'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone at a
5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why people are
making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint, it’s not
iMessage.

The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the US
are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a follow-up on its
Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping ship.'

<https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>

'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving force
for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the least cited
reason for switching.

The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience. Over
53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of problems with
their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were “their old phone did not
serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some deficiency
that affected their user experience.”

The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
user interface.”'

Am 02.06.23 um 06:24 schrieb Alan:
> 'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone at a
> 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why people are
> making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint, it’s not
> iMessage.
>
> The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the US
> are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a follow-up on its
> Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping ship.'
>
> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
>
> 'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving force
> for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the least cited
> reason for switching.
>
> The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience. Over
> 53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of problems with
> their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were “their old phone did not
> serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some deficiency
> that affected their user experience.”
>
> The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
> like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
> user interface.”'

I use both platforms for years. The reasons cited are more than
plausible and personally I fully agree.

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On 2023-06-02 06:24, Alan wrote:
> 'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone at a
> 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why people are
> making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint, it’s not
> iMessage.
>
> The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the US
> are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a follow-up on its
> Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping ship.'
>
> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
>
> 'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving force
> for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the least cited
> reason for switching.
>
> The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience. Over
> 53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of problems with
> their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were “their old phone did not
> serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some deficiency
> that affected their user experience.”
>
> The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
> like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
> user interface.”'

Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better
camera.

Saying “their old phone did not serve them, because it was aging,
needed repair, or had some deficiency that affected their user
experience” doesn't make much sense for "switching. They are reasons for
renewing.

--
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On 02.06.23 12:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better
> camera.
>
> Saying "their old phone did not serve them, because it was aging,
> needed repair, or had some deficiency that affected their user
> experience" doesn't make much sense for "switching. They are reasons for
> renewing.

From what I've read as to the reasons, elementary age kids want iPhones but
their parents give them cheap crappy Androids instead but when the dumb
status conscious kid gets into the teen years this idiotically asinine
bubble stuff starts to matter more to them than anything else in the world.
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On 2023-06-02 06:25, Stefan Claas wrote:
> On 02.06.23 12:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better
>> camera.
>>
>> Saying "their old phone did not  serve them, because it was aging,
>> needed repair, or had some deficiency that affected their user
>> experience" doesn't make much sense for "switching. They are reasons
>> for renewing.
>
> From what I've read as to the reasons, elementary age kids want iPhones
> but
> their parents give them cheap crappy Androids instead but when the dumb
> status conscious kid gets into the teen years this idiotically asinine
> bubble stuff starts to matter more to them than anything else in the world.

Really? And where have you "read" this?

On 02.06.23 11:10, Alan wrote:

>> From what I've read as to the reasons, elementary age kids want iPhones
>> but
>> their parents give them cheap crappy Androids instead but when the dumb
>> status conscious kid gets into the teen years this idiotically asinine
>> bubble stuff starts to matter more to them than anything else in the world.
>
> Really? And where have you "read" this?

You haven't seen the Apple executive emails that Epic deposed in court.
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On 2023-06-02 09:11, Stefan Claas wrote:
> On 02.06.23 11:10, Alan wrote:
>
>>>  From what I've read as to the reasons, elementary age kids want
>>> iPhones but
>>> their parents give them cheap crappy Androids instead but when the dumb
>>> status conscious kid gets into the teen years this idiotically asinine
>>> bubble stuff starts to matter more to them than anything else in the
>>> world.
>>
>> Really? And where have you "read" this?
>
> You haven't seen the Apple executive emails that Epic deposed in court.

Nope.

Show me.

But it hardly matters.

What Apple believes is important doesn't change the reasons that people
are actually stating for them switching.

Am 02.06.23 um 12:19 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2023-06-02 06:24, Alan wrote:
>> The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
>> like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
>> user interface.”'
>
> Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better
> camera.

Do you really believe this?
My Pixel 7's camera is absolutely no match for my iPhone 14's.
Whether you like it or not: The Android's user experience is
inconsistent and toy style compared to iOS.

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Am 02.06.23 um 18:11 schrieb Stefan Claas:
> On 02.06.23 11:10, Alan wrote:
>
>>> From what I've read as to the reasons, elementary age kids want iPhones
>>> but
>>> their parents give them cheap crappy Androids instead but when the dumb
>>> status conscious kid gets into the teen years this idiotically asinine
>>> bubble stuff starts to matter more to them than anything else in the world.
>>
>> Really? And where have you "read" this?
>
> You haven't seen the Apple executive emails that Epic deposed in court.

This is a legal battle and has nothing to do with the reality.

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On 2023-06-02 09:39, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 02.06.23 um 18:11 schrieb Stefan Claas:
>> On 02.06.23 11:10, Alan wrote:
>>
>>>> From what I've read as to the reasons, elementary age kids want iPhones
>>>> but
>>>> their parents give them cheap crappy Androids instead but when the dumb
>>>> status conscious kid gets into the teen years this idiotically asinine
>>>> bubble stuff starts to matter more to them than anything else in the world.
>>>
>>> Really? And where have you "read" this?
>>
>> You haven't seen the Apple executive emails that Epic deposed in court.
>
> This is a legal battle and has nothing to do with the reality.
>

Apple seeing something as a competitive advantage is not proof that it
is as important as they think.

On 2023-06-02 00:24, Alan wrote:
> 'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone at a
> 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why people are
> making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint, it’s not
> iMessage.
>
> The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the US
> are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a follow-up on its
> Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping ship.'
>
> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
>
> 'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving force
> for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the least cited
> reason for switching.
>
> The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience. Over
> 53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of problems with
> their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were “their old phone did not
> serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some deficiency
> that affected their user experience.”
>
> The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
> like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
> user interface.”'

All better reasons.

But - it's when they add a Mac and/or iPad and Watch to the equation and
experience true integration that they'll be more likely to lock in for
the long haul.

--
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-Ronald Coase

On 2023-06-02 06:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-06-02 06:24, Alan wrote:
>> 'Following its report that showed Android users pivoting to iPhone at
>> a 5-year high, CIRP is out today with a study that reveals why people
>> are making the switch. Have a guess at the number one reason? Hint,
>> it’s not iMessage.
>>
>> The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the
>> US are coming from Android. Now the firm has published a follow-up on
>> its Substack that reveals why Android users in the US are jumping ship.'
>>
>> <https://9to5mac.com/2023/05/31/top-reason-android-users-switch-to-iphone/>
>>
>> 'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving
>> force for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the
>> least cited reason for switching.
>>
>> The top reason was actually an issue with the Android experience. Over
>> 53% of respondents said they moved to iPhone because of problems with
>> their Android smartphone. Specifics cited were “their old phone did
>> not serve them, because it was aging, needed repair, or had some
>> deficiency that affected their user experience.”
>>
>> The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
>> like “a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
>> user interface.”'
>
> Why not just buy a new Android phone? It also will come with a better
> camera.

Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.

That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by a
long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.

--
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On 2023-06-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
> pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.

In general, the Android user is a completely different mentality than an
iPhone user (where the Android user cares less about looks & more about
capabilities than does the iPhone user - who mostly cares about style).

>
> That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by a
> long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.

Long shot?

World wide Android is about three quarters of all smartphones out there.
https://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+vs+android+market+share+2023

The Apple iOS phones are about 55% of the North American market share.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1045192/share-of-mobile-operating-systems-in-north-america-by-month/

Only in the USA does iOS grow to about 57% market share.
https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/us-smartphone-market-share

In terms of market share, 55% isn't a "long shot" by any calculation.
It only means there are a lot of stupid people who care about blue bubbles.

Alan Browne wrote:

>> The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
>> like "a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
>> user interface."'
>
> All better reasons.

Most iPhone owners are too stupid to realize they're constantly logging
into someone else's servers every moment of their life everywhere they go.

Whether or not the camera is better depends on which smartphone you buy.
1. Huawei P60 Pro $1058 Mar 2023 156
2. Oppo Find X6 Pro $908 Mar 2023 153 128
3. Honor Magic5 Pro $1199 Feb 2023 152 138 151
4. Oppo Find X6 $681 Mar 2023 150
5. Huawei Mate 50 Pro $1299 Sep 2022 149 145 144 141 103
6. Google Pixel 7 Pro $899 Oct 2022 147 142 137 146 102
7. Honor Magic4 Ultimate $1211 Mar 2022 147 122 140
8. Apple iPhone 14 Pro Max $1099 Sep 2022 146 145 142 149 133
9. Apple iPhone 14 Pro $999 Sep 2022 146 145 142 149 119
10. Huawei P50 Pro $907 Jul 2021 143 144 119 135 123
11. Apple iPhone 13 Pro $999 Sep 2021 141 134 139 144 118
12. Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max $1099 Sep 2021 141 134 139 145 136
13. Xiaomi Mi 11 Ultra $1200 Mar 2021 141 125 119 124 108
14. Google Pixel 7 $599 Oct 2022 140 138 123 140 98
15. Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra (Snapdragon) $1199 Jan 2023 140 141 139 148
16. Vivo X90 Pro+ $985 Dec 2022 140 125 132 135
17. Huawei Mate 40 Pro+ $1363 Sep 2020 139
18. Vivo X80 Pro (Snapdragon) $1299 Apr 2022 137 129 133 99
19. Vivo X90 Pro $757 Dec 2022 136 133 133
20. Xiaomi 13 Pro $1299 Dec 2022 136 140 136 126
https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/

The average idiot thinks Apple cameras are better because idiots don't read
the reviews. Apple spends a lot of money to sway those idiots on cameras.

> But - it's when they add a Mac and/or iPad and Watch to the equation and
> experience true integration that they'll be more likely to lock in for
> the long haul.

The iPhone is an extremely closed and locked walled in computer system so
the ONLY place it integrates well is with other Apple products - but the
catch that idiot iPhone owners don't get is you have to always log into the
Apple servers - otherwise almost nothing works even with all Apple devices.

With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into someone
else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your private life.

On 2023-06-02 17:16, Nick Agostini wrote:
> On 2023-06-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:

You snipped out the RELEVANT info:

<< The last report from CIRP showed that 15% of new iPhone buyers in the
US are coming from Android. >>

Do you need me to decode US for you, or will you go look it up?

>> Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
>> pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.
>
> In general, the Android user is a completely different mentality than an
> iPhone user (where the Android user cares less about looks & more about
> capabilities than does the iPhone user - who mostly cares about style).

Not at all. I care about the seamless integration across Mac, iPhone,
iMac and Watch. That said, when I see a correspondent's blue bubble,
then I know that I can send things via Message that might not work for
someone else.

That is where the leverage is.

>> That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by a <- [AAA]
>> long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.
>
> Long shot?
>
> World wide Android is about three quarters of all smartphones out there.
> https://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+vs+android+market+share+2023

Read: 1) "brand" [AAA] above and 2) "North America" [AAA] above.

Hauling out worldwide stats is a cheap shot. Because a lot of those
markets are places where iPhones are too expensive - so much of the
Android market is lower end phones.

> The Apple iOS phones are about 55% of the North American market share.
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/1045192/share-of-mobile-operating-systems-in-north-america-by-month/

Right. Meaning the huge number of other ___ brands ___ have to share
the 45%. Tough market!

Samsung has a good chunk of that 45% meaning it's non-optimal for them,
and miserable for the rest.

> Only in the USA does iOS grow to about 57% market share.
> https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/us-smartphone-market-share
>
> In terms of market share, 55% isn't a "long shot" by any calculation.
> It only means there are a lot of stupid people who care about blue bubbles.

No, it means people prefer a brand for a lot of reasons.

Don't forget who ignited this market segment. Others tried to get such
going before Apple.

Apple just did the unforgivable thing: They got it right and created
the market segment.

And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the Apple
line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because they're
eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone daily drives
Linux on their desktops).

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-Ronald Coase

In article <u5dn33$39qd2$1@dont-email.me>, Woozy Song
<suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:

> With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into someone
> else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your private life.

except for google itself along with countless ad tracking and data
mining companies plus the app developers themselves, and to top it off,
the integration isn't even very good.

On 2023-06-02 14:16, Nick Agostini wrote:
> On 2023-06-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> Some will look at Android to replace their iPhone's that are not
>> pleasing them any longer too... cuts both ways.
>
> In general, the Android user is a completely different mentality than an
> iPhone user (where the Android user cares less about looks & more about
> capabilities than does the iPhone user - who mostly cares about style).

Bullshit.

>
>>
>> That said, in North America, iPhone is the preferred mobile brand by a
>> long shot so Andr. -> iPh will likely lead v. the opposite move.
>
> Long shot?
>
> World wide Android is about three quarters of all smartphones out there.
> https://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+vs+android+market+share+2023

Because iPhones are expensive.

>
> The Apple iOS phones are about 55% of the North American market share.
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/1045192/share-of-mobile-operating-systems-in-north-america-by-month/

Because North America is affluent.

>
> Only in the USA does iOS grow to about 57% market share.
> https://www.oberlo.com/statistics/us-smartphone-market-share
>
> In terms of market share, 55% isn't a "long shot" by any calculation.
> It only means there are a lot of stupid people who care about blue bubbles.

1. What is the next best selling BRAND?

2. Did you not read the OP?

'While iMessage’s blue bubbles are often talked about as a driving force
for iPhone (as well as lock-in), interestingly, that was the least cited
reason for switching.'

On 2023-06-02 17:31, Woozy Song wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>
>>> The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
>>> like "a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
>>> user interface."'
>>
>> All better reasons.
>
> Most iPhone owners are too stupid to realize they're constantly logging
> into someone else's servers every moment of their life everywhere they go.

Since they are the vendor's servers, very secure (and improving) from a
company that does not consider the user to be the product, that is a
fine thing.

No charge for iCloud at all (under 5GB usage) and that is the glue that
makes the integration work.

> Whether or not the camera is better depends on which smartphone you buy.
XXX
>
> The average idiot thinks Apple cameras are better because idiots don't read
> the reviews. Apple spends a lot of money to sway those idiots on cameras.

So a pro like Marques Brownlee who is not an iPhone fan and definitely
an Android fan still prefers iPhone's cameras because ...?

>> But - it's when they add a Mac and/or iPad and Watch to the equation and
>> experience true integration that they'll be more likely to lock in for
>> the long haul.
>
> The iPhone is an extremely closed and locked walled in computer system so
> the ONLY place it integrates well is with other Apple products - but the

Not at all true. Integrates with oodles of products - but it integrates
_best_ with other Apple products - esp. on all things related to
communications (notes, images, documents, video, ... etc. and so on).

> catch that idiot iPhone owners don't get is you have to always log into the
> Apple servers - otherwise almost nothing works even with all Apple devices.

The fact that you have to use "idiot" everywhere smacks of desperate.
Sort of like ... name a Trump supporter.

> With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into someone
> else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your private life.

You do not get the seamless integration of iPhone/iPad/Mac/Watch that
you get with an Apple account. That is what the servers are there for.

iCloud (Apple's servers) are not only very secure, they are not used by
Apple as a source of marketing material.

Do recall who foisted Android on you... the company that makes people
their product: Google.

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On 2023-06-02 14:31, Woozy Song wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>
>>> The second most common reason to switch was for new features on iPhone
>>> like "a better camera, enhanced accessory options, or a more intuitive
>>> user interface."'
>>
>> All better reasons.
>
> Most iPhone owners are too stupid to realize they're constantly logging
> into someone else's servers every moment of their life everywhere they go.

Hi, Arlen!

>
> Whether or not the camera is better depends on which smartphone you buy.
> 1. Huawei P60 Pro $1058 Mar 2023 156

(Released 2023, March 31; less than 7% better score)

> 2. Oppo Find X6 Pro $908 Mar 2023 153 128

(Released 2023, March 24; less than 5% better score)

> 3. Honor Magic5 Pro $1199 Feb 2023 152 138 151

(Released 2023, March 31; less than 4% better score)

> 4. Oppo Find X6 $681 Mar 2023 150

(Released 2023, March 24; less than 3% better score)

> 5. Huawei Mate 50 Pro $1299 Sep 2022 149 145 144 141 103

(Released 2022, September 28; just over 2% better score)

> 6. Google Pixel 7 Pro $899 Oct 2022 147 142 137 146 102

(Released 2022, October 13; less than 1% better score)

> 7. Honor Magic4 Ultimate $1211 Mar 2022 147 122 140

(Released 2022, April 22; less than 1% better score)

> 8. Apple iPhone 14 Pro Max $1099 Sep 2022 146 145 142 149 133

(Released 2022, September 16)

Only one phone on that list that scores better than the best iPhone was
released before that iPhone.

> https://www.dxomark.com/smartphones/

As usual, you only present this when it's been quite a while since the
release of the latest iPhones.

>
> The average idiot thinks Apple cameras are better because idiots don't read
> the reviews. Apple spends a lot of money to sway those idiots on cameras.

Apple's camera are in the top 10 out of hundreds of phones.

nospam wrote:

>> With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into someone
>> else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your private life.
>
> except for google itself along with countless ad tracking and data
> mining companies plus the app developers themselves, and to top it off,
> the integration isn't even very good.

The cost of the Apple ecosystem is you have to log into it to do anything.
Everywhere you go you're logging into Apple every moment of your life.

Alan Browne wrote:

> And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the Apple
> line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because they're
> eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone daily drives
> Linux on their desktops).

The cost of what you call "seamless" with only Apple products is you're
logging into Apple servers everywhere you go for every moment of your life.

If that high cost is acceptable - then you are perfect for Apple products.

In article <u5dqnj$3a60h$1@dont-email.me>, Woozy Song
<suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:

>
> The cost of the Apple ecosystem is you have to log into it to do anything.

demonstrably false.

> Everywhere you go you're logging into Google every moment of your life.

ftfy

Alan Browne wrote:

> No charge for iCloud at all (under 5GB usage) and that is the glue that
> makes the integration work.

The good news is you're not as stupid as most iPhone owners are, mainly
because you seem to have realized that the cost of the "integration" is you
must log into someone else's servers for every moment of your entire life.

If you're willing to pay that cost, then the iPhone is perfect for you.

On 2023-06-02 15:38, Woozy Song wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> And it (of course) integrates beautifully with the rest of the Apple
>> line. Something that cannot happen in Android world because they're
>> eating each other. (Not to mention that hardly anyone daily drives
>> Linux on their desktops).
>
> The cost of what you call "seamless" with only Apple products is you're
> logging into Apple servers everywhere you go for every moment of your life.
>
> If that high cost is acceptable - then you are perfect for Apple products.

Explain why that is a "high cost"?

What is it "costing" me?

Am 03.06.23 um 00:01 schrieb nospam:
> In article <u5dn33$39qd2$1@dont-email.me>, Woozy Song
> <suzyw0ng@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> With Android you get standard integration WITHOUT logging into someone
>> else's computers everywhere you are & every moment of your private life.
>
> except for google itself along with countless ad tracking and data
> mining companies plus the app developers themselves, and to top it off,
> the integration isn't even very good.

Android has no integration with anything out of the box. At least my
Pixel 7 hasn't. To get an integration with anything is a very burdensome
process for the owner of an Android device and it hardly ever works as
the iOS-users know it.

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