This was a long time coming. Previously you could use the web version of
WhatsApp by scanning a QR code on the screen with your phone, but now
you can use the actual app on mobile devices.

<https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/apps/news/you-can-now-use-one-whatsapp-account-on-up-to-four-phones-heres-how/articleshow/99778779.cms#>

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:34:33 -0700, sms wrote:
> This was a long time coming. Previously you could use the web version of
> WhatsApp by scanning a QR code on the screen with your phone, but now
> you can use the actual app on mobile devices.
>
> <https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/apps/news/you-can-now-use-one-whatsapp-account-on-up-to-four-phones-heres-how/articleshow/99778779.cms#>

thanks for that good news

On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:34:33 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>This was a long time coming. Previously you could use the web version of
>WhatsApp by scanning a QR code on the screen with your phone, but now
>you can use the actual app on mobile devices.
>
><https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/apps/news/you-can-now-use-one-whatsapp-account-on-up-to-four-phones-heres-how/articleshow/99778779.cms#>

It would be ever easier if you could log in to WhatsApp with a user id
and password. That's how Facebook, and most other services work. Tying
a WhatsApp account to a mobile phone number is unnecessary and
inconvenient.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 10:47:14 +0100, Chris in Makati wrote:

> It would be ever easier if you could log in to WhatsApp with a user id
> and password. That's how Facebook, and most other services work. Tying
> a WhatsApp account to a mobile phone number is unnecessary and
> inconvenient.

that login is probably how they do it but be careful what you wish for as
this is meta so ask if you really want a login to meta on your computers

In comp.mobile.android Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:34:33 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >This was a long time coming. Previously you could use the web version of
> >WhatsApp by scanning a QR code on the screen with your phone, but now
> >you can use the actual app on mobile devices.
> >
> ><https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/apps/news/you-can-now-use-one-whatsapp-account-on-up-to-four-phones-heres-how/articleshow/99778779.cms#>
>
> It would be ever easier if you could log in to WhatsApp with a user id
> and password. That's how Facebook, and most other services work. Tying
> a WhatsApp account to a mobile phone number is unnecessary and
> inconvenient.

They have such a service. It's called Facebook Messenger.
They wanted to merge them:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/technology/facebook-instagram-whatsapp-messenger.html

but this has been taking a while. There are privacy and regulatory
challenges, for one thing.

Theo

Chris in Makati wrote:

>It would be ever easier if you could log in to WhatsApp with a user id
>and password.

Isn't it true that companies are trying to do away with
username/password systems?

--
"Progress might have been all right once, but it has gone on too long."
~ Ogden Nash

In article <xn0o13bkc8mejmx001@reader443.eternal-september.org>,
badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:

> Isn't it true that companies are trying to do away with
> username/password systems?

it is true, but that's going to take a while.

On 4/27/2023 8:33 AM, Theo wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:34:33 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This was a long time coming. Previously you could use the web version of
>>> WhatsApp by scanning a QR code on the screen with your phone, but now
>>> you can use the actual app on mobile devices.
>>>
>>> <https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/apps/news/you-can-now-use-one-whatsapp-account-on-up-to-four-phones-heres-how/articleshow/99778779.cms#>
>>
>> It would be ever easier if you could log in to WhatsApp with a user id
>> and password. That's how Facebook, and most other services work. Tying
>> a WhatsApp account to a mobile phone number is unnecessary and
>> inconvenient.
>
> They have such a service. It's called Facebook Messenger.
> They wanted to merge them:
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/technology/facebook-instagram-whatsapp-messenger.html
>
> but this has been taking a while. There are privacy and regulatory
> challenges, for one thing.

There are security reasons why they tie the service to a phone number.
It's meant to be a replacement for SMS, and it does essentially serve
that purpose in much of Europe, in India, some other parts of Asia, and
in parts of Central and South America.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 2023-04-27 20:45, sms wrote:
> On 4/27/2023 8:33 AM, Theo wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:34:33 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This was a long time coming. Previously you could use the web
>>>> version of
>>>> WhatsApp by scanning a QR code on the screen with your phone, but now
>>>> you can use the actual app on mobile devices.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/apps/news/you-can-now-use-one-whatsapp-account-on-up-to-four-phones-heres-how/articleshow/99778779.cms#>
>>>
>>> It would be ever easier if you could log in to WhatsApp with a user id
>>> and password. That's how Facebook, and most other services work. Tying
>>> a WhatsApp account to a mobile phone number is unnecessary and
>>> inconvenient.
>>
>> They have such a service.  It's called Facebook Messenger.
>> They wanted to merge them:
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/technology/facebook-instagram-whatsapp-messenger.html
>>
>> but this has been taking a while.  There are privacy and regulatory
>> challenges, for one thing.
>
> There are security reasons why they tie the service to a phone number.
> It's meant to be a replacement for SMS, and it does essentially serve
> that purpose in much of Europe, in India, some other parts of Asia, and
> in parts of Central and South America.

Correct.

I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
consider it a messaging app (private).

The context was Spain.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 4/27/2023 2:11 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

<snip>

> Correct.
>
> I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
> that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
> consider it a messaging app (private).
>
> The context was Spain.

Interesting. I can't see how it could be classified as a social network.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 27 Apr 2023 23:11:21 +0200, "Carlos
E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2023-04-27 20:45, sms wrote:
>> On 4/27/2023 8:33 AM, Theo wrote:
>>> In comp.mobile.android Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:34:33 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This was a long time coming. Previously you could use the web
>>>>> version of
>>>>> WhatsApp by scanning a QR code on the screen with your phone, but now
>>>>> you can use the actual app on mobile devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/apps/news/you-can-now-use-one-whatsapp-account-on-up-to-four-phones-heres-how/articleshow/99778779.cms#>
>>>>
>>>> It would be ever easier if you could log in to WhatsApp with a user id
>>>> and password. That's how Facebook, and most other services work. Tying
>>>> a WhatsApp account to a mobile phone number is unnecessary and
>>>> inconvenient.
>>>
>>> They have such a service.  It's called Facebook Messenger.
>>> They wanted to merge them:
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/technology/facebook-instagram-whatsapp-messenger.html
>>>
>>> but this has been taking a while.  There are privacy and regulatory
>>> challenges, for one thing.
>>
>> There are security reasons why they tie the service to a phone number.
>> It's meant to be a replacement for SMS, and it does essentially serve
>> that purpose in much of Europe, in India, some other parts of Asia, and
>> in parts of Central and South America.
>
>Correct.
>
>I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
>that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
>consider it a messaging app (private).

Is Usenet a social network?
>
>The context was Spain.

Any country.

If the obnoxious central government here, USA, were to limit social
networks to those over 13 or with parental permission, how would that be
enforced?

In comp.mobile.android sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/27/2023 2:11 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Correct.
> >
> > I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
> > that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
> > consider it a messaging app (private).
> >
> > The context was Spain.
>
> Interesting. I can't see how it could be classified as a social network.

People use WA group chats much like they use Facebook groups or mailing
lists - ie a to-many communication system. You can get invites to group
chats much like you'd get invites to mailing lists or other closed groups.

Theo

On 2023-04-28 11:38, Theo wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/27/2023 2:11 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
>>> that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
>>> consider it a messaging app (private).
>>>
>>> The context was Spain.
>>
>> Interesting. I can't see how it could be classified as a social network.
>
> People use WA group chats much like they use Facebook groups or mailing
> lists - ie a to-many communication system. You can get invites to group
> chats much like you'd get invites to mailing lists or other closed groups.

There was a change related to that here.

It is an offence (crime in USA English) to add someone to a group
without his/her permission.

It is related to data protection laws.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 23:11:21 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2023-04-27 20:45, sms wrote:
>> On 4/27/2023 8:33 AM, Theo wrote:
>>> In comp.mobile.android Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:34:33 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This was a long time coming. Previously you could use the web
>>>>> version of
>>>>> WhatsApp by scanning a QR code on the screen with your phone, but now
>>>>> you can use the actual app on mobile devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/apps/news/you-can-now-use-one-whatsapp-account-on-up-to-four-phones-heres-how/articleshow/99778779.cms#>
>>>>
>>>> It would be ever easier if you could log in to WhatsApp with a user id
>>>> and password. That's how Facebook, and most other services work. Tying
>>>> a WhatsApp account to a mobile phone number is unnecessary and
>>>> inconvenient.
>>>
>>> They have such a service.  It's called Facebook Messenger.
>>> They wanted to merge them:
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/technology/facebook-instagram-whatsapp-messenger.html
>>>
>>> but this has been taking a while.  There are privacy and regulatory
>>> challenges, for one thing.
>>
>> There are security reasons why they tie the service to a phone number.
>> It's meant to be a replacement for SMS, and it does essentially serve
>> that purpose in much of Europe, in India, some other parts of Asia, and
>> in parts of Central and South America.
>
>Correct.
>
>I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
>that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
>consider it a messaging app (private).

I fall into the "older people" category. I consider it something I
have no interest in, and I'm not interested in its details.

On 4/28/2023 9:19 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 23:11:21 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-04-27 20:45, sms wrote:
>>> On 4/27/2023 8:33 AM, Theo wrote:
>>>> In comp.mobile.android Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:34:33 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This was a long time coming. Previously you could use the web
>>>>>> version of
>>>>>> WhatsApp by scanning a QR code on the screen with your phone, but now
>>>>>> you can use the actual app on mobile devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/apps/news/you-can-now-use-one-whatsapp-account-on-up-to-four-phones-heres-how/articleshow/99778779.cms#>
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be ever easier if you could log in to WhatsApp with a user id
>>>>> and password. That's how Facebook, and most other services work. Tying
>>>>> a WhatsApp account to a mobile phone number is unnecessary and
>>>>> inconvenient.
>>>>
>>>> They have such a service.  It's called Facebook Messenger.
>>>> They wanted to merge them:
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/technology/facebook-instagram-whatsapp-messenger.html
>>>>
>>>> but this has been taking a while.  There are privacy and regulatory
>>>> challenges, for one thing.
>>>
>>> There are security reasons why they tie the service to a phone number.
>>> It's meant to be a replacement for SMS, and it does essentially serve
>>> that purpose in much of Europe, in India, some other parts of Asia, and
>>> in parts of Central and South America.
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>> I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
>> that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
>> consider it a messaging app (private).
>
>
> I fall into the "older people" category. I consider it something I
> have no interest in, and I'm not interested in its details.

Oh, OK. Thanks for that very helpful information.

Theo wrote:

>> Interesting. I can't see how it could be classified as a social
>>network.
>
>People use WA group chats much like they use Facebook groups or
>mailing lists - ie a to-many communication system. You can get
>invites to group chats much like you'd get invites to mailing lists
>or other closed groups.

I use WhatsApp as a group chat with my family in Europe. My family
posts all sort of social, political, humorous, and personal videos or
pictures.

--
“The more things change, the more they remain the same.” ~ Alphonse Karr

On 2023-04-28 16:19, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 23:11:21 +0200, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-04-27 20:45, sms wrote:
>>> On 4/27/2023 8:33 AM, Theo wrote:
>>>> In comp.mobile.android Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:34:33 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This was a long time coming. Previously you could use the web
>>>>>> version of
>>>>>> WhatsApp by scanning a QR code on the screen with your phone, but now
>>>>>> you can use the actual app on mobile devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/apps/news/you-can-now-use-one-whatsapp-account-on-up-to-four-phones-heres-how/articleshow/99778779.cms#>
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be ever easier if you could log in to WhatsApp with a user id
>>>>> and password. That's how Facebook, and most other services work. Tying
>>>>> a WhatsApp account to a mobile phone number is unnecessary and
>>>>> inconvenient.
>>>>
>>>> They have such a service.  It's called Facebook Messenger.
>>>> They wanted to merge them:
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/technology/facebook-instagram-whatsapp-messenger.html
>>>>
>>>> but this has been taking a while.  There are privacy and regulatory
>>>> challenges, for one thing.
>>>
>>> There are security reasons why they tie the service to a phone number.
>>> It's meant to be a replacement for SMS, and it does essentially serve
>>> that purpose in much of Europe, in India, some other parts of Asia, and
>>> in parts of Central and South America.
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>> I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
>> that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
>> consider it a messaging app (private).
>
>
> I fall into the "older people" category. I consider it something I
> have no interest in, and I'm not interested in its details.

I also fall in that "older people" category, and it is an application
that I use every day, a lot. Anything from just idle talk with friends
or family, to business issues with my plumber or insurance company.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote:

>I also fall in that "older people" category, and it is an application
>that I use every day, a lot. Anything from just idle talk with
>friends or family, to business issues with my plumber or insurance
>company.

Do you live somewhere other than America? I know WhatsApp is hugely
popular everywhere else and is used as a messaging app, but in America
we don't use it that way.

--
Politicians, like diapers, have to be changed frequently - and for the
very same reason.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-04-28 16:19, Ken Blake wrote:
> > On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 23:11:21 +0200, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
[...]

> >> I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
> >> that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
> >> consider it a messaging app (private).
> >
> >
> > I fall into the "older people" category. I consider it something I
> > have no interest in, and I'm not interested in its details.
>
> I also fall in that "older people" category, and it is an application
> that I use every day, a lot. Anything from just idle talk with friends
> or family, to business issues with my plumber or insurance company.

Come on! What *is* it with that new-fangled crap? Can't you use a FAX
like everybody else!?

And why would you use instant messaging, when you can use slow
messaging, like email or letters or carrier pigeons?

Sorry, have to dash, have to light the fire for the smoke signals!

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 19:19:19 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2023-04-28 16:19, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 23:11:21 +0200, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2023-04-27 20:45, sms wrote:
>>>> On 4/27/2023 8:33 AM, Theo wrote:
>>>>> In comp.mobile.android Chris in Makati <mail@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2023 11:34:33 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was a long time coming. Previously you could use the web
>>>>>>> version of
>>>>>>> WhatsApp by scanning a QR code on the screen with your phone, but now
>>>>>>> you can use the actual app on mobile devices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/apps/news/you-can-now-use-one-whatsapp-account-on-up-to-four-phones-heres-how/articleshow/99778779.cms#>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be ever easier if you could log in to WhatsApp with a user id
>>>>>> and password. That's how Facebook, and most other services work. Tying
>>>>>> a WhatsApp account to a mobile phone number is unnecessary and
>>>>>> inconvenient.
>>>>>
>>>>> They have such a service.  It's called Facebook Messenger.
>>>>> They wanted to merge them:
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/technology/facebook-instagram-whatsapp-messenger.html
>>>>>
>>>>> but this has been taking a while.  There are privacy and regulatory
>>>>> challenges, for one thing.
>>>>
>>>> There are security reasons why they tie the service to a phone number.
>>>> It's meant to be a replacement for SMS, and it does essentially serve
>>>> that purpose in much of Europe, in India, some other parts of Asia, and
>>>> in parts of Central and South America.
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
>>> that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
>>> consider it a messaging app (private).
>>
>>
>> I fall into the "older people" category. I consider it something I
>> have no interest in, and I'm not interested in its details.
>
>I also fall in that "older people" category, and it is an application
>that I use every day, a lot. Anything from just idle talk with friends
>or family, to business issues with my plumber or insurance company.

We're all different.

On 28 Apr 2023 17:45:54 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-04-28 16:19, Ken Blake wrote:
>> > On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 23:11:21 +0200, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>[...]
>
>> >> I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
>> >> that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
>> >> consider it a messaging app (private).
>> >
>> >
>> > I fall into the "older people" category. I consider it something I
>> > have no interest in, and I'm not interested in its details.
>>
>> I also fall in that "older people" category, and it is an application
>> that I use every day, a lot. Anything from just idle talk with friends
>> or family, to business issues with my plumber or insurance company.
>
> Come on! What *is* it with that new-fangled crap? Can't you use a FAX
>like everybody else!?

It's amazing to me that fax is still used.

> And why would you use instant messaging, when you can use slow
>messaging, like email or letters or carrier pigeons?

Letters? Yes, slow.

Carrier pigeons? Slow, or pretty fast, depending on how far they have
to travel.

But e-mail? Yes, it's usually not as fast as instant messaging, but
it's almost always still very fast.

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> I also fall in that "older people" category, and it is an application
>> that I use every day, a lot. Anything from just idle talk with
>> friends or family, to business issues with my plumber or insurance
>> company.
>
> Do you live somewhere other than America? I know WhatsApp is hugely
> popular everywhere else and is used as a messaging app, but in America
> we don't use it that way.

How else can you use it? It *is* a messaging app.

On 2023-04-28 10:19, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 23:11:21 +0200, "Carlos E.R."

>> I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
>> that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
>> consider it a messaging app (private).
>
>
> I fall into the "older people" category. I consider it something I
> have no interest in, and I'm not interested in its details.

But you're commenting because?

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee

On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 15:23:55 -0400, Alan Browne
<bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

>On 2023-04-28 10:19, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 23:11:21 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>
>>> I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
>>> that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
>>> consider it a messaging app (private).
>>
>>
>> I fall into the "older people" category. I consider it something I
>> have no interest in, and I'm not interested in its details.
>
>But you're commenting because?

I was merely pointing out that not all older people
consider it a messaging app (private).

Feel free to ignore my comment. Or killfile me if you prefer to.

On 2023-04-28 16:53, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 15:23:55 -0400, Alan Browne
> <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-04-28 10:19, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 23:11:21 +0200, "Carlos E.R."
>>
>>>> I heard, though, a curious comment on the radio the other day. They said
>>>> that young people consider WhatsApp a social network, but older people
>>>> consider it a messaging app (private).
>>>
>>>
>>> I fall into the "older people" category. I consider it something I
>>> have no interest in, and I'm not interested in its details.
===================

>>
>> But you're commenting because?
>
> I was merely pointing out that not all older people
> consider it a messaging app (private).
>
> Feel free to ignore my comment. Or killfile me if you prefer to.

--
“Donald Trump and his allies and supporters are a clear and present
danger to American democracy.”
- J Michael Luttig - 2022-06-16
- Former US appellate court judge (R) testifying to the January 6
committee