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* Croc breathingDaud Deden
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Croc breathing

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 by: Daud Deden - Fri, 10 Dec 2021 01:27 UTC

https://phys.org/news/2021-12-goniopholidid-species-upper-jurassic-palatal.html

look at its head and throat anatomy.

Modern crocodiles have nostrils turned in reverse to most other animals, situated atop their snout. They are used for breathing when the crocodile is in the water. They also have a palatal valve in their throat that can be used to allow the croc to breathe through its mouth when on shore. On land, the valve is open. Once in the water, the valve closes, keeping water in the mouth from entering the lungs. The researchers were not able to see a palatal valve, of course; its fleshy makeup was lost long ago. But they did find skull features similar to a modern crocodile and a structure in the roof of its mouth that appeared similar to that in modern crocs. They also found a short bone that in modern crocs supports the tongue. Taken together, the researchers suggest the evidence is strong for a palatal valve. The finding could help to explain how goniopholidid's survived the mass extinction that wiped out the dinosaurs—they were able to stay in the water, even while feeding

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Fri, 10 Dec 2021 03:02 UTC

On 10.12.2021. 2:27, Daud Deden wrote:
> https://phys.org/news/2021-12-goniopholidid-species-upper-jurassic-palatal.html
>
> look at its head and throat anatomy.
>
> Modern crocodiles have nostrils turned in reverse to most other animals, situated atop their snout. They are used for breathing when the crocodile is in the water. They also have a palatal valve in their throat that can be used to allow the croc to breathe through its mouth when on shore. On land, the valve is open. Once in the water, the valve closes, keeping water in the mouth from entering the lungs. The researchers were not able to see a palatal valve, of course; its fleshy makeup was lost long ago. But they did find skull features similar to a modern crocodile and a structure in the roof of its mouth that appeared similar to that in modern crocs. They also found a short bone that in modern crocs supports the tongue. Taken together, the researchers suggest the evidence is strong for a palatal valve. The finding could help to explain how goniopholidid's survived the mass extinction that wiped out the dinosaurs—they were able to stay in the water, even while feeding
>

Again this narrow-minded childish approach. The guy is researching
this feature, and voila, this single feature explains everything in the
Universe.
And I see more and more of things like that.
This is a specialist, specialized in this particular thing. The
problem is, because of his narrow specialization, he doesn't have time
to research anything else. On one hand we have those narrow specialists,
on the other hand we have professors. They are on the other extreme,
they have to know everything, but this "everything" got so large, that
they lost compass.
100 years ago scientists had smaller knowledge, and they were less
narrow specialist, so this blended well. But today science stretched too
much, and somebody should address this *problem* somehow.
Dinosaurs that had beaks (so they had different diet), survived.
Somebody call them avian, but they weren't avian. They did have feathers
(this is why they thought they were avian), but today we know that all
dinosaurs had feathers.
While we are at that, climate in those times was much warmer, hence
much more precipitation, hence ecology was flooded. How feathers behave
in water compared to fur? I would say, much better.
So, how much a guy that is specialized in some narrow specialization
is able at all to see a bit greater scoop? Not at all, he is not even
thinking about anything that is outside of his narrow world.

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 by: Daud Deden - Mon, 13 Dec 2021 00:14 UTC

On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 10:02:35 PM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
> On 10.12.2021. 2:27, Daud Deden wrote:
> > https://phys.org/news/2021-12-goniopholidid-species-upper-jurassic-palatal.html
> >
> > look at its head and throat anatomy.
> >
> > Modern crocodiles have nostrils turned in reverse to most other animals, situated atop their snout. They are used for breathing when the crocodile is in the water. They also have a palatal valve in their throat that can be used to allow the croc to breathe through its mouth when on shore. On land, the valve is open. Once in the water, the valve closes, keeping water in the mouth from entering the lungs. The researchers were not able to see a palatal valve, of course; its fleshy makeup was lost long ago. But they did find skull features similar to a modern crocodile and a structure in the roof of its mouth that appeared similar to that in modern crocs. They also found a short bone that in modern crocs supports the tongue. Taken together, the researchers suggest the evidence is strong for a palatal valve. The finding could help to explain how goniopholidid's survived the mass extinction that wiped out the dinosaurs—they were able to stay in the water, even while feeding
> >
> Again this narrow-minded childish approach. The guy is researching
> this feature, and voila, this single feature explains everything in the
> Universe.
> And I see more and more of things like that.
> This is a specialist, specialized in this particular thing. The
> problem is, because of his narrow specialization, he doesn't have time
> to research anything else. On one hand we have those narrow specialists,
> on the other hand we have professors. They are on the other extreme,
> they have to know everything, but this "everything" got so large, that
> they lost compass.
> 100 years ago scientists had smaller knowledge, and they were less
> narrow specialist, so this blended well. But today science stretched too
> much, and somebody should address this *problem* somehow.
> Dinosaurs that had beaks (so they had different diet), survived.
> Somebody call them avian, but they weren't avian. They did have feathers
> (this is why they thought they were avian), but today we know that all
> dinosaurs had feathers.
> While we are at that, climate in those times was much warmer, hence
> much more precipitation, hence ecology was flooded. How feathers behave
> in water compared to fur? I would say, much better.
> So, how much a guy that is specialized in some narrow specialization
> is able at all to see a bit greater scoop? Not at all, he is not even
> thinking about anything that is outside of his narrow world.
>
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> human-e...@googlegroups.com
- Since you did not mention the topic nor its constituents, you are just ranting illogically again.

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 by: Mario Petrinovic - Mon, 13 Dec 2021 06:14 UTC

On 13.12.2021. 1:14, Daud Deden wrote:
> On Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 10:02:35 PM UTC-5, Mario Petrinovic wrote:
>> On 10.12.2021. 2:27, Daud Deden wrote:
>>> https://phys.org/news/2021-12-goniopholidid-species-upper-jurassic-palatal.html
>>>
>>> look at its head and throat anatomy.
>>>
>>> Modern crocodiles have nostrils turned in reverse to most other animals, situated atop their snout. They are used for breathing when the crocodile is in the water. They also have a palatal valve in their throat that can be used to allow the croc to breathe through its mouth when on shore. On land, the valve is open. Once in the water, the valve closes, keeping water in the mouth from entering the lungs. The researchers were not able to see a palatal valve, of course; its fleshy makeup was lost long ago. But they did find skull features similar to a modern crocodile and a structure in the roof of its mouth that appeared similar to that in modern crocs. They also found a short bone that in modern crocs supports the tongue. Taken together, the researchers suggest the evidence is strong for a palatal valve. The finding could help to explain how goniopholidid's survived the mass extinction that wiped out the dinosaurs—they were able to stay in the water, even while feeding
>>>
>> Again this narrow-minded childish approach. The guy is researching
>> this feature, and voila, this single feature explains everything in the
>> Universe.
>> And I see more and more of things like that.
>> This is a specialist, specialized in this particular thing. The
>> problem is, because of his narrow specialization, he doesn't have time
>> to research anything else. On one hand we have those narrow specialists,
>> on the other hand we have professors. They are on the other extreme,
>> they have to know everything, but this "everything" got so large, that
>> they lost compass.
>> 100 years ago scientists had smaller knowledge, and they were less
>> narrow specialist, so this blended well. But today science stretched too
>> much, and somebody should address this *problem* somehow.
>> Dinosaurs that had beaks (so they had different diet), survived.
>> Somebody call them avian, but they weren't avian. They did have feathers
>> (this is why they thought they were avian), but today we know that all
>> dinosaurs had feathers.
>> While we are at that, climate in those times was much warmer, hence
>> much more precipitation, hence ecology was flooded. How feathers behave
>> in water compared to fur? I would say, much better.
>> So, how much a guy that is specialized in some narrow specialization
>> is able at all to see a bit greater scoop? Not at all, he is not even
>> thinking about anything that is outside of his narrow world.
> -
> Since you did not mention the topic nor its constituents, you are just ranting illogically again.

Hm, I am rethinking the whole thing. Thanks.

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