I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort. He is entitled to his opinion but surely he sees that the overwhelming majority of people do not agree with him. So why argue his viewpoint?

Jay is arguing I think basically out of fear that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines after MANY doctors are now speaking out that they have diagnosed the exact problems that other virologists warned about with mRNA vaccines.

We HAVE to accept that this could become a problem and work on actual treatments for these problems and not try to sweep it under the carpet.

Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines that have shown in animal studies to kill as many as 100% of the test group.

The Lame Stream Media IMMEDIATELY fought Chloroquine because Trump said that it was a treatment that didn't require billions of dollars paid to pharmaceutical companies. Well EVERY actual double blind study has found that it is cheap and effect in treating covid-19.

Here you have 5% of the population taking a drug for an entire lifetime and we have Democrats claiming that being in the same room with it will kill you.

There are at least three other treatments for it as well. Actually Aleve and Vitamin D3 and zinc work as well as anything. Didn't know that Aleve had antiviral properties did you? The Lame Stream Media has purposely kept you in the dark.

And why are we trying to destroy the entire world for an illness with a mortality rate so low that it is half of your chance of dying from an auto accident?

We know why the Democrats embraced it - to falsify an election. But why has Australia locked the entire country down and New Zealand went so far as to jail people for talking to their neighbors?

If you die from natural causes and then test positive for covid-19 that is NOT a covid-19 death. I have shown you the Fauci claim of 600,000+ deaths from covid-19 is a complete lie. My digging deeply into the CDC statistics shows that 2,000 extra people died from respiratory disease in March and April of 2020 AND NONE SINCE. Covid-19 is a respiratory disease.

In 2021 there have been absolutely NO DEATHS ABOVE THE NORMAL LEVELS for ANY illnesses. Why is Gavin Loathsome and County Supervisors demanding that everyone wear a mask?

If you are willing to allow yourself to be made a fool of don't be surprised if they aren't standing in line to do so.

On 8/19/2021 12:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort.

That's straw man bullshit. I never said that.

> Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines ...

More bullshit, even farther away from reality.

Take your medicine, Tom.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 10:31:05 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 8/19/2021 12:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort.
> That's straw man bullshit. I never said that.
>
> > Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines ...
>
> More bullshit, even farther away from reality.
>
> Take your medicine, Tom.

Frank stop being ridiculous - you have been saying that anything newer than your grocery bike is unnecessary. Fine if you mean that it isn't necessary for you but that wasn't your argument.

If you wish to believe that these vaccines the components of which are supposedly a TRADE SECRET and so cannot be published are perfectly safe then that is your right. Just like it is your right to believe that Biden has done a wonderful job for this country as you so plainly believe. But I have shown the absolutely lies of Fauci, I have shown that rather than 600,000+ deaths from covid-19 there has only been about 2,000 and those were entirely in March and April of 2020. We are presently inundated with fear campaign larger than anything I have ever seen threatening us with death by covid DESPITE the fact that I have shown the CDC statistics showing NO DEATHS WHATSOEVER above normal levels since December of 2020.

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/08/19/shocking-uk-government-release-29th-report-on-adverse-reactions-to-the-covid-19-vaccines/

blob:https://mewe.com/45d7e344-8ff9-4a2e-a78f-96c9a21ef7f6

https://thetruedefender.com/watch-german-physicians-reveal-horrific-findings-in-the-blood-of-vaxxed-patients/

The fact is that you're as good as dead now Frank. Perhaps it is you who shouldn't have taken your medicine. With your grand knowledge of how your kind knows all there is to know, you have started your own demise. I don't believe that I will be meeting YOU in heaven when I go.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 13:31:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 8/19/2021 12:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort.
>
>That's straw man bullshit. I never said that.
>
>> Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines ...
>
>More bullshit, even farther away from reality.
>
>Take your medicine, Tom.

But Frank! The earth really IS flat and the moon really IS blue
cheese!
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 15:07:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 10:31:05 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 8/19/2021 12:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort.
>> That's straw man bullshit. I never said that.
>>
>> > Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines ...
>>
>> More bullshit, even farther away from reality.
>>
>> Take your medicine, Tom.
>
>Frank stop being ridiculous - you have been saying that anything newer than your grocery bike is unnecessary. Fine if you mean that it isn't necessary for you but that wasn't your argument.
>
>If you wish to believe that these vaccines the components of which are supposedly a TRADE SECRET and so cannot be published are perfectly safe then that is your right. Just like it is your right to believe that Biden has done a wonderful job for this country as you so plainly believe. But I have shown the absolutely lies of Fauci, I have shown that rather than 600,000+ deaths from covid-19 there has only been about 2,000 and those were entirely in March and April of 2020. We are presently inundated with fear campaign larger than anything I have ever seen threatening us with death by covid DESPITE the fact that I have shown the CDC statistics showing NO DEATHS WHATSOEVER above normal levels since December of 2020.
>
>https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/08/19/shocking-uk-government-release-29th-report-on-adverse-reactions-to-the-covid-19-vaccines/
>
>blob:https://mewe.com/45d7e344-8ff9-4a2e-a78f-96c9a21ef7f6
>
>https://thetruedefender.com/watch-german-physicians-reveal-horrific-findings-in-the-blood-of-vaxxed-patients/
>
>The fact is that you're as good as dead now Frank. Perhaps it is you who shouldn't have taken your medicine. With your grand knowledge of how your kind knows all there is to know, you have started your own demise. I don't believe that I will be meeting YOU in heaven when I go.

See there Frank, Tommy, not only designed all those wonderful machines
but now, apparently, claims to sit on the Right Hand of the Christian
God selecting those who will spend eternity in Heaven.
--
Cheers,

John B.

One has to wonder if these two mindless clowns, Frank Krygowski and John B. Shorts even stopped to think if what Tom says is true before they started abusing Tom. Or are they abusing Tom for being right when they have been wrong. For instance, I'd rather believe the Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, Ireland, than any of the clowns on RBT hounding Tom.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/df0ca-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-wednesday-18-august/

"For every fully vaccinated confirmed case of COVID-19, we know that vaccines are preventing about 4 other cases." -- Dr. Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health

So, vaccination doesn't make you immune to COVID-19. You still stand a 1 in 5 chance of contracting the virus. I had better odds than that when I was a motor racer, a speedboat racer, a plane racer, an offshore yacht racing crossing the Southern Ocean and making passage around Cape Horn, and fighting in brush wars. So much for the "faith" of the clowns on RBT.

Remember, monkeys, Tom told you first.

Andre Jute
Thanks to Dr Holohan for confirming what I knew all along, that the street corner thugs on RBT are more ignorant than the poor people in the ghettoes of Chicago and Detroit.

On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 5:50:34 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort. He is entitled to his opinion but surely he sees that the overwhelming majority of people do not agree with him. So why argue his viewpoint?
>
> Jay is arguing I think basically out of fear that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines after MANY doctors are now speaking out that they have diagnosed the exact problems that other virologists warned about with mRNA vaccines.
>
> We HAVE to accept that this could become a problem and work on actual treatments for these problems and not try to sweep it under the carpet.
>
> Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines that have shown in animal studies to kill as many as 100% of the test group.
>
> The Lame Stream Media IMMEDIATELY fought Chloroquine because Trump said that it was a treatment that didn't require billions of dollars paid to pharmaceutical companies. Well EVERY actual double blind study has found that it is cheap and effect in treating covid-19.
>
> Here you have 5% of the population taking a drug for an entire lifetime and we have Democrats claiming that being in the same room with it will kill you.
>
> There are at least three other treatments for it as well. Actually Aleve and Vitamin D3 and zinc work as well as anything. Didn't know that Aleve had antiviral properties did you? The Lame Stream Media has purposely kept you in the dark.
>
> And why are we trying to destroy the entire world for an illness with a mortality rate so low that it is half of your chance of dying from an auto accident?
>
> We know why the Democrats embraced it - to falsify an election. But why has Australia locked the entire country down and New Zealand went so far as to jail people for talking to their neighbors?
>
> If you die from natural causes and then test positive for covid-19 that is NOT a covid-19 death. I have shown you the Fauci claim of 600,000+ deaths from covid-19 is a complete lie. My digging deeply into the CDC statistics shows that 2,000 extra people died from respiratory disease in March and April of 2020 AND NONE SINCE. Covid-19 is a respiratory disease.
>
> In 2021 there have been absolutely NO DEATHS ABOVE THE NORMAL LEVELS for ANY illnesses. Why is Gavin Loathsome and County Supervisors demanding that everyone wear a mask?
>
> If you are willing to allow yourself to be made a fool of don't be surprised if they aren't standing in line to do so.

On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:05:22 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> One has to wonder if these two mindless clowns, Frank Krygowski and John B. Shorts even stopped to think if what Tom says is true before they started abusing Tom. Or are they abusing Tom for being right when they have been wrong. For instance, I'd rather believe the Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, Ireland, than any of the clowns on RBT hounding Tom.
>
> https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/df0ca-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-wednesday-18-august/
>
> "For every fully vaccinated confirmed case of COVID-19, we know that vaccines are preventing about 4 other cases." -- Dr. Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health
>
> So, vaccination doesn't make you immune to COVID-19. You still stand a 1 in 5 chance of contracting the virus. I had better odds than that when I was a motor racer, a speedboat racer, a plane racer, an offshore yacht racing crossing the Southern Ocean and making passage around Cape Horn, and fighting in brush wars. So much for the "faith" of the clowns on RBT.
>
> Remember, monkeys, Tom told you first.
>
> Andre Jute
> Thanks to Dr Holohan for confirming what I knew all along, that the street corner thugs on RBT are more ignorant than the poor people in the ghettoes of Chicago and Detroit.
> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 5:50:34 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort. He is entitled to his opinion but surely he sees that the overwhelming majority of people do not agree with him. So why argue his viewpoint?
> >
> > Jay is arguing I think basically out of fear that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines after MANY doctors are now speaking out that they have diagnosed the exact problems that other virologists warned about with mRNA vaccines.
> >
> > We HAVE to accept that this could become a problem and work on actual treatments for these problems and not try to sweep it under the carpet.
> >
> > Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines that have shown in animal studies to kill as many as 100% of the test group.
> >
> > The Lame Stream Media IMMEDIATELY fought Chloroquine because Trump said that it was a treatment that didn't require billions of dollars paid to pharmaceutical companies. Well EVERY actual double blind study has found that it is cheap and effect in treating covid-19.
> >
> > Here you have 5% of the population taking a drug for an entire lifetime and we have Democrats claiming that being in the same room with it will kill you.
> >
> > There are at least three other treatments for it as well. Actually Aleve and Vitamin D3 and zinc work as well as anything. Didn't know that Aleve had antiviral properties did you? The Lame Stream Media has purposely kept you in the dark.
> >
> > And why are we trying to destroy the entire world for an illness with a mortality rate so low that it is half of your chance of dying from an auto accident?
> >
> > We know why the Democrats embraced it - to falsify an election. But why has Australia locked the entire country down and New Zealand went so far as to jail people for talking to their neighbors?
> >
> > If you die from natural causes and then test positive for covid-19 that is NOT a covid-19 death. I have shown you the Fauci claim of 600,000+ deaths from covid-19 is a complete lie. My digging deeply into the CDC statistics shows that 2,000 extra people died from respiratory disease in March and April of 2020 AND NONE SINCE. Covid-19 is a respiratory disease.
> >
> > In 2021 there have been absolutely NO DEATHS ABOVE THE NORMAL LEVELS for ANY illnesses. Why is Gavin Loathsome and County Supervisors demanding that everyone wear a mask?
> >
> > If you are willing to allow yourself to be made a fool of don't be surprised if they aren't standing in line to do so.

Frank and John would both rather believe King Fauci than the actual tests showing that the vaccines are dangerous and perhaps give you more of a chance of dying than the covid. Imagine excitedly standing in line to get a "vaccine" that killed 100% of the animals in the tests. Seems like the sort of thing that John would do. Frank simply chooses not to believe fact. That has been his life's story.

On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:05:22 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > One has to wonder if these two mindless clowns, Frank Krygowski and John B. Shorts even stopped to think if what Tom says is true before they started abusing Tom. Or are they abusing Tom for being right when they have been wrong. For instance, I'd rather believe the Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, Ireland, than any of the clowns on RBT hounding Tom.
> >
> > https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/df0ca-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-wednesday-18-august/
> >
> > "For every fully vaccinated confirmed case of COVID-19, we know that vaccines are preventing about 4 other cases." -- Dr. Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health
> >
> > So, vaccination doesn't make you immune to COVID-19. You still stand a 1 in 5 chance of contracting the virus. I had better odds than that when I was a motor racer, a speedboat racer, a plane racer, an offshore yacht racing crossing the Southern Ocean and making passage around Cape Horn, and fighting in brush wars. So much for the "faith" of the clowns on RBT.
> >
> > Remember, monkeys, Tom told you first.
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > Thanks to Dr Holohan for confirming what I knew all along, that the street corner thugs on RBT are more ignorant than the poor people in the ghettoes of Chicago and Detroit.
> > On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 5:50:34 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort. He is entitled to his opinion but surely he sees that the overwhelming majority of people do not agree with him. So why argue his viewpoint?
> > >
> > > Jay is arguing I think basically out of fear that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines after MANY doctors are now speaking out that they have diagnosed the exact problems that other virologists warned about with mRNA vaccines.
> > >
> > > We HAVE to accept that this could become a problem and work on actual treatments for these problems and not try to sweep it under the carpet.
> > >
> > > Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines that have shown in animal studies to kill as many as 100% of the test group.
> > >
> > > The Lame Stream Media IMMEDIATELY fought Chloroquine because Trump said that it was a treatment that didn't require billions of dollars paid to pharmaceutical companies. Well EVERY actual double blind study has found that it is cheap and effect in treating covid-19.
> > >
> > > Here you have 5% of the population taking a drug for an entire lifetime and we have Democrats claiming that being in the same room with it will kill you.
> > >
> > > There are at least three other treatments for it as well. Actually Aleve and Vitamin D3 and zinc work as well as anything. Didn't know that Aleve had antiviral properties did you? The Lame Stream Media has purposely kept you in the dark.
> > >
> > > And why are we trying to destroy the entire world for an illness with a mortality rate so low that it is half of your chance of dying from an auto accident?
> > >
> > > We know why the Democrats embraced it - to falsify an election. But why has Australia locked the entire country down and New Zealand went so far as to jail people for talking to their neighbors?
> > >
> > > If you die from natural causes and then test positive for covid-19 that is NOT a covid-19 death. I have shown you the Fauci claim of 600,000+ deaths from covid-19 is a complete lie. My digging deeply into the CDC statistics shows that 2,000 extra people died from respiratory disease in March and April of 2020 AND NONE SINCE. Covid-19 is a respiratory disease.
> > >
> > > In 2021 there have been absolutely NO DEATHS ABOVE THE NORMAL LEVELS for ANY illnesses. Why is Gavin Loathsome and County Supervisors demanding that everyone wear a mask?
> > >
> > > If you are willing to allow yourself to be made a fool of don't be surprised if they aren't standing in line to do so.
> Frank and John would both rather believe King Fauci than the actual tests showing that the vaccines are dangerous and perhaps give you more of a chance of dying than the covid. Imagine excitedly standing in line to get a "vaccine" that killed 100% of the animals in the tests. Seems like the sort of thing that John would do. Frank simply chooses not to believe fact. That has been his life's story.

I guess I should give you my take on those vaccines. I think that they are POSSIBLY dangerous if they are injected into a site with a lot of blood vessels. Usually they use the upper arm because it has a paucity of blood vessels. So I really do not believe that the vaccines are all as dangerous as is being elated by virologists who are looking at the Dark Side because that is what their jobs are.

On 8/20/2021 3:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:05:22 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> One has to wonder if these two mindless clowns, Frank Krygowski and John B. Shorts even stopped to think if what Tom says is true before they started abusing Tom. Or are they abusing Tom for being right when they have been wrong. For instance, I'd rather believe the Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, Ireland, than any of the clowns on RBT hounding Tom.
>>>
>>> https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/df0ca-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-wednesday-18-august/
>>>
>>> "For every fully vaccinated confirmed case of COVID-19, we know that vaccines are preventing about 4 other cases." -- Dr. Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health
>>>
>>> So, vaccination doesn't make you immune to COVID-19. You still stand a 1 in 5 chance of contracting the virus. I had better odds than that when I was a motor racer, a speedboat racer, a plane racer, an offshore yacht racing crossing the Southern Ocean and making passage around Cape Horn, and fighting in brush wars. So much for the "faith" of the clowns on RBT.
>>>
>>> Remember, monkeys, Tom told you first.
>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> Thanks to Dr Holohan for confirming what I knew all along, that the street corner thugs on RBT are more ignorant than the poor people in the ghettoes of Chicago and Detroit.
>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 5:50:34 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort. He is entitled to his opinion but surely he sees that the overwhelming majority of people do not agree with him. So why argue his viewpoint?
>>>>
>>>> Jay is arguing I think basically out of fear that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines after MANY doctors are now speaking out that they have diagnosed the exact problems that other virologists warned about with mRNA vaccines.
>>>>
>>>> We HAVE to accept that this could become a problem and work on actual treatments for these problems and not try to sweep it under the carpet.
>>>>
>>>> Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines that have shown in animal studies to kill as many as 100% of the test group.
>>>>
>>>> The Lame Stream Media IMMEDIATELY fought Chloroquine because Trump said that it was a treatment that didn't require billions of dollars paid to pharmaceutical companies. Well EVERY actual double blind study has found that it is cheap and effect in treating covid-19.
>>>>
>>>> Here you have 5% of the population taking a drug for an entire lifetime and we have Democrats claiming that being in the same room with it will kill you.
>>>>
>>>> There are at least three other treatments for it as well. Actually Aleve and Vitamin D3 and zinc work as well as anything. Didn't know that Aleve had antiviral properties did you? The Lame Stream Media has purposely kept you in the dark.
>>>>
>>>> And why are we trying to destroy the entire world for an illness with a mortality rate so low that it is half of your chance of dying from an auto accident?
>>>>
>>>> We know why the Democrats embraced it - to falsify an election. But why has Australia locked the entire country down and New Zealand went so far as to jail people for talking to their neighbors?
>>>>
>>>> If you die from natural causes and then test positive for covid-19 that is NOT a covid-19 death. I have shown you the Fauci claim of 600,000+ deaths from covid-19 is a complete lie. My digging deeply into the CDC statistics shows that 2,000 extra people died from respiratory disease in March and April of 2020 AND NONE SINCE. Covid-19 is a respiratory disease.
>>>>
>>>> In 2021 there have been absolutely NO DEATHS ABOVE THE NORMAL LEVELS for ANY illnesses. Why is Gavin Loathsome and County Supervisors demanding that everyone wear a mask?
>>>>
>>>> If you are willing to allow yourself to be made a fool of don't be surprised if they aren't standing in line to do so.
>> Frank and John would both rather believe King Fauci than the actual tests showing that the vaccines are dangerous and perhaps give you more of a chance of dying than the covid. Imagine excitedly standing in line to get a "vaccine" that killed 100% of the animals in the tests. Seems like the sort of thing that John would do. Frank simply chooses not to believe fact. That has been his life's story.
>
> I guess I should give you my take on those vaccines. I think that they are POSSIBLY dangerous if they are injected into a site with a lot of blood vessels. Usually they use the upper arm because it has a paucity of blood vessels. So I really do not believe that the vaccines are all as dangerous as is being elated by virologists who are looking at the Dark Side because that is what their jobs are.

Oddly, the research virologist who plays music with me has views that
are extremely different than Tom's. But then, he's got a PhD in the
field and decades of research experience.

It's so hard to decide who I should believe!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 09:38:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:05:22 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> One has to wonder if these two mindless clowns, Frank Krygowski and John B. Shorts even stopped to think if what Tom says is true before they started abusing Tom. Or are they abusing Tom for being right when they have been wrong. For instance, I'd rather believe the Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, Ireland, than any of the clowns on RBT hounding Tom.
>>
>> https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/df0ca-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-wednesday-18-august/
>>
>> "For every fully vaccinated confirmed case of COVID-19, we know that vaccines are preventing about 4 other cases." -- Dr. Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health
>>
>> So, vaccination doesn't make you immune to COVID-19. You still stand a 1 in 5 chance of contracting the virus. I had better odds than that when I was a motor racer, a speedboat racer, a plane racer, an offshore yacht racing crossing the Southern Ocean and making passage around Cape Horn, and fighting in brush wars. So much for the "faith" of the clowns on RBT.
>>
>> Remember, monkeys, Tom told you first.
>>
>> Andre Jute
>> Thanks to Dr Holohan for confirming what I knew all along, that the street corner thugs on RBT are more ignorant than the poor people in the ghettoes of Chicago and Detroit.
>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 5:50:34 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort. He is entitled to his opinion but surely he sees that the overwhelming majority of people do not agree with him. So why argue his viewpoint?
>> >
>> > Jay is arguing I think basically out of fear that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines after MANY doctors are now speaking out that they have diagnosed the exact problems that other virologists warned about with mRNA vaccines.
>> >
>> > We HAVE to accept that this could become a problem and work on actual treatments for these problems and not try to sweep it under the carpet.
>> >
>> > Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines that have shown in animal studies to kill as many as 100% of the test group.
>> >
>> > The Lame Stream Media IMMEDIATELY fought Chloroquine because Trump said that it was a treatment that didn't require billions of dollars paid to pharmaceutical companies. Well EVERY actual double blind study has found that it is cheap and effect in treating covid-19.
>> >
>> > Here you have 5% of the population taking a drug for an entire lifetime and we have Democrats claiming that being in the same room with it will kill you.
>> >
>> > There are at least three other treatments for it as well. Actually Aleve and Vitamin D3 and zinc work as well as anything. Didn't know that Aleve had antiviral properties did you? The Lame Stream Media has purposely kept you in the dark.
>> >
>> > And why are we trying to destroy the entire world for an illness with a mortality rate so low that it is half of your chance of dying from an auto accident?
>> >
>> > We know why the Democrats embraced it - to falsify an election. But why has Australia locked the entire country down and New Zealand went so far as to jail people for talking to their neighbors?
>> >
>> > If you die from natural causes and then test positive for covid-19 that is NOT a covid-19 death. I have shown you the Fauci claim of 600,000+ deaths from covid-19 is a complete lie. My digging deeply into the CDC statistics shows that 2,000 extra people died from respiratory disease in March and April of 2020 AND NONE SINCE. Covid-19 is a respiratory disease.
>> >
>> > In 2021 there have been absolutely NO DEATHS ABOVE THE NORMAL LEVELS for ANY illnesses. Why is Gavin Loathsome and County Supervisors demanding that everyone wear a mask?
>> >
>> > If you are willing to allow yourself to be made a fool of don't be surprised if they aren't standing in line to do so.
>
>Frank and John would both rather believe King Fauci than the actual tests showing that the vaccines are dangerous and perhaps give you more of a chance of dying than the covid. Imagine excitedly standing in line to get a "vaccine" that killed 100% of the animals in the tests. Seems like the sort of thing that John would do. Frank simply chooses not to believe fact. That has been his life's story.

I see, Tommy says that the vaccine is dangerious and kills all the
creatures it was tested on...

Strange isn't it that Thailand, as of 20 Aug, has vaccinated 37.09% of
the entire Thai population so according to Tommy's theory the death
rate in Thailand must be tremendous, people falling down dead in the
streets. But it's just not happening.

So either a miracle has occurred in Thailand or (far more likely)
Tommy, once again, is displaying his ignorance for all the world to
see.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 21 Aug 2021 05:49:36 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 20 Aug 2021 09:38:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:05:22 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> One has to wonder if these two mindless clowns, Frank Krygowski and John B. Shorts even stopped to think if what Tom says is true before they started abusing Tom. Or are they abusing Tom for being right when they have been wrong. For instance, I'd rather believe the Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, Ireland, than any of the clowns on RBT hounding Tom.
>>>
>>> https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/df0ca-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-wednesday-18-august/
>>>
>>> "For every fully vaccinated confirmed case of COVID-19, we know that vaccines are preventing about 4 other cases." -- Dr. Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health
>>>
>>> So, vaccination doesn't make you immune to COVID-19. You still stand a 1 in 5 chance of contracting the virus. I had better odds than that when I was a motor racer, a speedboat racer, a plane racer, an offshore yacht racing crossing the Southern Ocean and making passage around Cape Horn, and fighting in brush wars. So much for the "faith" of the clowns on RBT.
>>>
>>> Remember, monkeys, Tom told you first.
>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> Thanks to Dr Holohan for confirming what I knew all along, that the street corner thugs on RBT are more ignorant than the poor people in the ghettoes of Chicago and Detroit.
>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 5:50:34 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort. He is entitled to his opinion but surely he sees that the overwhelming majority of people do not agree with him. So why argue his viewpoint?
>>> >
>>> > Jay is arguing I think basically out of fear that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines after MANY doctors are now speaking out that they have diagnosed the exact problems that other virologists warned about with mRNA vaccines.
>>> >
>>> > We HAVE to accept that this could become a problem and work on actual treatments for these problems and not try to sweep it under the carpet.
>>> >
>>> > Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines that have shown in animal studies to kill as many as 100% of the test group.
>>> >
>>> > The Lame Stream Media IMMEDIATELY fought Chloroquine because Trump said that it was a treatment that didn't require billions of dollars paid to pharmaceutical companies. Well EVERY actual double blind study has found that it is cheap and effect in treating covid-19.
>>> >
>>> > Here you have 5% of the population taking a drug for an entire lifetime and we have Democrats claiming that being in the same room with it will kill you.
>>> >
>>> > There are at least three other treatments for it as well. Actually Aleve and Vitamin D3 and zinc work as well as anything. Didn't know that Aleve had antiviral properties did you? The Lame Stream Media has purposely kept you in the dark.
>>> >
>>> > And why are we trying to destroy the entire world for an illness with a mortality rate so low that it is half of your chance of dying from an auto accident?
>>> >
>>> > We know why the Democrats embraced it - to falsify an election. But why has Australia locked the entire country down and New Zealand went so far as to jail people for talking to their neighbors?
>>> >
>>> > If you die from natural causes and then test positive for covid-19 that is NOT a covid-19 death. I have shown you the Fauci claim of 600,000+ deaths from covid-19 is a complete lie. My digging deeply into the CDC statistics shows that 2,000 extra people died from respiratory disease in March and April of 2020 AND NONE SINCE. Covid-19 is a respiratory disease.
>>> >
>>> > In 2021 there have been absolutely NO DEATHS ABOVE THE NORMAL LEVELS for ANY illnesses. Why is Gavin Loathsome and County Supervisors demanding that everyone wear a mask?
>>> >
>>> > If you are willing to allow yourself to be made a fool of don't be surprised if they aren't standing in line to do so.
>>
>>Frank and John would both rather believe King Fauci than the actual tests showing that the vaccines are dangerous and perhaps give you more of a chance of dying than the covid. Imagine excitedly standing in line to get a "vaccine" that killed 100% of the animals in the tests. Seems like the sort of thing that John would do. Frank simply chooses not to believe fact. That has been his life's story.
>
>I see, Tommy says that the vaccine is dangerious and kills all the
>creatures it was tested on...
>
>Strange isn't it that Thailand, as of 20 Aug, has vaccinated 37.09% of
>the entire Thai population so according to Tommy's theory the death
>rate in Thailand must be tremendous, people falling down dead in the
>streets. But it's just not happening.
>
>So either a miracle has occurred in Thailand or (far more likely)
>Tommy, once again, is displaying his ignorance for all the world to
>see.

I just came across some additional data regarding the effectiveness of
Covid vaccinations, in Thailand.

From July 25 to Aug 19 there were 4,656 Covid-19 fatalities, in
Thailand. Of which 2,969, or 63,8% had not been vaccinated. Of the
1697 who died after receiving the vaccine some 26, or 1.5% had
completed the two shot regime. Or to put it another way, of the Covid
fatalities from July 25 to Aug 19 some 0.05% had received the complete
schedule of vaccination.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:39:00 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 8/20/2021 3:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:05:22 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>> One has to wonder if these two mindless clowns, Frank Krygowski and John B. Shorts even stopped to think if what Tom says is true before they started abusing Tom. Or are they abusing Tom for being right when they have been wrong. For instance, I'd rather believe the Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, Ireland, than any of the clowns on RBT hounding Tom.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/df0ca-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-wednesday-18-august/
> >>>
> >>> "For every fully vaccinated confirmed case of COVID-19, we know that vaccines are preventing about 4 other cases." -- Dr. Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health
> >>>
> >>> So, vaccination doesn't make you immune to COVID-19. You still stand a 1 in 5 chance of contracting the virus. I had better odds than that when I was a motor racer, a speedboat racer, a plane racer, an offshore yacht racing crossing the Southern Ocean and making passage around Cape Horn, and fighting in brush wars. So much for the "faith" of the clowns on RBT.
> >>>
> >>> Remember, monkeys, Tom told you first.
> >>>
> >>> Andre Jute
> >>> Thanks to Dr Holohan for confirming what I knew all along, that the street corner thugs on RBT are more ignorant than the poor people in the ghettoes of Chicago and Detroit.
> >>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 5:50:34 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort. He is entitled to his opinion but surely he sees that the overwhelming majority of people do not agree with him. So why argue his viewpoint?
> >>>>
> >>>> Jay is arguing I think basically out of fear that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines after MANY doctors are now speaking out that they have diagnosed the exact problems that other virologists warned about with mRNA vaccines.
> >>>>
> >>>> We HAVE to accept that this could become a problem and work on actual treatments for these problems and not try to sweep it under the carpet.
> >>>>
> >>>> Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines that have shown in animal studies to kill as many as 100% of the test group.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Lame Stream Media IMMEDIATELY fought Chloroquine because Trump said that it was a treatment that didn't require billions of dollars paid to pharmaceutical companies. Well EVERY actual double blind study has found that it is cheap and effect in treating covid-19.
> >>>>
> >>>> Here you have 5% of the population taking a drug for an entire lifetime and we have Democrats claiming that being in the same room with it will kill you.
> >>>>
> >>>> There are at least three other treatments for it as well. Actually Aleve and Vitamin D3 and zinc work as well as anything. Didn't know that Aleve had antiviral properties did you? The Lame Stream Media has purposely kept you in the dark.
> >>>>
> >>>> And why are we trying to destroy the entire world for an illness with a mortality rate so low that it is half of your chance of dying from an auto accident?
> >>>>
> >>>> We know why the Democrats embraced it - to falsify an election. But why has Australia locked the entire country down and New Zealand went so far as to jail people for talking to their neighbors?
> >>>>
> >>>> If you die from natural causes and then test positive for covid-19 that is NOT a covid-19 death. I have shown you the Fauci claim of 600,000+ deaths from covid-19 is a complete lie. My digging deeply into the CDC statistics shows that 2,000 extra people died from respiratory disease in March and April of 2020 AND NONE SINCE. Covid-19 is a respiratory disease.
> >>>>
> >>>> In 2021 there have been absolutely NO DEATHS ABOVE THE NORMAL LEVELS for ANY illnesses. Why is Gavin Loathsome and County Supervisors demanding that everyone wear a mask?
> >>>>
> >>>> If you are willing to allow yourself to be made a fool of don't be surprised if they aren't standing in line to do so.
> >> Frank and John would both rather believe King Fauci than the actual tests showing that the vaccines are dangerous and perhaps give you more of a chance of dying than the covid. Imagine excitedly standing in line to get a "vaccine" that killed 100% of the animals in the tests. Seems like the sort of thing that John would do. Frank simply chooses not to believe fact. That has been his life's story.
> >
> > I guess I should give you my take on those vaccines. I think that they are POSSIBLY dangerous if they are injected into a site with a lot of blood vessels. Usually they use the upper arm because it has a paucity of blood vessels. So I really do not believe that the vaccines are all as dangerous as is being elated by virologists who are looking at the Dark Side because that is what their jobs are.
> Oddly, the research virologist who plays music with me has views that
> are extremely different than Tom's. But then, he's got a PhD in the
> field and decades of research experience.
>
> It's so hard to decide who I should believe!

So someone you pretend is a virologist has more veracity than the professor of virology of the European Union does he? And some piece of shit like you claims that it is MY claims and not those of 57 US virologists and the head of many virologist groups? Leave it to you to have the mind of an 8 year old.

Tell us Frank, after I GAVE you the references and citations exactly why are you pretending that these are my ideas and not those of certified experts in the field? What brings you to lie with every word that comes out of your mouth? After telling us that you have bar end shifters and see no need for anything else you claim that you didn't say that you thought anything newer than 1977 was just built to entice stupid people? It is getting so that you cannot write one line without lying for at least ten lines.

On 20/8/21 3:31 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 8/19/2021 12:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it
>> is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is
>> a waste of time and effort.
>
> That's straw man bullshit. I never said that.
>

It doesn't seem completely inaccurate though, and wasn't a direct quote,
obviously.

--
JS

On 8/21/2021 3:05 PM, James wrote:
> On 20/8/21 3:31 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 8/19/2021 12:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it
>>> is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977
>>> is a waste of time and effort.
>>
>> That's straw man bullshit. I never said that.
>>
>
> It doesn't seem completely inaccurate though, and wasn't a direct quote,
> obviously.

1977 is a darn lie. It's anything newer than 1985 that he thinks is a
waste of time and effort. Nothing wrong with a Belt Beacon rear light,
stem mounted shifters, "safety brake" levers, and Skid Lids.

On 8/21/2021 3:02 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:39:00 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 8/20/2021 3:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:05:22 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>> One has to wonder if these two mindless clowns, Frank Krygowski and John B. Shorts even stopped to think if what Tom says is true before they started abusing Tom. Or are they abusing Tom for being right when they have been wrong. For instance, I'd rather believe the Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, Ireland, than any of the clowns on RBT hounding Tom.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/df0ca-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-wednesday-18-august/
>>>>>
>>>>> "For every fully vaccinated confirmed case of COVID-19, we know that vaccines are preventing about 4 other cases." -- Dr. Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health
>>>>>
>>>>> So, vaccination doesn't make you immune to COVID-19. You still stand a 1 in 5 chance of contracting the virus. I had better odds than that when I was a motor racer, a speedboat racer, a plane racer, an offshore yacht racing crossing the Southern Ocean and making passage around Cape Horn, and fighting in brush wars. So much for the "faith" of the clowns on RBT.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember, monkeys, Tom told you first.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>> Thanks to Dr Holohan for confirming what I knew all along, that the street corner thugs on RBT are more ignorant than the poor people in the ghettoes of Chicago and Detroit.
>>>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 5:50:34 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort. He is entitled to his opinion but surely he sees that the overwhelming majority of people do not agree with him. So why argue his viewpoint?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jay is arguing I think basically out of fear that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines after MANY doctors are now speaking out that they have diagnosed the exact problems that other virologists warned about with mRNA vaccines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We HAVE to accept that this could become a problem and work on actual treatments for these problems and not try to sweep it under the carpet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines that have shown in animal studies to kill as many as 100% of the test group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Lame Stream Media IMMEDIATELY fought Chloroquine because Trump said that it was a treatment that didn't require billions of dollars paid to pharmaceutical companies. Well EVERY actual double blind study has found that it is cheap and effect in treating covid-19.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here you have 5% of the population taking a drug for an entire lifetime and we have Democrats claiming that being in the same room with it will kill you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are at least three other treatments for it as well. Actually Aleve and Vitamin D3 and zinc work as well as anything. Didn't know that Aleve had antiviral properties did you? The Lame Stream Media has purposely kept you in the dark.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And why are we trying to destroy the entire world for an illness with a mortality rate so low that it is half of your chance of dying from an auto accident?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We know why the Democrats embraced it - to falsify an election. But why has Australia locked the entire country down and New Zealand went so far as to jail people for talking to their neighbors?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you die from natural causes and then test positive for covid-19 that is NOT a covid-19 death. I have shown you the Fauci claim of 600,000+ deaths from covid-19 is a complete lie. My digging deeply into the CDC statistics shows that 2,000 extra people died from respiratory disease in March and April of 2020 AND NONE SINCE. Covid-19 is a respiratory disease.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In 2021 there have been absolutely NO DEATHS ABOVE THE NORMAL LEVELS for ANY illnesses. Why is Gavin Loathsome and County Supervisors demanding that everyone wear a mask?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are willing to allow yourself to be made a fool of don't be surprised if they aren't standing in line to do so.
>>>> Frank and John would both rather believe King Fauci than the actual tests showing that the vaccines are dangerous and perhaps give you more of a chance of dying than the covid. Imagine excitedly standing in line to get a "vaccine" that killed 100% of the animals in the tests. Seems like the sort of thing that John would do. Frank simply chooses not to believe fact. That has been his life's story.
>>>
>>> I guess I should give you my take on those vaccines. I think that they are POSSIBLY dangerous if they are injected into a site with a lot of blood vessels. Usually they use the upper arm because it has a paucity of blood vessels. So I really do not believe that the vaccines are all as dangerous as is being elated by virologists who are looking at the Dark Side because that is what their jobs are.
>> Oddly, the research virologist who plays music with me has views that
>> are extremely different than Tom's. But then, he's got a PhD in the
>> field and decades of research experience.
>>
>> It's so hard to decide who I should believe!
>
> So someone you pretend is a virologist has more veracity than the professor of virology of the European Union does he?

The guy I'm referring to _is_ a professor of virology. If your "memory"
is correct, I guess we have dueling virologists - the guy you are
talking about versus the guy I know and tens of thousands of other fully
qualified virologists and scientists around the world.

Do you never wonder why medical officials in hundreds of countries are
not listening to you?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 8/21/2021 6:05 PM, James wrote:
> On 20/8/21 3:31 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 8/19/2021 12:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it
>>> is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977
>>> is a waste of time and effort.
>>
>> That's straw man bullshit. I never said that.
>>
>
> It doesn't seem completely inaccurate though, and wasn't a direct quote,
> obviously.

It obviously wasn't a direct quote.

I'm more than willing to have science-based discussions on what I
actually said, unpopular as science may be. I like to concentrate on
benefits vs. detriments, not just "ooh, I like this new stuff."

So let's talk about what I actually said. Get specific.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 2:56:08 AM UTC+1, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> I'm more than willing to have science-based discussions on what I
> actually said, unpopular as science may be.
..
Rubbish. It is not science that is unpopular, it is scientism as practiced by jumped-up mechanics like you, Franki-boy.
..
Andre Jute
You'd think a guy who claims to have been a professor of engineering would know the difference between science and scientism. Around the wretched Krygowski your expectation will be disappointed.,

On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:05:34 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
> On 20/8/21 3:31 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 8/19/2021 12:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it
> >> is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is
> >> a waste of time and effort.
> >
> > That's straw man bullshit. I never said that.
> >
> It doesn't seem completely inaccurate though, and wasn't a direct quote,
> obviously.

Franks posting are pretty clear that he thinks that time stopped after the invention of friction bar end shifters and that you or I are stupid for using brifters and bikes made out of anything other than steel and cantilever brakes. If that is what he likes that's his choice. Don't make it mine.

On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 6:50:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 8/21/2021 3:02 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:39:00 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 8/20/2021 3:32 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:38:40 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 9:05:22 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>>> One has to wonder if these two mindless clowns, Frank Krygowski and John B. Shorts even stopped to think if what Tom says is true before they started abusing Tom. Or are they abusing Tom for being right when they have been wrong. For instance, I'd rather believe the Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health, Ireland, than any of the clowns on RBT hounding Tom.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/df0ca-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-wednesday-18-august/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "For every fully vaccinated confirmed case of COVID-19, we know that vaccines are preventing about 4 other cases." -- Dr. Tony Holohan, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Health
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, vaccination doesn't make you immune to COVID-19. You still stand a 1 in 5 chance of contracting the virus. I had better odds than that when I was a motor racer, a speedboat racer, a plane racer, an offshore yacht racing crossing the Southern Ocean and making passage around Cape Horn, and fighting in brush wars. So much for the "faith" of the clowns on RBT.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Remember, monkeys, Tom told you first.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Andre Jute
> >>>>> Thanks to Dr Holohan for confirming what I knew all along, that the street corner thugs on RBT are more ignorant than the poor people in the ghettoes of Chicago and Detroit.
> >>>>> On Thursday, August 19, 2021 at 5:50:34 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is a waste of time and effort. He is entitled to his opinion but surely he sees that the overwhelming majority of people do not agree with him. So why argue his viewpoint?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jay is arguing I think basically out of fear that there is nothing wrong with the vaccines after MANY doctors are now speaking out that they have diagnosed the exact problems that other virologists warned about with mRNA vaccines.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We HAVE to accept that this could become a problem and work on actual treatments for these problems and not try to sweep it under the carpet.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Finally most knowledgeable sources are agreeing with my original position that covid-19 is an influenza and treatment is the best way of handling it and not injecting the entire world's population with questionable vaccines that have shown in animal studies to kill as many as 100% of the test group.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The Lame Stream Media IMMEDIATELY fought Chloroquine because Trump said that it was a treatment that didn't require billions of dollars paid to pharmaceutical companies. Well EVERY actual double blind study has found that it is cheap and effect in treating covid-19.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Here you have 5% of the population taking a drug for an entire lifetime and we have Democrats claiming that being in the same room with it will kill you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There are at least three other treatments for it as well. Actually Aleve and Vitamin D3 and zinc work as well as anything. Didn't know that Aleve had antiviral properties did you? The Lame Stream Media has purposely kept you in the dark.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And why are we trying to destroy the entire world for an illness with a mortality rate so low that it is half of your chance of dying from an auto accident?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We know why the Democrats embraced it - to falsify an election. But why has Australia locked the entire country down and New Zealand went so far as to jail people for talking to their neighbors?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you die from natural causes and then test positive for covid-19 that is NOT a covid-19 death. I have shown you the Fauci claim of 600,000+ deaths from covid-19 is a complete lie. My digging deeply into the CDC statistics shows that 2,000 extra people died from respiratory disease in March and April of 2020 AND NONE SINCE. Covid-19 is a respiratory disease.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In 2021 there have been absolutely NO DEATHS ABOVE THE NORMAL LEVELS for ANY illnesses. Why is Gavin Loathsome and County Supervisors demanding that everyone wear a mask?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you are willing to allow yourself to be made a fool of don't be surprised if they aren't standing in line to do so.
> >>>> Frank and John would both rather believe King Fauci than the actual tests showing that the vaccines are dangerous and perhaps give you more of a chance of dying than the covid. Imagine excitedly standing in line to get a "vaccine" that killed 100% of the animals in the tests. Seems like the sort of thing that John would do. Frank simply chooses not to believe fact. That has been his life's story.
> >>>
> >>> I guess I should give you my take on those vaccines. I think that they are POSSIBLY dangerous if they are injected into a site with a lot of blood vessels. Usually they use the upper arm because it has a paucity of blood vessels. So I really do not believe that the vaccines are all as dangerous as is being elated by virologists who are looking at the Dark Side because that is what their jobs are.
> >> Oddly, the research virologist who plays music with me has views that
> >> are extremely different than Tom's. But then, he's got a PhD in the
> >> field and decades of research experience.
> >>
> >> It's so hard to decide who I should believe!
> >
> > So someone you pretend is a virologist has more veracity than the professor of virology of the European Union does he?
> The guy I'm referring to _is_ a professor of virology. If your "memory"
> is correct, I guess we have dueling virologists - the guy you are
> talking about versus the guy I know and tens of thousands of other fully
> qualified virologists and scientists around the world.
>
> Do you never wonder why medical officials in hundreds of countries are
> not listening to you?

There is a very simple way to tell who is correct - that is to give it time.. The prediction is that most people who have been vaccinated will die within three years. Start counting your days.

On 8/22/2021 2:12 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 3:05:34 PM UTC-7, James wrote:
>> On 20/8/21 3:31 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 8/19/2021 12:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it
>>>> is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977 is
>>>> a waste of time and effort.
>>>
>>> That's straw man bullshit. I never said that.
>>>
>> It doesn't seem completely inaccurate though, and wasn't a direct quote,
>> obviously.
>
> Franks posting are pretty clear that he thinks that time stopped after the invention of friction bar end shifters and that you or I are stupid for using brifters and bikes made out of anything other than steel and cantilever brakes.

Quit posting straw man versions of my statements. You should be able to
find quotations. Quote what I actually said, not what you wish I said -
or in your case, what you "remember" I said.

Get specific, and get technical. What equipment choices do you wish to
discuss specifically?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 8/22/2021 2:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Saturday, August 21, 2021 at 6:50:32 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 8/21/2021 3:02 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Friday, August 20, 2021 at 3:39:00 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oddly, the research virologist who plays music with me has views that
>>>> are extremely different than Tom's. But then, he's got a PhD in the
>>>> field and decades of research experience.
>>>>
>>>> It's so hard to decide who I should believe!
>>>
>>> So someone you pretend is a virologist has more veracity than the professor of virology of the European Union does he?
>>
>> The guy I'm referring to _is_ a professor of virology. If your "memory"
>> is correct, I guess we have dueling virologists - the guy you are
>> talking about versus the guy I know and tens of thousands of other fully
>> qualified virologists and scientists around the world.
>>
>> Do you never wonder why medical officials in hundreds of countries are
>> not listening to you?
>
> There is a very simple way to tell who is correct - that is to give it time. The prediction is that most people who have been vaccinated will die within three years. Start counting your days.

Unfortunately, the "give it time" strategy doesn't work with your type.

We were told that in time, we'd see that the Communists would take over
all of Southeast Asia if we left Viet Nam. We'd find that America's moon
landing was fake. We'd find Nessie and Sasquatch. We'd find that Saddam
Hussein was on the cusp of nuclear warhead production. We'd find people
in the Middle East welcoming American soldiers with flowers, followed by
peace and democracy there. We'd see Donald Trump's tax forms voluntarily
released. We'd see Trump miraculously reinstated as President by now.

None of that has happened, but the whackos have never admitted they were
wrong.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2021-08-22, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 8/21/2021 3:05 PM, James wrote:
>> On 20/8/21 3:31 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 8/19/2021 12:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it
>>>> is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977
>>>> is a waste of time and effort.
>>>
>>> That's straw man bullshit. I never said that.
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't seem completely inaccurate though, and wasn't a direct quote,
>> obviously.
>
> 1977 is a darn lie. It's anything newer than 1985 that he thinks is a
> waste of time and effort. Nothing wrong with a Belt Beacon rear light,
> stem mounted shifters, "safety brake" levers, and Skid Lids.

Ahh! A trip down memory lane....I still have two Belt Beacons. I opted for
their "touring" model, which flashed less often in exchange for longer
battery life.

I tossed my skid lid eventually for a Bell V1Pro or some such, but have fond
memories of it.

My Schwinn Collegiate had a stem-mounted shifter, but once I discovered
SunTour fingertip shifters I've never looked back.

pH

On 8/22/2021 1:33 PM, pH wrote:
> On 2021-08-22, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/21/2021 3:05 PM, James wrote:
>>> On 20/8/21 3:31 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/19/2021 12:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it
>>>>> is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977
>>>>> is a waste of time and effort.
>>>>
>>>> That's straw man bullshit. I never said that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It doesn't seem completely inaccurate though, and wasn't a direct quote,
>>> obviously.
>>
>> 1977 is a darn lie. It's anything newer than 1985 that he thinks is a
>> waste of time and effort. Nothing wrong with a Belt Beacon rear light,
>> stem mounted shifters, "safety brake" levers, and Skid Lids.
>
> Ahh! A trip down memory lane....I still have two Belt Beacons. I opted for
> their "touring" model, which flashed less often in exchange for longer
> battery life.

I still have some Belt Beacons somewhere in my garage.

> I tossed my skid lid eventually for a Bell V1Pro or some such, but have fond
> memories of it.

After tests showed how poorly the Skid Lid performed, Skid Lid's
advertising attacked the tests as "invalid"
<http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1bhys9ICTRQ/VPb_CUuJ8YI/AAAAAAAAFVA/jtJjnZW13YQ/s1600/skid%2Blid.jpg>.

On 22/8/21 11:56 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 8/21/2021 6:05 PM, James wrote:
>> On 20/8/21 3:31 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 8/19/2021 12:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it
>>>> is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977
>>>> is a waste of time and effort.
>>>
>>> That's straw man bullshit. I never said that.
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't seem completely inaccurate though, and wasn't a direct
>> quote, obviously.
>
> It obviously wasn't a direct quote.
>
> I'm more than willing to have science-based discussions on what I
> actually said, unpopular as science may be. I like to concentrate on
> benefits vs. detriments, not just "ooh, I like this new stuff."
>
> So let's talk about what I actually said. Get specific.
>

"I think most of the people you see riding with discs, STI and CF made
those choices based not on "safety inflation." They bought those based
on "fashion." They were told by ads, shop employees or buddies that
"this is best." They never thought about benefits vs. detriments, and
whether they personally needed the purported benefits. Besides, in many
cases they had no choice - the shop they visited had nothing else on the
floor. "

--
JS

On Sunday, August 22, 2021 at 1:33:36 PM UTC-7, pH wrote:
> On 2021-08-22, sms <scharf...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > On 8/21/2021 3:05 PM, James wrote:
> >> On 20/8/21 3:31 am, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 8/19/2021 12:50 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>> I suppose that we should expect arguments over points of view but it
> >>>> is getting rather silly. Frank thinks that anything newer than 1977
> >>>> is a waste of time and effort.
> >>>
> >>> That's straw man bullshit. I never said that.
> >>>
> >>
> >> It doesn't seem completely inaccurate though, and wasn't a direct quote,
> >> obviously.
> >
> > 1977 is a darn lie. It's anything newer than 1985 that he thinks is a
> > waste of time and effort. Nothing wrong with a Belt Beacon rear light,
> > stem mounted shifters, "safety brake" levers, and Skid Lids.
> Ahh! A trip down memory lane....I still have two Belt Beacons. I opted for
> their "touring" model, which flashed less often in exchange for longer
> battery life.
>
> I tossed my skid lid eventually for a Bell V1Pro or some such, but have fond
> memories of it.
>
> My Schwinn Collegiate had a stem-mounted shifter, but once I discovered
> SunTour fingertip shifters I've never looked back.
>
> pH

I think the index year for Frank is actually 1987 when he got his ST800 (IIRC). http://vintagecannondale.com/year/1987/1987.pdf A list price of $999. Adjusted for inflation, that's $2,300!

Apart from the frame, the ST800 componentry was 1977-ish. In 1977, you could get a Klein OS aluminum frame, but Gary was not building a touring bike. https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/1184182-road-test-bike-review-1978-klein-team-super.html I think Cannondale was the first to use OS 6061 for a touring frame. There were some pretty big changes between 1977 and 1987 (e.g. SIS/6-7 speed freehubs), but the ST800 held on to five speed freewheels and friction shifting, cantis, etc. And 27" wheels!

BTW, in 1977, my sport/touring bike was just as modern as the ST800 except for the steel frame. I had Phil sealed bearing hubs and a Weyless two-bolt seat post, which was very advanced for its time. http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=c6bfe6d6-b7ee-49be-81e5-8deb61b0b09b&Enum=105 However, I had a Dura Ace double crank. http://velobase.com/ViewComponent.aspx?ID=6bf90053-7a18-45a3-ab75-6d6d67c62e41&Enum=115 5speed, friction and an equally good RD -- a Suntour Cyclone. I did a fully loaded tour from SJ to Vancouver BC in '76 with a 42/28 low, and it was fine. It might have been a 39t inner. No 19" gear. That's when men were men.

I had a Belt Beacon, too -- and I don't remember what replaced it. Flasher technology took off and got a lot smaller, but I don't remember the progression, except that I owned a lot of CatEye flashers of various types. Now I can blind following riders with a light one twentieth the size of the Belt Beacon. Progress!

-- Jay Beattie.