>>>>>>>> forward and don't forget that with rocketry it is impossible to colonize moon and mars
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> there is only one principle for colonizing or industrializing space: not to lose reaction mass. Until you understand this basic premise, the rocket comedy will continue
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A reaction-less drive would be nice, for sure. but until and unless we
>>>>>>> get one, we need to use what we have, rather than wishing the laws of
>>>>>>> nature were different.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the laws of nature become different if you do what no one has done before or violate the third law of dynamics : event predicted by others well before me www.asps.it/Paper16.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> But you've failed to demonstrate to impartial observers that your drive
>>>>> does anything. To be remotely useful, it needs to produce thrust well
>>>>> above anything that could ascribed to thermal effects or non-isotropic
>>>>> radiation. If it were doing that, it would be obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>
>>>> We are going to sell the battery operated and remote controlled pnn prototypes to others.
>>>> With the essential premise of demonstrating the thrust on any type of balance that the other party wishes
>>> The problem is not the type of balance. I believe that you are truly
>>> producing thrust and therefore most any balance can measure your thrust.
>>> The problem is that, as Sylvia wrote, the thrust can be explained by
>>> thermal and/or non-isotropic radiation. I believe it is mainly a thermal
>>> effect. Once in vacuum, your thruster will no longer be heating the
>>> (non-existent) atmosphere on one side of it, and you will lose your
>>> thrust. If you prove me wrong, I would be very happy.
>>>
>>>
>>> Alain Fournier
>>
>>
>> based on what you say take a warmer put it hot on a scale and it will lighten, put it in the fridge and on the scale it will weigh down :-)
>> But changing the laws of motion with the PNN the thrust becomes greater than 12 grams after about 10 minutes ... and always at 250 watts..
>> like this www.asps.it/trustgra1.jpg :-) ...
>>
>
>Why does it take 10 minutes? Where is the power going in the mean time?

magnetic field

>Does that not seem odd to you?

NO!

>
>Sylvia.

go troll someone Else !

Subject	Author
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Dean Markley
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Dean Markley
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Doctor Who
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Dean Markley
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Doctor Who
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Dean Markley
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Doctor Who
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Sylvia Else
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Doctor Who
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Sylvia Else
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Sylvia Else
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Sylvia Else
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Doctor Who
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Alain Fournier
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Doctor Who
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Alain Fournier
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Doctor Who
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Doctor Who
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Sylvia Else
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Doctor Who
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Sylvia Else
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Doctor Who
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	David Dalton
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Otto J. Makela
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Doctor Who
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Sylvia Else
Re: Leave the arthritic rocket propulsion	Doctor Who