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 by: MrPostin...@kymhorsell.com - Wed, 16 Feb 2022 07:11 UTC

For Aussie-based fossil, or anyone else that has been functionally unconscious
the past 20y, a 9 news investihation will air for the 1000th time some
footage confimed by the Pentagon to be footage shot about 15y ago
showing some strange objects that had been harassing a US Navy carrier group
and sub off the coast of California.
It was an almost carbon copy of an incident in the 1950s off Denmark
involving NATO exercise "Operation Mainbrace".

Supposdely "experts" selected by the program will discuss what is known
about these object and hopefully underline what a mundane occurrence
this kind of thing has become.

Further reading will reveal Navy flyers say they see daily similar things
off the US East coast. Military ordered enacted since the 2004 Nimitz
incidence make it an offence for military personnel to discuss these things
with the press. You have to ask yourselves why.

Watch Under Investigation Season 3, Catch Up TV - 9Now

Media posted by Under Investigation with Liz Hayes
Mysterious objects, tearing up the sky like nothing on earth. TONIGHT on
#UInvestigate, the world's leading minds examine bombshell evidence that
stunned the Pentagon and answer man's greatest question: Are we alone in
the Universe? 9PM on @Channel9 and @9Now.
16 Feb 2022 02:09Z

--
"Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood.
Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less."
- Marie Curie

New infrared image shows 'swarm' of flashing 'Tic-Tac shaped' UFOs chase
4 Navy destroyers in 2019
[#unreliablesource]
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Swarms of flashing 'Tic-Tac shaped' UFOs chased 4 US Navy ... The Navy's
top commanders including the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) and...

Top 5 UFOs caught on RADAR
LUFOS, 13 Feb 2022
This is a compilation of credible accounts of UFOs being tracked on RADAR.
The list: Aurigny Flight 544 UFO Japan Air Lines Cargo Flight 1628 ...

Machine `to capture hi-res UFO image by 2024' being built by Harvard professor
The Sun, 07 Feb 2022 17:36Z
Screenshot from the 'Gimbal' UFO video which includes US Navy pilots
exclaiming 'look ... In the 2004 encounter, pilots captured footage of a 'tic
-tac'-shaped object in the sky In other news, a ...

Out of the Shadows: When Mainstream Media Began Taking the UFO Topic
Seriously
The Debrief, 03 Feb 2022
When it comes to UFOs, the mainstream media only recently got into the
game. Here are some of the major voices who helped make that happen.

Can we find UFOs from above?
The Hill, 25 Jan 2022
We are used to looking up when finding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
(UAP, previously known as UFOs) of the type reported by the Office of the
Director of...

`Something's coming': is America finally ready to take UFOs seriously?
The Guardian, 05 Feb 2022 09:32Z
It's: how crowded is it up there?' UFO-watchers say 2022 could ...

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 by: Whisper - Wed, 16 Feb 2022 09:44 UTC

On 16/02/2022 6:11 pm, MrPostingRobot@kymhorsell.com wrote:
> For Aussie-based fossil, or anyone else that has been functionally unconscious
> the past 20y, a 9 news investihation will air for the 1000th time some
> footage confimed by the Pentagon to be footage shot about 15y ago
> showing some strange objects that had been harassing a US Navy carrier group
> and sub off the coast of California.
> It was an almost carbon copy of an incident in the 1950s off Denmark
> involving NATO exercise "Operation Mainbrace".
>
> Supposdely "experts" selected by the program will discuss what is known
> about these object and hopefully underline what a mundane occurrence
> this kind of thing has become.
>
> Further reading will reveal Navy flyers say they see daily similar things
> off the US East coast. Military ordered enacted since the 2004 Nimitz
> incidence make it an offence for military personnel to discuss these things
> with the press. You have to ask yourselves why.
>
> Watch Under Investigation Season 3, Catch Up TV - 9Now
>
> Media posted by Under Investigation with Liz Hayes
> Mysterious objects, tearing up the sky like nothing on earth. TONIGHT on
> #UInvestigate, the world's leading minds examine bombshell evidence that
> stunned the Pentagon and answer man's greatest question: Are we alone in
> the Universe? 9PM on @Channel9 and @9Now.
> 16 Feb 2022 02:09Z
>
>
> --
> "Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood.
> Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less."
> - Marie Curie
>
> New infrared image shows 'swarm' of flashing 'Tic-Tac shaped' UFOs chase
> 4 Navy destroyers in 2019
> [#unreliablesource]
> Daily Mail, 12 Feb 2022
> Swarms of flashing 'Tic-Tac shaped' UFOs chased 4 US Navy ... The Navy's
> top commanders including the Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) and...
>
> Top 5 UFOs caught on RADAR
> LUFOS, 13 Feb 2022
> This is a compilation of credible accounts of UFOs being tracked on RADAR.
> The list: Aurigny Flight 544 UFO Japan Air Lines Cargo Flight 1628 ...
>
> Machine `to capture hi-res UFO image by 2024' being built by Harvard professor
> The Sun, 07 Feb 2022 17:36Z
> Screenshot from the 'Gimbal' UFO video which includes US Navy pilots
> exclaiming 'look ... In the 2004 encounter, pilots captured footage of a 'tic
> -tac'-shaped object in the sky In other news, a ...
>
> Out of the Shadows: When Mainstream Media Began Taking the UFO Topic
> Seriously
> The Debrief, 03 Feb 2022
> When it comes to UFOs, the mainstream media only recently got into the
> game. Here are some of the major voices who helped make that happen.
>
> Can we find UFOs from above?
> The Hill, 25 Jan 2022
> We are used to looking up when finding Unidentified Aerial Phenomena
> (UAP, previously known as UFOs) of the type reported by the Office of the
> Director of...
>
> `Something's coming': is America finally ready to take UFOs seriously?
> The Guardian, 05 Feb 2022 09:32Z
> It's: how crowded is it up there?' UFO-watchers say 2022 could ...
>

There have never been UFO's from other planets. I guarantee that 100%.

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 by: R Kym Horsell - Wed, 16 Feb 2022 22:25 UTC

MrPostingRobot@kymhorsell.com wrote:
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> Further reading will reveal Navy flyers say they see daily similar things
> off the US East coast. Military ordered enacted since the 2004 Nimitz
> incidence make it an offence for military personnel to discuss these things
> with the press. You have to ask yourselves why.
> Watch Under Investigation Season 3, Catch Up TV - 9Now
> Media posted by Under Investigation with Liz Hayes
> Mysterious objects, tearing up the sky like nothing on earth. TONIGHT on
> #UInvestigate, the world's leading minds examine bombshell evidence that
> stunned the Pentagon and answer man's greatest question: Are we alone in
> the Universe? 9PM on @Channel9 and @9Now.
> 16 Feb 2022 02:09Z

Wacthed the program last night. Nothing new on the video front -- the
same old 3 vids taken off the Cal and E US coasts one of them 15y old.

But Ryan Graves had some interesting tidbits from both his own experiences
as a Hornet pilot flying daily off the Atlantic coast, and some more
recent info from people "still in" and presumably blocked from talking
to the media.

The experts were the usual list of working scientists and analysts.
The views were fairly mundane from it could be anything to
its probably the Russians or a black project the Navy wasnt told about.

None of the explanations fit all the facts. Large aircraft with no jets or
propellors or lifting surfaces zipping around at high speed, taking high-g
turns that even the aircraft structure we know of just cant take, let
alone the pilot.

None of the experts tackled what kind of physics they were seeing
or how far ahead of the bleeding edge we know about it was.
Noone commented even in general terms whether it was antigravity or
some advanced physic we were seeing.

As insiders in the USDoD say they HOPE it isn't the Russians or Chinese
coz the tech might be difficult to replicate and could take
a few years to work up. Even the tech to get good pictures of these things
is decades away. You gotta imagine the "object people" have stuff like that
and other stuff we havent thought of.

In the program there was only incidental mention of the Congressional report
that itself was a bit of a sop, only including ~140 sightings made almost
exclusively by the Navy over the past 2 y -- nothing from previous
decades or other services despite the Order directing every agency to
scan its files and present it by mid 2021. Some recent story indicate the
CIA says it has "lost track" of some of its relevant files.

Insiders say the secret version of the report shown to Congresscritters
was not much more detailed although it included dozens of classified
videos the public has not yet seen, although a new "IR vid" that was
apparently part of that bunch has just been leaked.

Some mention of "threat" was made in the program including "possible"
airline crashes that may have involved things buzzing around at close
quarters. Some mention was made of a Navy incident were "something"
came within 20 ft of a het's wing.

Overall it seemed designed to aquaint but not alarm. Given the tight
grip parts of the US military has held this stuff from at least the
last 20y and probably since the 1950s when Operation Mainbrace
a NATO exercise off Denmark saw much the same kind of stuff, incl
unknown submersibles also buzzing around at technically impossible speeds.

On an atronomy group I should need to point out that close approaches of
Saturn occur every ~30y. There was one toward the end of WWII,
one in the mid 50s, and one in the early 2000s. All of these seem
to be close to the dates of the relevant incidents.

All pure coicidence of course and nothing to worry about. :)

--
[Appeal To The Ignorant:]

"Larry":
All of those things are understood quite well, even though there is *always*
more to learn... whereas the "alien hypothesis" has zero evidence to offer
in its support. ZERO. A lot of hand-waving and wild theories, but not a
shred of evidence.
-- 11 Feb 2022 21:43:47

[Ironical Footnote:]
>Did you notice you're always saying things are NOT the case?
Not true but I won't be bothered citing examples.
***1 ***2
-- "Larry", ibid
[A new classic: "I don't keep putting things in the negative but I won't
try to prove I don't because I can't"].

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 by: R Kym Horsell - Thu, 17 Feb 2022 17:24 UTC

casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>>There have never been UFO's from other planets. I guarantee that 100%.
> I agree.
> Interstellar distances are far too great, even if going nearly c .
.....

You keep making the same dumb assumptions and gettin the same dum answer.
Preumably you are being paid to do that.

--
[The Appeal Of Ignorance:]

"Curly":
I am only pointing out the you have no evidence to support your position.
What do you call someone who believes in things without evidence? Religious...
-- 12 Feb 2022 08:40:28

An Appeal To Ignorance is a fallacy based on there supposedly being no
evidence or no evidence known or that what evidence has been presented
is not evidence at all for some proposition hence the opposite must be true.
One variation is called the pig-headed appeal to ignornace when it boils
down to what the claimaint says they don't know or can't accept themselves
rather than what is generally said to be known or not known.

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 by: Caselli Luigi - Thu, 17 Feb 2022 21:21 UTC

Il 16/02/2022 10:44, Whisper ha scritto:

> There have never been UFO's from other planets.  I guarantee that 100%.

Maybe they live under the ocean so there's no need to think about faster
than light speed.
At maximum more or less 10 km under the surface.
Actually not a great distance.

Luigi Caselli

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 by: R Kym Horsell - Thu, 17 Feb 2022 22:32 UTC

Caselli Luigi <caselli@anyspamrefusediol.it> wrote:
> Il 16/02/2022 10:44, Whisper ha scritto:
>> There have never been UFO's from other planets. I guarantee that 100%.
> Maybe they live under the ocean so there's no need to think about faster
> than light speed.
> At maximum more or less 10 km under the surface.
> Actually not a great distance.
> Luigi Caselli

The "faster than light" objection when you look at it is just dumb.
Not only might there be many ways to beat it -- wormholes or other
shortcuts -- but the argument ignores history.

Noone needs to come to Earth from a million light years away.
The only trips you need to take are short. From star to star.
Like the way humans migrated all over this planet.

And those short trips aren't necessarily limited to people sitting
at the steering wheel of their space ship for decades.
The only thing that needs to span the space is the information
to build a lifeform. And that can be sent by slow old EM radiation.

There are also plenty of objects within 1 LY of Earth for life to
have arisen and make its way here. Already we suspect life arose
on at least 2 nearby planets and maybe had 1 billion years headstart.

We are starting to suspect there are several moons inside the solar
system that maybe have oceans similar to Earths. In some cases the
suspected volume of salt water exceeds our own oceans.

There are an estimated trillion other objects within 1 LY of Earth.

And not to forget life on Earth could have been seeded from somewhere else
anyway.

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On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:32:52 PM UTC-8, kymho...@gmail.com wrote:

> Noone needs to come to Earth from a million light years away.
> The only trips you need to take are short. From star to star.
> Like the way humans migrated all over this planet.

If you actually believe that trips from star to star are "short", then you are clearly very ignorant about the realities of physics. Humans migrating around the planet are vastly different from people migrating from star to star.

I do believe that if you had a functioning brain you would take it out and play with it.

And yes, I really do believe that someone who believes in things without evidence is simply accepting it on faith...

FAITH, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

--Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"

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 by: Daniel65 - Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:29 UTC

casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote on 18/2/22 9:09 am:
> PS - Lets assume aliens have found a way to traverse the vast
> interstellar distances at speeds far exceeding c , contrary to known
> physics, and have been "buzzing about". Don't you suppose they'd make
> their presence clearly known ? Wouldn't we ? Absolutely not a shred of
> confirmed evidence of this. Why ? Because they aren't !
>
Hmmm! To reference that source of all great Space knowledge, Star Trek
(one series or other): Didn't they set up an observation post with-in a
mountain so that they could observe the 'Natives'?? .... but, of course,
the Holograph window broke down, exposing the Scientists to the 'Natives'!!
--
Daniel

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 by: Daniel65 - Fri, 18 Feb 2022 11:42 UTC

palsing wrote on 18/2/22 2:37 pm:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:32:52 PM UTC-8,
> kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Noone needs to come to Earth from a million light years away. The
>> only trips you need to take are short. From star to star. Like the
>> way humans migrated all over this planet.
>
> If you actually believe that trips from star to star are "short",
> then you are clearly very ignorant about the realities of physics.
> Humans migrating around the planet are vastly different from people
> migrating from star to star.

Back a couple of Centuries, or so, ago, trips from Europe to 'The New
World' or 'Van Diemans Land' would have been viewed in the same sort of
terms .... Just fancy leaving Europe for the Goldfields of California or
New South Wales!!

Sure, the Universe is a BIG place ..... Hell, this Galaxy is a big
place, plenty of room for other intelligent life-forms to have
developed, a long time ago, into Space Faring species and made it here
..... you know, just to have a look around, maybe!!
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Daniel

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 by: Whisper - Fri, 18 Feb 2022 13:30 UTC

On 18/02/2022 10:42 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> palsing wrote on 18/2/22 2:37 pm:
>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:32:52 PM UTC-8,
>> kymho...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Noone needs to come to Earth from a million light years away. The
>>> only trips you need to take are short. From star to star. Like the
>>> way humans migrated all over this planet.
>>
>> If you actually believe that trips from star to star are "short",
>> then you are clearly very ignorant about the realities of physics.
>> Humans migrating around the planet are vastly different from people
>> migrating from star to star.
>
> Back a couple of Centuries, or so, ago, trips from Europe to 'The New
> World' or 'Van Diemans Land' would have been viewed in the same sort of
> terms .... Just fancy leaving Europe for the Goldfields of California or
> New South Wales!!
>
> Sure, the Universe is a BIG place ..... Hell, this Galaxy is a big
> place, plenty of room for other intelligent life-forms to have
> developed, a long time ago, into Space Faring species and made it here
> .... you know, just to have a look around, maybe!!

No chance. Some things are simply impossible. Star Trek is not real,
it's just bullshit someone thought up.

Humans will never make it to even the nearest star. 100% impossibility.

Do you have any idea how far 4.3 light years is, physically? Your brain
can't even comprehend that mind numbing distance, and that's the nearest
star to us. 300,000 km every second of every day for 4.3 years.

The fastest manned craft we've created has a top speed of 40,000 km per
hour, so that means it would rake 110,000 years to get to proxima
centauri. If human life span is 80 yrs you're looking at 1,400
generations of humans on a 1 way trip. Not happening. Wake up and
smell the coffee.

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 by: Whisper - Fri, 18 Feb 2022 13:49 UTC

On 18/02/2022 10:42 pm, Daniel65 wrote:
> palsing wrote on 18/2/22 2:37 pm:
>> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 2:32:52 PM UTC-8,

>>
>> If you actually believe that trips from star to star are "short",
>> then you are clearly very ignorant about the realities of physics.
>> Humans migrating around the planet are vastly different from people
>> migrating from star to star.
>
> Back a couple of Centuries, or so, ago, trips from Europe to 'The New
> World' or 'Van Diemans Land' would have been viewed in the same sort of
> terms ....

Why do you say that? Earth circumference is 40,000km, average walking
pace is 5km/hr. So it would take 333 days to walk around the earth,
less than 1 year. The distance from Europe to Van Diemans land is
16,000 km so it would take about 4 months to walk there. Of course they
had ships back then so looking at about 10 weeks travel time.

Our fastest rocket would take 110,000 *years* to get to the nearest star.

This is your idea of 'same sort of terms'?

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 by: R Kym Horsell - Sat, 19 Feb 2022 20:55 UTC

casagiannoni@optimum.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Back a couple of Centuries, or so, ago, trips from Europe to 'The New
>>> World' would have been viewed in the same sort of
>>> terms ....
>>
>>Our fastest rocket would take 110,000 *years* to get to the nearest star.
>>
>>This is your idea of 'same sort of terms'?
>>
> Good, well said !

Hillbillies use simple numeric flimflammery to "prove" climate
change is impossible. CO2 is only .003% of the atm they say.

Current rockets are not designed to go to the nearest star so
it's misleading to use their performance to "prove" anything about
interstellar travel.

A more rational comparison would be to use walking speed.
Voyager 1 is now 14 billion miles out. That would take 300,000 years
at walking speed. "Impossible" trip.

The trouble with the group gimlicks is even the most fantastical
speculation that something is possible is more reasonable than
the most vociferous claim that something is impossible.

In the latter case being unable to make an argument that doesnt
contain some gradeschoo level fallacy like appeal to ingorance
or circular logic doesnt help that side of the ledger at all.

--
[The appeal of ignorance:]

"Mo":
We go to the beach regularly, there are dolphins, fish, crabs etc.
What kind of retard would you have to be to think there are actual aliens
lurking in the oceans lol!
-- 13 Feb 2022 20:48:44

An Appeal To Ignorance is a fallacy based on there supposedly being no
evidence or no evidence known or that what evidence has been presented
is not evidence at all for some proposition hence the opposite must be
true. One variation is called the pig-headed appeal to ignorance when
it boils down to what the claimant says they don't know or can't
accept themselves rather than what is generally said to be known or
not known.

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