On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 7:31:08 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:03:55 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:00:12 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 12:13:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 11:47:05 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >> On 9/19/2021 11:47 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> > On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 7:59:31 PM UTC-7, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 2:13:20 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 2:51:09 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Did he refuse vaccination? If so, he was being unreasonable.
> >> >> >>> Frank - If you go on a ventilator, the only way you come off is to the morgue. A ventilator does absolutely nothing to clear the lungs of the flehm build-up that is the problem.
> >> >> >> First, that does nothing to rebut my idea that refusing the vaccine is unreasonable.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> But about your ventilator to morque crack: Next time I see my cycling friend who caught COVID early last year
> >> >> >> and was on a ventilator for over a month, I'll let him know that he's actually dead. He can confirm that by
> >> >> >> emailing you.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I showed you that the vaccine according to the NIH is killed 5-6 people for every one it supposedly saves.
> >> >> Kunich fantasy world: What a weird place!
> >> >
> >> >We know all about you Frank, testimony of a FDA committee member isn't good enough for you. Only the word of Fauci moves your soul. If you had one.
> >> >
> >> >I really wished that I had the brains you have since you seem to know it all. https://proudamerican.site/fda-panel-member-says-covid-vaccines-are-killing-more-than-theyre-saving-during-youtube-livestream/
> >> Yes, you are quoting Steve Kirsch who has no medical training and is
> >> noted for also:
> >>
> >> In May 2021, posted an article online making an unfounded claim that
> >> COVID-19 vaccines affect fertility and the following month, appeared
> >> in a YouTube video posted with Bret Weinstein and Robert W. Malone to
> >> discuss COVID-19 vaccines. In the video, Kirsch makes several false
> >> claims, including that spike proteins used in COVID-19 vaccines are
> >> "very dangerous"
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> John B.
> >News flash, ON YAHOO, so even you can find it - 30,000 women have just reported changes in the menstrual cycles. This can be very serious and a sign of infertility. But then you know all about this don't you?
> Ah well, we discover yet another subject that Tommy Boy knows little
> about.
>
> Try goggling "causes for changes in the menstrual cycles" you get
> some 324,000,000 hits. While there are serious causes for changes,
> many are not serious, well other then indicating infertility for that
> period. Serious female Marathon runners, for example, often see their
> periods stop during periods of intensive training. Tina Muir, who ran
> a personal best of 2:36 at the California International Marathon
> didn't have a period for 9 years.

So the crew chief of a B50 that was never in the Air Force wants to tell us all about fertility now?

On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 7:38:17 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 7:31:08 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> > On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:03:55 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:00:12 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 12:13:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 11:47:05 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> >> On 9/19/2021 11:47 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >> >> > On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 7:59:31 PM UTC-7, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> >> >> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 2:13:20 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> >> >>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 2:51:09 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> >> >>>>
> > >> >> >>>> Did he refuse vaccination? If so, he was being unreasonable.
> > >> >> >>> Frank - If you go on a ventilator, the only way you come off is to the morgue. A ventilator does absolutely nothing to clear the lungs of the flehm build-up that is the problem.
> > >> >> >> First, that does nothing to rebut my idea that refusing the vaccine is unreasonable.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> But about your ventilator to morque crack: Next time I see my cycling friend who caught COVID early last year
> > >> >> >> and was on a ventilator for over a month, I'll let him know that he's actually dead. He can confirm that by
> > >> >> >> emailing you.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I showed you that the vaccine according to the NIH is killed 5-6 people for every one it supposedly saves.
> > >> >> Kunich fantasy world: What a weird place!
> > >> >
> > >> >We know all about you Frank, testimony of a FDA committee member isn't good enough for you. Only the word of Fauci moves your soul. If you had one.
> > >> >
> > >> >I really wished that I had the brains you have since you seem to know it all. https://proudamerican.site/fda-panel-member-says-covid-vaccines-are-killing-more-than-theyre-saving-during-youtube-livestream/
> > >> Yes, you are quoting Steve Kirsch who has no medical training and is
> > >> noted for also:
> > >>
> > >> In May 2021, posted an article online making an unfounded claim that
> > >> COVID-19 vaccines affect fertility and the following month, appeared
> > >> in a YouTube video posted with Bret Weinstein and Robert W. Malone to
> > >> discuss COVID-19 vaccines. In the video, Kirsch makes several false
> > >> claims, including that spike proteins used in COVID-19 vaccines are
> > >> "very dangerous"
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> John B.
> > >News flash, ON YAHOO, so even you can find it - 30,000 women have just reported changes in the menstrual cycles. This can be very serious and a sign of infertility. But then you know all about this don't you?
> > Ah well, we discover yet another subject that Tommy Boy knows little
> > about.
> >
> > Try goggling "causes for changes in the menstrual cycles" you get
> > some 324,000,000 hits. While there are serious causes for changes,
> > many are not serious, well other then indicating infertility for that
> > period. Serious female Marathon runners, for example, often see their
> > periods stop during periods of intensive training. Tina Muir, who ran
> > a personal best of 2:36 at the California International Marathon
> > didn't have a period for 9 years.
> So the crew chief of a B50 that was never in the Air Force wants to tell us all about fertility now?
Just so that it sinks in - that 35,000 women now, were in Great Britain. Some "fertility specialist" said that it was only temporary and wouldn't harm fertility but the problem they are having in GB is that women aren't getting the vaccine because they are afraid that it will harm their chances for having children. So WITHOUT any investigation we have some "fertility expert" telling them that they shouldn't be worried.

ANY changes caused by any medication to fertility periods is nothing to treat so lightly. And perhaps Yahoo shouldn't be treating it so lightly as well.

How many women in the USA have reported these problems and why haven't we heard about that? One thing is for certain - the Hispanics and Blacks do not trust one word coming out of Fauci's mouth and well they shouldn't.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:05:26 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:07:15 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 12:36:49 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 12:17:05 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 4:13:20 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 2:51:09 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> > > On 9/17/2021 2:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Despite seeing the tarbaby...
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > He was declining rapidly on a ventilator. Hospital staff MDs &
>> >> > > > management refused her request. An MD without privileges at that
>> >> > > > hospital was refused access to give him Ivermectin, hence the appeal
>> >> > > > through the courts. A little messy, but no one involved was being
>> >> > > > unreasonable IMHO.
>> >> > > Did he refuse vaccination? If so, he was being unreasonable.
>> >> > Frank - If you go on a ventilator, the only way you come off is to the morgue. A ventilator does absolutely nothing to clear the lungs of the flehm build-up that is the problem.
>> >> https://www.yahoo.com/news/days-full-covid-coverage-over-220408021.html
>> >> "Jamie Azar left a rehab hospital in Tennessee this week with the help of a walker after spending the entire month of August in the ICU and on a ventilator."
>> >>
>> >> More proof, not that we need any more, that Tommy is a liar and knows absolutely nothing.
>> >https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/02/826105278/ventilators-are-no-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients
>> >
>> >"All the early research suggests that once coronavirus patients are placed on a ventilator, they will probably need to stay on it for weeks. And the longer patients remain on a breathing machine, the more likely they are to die."
>> >
>> >Oh, wait, using Ivermectin as they are doing in India stops the need for ventilators, but Russell doesn't know that or anything else for that matter.
>> >
>> >More proof that Russell is incapable of understanding what 90% means. How does it feel to be so stupid that you have to search for an exception to try to prove your point and instead show yourself a moron?
>> Errr.... Tommy! see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efhzEeFVjg
>> to quote: "India's health ministry has revamped the prescribed
>> treatment for COVID-19 patients. According to the new guidelines, the
>> use of ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, antiviral favipiravir,
>> doxycycline, zinc, and vitamins have been completely scrapped"
>
>It must really hurt you to have missed that was dated Jun 8.

Yup, you are right. The date of the announcement seems to be June
2012. If you look on your calendar you will find that it is now
September 2012 so your announcement that "using Ivermectin as they are
doing in India stops the need for ventilators" was, lets see, June,
July, August, September,,, incorrect for 4 months before you made it.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 8:05:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:05:26 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:07:15 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 12:36:49 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 12:17:05 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 4:13:20 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 2:51:09 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >> > > On 9/17/2021 2:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Despite seeing the tarbaby...
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > He was declining rapidly on a ventilator. Hospital staff MDs &
> >> >> > > > management refused her request. An MD without privileges at that
> >> >> > > > hospital was refused access to give him Ivermectin, hence the appeal
> >> >> > > > through the courts. A little messy, but no one involved was being
> >> >> > > > unreasonable IMHO.
> >> >> > > Did he refuse vaccination? If so, he was being unreasonable.
> >> >> > Frank - If you go on a ventilator, the only way you come off is to the morgue. A ventilator does absolutely nothing to clear the lungs of the flehm build-up that is the problem.
> >> >> https://www.yahoo.com/news/days-full-covid-coverage-over-220408021.html
> >> >> "Jamie Azar left a rehab hospital in Tennessee this week with the help of a walker after spending the entire month of August in the ICU and on a ventilator."
> >> >>
> >> >> More proof, not that we need any more, that Tommy is a liar and knows absolutely nothing.
> >> >https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/02/826105278/ventilators-are-no-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients
> >> >
> >> >"All the early research suggests that once coronavirus patients are placed on a ventilator, they will probably need to stay on it for weeks. And the longer patients remain on a breathing machine, the more likely they are to die."
> >> >
> >> >Oh, wait, using Ivermectin as they are doing in India stops the need for ventilators, but Russell doesn't know that or anything else for that matter.
> >> >
> >> >More proof that Russell is incapable of understanding what 90% means. How does it feel to be so stupid that you have to search for an exception to try to prove your point and instead show yourself a moron?
> >> Errr.... Tommy! see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efhzEeFVjg
> >> to quote: "India's health ministry has revamped the prescribed
> >> treatment for COVID-19 patients. According to the new guidelines, the
> >> use of ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, antiviral favipiravir,
> >> doxycycline, zinc, and vitamins have been completely scrapped"
> >
> >It must really hurt you to have missed that was dated Jun 8.
> Yup, you are right. The date of the announcement seems to be June
> 2012. If you look on your calendar you will find that it is now
> September 2012 so your announcement that "using Ivermectin as they are
> doing in India stops the need for ventilators" was, lets see, June,
> July, August, September,,, incorrect for 4 months before you made it.

John, we can see you slipping every posting but this is NOT 2012.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 20:14:34 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 8:05:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:05:26 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:07:15 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 12:36:49 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 12:17:05 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 4:13:20 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 2:51:09 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> >> > > On 9/17/2021 2:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Despite seeing the tarbaby...
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > He was declining rapidly on a ventilator. Hospital staff MDs &
>> >> >> > > > management refused her request. An MD without privileges at that
>> >> >> > > > hospital was refused access to give him Ivermectin, hence the appeal
>> >> >> > > > through the courts. A little messy, but no one involved was being
>> >> >> > > > unreasonable IMHO.
>> >> >> > > Did he refuse vaccination? If so, he was being unreasonable.
>> >> >> > Frank - If you go on a ventilator, the only way you come off is to the morgue. A ventilator does absolutely nothing to clear the lungs of the flehm build-up that is the problem.
>> >> >> https://www.yahoo.com/news/days-full-covid-coverage-over-220408021.html
>> >> >> "Jamie Azar left a rehab hospital in Tennessee this week with the help of a walker after spending the entire month of August in the ICU and on a ventilator."
>> >> >>
>> >> >> More proof, not that we need any more, that Tommy is a liar and knows absolutely nothing.
>> >> >https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/02/826105278/ventilators-are-no-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients
>> >> >
>> >> >"All the early research suggests that once coronavirus patients are placed on a ventilator, they will probably need to stay on it for weeks. And the longer patients remain on a breathing machine, the more likely they are to die."
>> >> >
>> >> >Oh, wait, using Ivermectin as they are doing in India stops the need for ventilators, but Russell doesn't know that or anything else for that matter.
>> >> >
>> >> >More proof that Russell is incapable of understanding what 90% means. How does it feel to be so stupid that you have to search for an exception to try to prove your point and instead show yourself a moron?
>> >> Errr.... Tommy! see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efhzEeFVjg
>> >> to quote: "India's health ministry has revamped the prescribed
>> >> treatment for COVID-19 patients. According to the new guidelines, the
>> >> use of ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, antiviral favipiravir,
>> >> doxycycline, zinc, and vitamins have been completely scrapped"
>> >
>> >It must really hurt you to have missed that was dated Jun 8.
>> Yup, you are right. The date of the announcement seems to be June
>> 2012. If you look on your calendar you will find that it is now
>> September 2012 so your announcement that "using Ivermectin as they are
>> doing in India stops the need for ventilators" was, lets see, June,
>> July, August, September,,, incorrect for 4 months before you made it.
>
>John, we can see you slipping every posting but this is NOT 2012.

Yup you are correct. You caught a "typo". Congratulations.

However that doesn't change the fact that your statement that using
Ivermectin as they are doing in India" is still wrong.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 17:52:08 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 1:07:37 PM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> "ICU outcomes and survival in patients with severe COVID-19 in the
>> largest health care system in central Florida" (March 25, 2021)
>> <https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0249038>
>> The overall hospital mortality and MV-related mortality
>> were 19.8% and 23.8% respectively. After exclusion of
>> hospitalized patients, the hospital and MV-related mortality
>> rates were 21.6% and 26.5% respectively.
>> MV is "Mechanical Ventilation".
>>
>> The report goes on to mention:
>> Mortality rates reported in patients with severe COVID-19
>> in the ICU range from 50-65%. In patients requiring MV,
>> mortality rates have been reported to be as high as 97%.
>>
>> ...recent reports suggest a lower mortality rate.
>>
>> and concludes with:
>> Our study does not support the previously reported
>> overwhelmingly poor outcomes of mechanically ventilated
>> patients with COVID-19 induced respiratory failure and
>> ARDS.
>>
>> Seems a bit different from Tom's alleged 99% mortality rate.

>Tom's repeatedly stated 90% mortality rate.

Sorry. I meant to type 90%. 50-65% mortality rate seems a bit more
reasonable.

Your "repeatedly" doesn't do much for me. I've been busy for about
three weeks and haven't had time to stay up to date with your rantings
in RBT. Today, you've posted 23 messages out of 74 total (31%), of
which I've probably read about 10. You might repeat something
"repeatedly", but it doesn't do much for me if I don't read it.
Perhaps if you write something that's worth reading?

>WHAT OTHER TREATMENTS WERE GIVEN that would lessen the normal time on the ventilator?
>(...)

Nice topic drift towards remdesivir. I'm not up to date on the topic.
I'll wait for the body count and then decide if its worth debating.

Meanwhile, kindly rewind your brain and concentrate on the report I
cited. Quoting:

Our study does not support the previously reported
overwhelmingly poor outcomes of mechanically ventilated
patients with COVID-19 induced respiratory failure and
ARDS.

This rather definitive conclusion suggests that your 90% figure is out
of date or otherwise inaccurate.

>You seem to do this sort of thing whenever you get a chance.

What sort of thing? I provide references, sources, and substantiating
material. Is that a problem for you? It might be because when you do
manage to provide references that allegedly back up your claims, you
don't bother citing the specific text in your reference. That means I
have to slog my way through a mass of text that MIGHT substantiate
your claims. Most of the time, I found your reference to contain
nothing useful or was badly interpreted, seriously out of date, or
from a dubious source. Citing a study that had been retracted by the
publisher is fairly typical. However, you do put considerable effort
into insulting the reader and various sources. Perhaps it would be
better if you leave out the insults and put the time saved into doing
a better job of finding applicable references and substantiating your
claims?

>Why didn't you comment when the morons were saying that obviously I didn't do what I stated because I don't have any patents.

Actually, I think I may have mentioned that along with noting that
your name does not seem to appear in any research reports, medical
studies, surveys, press releases, documentaries, and patent
assignments, which might include the names of the key team members.
However, my main concern is that your online LinkedIn resume does not
include anything of the sort of employment that you claim and seems to
show that you are mostly a programmer.

>Tell us how many patents you have and for what?

No patents. As an RF engineer, I did not invent any new technology or
devices that might justify obtaining a patent. Mostly, I took
existing technology, designed products around the technology, make the
products producible, helped market and sell the products, and helped
the customers use them. Prior to that, my work was in 2way radio,
radio accessories, marketing, field service, etc which normally do not
involve work that produces patents. There were some patents issued on
some of the products I worked with, but those went to the inventors
and designers, not me. If you need a patent to establish your
credibility, you're doing something wrong.

[45 minutes wasted]

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:03:55 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>News flash, ON YAHOO, so even you can find it - 30,000 women have just reported changes in the menstrual cycles. This can be very serious and a sign of infertility. But then you know all about this don't you?

Could you provide the link so I don't have a waste time searching for
what MIGHT be your point? Or, do you really want people to read the
Yahoo article? Perhaps you enjoy the masochistic pleasure of making
everyone work harder to find it so that fewer people will discover
that you're wrong and denounce you in RBT? When you post the link,
please include an exert that demonstrates whatever point you just
failed to make.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 17:54:07 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 12:49:24 PM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 12:13:37 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I really wished that I had the brains you have since you seem to know it all. https://proudamerican.site/fda-panel-member-says-covid-vaccines-are-killing-more-than-theyre-saving-during-youtube-livestream/
>> According to the video, the risk is primarily in teenage boys age
>> 17-18 where 1 in 317 are expected to get myocarditis (inflamation of
>> the myocardium) or pericarditis (inflammation of the pericardium).
>> That's the dissenting opinion of one FDA (Food and Drug
>> Administration) panel on something member. The opinion of the CDC is
>> quite different:
>> <https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html>
>> (Updated Sept. 8, 2021).
>>
>> Should I Still Get Myself or My Child Vaccinated?
>>
>> Yes. CDC continues to recommend that everyone aged
>> 12 years and older get vaccinated for COVID-19. The
>> known risks of COVID-19 illness and its related,
>> possibly severe complications, such as long-term
>> health problems, hospitalization, and even death,
>> far outweigh the potential risks of having a rare
>> adverse reaction to vaccination, including the possible
>> risk of myocarditis or pericarditis.
>>
>> I guess you have to chose between one member of an FDA panel and the
>> CDC.

Nice change of subject. We're no longer discussing 17-18 year old
males having heart problems as a result of vaccination. We're now on
generalized "bad outcomes" and suicide prevention call rates.

>Jeff - think of this - children under the age of 21 have so small a change of a bad outcome from covid-19 that it is incalculable.

I don't understand what you wrote. Please fix the wording.

>So YOU would vaccinate them which has a FAR higher chance of causing damage or death? There is already an 800% increase in children's calls to the suicide hot lines from wearing fucking useless masks. There has to be something wrong with people that cannot understand this is entirely to allow the Democrats to mass mail ballots hence causing election fraud.

That story was from April 2020 and is the overall call rate, not just
for children.
<https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/calls-us-helpline-jump-891-white-house-warned/story?id=70010113>
Last month the "Disaster Distress Helpline" at
the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services
Administration (SAMHSA) saw an 891% increase in
call volume compared with March 2019...

Posting links to your sources of misinformation would be better than
having me find them for you. Or, is this some kind of a game for you?
You make a dubious claim and we're all suppose to burn our time
searching for your source? Please find a more interesting game to
play.

[18 minutes wasted]

--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 9:03:57 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> News flash, ON YAHOO, so even you can find it - 30,000 women have just reported changes in the menstrual cycles. This can be very serious and a sign of infertility. But then you know all about this don't you?

Tommy, there are about 340 million people in the USA. Lets pretend it is 50/50 men women. 170 million females. Then we have to exclude the young girls and maybe the really old ones. I don't know how menstruation works so I don't know if once you get so old it stops. But lets pretend I am right for fun. So lets say 120 million females are menstruating every month in the USA. Or every 28 days. 30,000 / 120,000,000 = 0.025%. I read an article on the internet that said stress and lots of other things cause women to miss/change/delay their menstruation. I doubt the vaccine is causing much if any change in women's menstruation cycle.

On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 11:02:47 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >Why didn't you comment when the morons were saying that obviously I didn't do what I stated because I don't have any patents.
> Actually, I think I may have mentioned that along with noting that
> your name does not seem to appear in any research reports, medical
> studies, surveys, press releases, documentaries, and patent
> assignments, which might include the names of the key team members.
> However, my main concern is that your online LinkedIn resume does not
> include anything of the sort of employment that you claim and seems to
> show that you are mostly a programmer.

Tommy is a computer programmer? Would not have guessed that. But I recall back when computers were just starting, back in the 1980s there were Compaq computers you could buy and use with a green monitor. Green lights on the monitor. And kids and others were writing programs for the Compaq. So having a degree or any studies in programming was not necessary back at the beginning. I suspect today you need a degree to get into programming.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 21:43:55 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 11:02:47 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >Why didn't you comment when the morons were saying that obviously I didn't do what I stated because I don't have any patents.
>> Actually, I think I may have mentioned that along with noting that
>> your name does not seem to appear in any research reports, medical
>> studies, surveys, press releases, documentaries, and patent
>> assignments, which might include the names of the key team members.
>> However, my main concern is that your online LinkedIn resume does not
>> include anything of the sort of employment that you claim and seems to
>> show that you are mostly a programmer.

>Tommy is a computer programmer? Would not have guessed that.

Yep:
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/>

>But I recall back when computers were just starting, back in the 1980s there were Compaq computers you could buy and use with a green monitor. Green lights on the monitor. And kids and others were writing programs for the Compaq. So having a degree or any studies in programming was not necessary back at the beginning. I suspect today you need a degree to get into programming.

I switched from RF (radio) design to computah repair in 1983. At the
time, few people knew anything about personal computahs, and they were
not in the business of dealing with even more clueless end users. I
tried most aspects of the PC (personal computah) business, including
programming. I soon discovered that programming and I were
incompatible, so I went into the hardware end of the business. I did
that until Dec 2020, when I closed my office and officially retired.

When I was trying to become a programmist, I had the pleasure of
meeting other people trying to do the same. At the time (early
1980's), the sales pitch was that anyone who did not know how to
operate and program a computah would not be able to "get ahead". Soon,
everyone would be programming. I won't bore you with why that won't
work. I would usually ask about people's background and found that
many programmers came from engineering related backgrounds. Very few
learned programming from scratch and almost nobody had a CS (computah
science) degree. In those daze, all that was needed was a computer
and software portfolio. One company I worked for had three contract
programmers, all former chemical engineers.

I really don't know what's needed to get into programming these daze.
A degree is always helpful, but for small companies, probably not a
requirement. I've worked for and with very competent people who never
bothered to get a college degree. I would not fault Tom for not
getting a college degree. If he could demonstrate his value, he would
have been welcome at any of the smaller companies at which I had
worked. However, the larger companies have HR (human racehorses)
departments, which are tasked with filtering job applications. Anyone
without a degree would probably be immediately disqualified if HR had
a sufficient number of prospective applicants. However, that was many
years ago and things may have changed.

Incidentally, I graduated from college in 1971.
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/>
Between graduation and today, I have been asked if I had a degree
perhaps 2 or 3 times. I suspect that it was assumed that anyone
practicing engineering had an engineering degree.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 22:16:24 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 21:43:55 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
><ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 11:02:47 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >Why didn't you comment when the morons were saying that obviously I didn't do what I stated because I don't have any patents.
>>> Actually, I think I may have mentioned that along with noting that
>>> your name does not seem to appear in any research reports, medical
>>> studies, surveys, press releases, documentaries, and patent
>>> assignments, which might include the names of the key team members.
>>> However, my main concern is that your online LinkedIn resume does not
>>> include anything of the sort of employment that you claim and seems to
>>> show that you are mostly a programmer.
>
>>Tommy is a computer programmer? Would not have guessed that.
>
>Yep:
><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/>
>
>>But I recall back when computers were just starting, back in the 1980s there were Compaq computers you could buy and use with a green monitor. Green lights on the monitor. And kids and others were writing programs for the Compaq. So having a degree or any studies in programming was not necessary back at the beginning. I suspect today you need a degree to get into programming.
>
>I switched from RF (radio) design to computah repair in 1983. At the
>time, few people knew anything about personal computahs, and they were
>not in the business of dealing with even more clueless end users. I
>tried most aspects of the PC (personal computah) business, including
>programming. I soon discovered that programming and I were
>incompatible, so I went into the hardware end of the business. I did
>that until Dec 2020, when I closed my office and officially retired.
>
>When I was trying to become a programmist, I had the pleasure of
>meeting other people trying to do the same. At the time (early
>1980's), the sales pitch was that anyone who did not know how to
>operate and program a computah would not be able to "get ahead". Soon,
>everyone would be programming. I won't bore you with why that won't
>work. I would usually ask about people's background and found that
>many programmers came from engineering related backgrounds. Very few
>learned programming from scratch and almost nobody had a CS (computah
>science) degree. In those daze, all that was needed was a computer
>and software portfolio. One company I worked for had three contract
>programmers, all former chemical engineers.
>
>I really don't know what's needed to get into programming these daze.
>A degree is always helpful, but for small companies, probably not a
>requirement. I've worked for and with very competent people who never
>bothered to get a college degree. I would not fault Tom for not
>getting a college degree. If he could demonstrate his value, he would
>have been welcome at any of the smaller companies at which I had
>worked. However, the larger companies have HR (human racehorses)
>departments, which are tasked with filtering job applications. Anyone
>without a degree would probably be immediately disqualified if HR had
>a sufficient number of prospective applicants. However, that was many
>years ago and things may have changed.
>
>Incidentally, I graduated from college in 1971.
><https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/>
>Between graduation and today, I have been asked if I had a degree
>perhaps 2 or 3 times. I suspect that it was assumed that anyone
>practicing engineering had an engineering degree.

Well, I have an "Associate" degree in mechanical engineering, which
really isn't much but I got it and I listed it on my resume under
"Education" and I can remember once or maybe twice being interviewed
for a position and the Personnel Guy commented, Oh, Yes! I see you
have a degree, but the main thing that they wanted to see was (1) what
was my experience and (2) who had I worked for.

I might add that the absolute best Civil Guy, for excavations and
fill, what we used to call a "Dirt Stiff" was a guy who might have had
3 or 4 years of school - he had mentioned working as a Bulldozer
Operator when he was 12 years old. He'd go out and look at a work site
for a project we were bidding on and come back and say, Yup, you'll
need 2 front loaders, 4 bulldozers, 7 trucks and it will take 17
days... and it would. ( I probably should add that he had, probably,
40 years of experience (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 9/19/2021 10:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 8:05:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:05:26 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:07:15 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 12:36:49 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 12:17:05 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 4:13:20 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 2:51:09 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/17/2021 2:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Despite seeing the tarbaby...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He was declining rapidly on a ventilator. Hospital staff MDs &
>>>>>>>>> management refused her request. An MD without privileges at that
>>>>>>>>> hospital was refused access to give him Ivermectin, hence the appeal
>>>>>>>>> through the courts. A little messy, but no one involved was being
>>>>>>>>> unreasonable IMHO.
>>>>>>>> Did he refuse vaccination? If so, he was being unreasonable.
>>>>>>> Frank - If you go on a ventilator, the only way you come off is to the morgue. A ventilator does absolutely nothing to clear the lungs of the flehm build-up that is the problem.
>>>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/days-full-covid-coverage-over-220408021.html
>>>>>> "Jamie Azar left a rehab hospital in Tennessee this week with the help of a walker after spending the entire month of August in the ICU and on a ventilator."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More proof, not that we need any more, that Tommy is a liar and knows absolutely nothing.
>>>>> https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/02/826105278/ventilators-are-no-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients
>>>>>
>>>>> "All the early research suggests that once coronavirus patients are placed on a ventilator, they will probably need to stay on it for weeks. And the longer patients remain on a breathing machine, the more likely they are to die."
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, wait, using Ivermectin as they are doing in India stops the need for ventilators, but Russell doesn't know that or anything else for that matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> More proof that Russell is incapable of understanding what 90% means. How does it feel to be so stupid that you have to search for an exception to try to prove your point and instead show yourself a moron?
>>>> Errr.... Tommy! see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efhzEeFVjg
>>>> to quote: "India's health ministry has revamped the prescribed
>>>> treatment for COVID-19 patients. According to the new guidelines, the
>>>> use of ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, antiviral favipiravir,
>>>> doxycycline, zinc, and vitamins have been completely scrapped"
>>>
>>> It must really hurt you to have missed that was dated Jun 8.
>> Yup, you are right. The date of the announcement seems to be June
>> 2012. If you look on your calendar you will find that it is now
>> September 2012 so your announcement that "using Ivermectin as they are
>> doing in India stops the need for ventilators" was, lets see, June,
>> July, August, September,,, incorrect for 4 months before you made it.
>
> John, we can see you slipping every posting but this is NOT 2012.
>

You may be perfect but most of us mis-key all the while.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 8:57:04 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 20:14:34 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 8:05:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:05:26 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:07:15 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 12:36:49 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 12:17:05 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> >> >> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 4:13:20 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 2:51:09 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >> >> > > On 9/17/2021 2:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Despite seeing the tarbaby...
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > He was declining rapidly on a ventilator. Hospital staff MDs &
> >> >> >> > > > management refused her request. An MD without privileges at that
> >> >> >> > > > hospital was refused access to give him Ivermectin, hence the appeal
> >> >> >> > > > through the courts. A little messy, but no one involved was being
> >> >> >> > > > unreasonable IMHO.
> >> >> >> > > Did he refuse vaccination? If so, he was being unreasonable.
> >> >> >> > Frank - If you go on a ventilator, the only way you come off is to the morgue. A ventilator does absolutely nothing to clear the lungs of the flehm build-up that is the problem.
> >> >> >> https://www.yahoo.com/news/days-full-covid-coverage-over-220408021.html
> >> >> >> "Jamie Azar left a rehab hospital in Tennessee this week with the help of a walker after spending the entire month of August in the ICU and on a ventilator."
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> More proof, not that we need any more, that Tommy is a liar and knows absolutely nothing.
> >> >> >https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/02/826105278/ventilators-are-no-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"All the early research suggests that once coronavirus patients are placed on a ventilator, they will probably need to stay on it for weeks. And the longer patients remain on a breathing machine, the more likely they are to die."
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Oh, wait, using Ivermectin as they are doing in India stops the need for ventilators, but Russell doesn't know that or anything else for that matter.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >More proof that Russell is incapable of understanding what 90% means. How does it feel to be so stupid that you have to search for an exception to try to prove your point and instead show yourself a moron?
> >> >> Errr.... Tommy! see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efhzEeFVjg
> >> >> to quote: "India's health ministry has revamped the prescribed
> >> >> treatment for COVID-19 patients. According to the new guidelines, the
> >> >> use of ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, antiviral favipiravir,
> >> >> doxycycline, zinc, and vitamins have been completely scrapped"
> >> >
> >> >It must really hurt you to have missed that was dated Jun 8.
> >> Yup, you are right. The date of the announcement seems to be June
> >> 2012. If you look on your calendar you will find that it is now
> >> September 2012 so your announcement that "using Ivermectin as they are
> >> doing in India stops the need for ventilators" was, lets see, June,
> >> July, August, September,,, incorrect for 4 months before you made it.
> >
> >John, we can see you slipping every posting but this is NOT 2012.
> Yup you are correct. You caught a "typo". Congratulations.
>
> However that doesn't change the fact that your statement that using
> Ivermectin as they are doing in India" is still wrong.

What we need is another of your ignorant "New York Times Reported" stories. Then tell us again that it was a typo and not your failing memory since you did it twice.

On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 9:14:06 PM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:03:55 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >News flash, ON YAHOO, so even you can find it - 30,000 women have just reported changes in the menstrual cycles. This can be very serious and a sign of infertility. But then you know all about this don't you?
> Could you provide the link so I don't have a waste time searching for
> what MIGHT be your point? Or, do you really want people to read the
> Yahoo article? Perhaps you enjoy the masochistic pleasure of making
> everyone work harder to find it so that fewer people will discover
> that you're wrong and denounce you in RBT? When you post the link,
> please include an exert that demonstrates whatever point you just
> failed to make.

So you would rather waste your time telling us that you're wasting your time?

On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 10:16:32 PM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 21:43:55 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 11:02:47 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >Why didn't you comment when the morons were saying that obviously I didn't do what I stated because I don't have any patents.
> >> Actually, I think I may have mentioned that along with noting that
> >> your name does not seem to appear in any research reports, medical
> >> studies, surveys, press releases, documentaries, and patent
> >> assignments, which might include the names of the key team members.
> >> However, my main concern is that your online LinkedIn resume does not
> >> include anything of the sort of employment that you claim and seems to
> >> show that you are mostly a programmer.
>
> >Tommy is a computer programmer? Would not have guessed that.
> Yep:
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/>
> >But I recall back when computers were just starting, back in the 1980s there were Compaq computers you could buy and use with a green monitor. Green lights on the monitor. And kids and others were writing programs for the Compaq. So having a degree or any studies in programming was not necessary back at the beginning. I suspect today you need a degree to get into programming.
> I switched from RF (radio) design to computah repair in 1983. At the
> time, few people knew anything about personal computahs, and they were
> not in the business of dealing with even more clueless end users. I
> tried most aspects of the PC (personal computah) business, including
> programming. I soon discovered that programming and I were
> incompatible, so I went into the hardware end of the business. I did
> that until Dec 2020, when I closed my office and officially retired.
>
> When I was trying to become a programmist, I had the pleasure of
> meeting other people trying to do the same. At the time (early
> 1980's), the sales pitch was that anyone who did not know how to
> operate and program a computah would not be able to "get ahead". Soon,
> everyone would be programming. I won't bore you with why that won't
> work. I would usually ask about people's background and found that
> many programmers came from engineering related backgrounds. Very few
> learned programming from scratch and almost nobody had a CS (computah
> science) degree. In those daze, all that was needed was a computer
> and software portfolio. One company I worked for had three contract
> programmers, all former chemical engineers.
>
> I really don't know what's needed to get into programming these daze.
> A degree is always helpful, but for small companies, probably not a
> requirement. I've worked for and with very competent people who never
> bothered to get a college degree. I would not fault Tom for not
> getting a college degree. If he could demonstrate his value, he would
> have been welcome at any of the smaller companies at which I had
> worked. However, the larger companies have HR (human racehorses)
> departments, which are tasked with filtering job applications. Anyone
> without a degree would probably be immediately disqualified if HR had
> a sufficient number of prospective applicants. However, that was many
> years ago and things may have changed.
>
> Incidentally, I graduated from college in 1971.
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/>
> Between graduation and today, I have been asked if I had a degree
> perhaps 2 or 3 times. I suspect that it was assumed that anyone
> practicing engineering had an engineering degree.

Strange that you would reference my LinkedIn page (which says that I'm looking for work despite me changing that to "retired" months ago) and NOT reference at the same time my recommendations. But then that is the sort of person you are aren't you?

I'm sure that your degree if you actually have one would have really helped you repair computers that were designed and programmed by people without degrees. But that is also the sort of person you are, right?

On Monday, September 20, 2021 at 5:41:36 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 9/19/2021 10:14 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 8:05:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 19:05:26 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 6:07:15 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 19 Sep 2021 12:36:49 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sunday, September 19, 2021 at 12:17:05 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Saturday, September 18, 2021 at 4:13:20 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Friday, September 17, 2021 at 2:51:09 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 9/17/2021 2:52 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Despite seeing the tarbaby...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> He was declining rapidly on a ventilator. Hospital staff MDs &
> >>>>>>>>> management refused her request. An MD without privileges at that
> >>>>>>>>> hospital was refused access to give him Ivermectin, hence the appeal
> >>>>>>>>> through the courts. A little messy, but no one involved was being
> >>>>>>>>> unreasonable IMHO.
> >>>>>>>> Did he refuse vaccination? If so, he was being unreasonable.
> >>>>>>> Frank - If you go on a ventilator, the only way you come off is to the morgue. A ventilator does absolutely nothing to clear the lungs of the flehm build-up that is the problem.
> >>>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/days-full-covid-coverage-over-220408021.html
> >>>>>> "Jamie Azar left a rehab hospital in Tennessee this week with the help of a walker after spending the entire month of August in the ICU and on a ventilator."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> More proof, not that we need any more, that Tommy is a liar and knows absolutely nothing.
> >>>>> https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/02/826105278/ventilators-are-no-panacea-for-critically-ill-covid-19-patients
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "All the early research suggests that once coronavirus patients are placed on a ventilator, they will probably need to stay on it for weeks. And the longer patients remain on a breathing machine, the more likely they are to die."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh, wait, using Ivermectin as they are doing in India stops the need for ventilators, but Russell doesn't know that or anything else for that matter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> More proof that Russell is incapable of understanding what 90% means. How does it feel to be so stupid that you have to search for an exception to try to prove your point and instead show yourself a moron?
> >>>> Errr.... Tommy! see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efhzEeFVjg
> >>>> to quote: "India's health ministry has revamped the prescribed
> >>>> treatment for COVID-19 patients. According to the new guidelines, the
> >>>> use of ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, antiviral favipiravir,
> >>>> doxycycline, zinc, and vitamins have been completely scrapped"
> >>>
> >>> It must really hurt you to have missed that was dated Jun 8.
> >> Yup, you are right. The date of the announcement seems to be June
> >> 2012. If you look on your calendar you will find that it is now
> >> September 2012 so your announcement that "using Ivermectin as they are
> >> doing in India stops the need for ventilators" was, lets see, June,
> >> July, August, September,,, incorrect for 4 months before you made it.
> >
> > John, we can see you slipping every posting but this is NOT 2012.
> >
> You may be perfect but most of us mis-key all the while.

And I am well aware of that but you have used any typos I make as absolute proof that I am lying. Go shit your pants somewhere else.