We wait for you to assist to a PNN demonstration.

ASAP.

Doctor Who <doc@tardis.invalid> wrote:

> We wait for you to assist to a PNN demonstration.
> ASAP.

I'm sorry, you have not convinced me that your device differs from eg.
Norman L. Dean's device. The parallels are obvious, unfortunately.

Dean made several controlled private demonstrations of
a number of different devices; however, no working
models were ever demonstrated publicly or subjected to
independent analysis and Dean never presented any
rigorous theoretical basis for their operation.
-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive
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On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 6:31:23 AM UTC-4, Otto J. Makela wrote:
> Doctor Who <d...@tardis.invalid> wrote:
>
> > We wait for you to assist to a PNN demonstration.
> > ASAP.
> I'm sorry, you have not convinced me that your device differs from eg.
> Norman L. Dean's device. The parallels are obvious, unfortunately.
>
> Dean made several controlled private demonstrations of
> a number of different devices; however, no working
> models were ever demonstrated publicly or subjected to
> independent analysis and Dean never presented any
> rigorous theoretical basis for their operation.
> -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive
> --
> /* * * Otto J. Makela <o...@iki.fi> * * * * * * * * * */
> /* Phone: +358 40 765 5772, ICBM: N 60 10' E 24 55' */
> /* Mail: Mechelininkatu 26 B 27, FI-00100 Helsinki */
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I've got to admit that "Dean Drive" has a certain ring to it....

From the Wiki Dean Drive article: "In the 1950s Jerry Pournelle, working for an aerospace company, contacted Dean to investigate purchasing the device.. Dean refused to demonstrate the device without pre-payment and promise of a Nobel prize. Pournelle's company were unwilling to pay for the right to examine the device and never saw the purported model. 3M sent representatives about the same time, and obtained similar results. Pournelle eventually was convinced that Dean's device never worked."

Now what does that remind everyone of?

Also from that article: "In 1978 physicist Russell Adams wrote an article in Analog. Searching in the US patent office he had found at least 50 patents for similar reactionless drives. After studying the mechanisms, he concluded that they all relied on friction against the floor they were placed on, and they would be useless in space, where there isn't friction against any surface.

Dean's patented devices, and his explanation of how his Drive was supposed to work, were later shown to develop no net weight loss over time and do not violate Newton's third law of motion. Many other inventors claim to have invented similar devices, and they all still remain unproven, and lacking a solid theoretic basis."

As many have stated, just because you can get a patent does not mean it works.

Dean

On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 13:31:19 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:

>Doctor Who <doc@tardis.invalid> wrote:
>
>> We wait for you to assist to a PNN demonstration.
>> ASAP.
>
>I'm sorry, you have not convinced me that your device differs from eg.
>Norman L. Dean's device. The parallels are obvious, unfortunately.
>
> Dean made several controlled private demonstrations of
> a number of different devices; however, no working
> models were ever demonstrated publicly or subjected to
> independent analysis and Dean never presented any
> rigorous theoretical basis for their operation.
> -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive

So Otto, don't expect to be shown otherwise !

We do pnn demonstrations only to people who can join us in Rome.

On Wednesday, Doctor Who pointed out that ...
> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 13:31:19 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
>
>> Doctor Who <doc@tardis.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> We wait for you to assist to a PNN demonstration.
>>> ASAP.
>>
>> I'm sorry, you have not convinced me that your device differs from eg.
>> Norman L. Dean's device. The parallels are obvious, unfortunately.
>>
>> Dean made several controlled private demonstrations of
>> a number of different devices; however, no working
>> models were ever demonstrated publicly or subjected to
>> independent analysis and Dean never presented any
>> rigorous theoretical basis for their operation.
>> -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive
>
>
> So Otto, don't expect to be shown otherwise !
>
> We do pnn demonstrations only to people who can join us in Rome.

Are you offering him a [plane] ticket and to cover his hotel?

/dps

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You could try being nicer and politer
> instead, and see how that works out.
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On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 14:05:33 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, Doctor Who pointed out that ...
>> On Wed, 29 Mar 2023 13:31:19 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:
>>
>>> Doctor Who <doc@tardis.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We wait for you to assist to a PNN demonstration.
>>>> ASAP.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry, you have not convinced me that your device differs from eg.
>>> Norman L. Dean's device. The parallels are obvious, unfortunately.
>>>
>>> Dean made several controlled private demonstrations of
>>> a number of different devices; however, no working
>>> models were ever demonstrated publicly or subjected to
>>> independent analysis and Dean never presented any
>>> rigorous theoretical basis for their operation.
>>> -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_drive
>>
>>
>> So Otto, don't expect to be shown otherwise !
>>
>> We do pnn demonstrations only to people who can join us in Rome.
>
>Are you offering him a [plane] ticket and to cover his hotel?
>
>/dps

absolutely not, in fact we don't care if it is convinced or not.

Doctor Who <doc@tardis.invalid> wrote:

> absolutely not, in fact we don't care if it is convinced or not.

Then why do you get so upset when I state that I'm not?
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:56:58 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:

>Doctor Who <doc@tardis.invalid> wrote:
>
>> absolutely not, in fact we don't care if it is convinced or not.
>
>Then why do you get so upset when I state that I'm not?

We don't care, you are mentally retarded.

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:56:58 +0300, om@iki.fi (Otto J. Makela) wrote:

>Doctor Who <doc@tardis.invalid> wrote:
>
>> absolutely not, in fact we don't care if it is convinced or not.
>
>Then why do you get so upset when I state that I'm not?

you think that I get upset but you are wrong on the whole line.

You are hilarious!