I have a Motorola Stylus (2020). It's a good phone, but
the battery doesn't hold a charge well anymore, and I think
I need more system RAM. If I play youtube music in the car
while navigating, the UI becomes very slow, almost locks up.
I think I need some more horesepower and RAM.

The Stylus was a great deal at $200, but I'm looking around
for something newer. The important points are:

* Huge display, the bigger the better. At least 1080p, more
is great. I really want a phablet.

* Large battery would be nice.

* I like an aspect ration that is not too tall/skinny. The
aspect of a modern movie would be good.

Should be under $400. Maybe a tad more for an awesome pone.

Near-field communication would be cool, as would wireless
charging.

Thanks!

On 2023-06-26 17:46, Tobiah wrote:
> I have a Motorola Stylus (2020).  It's a good phone, but
> the battery doesn't hold a charge well anymore, and I think
> I need more system RAM.  If I play youtube music in the car
> while navigating, the UI becomes very slow, almost locks up.
> I think I need some more horesepower and RAM.
>
> The Stylus was a great deal at $200, but I'm looking around
> for something newer.  The important points are:
>
> * Huge display, the bigger the better.  At least 1080p, more
> is great.  I really want a phablet.
>
> * Large battery would be nice.
>
> * I like an aspect ration that is not too tall/skinny.  The
> aspect of a modern movie would be good.
>
> Should be under $400.  Maybe a tad more for an awesome pone.
>
> Near-field communication would be cool, as would wireless
> charging.

I have both a Motorola G52 and a "G62 5G", both less than or around
300€. The G52 I use on the car, connected to the "Android Auto" system.
With my usage, the most used one, the G52, takes about 20% of the
battery on the day; I charge it while I sleep. 5000 mAh.

But they are not "phablets".

Screen is 6.5 inches (161,83 × 73,96 × 8,59 mm). 2400x1080 pixels, 20:9.

So far, I'm happy with them.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Jun 26, 2023, Carlos E.R. wrote
(in article<news:suuomjxtdb.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>):

> But they are not "phablets".
>
> Screen is 6.5 inches (161,83 � 73,96 � 8,59 mm). 2400x1080 pixels, 20:9.

I've had as many phones as anyone, just like I've had as many computers as
anyone, or as many watches (real watches, not computerized ones) as anyone.

At some point in all emerging technologies, the technology matures to the
point that it gets so cheap and so good that the details stop mattering.

I think Android is at that level where even a two hundred dollar Android
comes with essentially the same capabilities as a four or eight hundred
dollar Android.

What's going to be different is mostly the camera, and the wireless
charging, as batteries are almost always larger than they need to be for
Android phones.

In terms of price range, paradoxically, the higher end phones tend to be
missing key useful hardware that most of the lower end and midrange have
(such as the sd card slots & aux jacks).

Given almost every Android phone is very usable nowadays, my recommendation
is to get the SIZE you want, first and foremost (where I never found the
current modern screen resolution & refresh rates to matter at all).

Once you have the size, then I'd aim for the most ram (4GB is probably at a
good price point) and CPU speeds (1-1/2 GHz is likely at a good price
point) and of course, you want as much internal storage (64GB is still
pretty good, especially with sd slots that allow virtually infinite
portable storage options).

In short, almost any Android of the size you desire will have what you
asked for but I'd aim for at least 4GB RAM, at least 64GB of storage, at
least a 5AH battery (most will be larger than that) and at least a 1-1/2
GHz CPU speed with a portable storage slot and a 3.5mm headphone jack.

The hardest thing to get at a low price will be the wireless charging.

Ron, the humblest guy in town.

Tobiah <toby+esnews@tobiah.org> wrote:

> I have a Motorola Stylus (2020). It's a good phone, but the battery
> doesn't hold a charge well anymore, and I think I need more system
> RAM. If I play youtube music in the car while navigating, the UI
> becomes very slow, almost locks up. I think I need some more
> horesepower and RAM.

4 GB RAM should be plenty as long as you don't slap on a ton of apps
that are "sticky", so they want to load on startup of the phone, and you
don't keep tons of apps backgrounded. Android is not like Windows or
Linux where when you exit an app it then unloads from memory. When you
exit an app in Android, the OS does not unload the app. Instead it
backgrounds the app to leave it ready for faster loading on next use.
It's a way for the OS to lie about the load time of an app by letting
you think the app was unloaded when it is really still running. Only
when RAM is needed for a newly loaded app, and if not enough RAM for
that new app, does the OS then unload the oldest unused app to make room
for the new one.

I have an LG V20, and it only has the same 4 GB RAM that you have. No
problems with sluggish or hung phone, but then I likely don't play the
same videos as yourself. I deliberately wanted a phone with a
replaceable battery. Not only can I use a power pack to recharge or
power the phone for extended periods, I can easily carry a spare battery
to swap when the current one gets too low.

Oh, did you enable battery power saver mode on your phone? Tried
disabling it (after giving the battery a full charge)?

Tried any app killer apps? Those will remove backgrounded apps. If you
don't intend to reuse an app for a long time, you can prematurely
unloaded it instead of waiting for the OS to getting around to unload
it. However, most killer apps will kill sticky apps which simply
reappear after unloaded (they define themselves as sticky, and when
Android sees they are missing will reload them). At one time, I used
the Droid Optimizer killer app (no longer available at the Google Play
Store), but eventually removed it since I didn't need it. There are
lots of these killer apps, but they are pretty much fluff, mislead by
showing how much free (unused) memory would be available after killing
(unloading) unused apps, and users often don't know how to properly use
them. For stubborn apps that hang or won't unload but affect
responsiveness of the phone, I can go into Android settings, pick the
problematic app, and do a force stop on it. There are lots of times I
am not using my phone, so I lose nothing regarding accessibility by
restarting it. For any computer, any memory unused is wasted memory.
The sluggishness you see is not due to the time to unload an app,
deallocate its memory, and allocate it to a newly loaded app. You've
already loaded whatever app (so far unidentified), so it's not having to
reload while you are using it.

My phone specs:
https://www.gsmarena.com/lg_v20-8238.php
Maybe your phone specs:
https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g_stylus_(2021)-10583.php

I have a quad-core CPU, and you have an octa-core CPU. You made no
mention of what CPU, or minimum level of CPU, you want in a new phone.
That effects the processing horsepower of the phone. You can find
online comparisons on CPUs, like:

https://nanoreview.net/en/soc-compare/qualcomm-snapdragon-820-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-678

Yours is a newer phone introduced in 2016, but discontinued in 2019, so
no Android updates beyond the Android 8.0.0 that I have on my phone. LG
also got out of the phone market, so definitely no updates from them.
You CPU performance benchmark is better than mine, but my gaming
performance is better (but I don't play any games on my phone). Your
battery life is longer, but then LG is (er, was) notorious for poor
design regarding battery life (which is up-time, not the rate of
capacity decline over time).

https://versus.com/en/qualcomm-snapdragon-678-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-820-msm8996

While my 820 might not be as fast as your 678, there are other factors
to consider. Your CPU may process faster than mine, but mine has a
higher bandwidth for memory transfers. When playing videos, a buffer is
needed to play the downloaded content while the rest of the video is
loading to show next some more content. Make sure you aren't running
apps in the background that are consuming CPU cycles since those will
impact CPU thrashing between processes for context changes. Don't just
look at more RAM in a new phone (and more internal storage) but also at
which CPU you want that will give more processing power to the phone
along with how fast the CPU can get at data from memory (aka memory
bandwidth). A super fast CPU will lag if it takes longer to access RAM.
When looking at a new phone, look at the online benchmarks for CPU and
memory bandwidth for the new phones to compare against your old phone.
This is a very similar neglect by consumers getting USB flash drives,
and basing their decisions solely on price without checking the read,
and especially the write, speeds for those storage devices (if a maker
doesn't cite read/write specs, you don't want their products). It's a
big let down to the consumer to buy a super-big USB flash drive only to
find out it is super-slow.

Yes, you can get a new phone, but I suspect the problem is with how the
user configured their phone along with the apps they installed. The
same phone but cleaner setup probably won't incur the sluggish problem.
You'll spend money on a new phone, and still end up with performance
problems, because the common denominator for both is the user.

How do you know problems with networking aren't causing the jittery
playback of videos? Are these videos that you downloaded, so you are
playing local video files instead of trying to stream them over a
network? If playing local video files, have you tried a different app
for playback?

If using the Youtube app, did you configure it to show a mini-player
(and that is what you're watching) when you tap the Home button? This
lets you continue watching a video in a small window while you can use
other apps; however, you're obviously loading more apps which means a
drain on the CPU, and more consumed memory bandwidth. Disable the
picture-in-picture, or stop using the mini-player, so you are focused on
just the YT app to watch a video, and see if the jittery playback or
sluggish phone responsive still exists. Even if configured to use wifi
for uploads to YT, your phone can support a maximum bandwidth (upstream
and downstream), so other apps that are also networking will conflict
with streamed video playback in the YT app. You didn't mention what
type of connection you have while watching videos, like if your phone is
connected to 4G or 5G cellular data service, or to a wifi hotspot (and
if that is a 2.4 or 5.0 GHz wifi hotspot since 5.0 GHz has higher
bandwidth, especially if you have other devices consuming the 2.4 GHz
bandwidth).

There might be other settings in the YT app, like if data saving mode is
enabled. The higher quality (resolution) for the video the more
bandwidth is needed to transfer the video stream, or the bigger video
file to download. Instead of letting the app automatically select the
highest available resolution for a video, enable the "Select quality for
every video" option, so you decide just how detailed you need a video to
be for your viewing. You might want to try enabling the auto video
quality setting to see if the app determines a better resolution for
playback than do you. Disable the higher picture quality option if you
are going to have the app ask for which resolution you want a video. If
auto-quality doesn't help, select the data saver option to watch videos
at lower quality (less bandwidth, less choking on filling the playback
buffer). These settings are available for both when using a cellular
(mobile) connection and when using a wifi connection. That way, you can
watch at lower quality on mobile, but have high quality on wifi. Go
into the video player app's settings to experiment what might give you
okay video viewing while minimizing impact on your phone depending on
which type of network connection it has.

_Keep the old phone. Replace its battery._

If you like the old phone, and because you'd probably scrap it if you
got a new phone, you lose nothing by opening up the phone case to
replace the battery. There are Youtube videos showing how to replace a
normally user non-replaceable battery, like:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=battery+replace+motorola+g+stylus

Change "G Stylus" to whatever model you have. Most such videos don't
mention where to get a replacement battery. Some specs you can get
online, like:

https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g_stylus_(2022)-11282.php

which says there is a 5K mAH battery inside the G Stylus. You might be
tempted to put in a higher capacity battery, but then the charging
circuits weren't designed for such, and while the phone may stay up
longer it will also take longer to charge. To find a replacement
battery, you can find it online, like:

On 6/26/23 12:28 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
<vast amount of useful stuff...>

> Batteries always wan on capacity over time, so they eventually lose how
> long you have for up time. They are chemical. When buying a phone with
> a non-serviceable or non-replaceable battery, consider how long you want
> to own the phone, and if you're willing to replace the non-replaceable
> battery yourself. Costs too much to have a shop do it.

Battery for the Pixel 2 costs ~$20 from various ebay sellers. The video
convinced me that I might be able to do it, but would probably botch the
job. Local guy charged me $60 (including the battery) to do it. I
watched him and KNEW I would have botched it. Fair price to avoid
having to buy a new phone, especially since I really like this one. We
have a lot of competition in the cellphone repair field here, so maybe
that makes a difference. Call around and find the one who's been in
business the longest.

I did envy the nice blue silicone mat with little compartments he used
and wished I had a horizontal surface on which to put such a thing --
essential if you want to repair a small item with small easily-losable
parts.

> Since the old
> phone would otherwise become disposable unless you repurpose it for some
> other use, like a web cam for your car or house where it remains
> constantly plugged into a power source, you lose nothing by attempting a
> battery replace yourself.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special
Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded."

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6/26/23 12:28 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> <vast amount of useful stuff...>
>
>> Batteries always wan on capacity over time, so they eventually lose how
>> long you have for up time. They are chemical. When buying a phone with
>> a non-serviceable or non-replaceable battery, consider how long you want
>> to own the phone, and if you're willing to replace the non-replaceable
>> battery yourself. Costs too much to have a shop do it.
>
> Battery for the Pixel 2 costs ~$20 from various ebay sellers. The video
> convinced me that I might be able to do it, but would probably botch the
> job. Local guy charged me $60 (including the battery) to do it. I
> watched him and KNEW I would have botched it. Fair price to avoid
> having to buy a new phone, especially since I really like this one. We
> have a lot of competition in the cellphone repair field here, so maybe
> that makes a difference. Call around and find the one who's been in
> business the longest.
>
> I did envy the nice blue silicone mat with little compartments he used
> and wished I had a horizontal surface on which to put such a thing --
> essential if you want to repair a small item with small easily-losable
> parts.

I use magnetic metal tray to store the tiny parts, and multiple trays
for sizing. I also have a magnetic mat, so I can layout the screws in
the same order as they were removed (the screws form an outline of the
screw holes). Too many times there are 1, or 2, screws that are longer
than the rest, and installing them in the shorter recess can cause
damage to what's underneath or split the plastic stud into which the
screws screw into.

Not really much to damage other than the case seal and the double-stick
tape holding the battery in its compartment. If you're contemplating
getting a new phone just to get longer up-time from the battery, do you
really care if you damage the seal or tape to replace the battery? What
are you going to do with that old phone that requires water resistance,
or complete silence instead of the battery possibly rattling around
inside. Ddouble-stick cellophane tape (NOT foam tape) is readily
available at stationery stores. Just layer it up to make sure it
conforms to the case and battery, and fills the gap between. You were
considering tossing the old phone, so does it matter that it is no
longer water resistant?

The worst part of taking apart the phone is the butyl seal around the
case. That's used for water resistance. If careful when prying apart,
and not prying to far at any point, but slowly wedging the halves apart,
the seal is reusable. If stretched, it won't fit back where it was.
You can stretch butyl, but not compress it back into shape. However, if
the case seal gets damaged, all you lose is water resistance. Just stop
dropping your phone into the toilet when done and getting up to have it
fall out of a pocket.

When on vacation, really go on vacation, and stop taking the phone to
the beach or pool to interrupt your rest and play.
OMG, leave your phone behind. Some folks just can't do that. They
suffer phone withdrawl. Just terribly disappointing how phone users get
addicted to their phones. Poor kids go frantic when going on a camping
trip, and then collecting their phones before the hike.

On 6/26/2023 8:46 AM, Tobiah wrote:
> I have a Motorola Stylus (2020).  It's a good phone, but
> the battery doesn't hold a charge well anymore, and I think
> I need more system RAM.  If I play youtube music in the car
> while navigating, the UI becomes very slow, almost locks up.
> I think I need some more horesepower and RAM.
>
> The Stylus was a great deal at $200, but I'm looking around
> for something newer.  The important points are:
>
> * Huge display, the bigger the better.  At least 1080p, more
> is great.  I really want a phablet.
>
> * Large battery would be nice.
>
> * I like an aspect ration that is not too tall/skinny.  The
> aspect of a modern movie would be good.
>
> Should be under $400.  Maybe a tad more for an awesome pone.
>
> Near-field communication would be cool, as would wireless
> charging.

Motorola Edge 2022 is around $350 unlocked
<https://www.motorola.com/us/smartphones-motorola-edge-gen-3/p?skuId=819>.
Medical professionals and veterans can get 10% off.

Processor benchmark of your Motorola Stylus 2020:
<https://nanoreview.net/en/soc/qualcomm-snapdragon-665>

Processor benchmark of Motorola Edge 2022:
<https://nanoreview.net/en/soc/mediatek-dimensity-1050>

The Motorola Edge 2022 is much faster. 144 Hz 6.6" display. Still a
mid-range phone though. No Micro-SD card slot and no headphone jack,
unfortunately. 1080 x 2400

The Samsung A53 5G is another option though it lacks wireless charging.
About $290 with $15% off, unlocked after 60 days of service (1 year of
service is included
<https://www.hsn.com/products/samsung-galaxy-a53-5g-tracfone-unlimited-talk-and-text-/20821040>.
Slightly lower processor performance than the Motorola Edge 2022
<https://nanoreview.net/en/soc/samsung-exynos-1280>.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 6/26/2023 10:58 AM, RonTheGuy wrote:
> On Jun 26, 2023, Carlos E.R. wrote
> (in article<news:suuomjxtdb.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>):
>
>> But they are not "phablets".
>>
>> Screen is 6.5 inches (161,83 � 73,96 � 8,59 mm). 2400x1080 pixels, 20:9.
>
> I've had as many phones as anyone, just like I've had as many computers as
> anyone, or as many watches (real watches, not computerized ones) as anyone.
>
> At some point in all emerging technologies, the technology matures to the
> point that it gets so cheap and so good that the details stop mattering.
>
> I think Android is at that level where even a two hundred dollar Android
> comes with essentially the same capabilities as a four or eight hundred
> dollar Android.
>
> What's going to be different is mostly the camera, and the wireless
> charging, as batteries are almost always larger than they need to be for
> Android phones.

Other differences are:
Screen-refresh rate
Screen Resolution
OLED versus LCD
IP rating
Wireless charging capability
NFC
Processor performance
eSIM availability
5G mmWave

$300-350 is the sweet spot for a upper mid-range Android phone.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On Jun 27, 2023, sms wrote
(in article<news:u7da63$14fj3$2@dont-email.me>):

> Other differences are:
> Screen-refresh rate
> Screen Resolution
> OLED versus LCD
> IP rating
> Wireless charging capability
> NFC
> Processor performance
> eSIM availability
> 5G mmWave
>
> $300-350 is the sweet spot for a upper mid-range Android phone.

I can learn from you as I was sketching out a minimum specification.

You bring up some specifications to consider that I didn't mention.
I wonder how important they are to the OP (who doesn't seem to be a gamer).

Does that screen stuff really matter (to a non gamer) once he is at a
minimum baseline of what any typical $200 phone would easily have?
DISPLAY Type TFT LCD, 90Hz
Size 6.5 inches, 102.0 cm2 (~81.6 percent screen-to-body ratio)
Resolution 720 x 1600 pixels, 20:9 ratio (~270 ppi density)
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass 5

For how many people does the IP rating really matter in a budget phone if
they don't live out on the ocean or if they're not a Sahara Desert tour
guide?

Wireless charging is a nicety that the OP did ask for so that's important.
The OP asked for NFC but what real use is NFC for what the OP asks for?

I had stated the processor should be at least 1.5GHz but nowadays a $200
phone can easily have four cores at 2GHz (with 4GB of RAM easily found).

The OP didn't ask for an eSIM but of what good is an eSIM for the hundreds
of millions of people who are doing just fine nowadays with a nanosim?

And I had assumed the phone would be 5G capable for whatever network that
the OP is on (all other networks not really mattering, at least in the USA
because people don't switch carriers all that often nowadays, do they?).

I don't ask to argue. I ask to learn which of those specifications the OP
won't normally get in a typical inexpensive mature Android phone of today.

Ron, the humblest guy in town.

On 6/26/23 4:48 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 6/26/23 12:28 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>> <vast amount of useful stuff...>
>>
>>> Batteries always wan on capacity over time, so they eventually lose how
>>> long you have for up time. They are chemical. When buying a phone with
>>> a non-serviceable or non-replaceable battery, consider how long you want
>>> to own the phone, and if you're willing to replace the non-replaceable
>>> battery yourself. Costs too much to have a shop do it.
>>
>> Battery for the Pixel 2 costs ~$20 from various ebay sellers. The video
>> convinced me that I might be able to do it, but would probably botch the
>> job. Local guy charged me $60 (including the battery) to do it. I
>> watched him and KNEW I would have botched it. Fair price to avoid
>> having to buy a new phone, especially since I really like this one. We
>> have a lot of competition in the cellphone repair field here, so maybe
>> that makes a difference. Call around and find the one who's been in
>> business the longest.
>>
>> I did envy the nice blue silicone mat with little compartments he used
>> and wished I had a horizontal surface on which to put such a thing --
>> essential if you want to repair a small item with small easily-losable
>> parts.
>
> I use magnetic metal tray to store the tiny parts, and multiple trays
> for sizing. I also have a magnetic mat, so I can layout the screws in
> the same order as they were removed (the screws form an outline of the
> screw holes). Too many times there are 1, or 2, screws that are longer
> than the rest, and installing them in the shorter recess can cause
> damage to what's underneath or split the plastic stud into which the
> screws screw into.
>
> Not really much to damage other than the case seal and the double-stick
> tape holding the battery in its compartment. If you're contemplating
> getting a new phone just to get longer up-time from the battery, do you
> really care if you damage the seal or tape to replace the battery? What
> are you going to do with that old phone that requires water resistance,
> or complete silence instead of the battery possibly rattling around
> inside. Ddouble-stick cellophane tape (NOT foam tape) is readily
> available at stationery stores. Just layer it up to make sure it
> conforms to the case and battery, and fills the gap between.

The Alien Tape ("As Seen On TV") is amazingly good. You get a huge
quantity of it, so you might want to share with a friend. It's maybe a
little thinner than that foam tape. I've stuck stuff to walls with it,
and stuffed some between the steering wheel and the cover I bought
because the Corolla wheel is stupidly slippery and a bit undersized.
Have I mentioned that I think the idiot who designed the Corolla
interior was an idiot?

You were
> considering tossing the old phone, so does it matter that it is no
> longer water resistant?

Not me, I just needed a new battery because the old one was behaving
badly. 6 years old, 3 in actual use, I can't complain.

> The worst part of taking apart the phone is the butyl seal around the
> case. That's used for water resistance. If careful when prying apart,
> and not prying to far at any point, but slowly wedging the halves apart,
> the seal is reusable. If stretched, it won't fit back where it was.
> You can stretch butyl, but not compress it back into shape. However, if
> the case seal gets damaged, all you lose is water resistance. Just stop
> dropping your phone into the toilet when done and getting up to have it
> fall out of a pocket.

The guy used a heat gun and was as careful as he could be in separating
the case. He also put the whole phone in some sort of warmer he had in
his back room. You could see some of the glue/whatever after he'd put
it back together (also with heat), but that doesn't bother me. The only
thing I've ever dropped in a toilet (besides the stuff that you're
supposed to drop in there) is a hairbrush. No problem.

> When on vacation, really go on vacation, and stop taking the phone to
> the beach or pool to interrupt your rest and play.
> OMG, leave your phone behind. Some folks just can't do that. They
> suffer phone withdrawl. Just terribly disappointing how phone users get
> addicted to their phones. Poor kids go frantic when going on a camping
> trip, and then collecting their phones before the hike.

I'm addicted to the camera part. The off-line google maps leave a lot
to be desired. I wish OSMand weren't so battery hungry, I like it
better than google maps. OTOH, you don't want to know how much time I
spend on a REAL computer...

--
Cheers, Bev
"I would be most content if my children grew up to be the
kind of people who think decorating consists mostly of
building enough bookshelves." -- Anna Quindlen

On Jun 26, 2023, sms wrote
(in article<news:u7d9f6$14fj3$1@dont-email.me>):

> Motorola Edge 2022 is around $350 unlocked
> <https://www.motorola.com/us/smartphones-motorola-edge-gen-3/p?skuId=819>.
> Medical professionals and veterans can get 10% off.

The $350 price range should get a great phone with everything that the OP
is asking for I would think (if he chooses the phone well that is).

> Processor benchmark of your Motorola Stylus 2020:
> <https://nanoreview.net/en/soc/qualcomm-snapdragon-665>
>
> Processor benchmark of Motorola Edge 2022:
> <https://nanoreview.net/en/soc/mediatek-dimensity-1050>

I don't play games but I do what most people do and my phone scores
AnTuTu: 226561 (v8)
GeekBench: 1673 (v5.1)

I don't know any other phone but mine.
So all I can tell the OP is those scores are just fine for what I do.

> The Motorola Edge 2022 is much faster. 144 Hz 6.6" display. Still a
> mid-range phone though. No Micro-SD card slot and no headphone jack,
> unfortunately. 1080 x 2400

Those AnTuTu (v9) scores are double my phone's AnTuTu (v8) scores.
But I have both the portable sd card slot and the headphone jack.

I'd trade that double'd power for those two features any day of the week.
> The Samsung A53 5G is another option though it lacks wireless charging.

I'm not sure why slow wireless charging matters to the OP, but not because
it's not a nice thing to have - but it is a problem if it's a must have
(because it may otherwise preclude getting a good phone at a good price).

> About $290 with $15% off, unlocked after 60 days of service (1 year of
> service is included
> <https://www.hsn.com/products/samsung-galaxy-a53-5g-tracfone-unlimited-talk-and-text-/20821040>.
> Slightly lower processor performance than the Motorola Edge 2022
> <https://nanoreview.net/en/soc/samsung-exynos-1280>.

Lots of Android's out there with what the OP wants at a price that's good
since electronics has always gotten better over time & cheaper too.

I wouldn't skimp on 5G though. Nor the at least 4GB RAM & at least 64GB of
storage, and I'd get the sreen size that the OP is asking for.

I haven't noticed any problems with my display but I don't play games.
DISPLAY Type TFT LCD, 90Hz
Size 6.5 inches, 102.0 cm2 (~81.6 percent screen-to-body ratio)
Resolution 720 x 1600 pixels, 20:9 ratio (~270 ppi density)
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass 5

Ron, the humblest guy in town.

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Not really much to damage other than the case seal and the
>> double-stick tape holding the battery in its compartment. If you're
>> contemplating getting a new phone just to get longer up-time from
>> the battery, do you really care if you damage the seal or tape to
>> replace the battery? What are you going to do with that old phone
>> that requires water resistance, or complete silence instead of the
>> battery possibly rattling around inside. Ddouble-stick cellophane
>> tape (NOT foam tape) is readily available at stationery stores.
>> Just layer it up to make sure it conforms to the case and battery,
>> and fills the gap between.
>
> The Alien Tape ("As Seen On TV") is amazingly good. You get a huge
> quantity of it, so you might want to share with a friend. It's maybe a
> little thinner than that foam tape. I've stuck stuff to walls with it,
> and stuffed some between the steering wheel and the cover I bought
> because the Corolla wheel is stupidly slippery and a bit undersized.
> Have I mentioned that I think the idiot who designed the Corolla
> interior was an idiot?

Alien tape is too thick. It's pretty tight inside the phone case. You
used to be able to get thin butyl tape at the hardware store, but it's
harder to find nowadays. The stuff for window flashing (when sealing
newly installed windows) is too thick, and not sticky on both sides.
There is double-stick butyl tape (aka mastic) for sealing steel panels
and flashing, and 3/32" might be thin enough, but still thicker than the
typical tape used to hold batteries inside the phone. The double-stick
tape that retains the battery inside the phone is pretty thin, like
about the thickness of the Command strips used for hooks mounted on
walls. Foam tape would be way too thick. That's why I suggested as a
substitute to get double-stick cellophane tape from the stationery
store: if 1 ply isn't enough, you can add more plies to get the
appropriate thickness of tape to hold the battery without contorting the
cover when snapped back together.

>> You were considering tossing the old phone, so does it matter that it
>> is no longer water resistant?
>
> Not me, I just needed a new battery because the old one was behaving
> badly. 6 years old, 3 in actual use, I can't complain.

But you expressed concern that you would damage the phone. You might
damage the case seal when prying the halves apart, but a new battery is
more critical than water resistance.

>> The worst part of taking apart the phone is the butyl seal around the
>> case. That's used for water resistance. If careful when prying apart,
>> and not prying to far at any point, but slowly wedging the halves apart,
>> the seal is reusable. If stretched, it won't fit back where it was.
>> You can stretch butyl, but not compress it back into shape. However, if
>> the case seal gets damaged, all you lose is water resistance. Just stop
>> dropping your phone into the toilet when done and getting up to have it
>> fall out of a pocket.
>
> The guy used a heat gun and was as careful as he could be in separating
> the case. He also put the whole phone in some sort of warmer he had in
> his back room. You could see some of the glue/whatever after he'd put
> it back together (also with heat), but that doesn't bother me.

Yep, a heat gun makes the butyl tape more pliable and allows more
stretch without distorting the tape making permanently over stretched.
The YT videos that I've seen all incorporate a heat gun not only to make
the case seal more pliable, but also make the battery tape more pliable
to facilitate removing the battery.

As with someone suggesting you can solder in a new port, resistor,
diode, or whatnot, you need the appropriate tools for the job. You
don't use a soldering gun when a low-watt fine tip soldering iron is
needed for small and delicate soldering. The soldering kit should have
lots of tools, like wick, solder sucker, heat clamps, etc. Watch the
videos to see what tools they use. A pryer, spludger, guitar pick, and
heat gun should be in your tool kit for working on phones.

> The only thing I've ever dropped in a toilet (besides the stuff that
> you're supposed to drop in there) is a hairbrush. No problem.

Guys don't carry purses. Their phones are in their pockets. Pockets
can easily get overturned when dropping your pants to sit on a toilet,
or flipped when pulling up your pants. But taking your phone into the
swimming pool or hot tub are not recommended. That the phone says it is
water resistant isn't really a good excuse to take it into the surf.

>> When on vacation, really go on vacation, and stop taking the phone to
>> the beach or pool to interrupt your rest and play.
>> OMG, leave your phone behind. Some folks just can't do that. They
>> suffer phone withdrawl. Just terribly disappointing how phone users get
>> addicted to their phones. Poor kids go frantic when going on a camping
>> trip, and then collecting their phones before the hike.
>
> I'm addicted to the camera part. The off-line google maps leave a lot
> to be desired. I wish OSMand weren't so battery hungry, I like it
> better than google maps. OTOH, you don't want to know how much time I
> spend on a REAL computer...

You vacation at home? Both home and work are what I get away from when
on vacation. I carry a phone in the backpack inside a plastic bag and
turned off, not to use it to get or receive non-emergency calls. Ah,
the silence of the deep woods. RING!!! Well, that got spoiled.

On 27/06/2023 06:32, VanguardLH wrote:
> but a new battery is
> more critical than water resistance.

While I have nothing against water resistance, unless you're a swimmer, how
often does your phone get dunked under water anyway?

Mine never.

I'd rather have a big fat new battery than a water tight phone casing.

Daniel Washington <DanielWashington@discussion.org> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> but a new battery is more critical than water resistance.
>
> While I have nothing against water resistance, unless you're a
> swimmer, how often does your phone get dunked under water anyway?
>
> Mine never.
>
> I'd rather have a big fat new battery than a water tight phone casing.

I made the mistake of going into a hot tub. It wasn't a planned event,
I was toting a flip phone with me, forgot it was in my swim pants
pocket, and, yep, it got wet inside. Burying the phone in rice didn't
work. Neither did the silica pellets from several drying packets. Had
to pry apart the case (lost a retainer tang in the opening process), and
let it air dry for a couple days. However, the display got damaged with
a herringbone/moire pattern that persisted prodding me to get a new
phone.

Your phone could be in your pocket. That isn't a waterproof container.
Never been in a canoe or seen someone in one that got tipped over? Went
on a camping trip, and a gal tipped the canoe as she got out on shore.
I was in the back end. Didn't have a phone with me, but had to search
for my eyeglasses. Another boob on a hunting trip fired sideways from a
canoe at a moose while we were paddling along a stream to get to another
lake. By the time I noticed and yelled "NO!", he already shot. Canoe
tipped, we all went in, and so did all the backpacks.

Never got caught in a downpour? Go to one of the theme parks around
Orlando, Florida. Sunny in the morning, and then a sudden torrential
rain. If you notice, you try to run under something or into a
restaurant or ride front end, or start stuffing your phone and camera
into a ziplock bag. If you don't notice the dark clouds coming your
way, a belt holster or carry bag won't keep out the hard rain. I've
been helping a buddy put on a new roof, and caught in the rain. It was
more important to get the roof done then worry about a phone in a
pocket.

And then there's when you do some high exertion activity that has you
sweating a lot, especially on a hot day. You might remember to hydrate,
but could forget about the phone in your pocket.

I've had phones before some started adding water resistance. I still
have some phones without any water resistance rating (the case halves
are simply snapped together). If you have something with a feature, you
become accustomed to that feature. You might forget that once water
resistant phone is no more that way.

If the butyl seal gets stretched, you could reassemble using it, but
might have to cut it to remove a little bit. The ends of the seal at
the cut can let water in, but it'll be better than reassembling without
any seal.

On 6/26/23 9:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>Ddouble-stick cellophane
>>> tape (NOT foam tape) is readily available at stationery stores.
>>> Just layer it up to make sure it conforms to the case and battery,
>>> and fills the gap between.

No tape was needed on the Pixel2. I mention the Alien tape for other
uses -- you expect the AsSeenOnTV stuff to be crap, but this isn't.

> ... That's why I suggested as a
> substitute to get double-stick cellophane tape from the stationery
> store: if 1 ply isn't enough, you can add more plies to get the
> appropriate thickness of tape to hold the battery without contorting the
> cover when snapped back together.
>
>>> You were considering tossing the old phone, so does it matter that it
>>> is no longer water resistant?
>>
>> Not me, I just needed a new battery because the old one was behaving
>> badly. 6 years old, 3 in actual use, I can't complain.
>
> But you expressed concern that you would damage the phone.

Through general ineptitude. Loss of tiny screws, etc. Breaking
mysterious tiny plastic parts...

Aside: The Ryobi corded electric weed whacker switch stopped working.
It turns out that the switch you touch pushes a microswitch (yeah, those
tiny ones with the roller-thing) which is held in place with some cheesy
plastic ears and which switches a bigger switch. It's loose within it's
little nest and eventually moves so that it doesn't switch any more.
Then you have to take the handle apart (maybe a dozen screws) stuff the
microswitch back into its nest and put it back together. It will work
for maybe another half hour. I bought a canopy switch to replace the
whole switch assembly but never got around to actually doing it. Stuff
is just made cheesily and some of it is really not repairable. Bits and
pieces that should be made of aluminum are made of plastic. Feh.

> You might
> damage the case seal when prying the halves apart, but a new battery is
> more critical than water resistance.

I wouldn't have known about new sealing stuff for the case and would
certainly have torn the stuff that was already in there. BTW, the phone
was sold as 'refurbished' at a significant discount, but had never been
disassembled. It was just old. Good to know.

> Yep, a heat gun makes the butyl tape more pliable and allows more
> stretch without distorting the tape making permanently over stretched.
> The YT videos that I've seen all incorporate a heat gun not only to make
> the case seal more pliable, but also make the battery tape more pliable
> to facilitate removing the battery.
>
> As with someone suggesting you can solder in a new port, resistor,
> diode, or whatnot, you need the appropriate tools for the job. You
> don't use a soldering gun when a low-watt fine tip soldering iron is
> needed for small and delicate soldering. The soldering kit should have
> lots of tools, like wick, solder sucker, heat clamps, etc. Watch the
> videos to see what tools they use. A pryer, spludger, guitar pick, and
> heat gun should be in your tool kit for working on phones.

We've got one of those pretty blue soldering irons around somewhere,
along with a lifetime supply of super-thin eutectic solder. Somewhere.
I KNOW that Harry Potter uses a spludger...

>> The only thing I've ever dropped in a toilet (besides the stuff that
>> you're supposed to drop in there) is a hairbrush. No problem.
>
> Guys don't carry purses. Their phones are in their pockets.

They need to learn about purses, then. We can't carry our phones in our
pockets because they're neither wide nor long enough and you can't sit
if you put something besides paper in one.

> Pockets
> can easily get overturned when dropping your pants to sit on a toilet,
> or flipped when pulling up your pants.

For a while I thought that man-purses would catch on, but apparently not.

> But taking your phone into the
> swimming pool or hot tub are not recommended. That the phone says it is
> water resistant isn't really a good excuse to take it into the surf.

No problem. I haven't been in either a pool or the ocean since I've had
a phone. I remember body-surfing when I was young...

>> I'm addicted to the camera part. The off-line google maps leave a lot
>> to be desired. I wish OSMand weren't so battery hungry, I like it
>> better than google maps. OTOH, you don't want to know how much time I
>> spend on a REAL computer...
>
> You vacation at home?

Last driving trips I went on I took a tablet and a phone, but only used
them in the motel at night. Long ago -- before computers, even -- we
did cross-country driving trips at least once a year. Map books worked
just fine.

> Both home and work are what I get away from when
> on vacation. I carry a phone in the backpack inside a plastic bag and
> turned off, not to use it to get or receive non-emergency calls. Ah,
> the silence of the deep woods. RING!!! Well, that got spoiled.

Only 'vacations' I do now are day-trips to ski. Over the years we
pretty much covered the US, such that if anybody talks about beautiful
places I can generally say Oh yeah, I've been there. Most cities too,
probably, but they're all alike and are where you go when you need to
buy something. Except DC. DC stands out because we spent a lot of time
there. A LOT of time.

--
Cheers, Bev
"By the time they had diminished from 50 to 8, the other
dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'" -Gary Larson

On 26/06/2023 16:46, Tobiah wrote:
> I have a Motorola Stylus (2020). It's a good phone, but
> the battery doesn't hold a charge well anymore, and I think
> I need more system RAM. If I play youtube music in the car
> while navigating, the UI becomes very slow, almost locks up.
> I think I need some more horesepower and RAM.
>
> The Stylus was a great deal at $200, but I'm looking around
> for something newer. The important points are:
>
> * Huge display, the bigger the better. At least 1080p, more
> is great. I really want a phablet.
>
> * Large battery would be nice.
>
> * I like an aspect ration that is not too tall/skinny. The
> aspect of a modern movie would be good.
>
> Should be under $400. Maybe a tad more for an awesome pone.
>
> Near-field communication would be cool, as would wireless
> charging.
>
>
> Thanks!
>

Google 6A discounted.

David
--
Cheers,
David
Web: https://www.satsignal.eu

On 6/26/2023 10:45 PM, David Taylor wrote:

<snip>

> Google 6A discounted.

You can get one in the U.S. for around $200. But the screen size is a
lot smaller than the original poster is looking for.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 27/06/2023 07:17, sms wrote:
> On 6/26/2023 10:45 PM, David Taylor wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Google 6A discounted.
> You can get one in the U.S. for around $200. But the screen size is a
> lot smaller than the original poster is looking for.

Thanks. Good price, and the OP wanted 1080 pixels or more. The 6A has 1080 x
2400 pixels. Perhaps the OP might like to visit a shop to see whether it's the
resolution of the physical size which is needed?

I find the 6.7-inch display of the 6 Pro (6A is 6.1-inch) just a little large
for the pocket.
--
Cheers,
David
Web: https://www.satsignal.eu

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

> Aside: The Ryobi corded electric weed whacker switch stopped working.
> It turns out that the switch you touch pushes a microswitch (yeah,
> those tiny ones with the roller-thing) which is held in place with
> some cheesy plastic ears and which switches a bigger switch. It's
> loose within it's little nest and eventually moves so that it doesn't
> switch any more. Then you have to take the handle apart (maybe a
> dozen screws) stuff the microswitch back into its nest and put it
> back together. It will work for maybe another half hour. I bought a
> canopy switch to replace the whole switch assembly but never got
> around to actually doing it. Stuff is just made cheesily and some of
> it is really not repairable. Bits and pieces that should be made of
> aluminum are made of plastic. Feh.

Sounds like a good use of a hot-glue gun.

I have a Ryobi battery-powered lawn mower that after 2 seasons would
stop after rolling it only about 10 feet. Took it to get repaired under
warranty, but they charge a $70 fee up front (which gets refunded if a
repair is performed). They couldn't find the problem. Told them to
bounce it around, and try cutting some tall grass to load it down in
case it was a thermistor or other load-control mechanism stopping the
lawn mower. They tried that (they had a grassy boulevard alongside the
store). The couldn't reproduce the problem. Ended up paying the $70 to
get nothing repaired. Took so long to get it back that it snowed, so
testing the lawn mower after return was impossible. Tried it this
Spring, and it wouldn't even start.

Figured a switch might be bad, and I'd have to take it apart to replace
or bypass some switch(es). As I removed the battery, I noticed a red
plug. Hmm, what's that for? Pulled it, and pushed it all the way back
in. Mower started and ran fine thereafter for several uses. It was
some emergency cut-out plug, like maybe the switches stuck on, so the
only way to stop the mower was to pull the emergency plug (or yank out
the battery which is harder due to a locking latch). I hot-glued the
plug into the recess. Shouldn't walk itself out anymore.

I wanted to use a cable tie to keep the plug in the slot, but there was
nothing nearby that could tie could affix to keep the plug pulled into
the recess. Didn't want to drill holes in the chassis. Hot glue worked
fine. Didn't want to use epoxy, because I might someday need to pry out
that emergency shut off plug.

> We've got one of those pretty blue soldering irons around somewhere,
> along with a lifetime supply of super-thin eutectic solder.
> Somewhere. I KNOW that Harry Potter uses a spludger...

Nah. He spends his evenings alone while polishing his wand.

> Last driving trips I went on I took a tablet and a phone, but only used
> them in the motel at night.

While I've setup a map on the phone in preparation for where I will be
driving very soon, most times I'm in the car doing the map setup. Both
locations are dry, so damaging the case seal to replace a fading battery
would be inconsequential in those scenarios. In fact, my phone rarely
gets wet, but I have encountered some rather instant downpours. "Oh,
look like ...", but got cut off before I could finish the sentence when
the rain started. Before I could mention it might get harder (darker
clouds), it was already raining harder. And an instant later it was
torrential. Everyone else is scattering for cover, but would be
drenched by the time they found cover. Hey, I'm already wet, so no
point in running for cover to be just as wet under there. Alas, I don't
always carry a baggie into which to toss my phone. Oh well, time to
hunt for a new phone. Shit happens.

> Long ago -- before computers, even -- we did cross-country driving
> trips at least once a year. Map books worked just fine.

When hiking, ALWAYS carry a paper map and compass. Batteries die.
Depending on a phone to tell you where you are in the woods is like
relying on the existence of outhouses that also have toilet paper along
a groomed trail.

You could carry a power pack, or a spare battery (if the phone uses
replaceable batteries), but that adds weight, and how long they are
usable depends on the length of the hike. My short hikes nowadays are a
week: 3 days in, 1 day at the destination to explore, and 3 days back.
The battery in the phone, a spare, and a power pack won't last a 2-week
trek through the Rockies, and then another 2 weeks to get back (my Jeep
was back at the starting point). I rarely follow trails. Those are WAY
too short. No way a phone would last that long even with a spare
battery and power pack -- unless you turn it off to keep in reserve for
an emergency, but then it won't be on for GPS mapping, waypoint
recordings, etc.

I came across one other hiker during that month-long hike, and instead
of feeling "Oh, goodie, another person" I felt like "Jesus Christ, who
the hell is this trespasser in my woods" similar to how you'd feel when
walking into your living room and finding a stranger standing there. No
matter how remote you go, there's still humans around, even in the
middle of the Northwest Territories. They're everywhere. Everywhere.

David Taylor wrote:

> I find the 6.7-inch display of the 6 Pro (6A is 6.1-inch) just a little
> large for the pocket.

I've bought several Nexus/Pixel devices over the years, every time I've
been forced to have a bigger screen than the previous device, never have
I felt the need for the bigger screen, I have big hands and the phones
are now inconvenient to hold ...

On 2023-06-27 03:12, RonTheGuy wrote:
> On Jun 27, 2023, sms wrote
> (in article<news:u7da63$14fj3$2@dont-email.me>):

....

> The OP asked for NFC but what real use is NFC for what the OP asks for?

All phones today should include NFC, unless very cheap. It is used for
payments, and maybe other things like transferring photos to another
device that is very close. It can also be used when configuring IoT devices.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2023-06-27 06:52, Daniel Washington wrote:
> On 27/06/2023 06:32, VanguardLH wrote:
>> but a new battery is
>> more critical than water resistance.
>
> While I have nothing against water resistance, unless you're a swimmer, how
> often does your phone get dunked under water anyway?
>
> Mine never.

Mine once.

I went for a swim once and forgot about the phone. 5 seconds killed it.

>
> I'd rather have a big fat new battery than a water tight phone casing.

There is rain.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2023-06-27 07:37, VanguardLH wrote:
> Daniel Washington <DanielWashington@discussion.org> wrote:
>
>> VanguardLH wrote:

....

> Your phone could be in your pocket. That isn't a waterproof container.
> Never been in a canoe or seen someone in one that got tipped over? Went
> on a camping trip, and a gal tipped the canoe as she got out on shore.
> I was in the back end. Didn't have a phone with me, but had to search
> for my eyeglasses. Another boob on a hunting trip fired sideways from a
> canoe at a moose while we were paddling along a stream to get to another
> lake. By the time I noticed and yelled "NO!", he already shot. Canoe
> tipped, we all went in, and so did all the backpacks.

I just learned something :-D

>
> Never got caught in a downpour? Go to one of the theme parks around
> Orlando, Florida. Sunny in the morning, and then a sudden torrential
> rain.

Some amusement parks have water attractions.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2023-06-27 07:37, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 6/26/23 9:32 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>

....

>>> The only thing I've ever dropped in a toilet (besides the stuff that
>>> you're supposed to drop in there) is a hairbrush.  No problem.
>>
>> Guys don't carry purses.  Their phones are in their pockets.
>
> They need to learn about purses, then.  We can't carry our phones in our
> pockets because they're neither wide nor long enough and you can't sit
> if you put something besides paper in one.
>
>> Pockets
>> can easily get overturned when dropping your pants to sit on a toilet,
>> or flipped when pulling up your pants.
>
> For a while I thought that man-purses would catch on, but apparently not.

I use a shoulder bag.

I once lost my TomTom in a supermarket, because it was to warm to wear a
jacket with big enough pockets, so I put the device in the basket and
forgot to pick it up when emptying the basket for payment. A minute
later I remembered, but it was too late. Gone.

No more.

I bought a shoulder bag.

Is that a man purse? It's amazing the amount of things I can put inside,
so it is impossible I now go back to pockets only.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2023-06-27 09:55, VanguardLH wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

....

>> Long ago -- before computers, even -- we did cross-country driving
>> trips at least once a year. Map books worked just fine.
>
> When hiking, ALWAYS carry a paper map and compass. Batteries die.
> Depending on a phone to tell you where you are in the woods is like
> relying on the existence of outhouses that also have toilet paper along
> a groomed trail.
>
> You could carry a power pack, or a spare battery (if the phone uses
> replaceable batteries), but that adds weight, and how long they are
> usable depends on the length of the hike.

There are small solar panels.

I once bought a small power pack with a solar panel attached: it never
worked, it was unable to charge my phone.

> My short hikes nowadays are a
> week: 3 days in, 1 day at the destination to explore, and 3 days back.
> The battery in the phone, a spare, and a power pack won't last a 2-week
> trek through the Rockies, and then another 2 weeks to get back (my Jeep
> was back at the starting point). I rarely follow trails. Those are WAY
> too short. No way a phone would last that long even with a spare
> battery and power pack -- unless you turn it off to keep in reserve for
> an emergency, but then it won't be on for GPS mapping, waypoint
> recordings, etc.
>
> I came across one other hiker during that month-long hike, and instead
> of feeling "Oh, goodie, another person" I felt like "Jesus Christ, who
> the hell is this trespasser in my woods" similar to how you'd feel when
> walking into your living room and finding a stranger standing there. No
> matter how remote you go, there's still humans around, even in the
> middle of the Northwest Territories. They're everywhere. Everywhere.

Hey, here city folk walking in the mountains salute one another,
friendly like. Same people don't say a word in the city :-D

Does that happen over your way?

--
Cheers, Carlos.