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 by: Alan Browne - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 15:12 UTC

An article in the WaPo. I'll put a gift link below.

This applies to the US.
(Yes, we know Europeans, esp. in the north, are even more "wireless").

The data is gathered by the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS)
- who began tracking this around 2000 as they wanted to know if there
were correlations to health outcomes. They also worried that cell phone
use might reduce their ability to gather statistics (through phone
interviews) and skew their data.

Key findings (2022).
Wireless only: 72.7%
Landline and wireless: 25.4%
Landline only: 1.3%

<<< “People who have cut the cord” — abandoning landlines to rely only
on wireless — “are generally more likely to engage in risky behaviors,”
Blumberg told us. “They’re more likely to binge drink, more likely to
smoke and more likely to go without health insurance.” That’s true even
when researchers control for age, sex, race, ethnicity and income. >>>

25..34 year olds are most likely to be landline free (~90%).
and the more elderly more likely to still have a landline (no surprise)

Race/ethnicity has a small effect with Hispanic/Latino's most likely to
be wireless, Asians in between, and whites+black less likely to wireless
only. (But all are gathered in a narrow band of 70 .. 80%).

Gender and Education level has little to do with it.

Higher affluence = more likely to have a land line.

Northeast: more likely to have a landline. This seems (per the article)
to be linked to Verizon's business model over the decades.

Urban or rural: little difference.

Shift to wireless only has been constant rate since about 2003 (maybe
longer) at an average of 3.7% per year.

Most landlines now are VoIP.
(Didn't specify type - the "cheap Magic Jack" sort (minimal, LAN based,
no backup, not strictly well integrated with local emergency); or the
robust sort directly integrated into the modem at the end of the cable
or fibre and correctly integrated with local emergency services).

AT&T's "landline" revenue is about 35X smaller than wireless and plans
to cut "copper" by half over the next 2 years.

Link - not sure if multiple people can access this.
https://wapo.st/430fbww

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“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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 by: AJL - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 16:32 UTC

On 6/26/2023 8:12 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

> An article in the WaPo. I'll put a gift link below.

> “People who have cut the cord” — abandoning landlines to rely only on
> wireless — “are generally more likely to engage in risky behaviors,”
> Blumberg told us.

I cut the cord because my cell phone (using Wi-Fi calling) and my
landline (VoIP) both used the same cable with the same apparent
(non-risky) reliability. So why pay for 2 lines...

> https://wapo.st/430fbww

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 16:42 UTC

Am 26.06.23 um 17:12 schrieb Alan Browne:
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> An article in the WaPo. I'll put a gift link below.

The findings very much apply to what we experience here in Central
Europe. No material differences.

Whether there is a tendency of wireless-onlys to engage in risky
behavior is unknown.

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 16:46 UTC

Am 26.06.23 um 18:32 schrieb AJL:
> On 6/26/2023 8:12 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> An article in the WaPo. I'll put a gift link below.
>
>> “People who have cut the cord” — abandoning landlines to rely only on
>> wireless — “are generally more likely to engage in risky behaviors,”
>> Blumberg told us.
>
> I cut the cord because my cell phone (using Wi-Fi calling) and my
> landline (VoIP) both used the same cable with the same apparent
> (non-risky) reliability. So why pay for 2 lines...

And here for private households landline is free for those who are also
buying the internet access. Domestic calls being also free.

VOIP is standard anyway.

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 by: News - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 17:10 UTC

On 6/26/2023 11:12 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

> <<<  “People who have cut the cord” — abandoning landlines to rely only
> on wireless — “are generally more likely to engage in risky behaviors,”
> Blumberg told us. “They’re more likely to binge drink, more likely to
> smoke and more likely to go without health insurance.” That’s true even
> when researchers control for age, sex, race, ethnicity and income. >>>
It's been a bad few weeks to be a behavioral scientist...

https://www.science.org/content/article/harvard-behavioral-scientist-aces-research-fraud-allegations

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 by: Alan Browne - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 17:31 UTC

On 2023-06-26 12:32, AJL wrote:
> On 6/26/2023 8:12 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> An article in the WaPo.  I'll put a gift link below.
>
>> “People who have cut the cord” — abandoning landlines to rely only on
>> wireless — “are generally more likely to engage in risky behaviors,”
>> Blumberg told us.
>
> I cut the cord because my cell phone (using Wi-Fi calling) and my
> landline (VoIP) both used the same cable with the same apparent
> (non-risky) reliability. So why pay for 2 lines...

Cell service here was adequate but imperfect up until a few years ago.
I had dumped the ISP (Cable) VoIP in favour of much cheaper MagicJack
VoIP and had that for 10 or 12 years. (US$120 / 5 years + annual number
reserving fees - unlimited long distance in North America).

Noticed cell quality was improving (can hold a long call from my
basement w/o issues at all).

So dumped the VoIP too - cell only for a couple years now.

--
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-Ronald Coase

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 by: sms - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 17:57 UTC

On 6/26/2023 10:10 AM, News wrote:
> On 6/26/2023 11:12 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> <<<  “People who have cut the cord” — abandoning landlines to rely
>> only on wireless — “are generally more likely to engage in risky
>> behaviors,” Blumberg told us. “They’re more likely to binge drink,
>> more likely to smoke and more likely to go without health insurance.”
>> That’s true even when researchers control for age, sex, race,
>> ethnicity and income. >>>
> It's been a bad few weeks to be a behavioral scientist...
>
> https://www.science.org/content/article/harvard-behavioral-scientist-aces-research-fraud-allegations

Hmm, what about a line using an ATA with Google Voice? I did this to
keep a landline at no cost, but really just for E-911 since there are
advantages to E-911 service with a landline, either copper or VOIP.
However E-911 service costs me $18 per year.

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“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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 by: AJL - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 18:11 UTC

On 6/26/2023 10:31 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-06-26 12:32, AJL wrote:

>> I cut the cord because my cell phone (using Wi-Fi calling) and my
>> landline (VoIP) both used the same cable with the same apparent
>> (non-risky) reliability. So why pay for 2 lines...

> Cell service here was adequate but imperfect up until a few years
> ago. I had dumped the ISP (Cable) VoIP in favour of much cheaper
> MagicJack VoIP and had that for 10 or 12 years. (US$120 / 5 years +
> annual number reserving fees - unlimited long distance in North
> America).

> Noticed cell quality was improving (can hold a long call from my
> basement w/o issues at all).

> So dumped the VoIP too - cell only for a couple years now.

Likely depends on where you live in relation to the tower and/or how
busy it is. I've used the WiFi calling feature since I got my cell 3+
years ago. So could be things over the air here are better now...

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 by: AJL - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 18:11 UTC

On 6/26/2023 9:46 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 26.06.23 um 18:32 schrieb AJL:

>> I cut the cord because my cell phone (using Wi-Fi calling) and my
>> landline (VoIP) both used the same cable with the same apparent
>> (non-risky) reliability. So why pay for 2 lines...

> And here for private households landline is free for those who are
> also buying the internet access.

My ISP billing separates its services so I saved a few bucks by quitting
the landline.

> Domestic calls being also free.

Same here (USA). Big change from when I was a kid and there were long
distance charges for calling across a town boundary. Us hams used to
beat the system with a local 2 meter mountaintop repeater/autopatch.
Wasn't very private though...

> VOIP is standard anyway.

I think so here too now. My house (built in 2000) has actual phone
twisted-pair wires in the walls. I used them for a few years before I
switched. The company that serviced the wires is now installing fiber in
the area so I imagine my cable will soon be obsolete too...

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 by: Alan Browne - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 21:41 UTC

On 2023-06-26 14:11, AJL wrote:
> On 6/26/2023 10:31 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-06-26 12:32, AJL wrote:
>
>>> I cut the cord because my cell phone (using Wi-Fi calling) and my
>>> landline (VoIP) both used the same cable with the same apparent
>>> (non-risky) reliability. So why pay for 2 lines...
>
>> Cell service here was adequate but imperfect up until a few years
>> ago. I had dumped the ISP (Cable) VoIP in favour of much cheaper
>> MagicJack VoIP and had that for 10 or 12 years.  (US$120 / 5 years +
>> annual number reserving fees - unlimited long distance in North
>> America).
>
>> Noticed cell quality was improving (can hold a long call from my
>> basement w/o issues at all).
>
>> So dumped the VoIP too - cell only for a couple years now.
>
> Likely depends on where you live in relation to the tower and/or how

More like the equipment keeps being upgraded - technology and or
capacity. I haven't noticed any new tower sites - and there are mapping
apps that tell you where they are - my carrier (Rogers) hasn't added any
locations near here in 10+ years.

But service has improved over the past 5 years or less.

Nearest one is 923m away - On top of a 120kV powerline transmission
tower (not esp. tall - firing over the woods). Per a site that tracks
these details, it's only 15m up. Poor Fresnel zone.

Higher towers are 1600m south and 1650m north.

> busy it is. I've used the WiFi calling feature since I got my cell 3+
> years ago. So could be things over the air here are better now...

Yep - worth some experiments to see if it has improved.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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 by: Alan Browne - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 21:43 UTC

On 2023-06-26 13:10, News wrote:
> On 6/26/2023 11:12 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> <<<  “People who have cut the cord” — abandoning landlines to rely
>> only on wireless — “are generally more likely to engage in risky
>> behaviors,” Blumberg told us. “They’re more likely to binge drink,
>> more likely to smoke and more likely to go without health insurance.”
>> That’s true even when researchers control for age, sex, race,
>> ethnicity and income. >>>
> It's been a bad few weeks to be a behavioral scientist...
>
> https://www.science.org/content/article/harvard-behavioral-scientist-aces-research-fraud-allegations

Completely irrelevant.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
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 by: Ken Blake - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 22:06 UTC

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 11:11:44 -0700, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>On 6/26/2023 9:46 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 26.06.23 um 18:32 schrieb AJL:
>
>>> I cut the cord because my cell phone (using Wi-Fi calling) and my
>>> landline (VoIP) both used the same cable with the same apparent
>>> (non-risky) reliability. So why pay for 2 lines...
>
>> And here for private households landline is free for those who are
>> also buying the internet access.
>
>My ISP billing separates its services so I saved a few bucks by quitting
>the landline.

I'm going to dump my landline very soon--not to save money, but to
save me from all the spam I get on it.

>> Domestic calls being also free.
>
>Same here (USA). Big change from when I was a kid and there were long
>distance charges for calling across a town boundary. Us hams used to
>beat the system with a local 2 meter mountaintop repeater/autopatch.
>Wasn't very private though...
>
>> VOIP is standard anyway.
>
>I think so here too now. My house (built in 2000) has actual phone
>twisted-pair wires in the walls. I used them for a few years before I
>switched. The company that serviced the wires is now installing fiber in
>the area so I imagine my cable will soon be obsolete too...
>

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 by: AJL - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 23:13 UTC

On 6/26/2023 3:06 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

> I'm going to dump my landline very soon--not to save money, but to
> save me from all the spam I get on it.

Yup. I had a lot of spam with my landline too. I subscribed to a spam
blocker at the time and that cut them down but didn't eliminate them.
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do that...

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 by: AJL - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 23:13 UTC

On 6/26/2023 2:41 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-06-26 14:11, AJL wrote:

>> Likely [home cell service] depends on where you live in relation to
>> the tower and/or how busy it is.

> More like the equipment keeps being upgraded - technology and or
> capacity. I haven't noticed any new tower sites - and there are
> mapping apps that tell you where they are -

When I moved to this Phoenix suburb in 2000 the population was 20K. Now
it's over 100K. So I imagine capacity improvement here was important
with my carrier.

> my carrier (Rogers) hasn't added any locations near here in 10+
> years.

I've never checked my tower locations. But the ones I've seen near me
are painted like palm trees. Really look dumb...

> But service has improved over the past 5 years or less.

I've never had a service complaint in my area but then I don't use the
phone all that much. Mainly just for browsing when out and about killing
time waiting for you know who.

>> I've used the WiFi calling feature since I got my cell 3+ years
>> ago. So could be things over the air here are better now...

> Yep - worth some experiments to see if it has improved.

A couple of years back I had a 20 hour power outage (no WiFi) and the
service worked well enough to use the power company's app for update
info. So it may be just fine. But the WiFi calling works just fine so
why change?

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 by: sms - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 23:16 UTC

On 6/26/2023 4:13 PM, AJL wrote:
> On 6/26/2023 3:06 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> I'm going to dump my landline very soon--not to save money, but to
>> save me from all the spam I get on it.
>
> Yup. I had a lot of spam with my landline too. I subscribed to a spam
> blocker at the time and that cut them down but didn't eliminate them.
> With my cell I just leave the Do Not Disturb feature on all the time
> with only my contacts allowed through. Course I realize not everyone can
> do that...

Google Voice call-screening eliminates most spam. I use it with an
Polycom/Obihai box.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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 by: Alan Browne - Mon, 26 Jun 2023 23:47 UTC

On 2023-06-26 19:13, AJL wrote:
> On 6/26/2023 2:41 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-06-26 14:11, AJL wrote:
>
>>> Likely [home cell service] depends on where you live in relation to
>>> the tower and/or how busy it is.
>
>> More like the equipment keeps being upgraded - technology and or
>> capacity.  I haven't noticed any new tower sites - and there are
>> mapping apps that tell you where they are -
>
> When I moved to this Phoenix suburb in 2000 the population was 20K. Now
> it's over 100K. So I imagine capacity improvement here was important
> with my carrier.
>
>> my carrier (Rogers) hasn't added any locations near here in 10+
>> years.
>
> I've never checked my tower locations. But the ones I've seen near me
> are painted like palm trees. Really look dumb...

In NH/CT, they sometimes look like pine trees. Not horrible, but ...

When a friend of mine was involved in getting spectrum licenses in
Canada part of the regulation said that in some areas you had to
disguise the towers or "make a statement". To make a "statement" one
would create some abstract monstrosity that didn't look like a cell
tower but incorporated the antennas ...

>> But service has improved over the past 5 years or less.
>
> I've never had a service complaint in my area but then I don't use the
> phone all that much. Mainly just for browsing when out and about killing
> time waiting for you know who.
>
>>> I've used the WiFi calling feature since I got my cell 3+ years
>>> ago. So could be things over the air here are better now...
>
>> Yep - worth some experiments to see if it has improved.
>
> A couple of years back I had a 20 hour power outage (no WiFi) and the
> service worked well enough to use the power company's app for update
> info. So it may be just fine. But the WiFi calling works just fine so
> why change?

When I read my cellco. T&Cs for WiFi calling, coupled to what happens if
I'm traveling outside Canada, and the exceptions, etc. I find it less
bother to simply leave WiFi calling off.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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 by: AJL - Tue, 27 Jun 2023 00:20 UTC

On 6/26/2023 4:47 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-06-26 19:13, AJL wrote:

>> the ones [cell towers] I've seen near me are painted like palm
>> trees. Really look dumb...

> In NH/CT, they sometimes look like pine trees. Not horrible, but
> ...

We had a good chuckle when we saw our first painted palm tree cell
tower. Even funnier, it was (and still is) planted in the middle of an
RV storage yard. A real natural setting...

> When I read my cellco. T&Cs for WiFi calling, coupled to what happens
> if I'm traveling outside Canada, and the exceptions, etc. I find it
> less bother to simply leave WiFi calling off.

Not sure what you mean here. Perhaps your service is different. My WiFi
Calling automatically uses any WiFi my phone is connected to and then
automatically reconnects to the cell service when it loses the signal. I
haven't had to mess with it in years.

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 by: Alan Browne - Tue, 27 Jun 2023 00:42 UTC

On 2023-06-26 20:20, AJL wrote:
> On 6/26/2023 4:47 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-06-26 19:13, AJL wrote:
>
>>> the ones [cell towers] I've seen near me are painted like palm
>>> trees. Really look dumb...
>
>> In NH/CT, they sometimes look like pine trees.  Not horrible, but
>> ...
>
> We had a good chuckle when we saw our first painted palm tree cell
> tower. Even funnier, it was (and still is) planted in the middle of an
> RV storage yard. A real natural setting...
>
>> When I read my cellco. T&Cs for WiFi calling, coupled to what happens
>> if I'm traveling outside Canada, and the exceptions, etc. I find it
>> less bother to simply leave WiFi calling off.
>
> Not sure what you mean here. Perhaps your service is different. My WiFi
> Calling automatically uses any WiFi my phone is connected to and then
> automatically reconnects to the cell service when it loses the signal. I
> haven't had to mess with it in years.

Just comes down to reading the T&Cs and the many mentions of possible
fees and some issues wrt to emergency numbers and location services.
Probably not a big deal, but wherever I go there is sufficient coverage
or I can wait for more coverage.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

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 by: AJL - Tue, 27 Jun 2023 01:13 UTC

On 6/26/2023 5:42 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-06-26 20:20, AJL wrote:
>> On 6/26/2023 4:47 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

>>> When I read my cellco. T&Cs for WiFi calling, coupled to what
>>> happens if I'm traveling outside Canada, and the exceptions,
>>> etc. I find it less bother to simply leave WiFi calling off.

>> Not sure what you mean here. Perhaps your service is different. My
>> WiFi Calling automatically uses any WiFi my phone is connected to
>> and then automatically reconnects to the cell service when it
>> loses the signal. I haven't had to mess with it in years.

> Just comes down to reading the T&Cs and the many mentions of possible
> fees

Guess YMMV. No extra fees on mine.

> and some issues wrt to emergency numbers and location services.

My WiFi Calling settings has has an emergency location information page
where you can enter your address for 911 calls.

> Probably not a big deal, but wherever I go there is sufficient
> coverage or I can wait for more coverage.

Sounds reasonable. Only once that I can remember that it actually saved
me. I had no service at a grandkids house. After I hooked to her WiFi I
had service. From then on when I went there the phone automatically
hooked to the WiFi and I had service...

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Tue, 27 Jun 2023 05:21 UTC

Am 27.06.23 um 01:13 schrieb AJL:
> On 6/26/2023 3:06 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> I'm going to dump my landline very soon--not to save money, but to
>> save me from all the spam I get on it.
>
> Yup. I had a lot of spam with my landline too. I subscribed to a spam
> blocker at the time and that cut them down but didn't eliminate them.
> With my cell I just leave the Do Not Disturb feature on all the time
> with only my contacts allowed through. Course I realize not everyone can
> do that...

Here the market leader and also other providers offer very powerful
tools to stop that. We do not spam calls anymore. On top Filters can be
set with variables: "+1*" would ban all numbers from the US as an
example. Whitelisting is also possible. It takes a little effort but it
is worth it.

Sound quality of landlines is still superior to mobile connections.

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

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 by: AJL - Tue, 27 Jun 2023 06:12 UTC

On 6/26/2023 10:21 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

> Sound quality of landlines is still superior to mobile connections.

I was chatting on the phone with the wife tonight. She's visiting
relatives in ID while I'm still in AZ (USA). The call was so clear that
I could hear and understand folks talking in the background. Better than
any landline I remember from the past. But perhaps landlines have
improved here too...

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 by: sms - Tue, 27 Jun 2023 06:30 UTC

On 6/26/2023 11:12 PM, AJL wrote:
> On 6/26/2023 10:21 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>
>> Sound quality of landlines is still superior to mobile connections.
>
> I was chatting on the phone with the wife tonight. She's visiting
> relatives in ID while I'm still in AZ (USA). The call was so clear that
> I could hear and understand folks talking in the background. Better than
> any landline I remember from the past. But perhaps landlines have
> improved here too..

Jorge is wrong of course™.

HD Voice on a mobile phone is far superior to a POTS copper landline
connection unless you're a very weak mobile signal area.

"Since an HD voice call is defined as delivering at least twice the
sound range of a traditional phone call, an HD voice call will have a
range of about 7 kHz -- or more." Copper tops out at about 3300 Hz.

However the number of landlines that still have a dedicated copper pair
back to the central office is not that great anymore. You may have
copper between the home the node, then fiber (FTTN) from the node.
Increasingly you have FTTH and if you're still using an analog landline
phone then you have some sort of an ATA (analog telephone adapter). Or
you may have coax to the home from fiber on the pole

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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 by: AJL - Tue, 27 Jun 2023 06:53 UTC

On 6/26/2023 11:30 PM, sms wrote:
> On 6/26/2023 11:12 PM, AJL wrote:
>> On 6/26/2023 10:21 PM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:

>>> Sound quality of landlines is still superior to mobile connections.

>> I was chatting on the phone with the wife tonight. She's visiting
>> relatives in ID while I'm still in AZ (USA). The call was so clear that
>> I could hear and understand folks talking in the background. Better than
>> any landline I remember from the past. But perhaps landlines have
>> improved here too..

> HD Voice on a mobile phone is far superior to a POTS copper landline
> connection unless you're a very weak mobile signal area.

When I said landline I meant VoIP which is what I had been using for
several years before I quit. But in all fairness I used it through a
cordless phone system which likely also affected the questionable
quality I remembered...

BTW in the interest of group peace I might mention that I have an
Android phone and the wife's is an iPhone. So that terrific quality of
my earlier mentioned phone call was a product of manufacturer
cooperation... ;)

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 by: Chris - Tue, 27 Jun 2023 07:33 UTC

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>
> An article in the WaPo. I'll put a gift link below.
>
> This applies to the US.
> (Yes, we know Europeans, esp. in the north, are even more "wireless").
>
> The data is gathered by the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS)
> - who began tracking this around 2000 as they wanted to know if there
> were correlations to health outcomes. They also worried that cell phone
> use might reduce their ability to gather statistics (through phone
> interviews) and skew their data.
>
> Key findings (2022).
> Wireless only: 72.7%
> Landline and wireless: 25.4%
> Landline only: 1.3%
>
> <<< “People who have cut the cord” — abandoning landlines to rely only
> on wireless — “are generally more likely to engage in risky behaviors,”
> Blumberg told us. “They’re more likely to binge drink, more likely to
> smoke and more likely to go without health insurance.” That’s true even
> when researchers control for age, sex, race, ethnicity and income. >>>

This sounds completely spurious. Do they offer any plausible reason for how
landline usage or not affects unrelated behaviours?

Or are we all to look forward to debauched lives when we're free of
landlines? I wonder what's holding us back?

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 by: Joerg Lorenz - Tue, 27 Jun 2023 08:32 UTC

Am 27.06.23 um 09:33 schrieb Chris:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> <<< “People who have cut the cord” — abandoning landlines to rely only
>> on wireless — “are generally more likely to engage in risky behaviors,”
>> Blumberg told us. “They’re more likely to binge drink, more likely to
>> smoke and more likely to go without health insurance.” That’s true even
>> when researchers control for age, sex, race, ethnicity and income. >>>
>
> This sounds completely spurious. Do they offer any plausible reason for how
> landline usage or not affects unrelated behaviours?
>
> Or are we all to look forward to debauched lives when we're free of
> landlines? I wonder what's holding us back?

This article is more for fun. We no nothing about the way the data were
gathered and the question of statistical relevance is not answered at all.

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