Go to the citation for the before and after crash site photos.

from
https://www.space.com/japan-hakuto-r-moon-lander-crash-site-found

Moon crash site found! NASA orbiter spots grave of private Japanese
lander (photos)
By Andrew Jones published about 19 hours ago
Images from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter appear to show separate
chunks of debris.

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Close-up of part of the moon's gray, cratered surface captured by NASA's
Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter.

The Hakuto-R private Japanese moon lander’s impact site, as seen by
NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter on April 26, 2023, the day after the
attempted touchdown. (Image credit: NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University)
A NASA lunar orbiter has spotted the final resting place of a private
Japanese moon lander that failed in its touchdown attempt last month.

The Hakuto-R lander, also carrying a small rover for the United Arab
Emirates, made its landing attempt on April 25, aiming to set down in
Atlas Crater. However, communications with the lander were lost moments
before the expected landing. The ispace team behind the lander later
confirmed that the lander did not safely touch down on the surface.

Now the site of the apparent crash has been discovered in images taken
by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO).

Related: Private Japanese lander sets distance record on its way to the moon

GIF showing before-and-after views of the same gray patch of the moon's
surface, with slight changes showing where Japan's private Hakuto-R
lander crashed.

Before and after comparison of the impact site of the private Japanese
Hakuto-R moon lander, which attempted to touch down on April 25, 2023.
Arrow A points to a prominent surface change with higher reflectance in
the upper left and lower reflectance in the lower right (opposite of
nearby surface rocks along the right side of the frame). Arrows B-D
point to other changes around the impact site. (Image credit:
NASA/GSFC/Arizona State University)
On April 26, LRO acquired 10 images around the landing site with its
Narrow Angle Cameras (NACs), and the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Camera
(LROC) science team set about searching for the lost lander.

Images published by the LROC team on Tuesday (May 23) show at least four
prominent pieces of debris and several small changes on the lunar
surface at 47.581 degrees north latitude and 44.094 degrees east
longitude, according to a team statement.

"The central feature in the image above shows several bright pixels in
the upper left and several dark pixels in the lower right. This is the
opposite of nearby boulders, suggesting this could be a small crater or
different parts of the lander body," the statement reads.

"This site will be analyzed more over the coming months as LROC has the
opportunity to reimage the site under various lighting and viewing
geometries."

Lunar Earthrise is captured by the ispace Hakuto-R mission during the
solar eclipse of April 20.

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LRO has also imaged the sites of earlier failed landing attempts,
including the 2019 try by the Israeli Beresheet spacecraft.

If successful, Tokyo-based company ispace's Hakuto-R would have become
the first private spacecraft, and the first Japanese-built vehicle, to
land softly on the moon.

Despite the failure, ispace is already working to get back to the moon
and stick the landing. The company is working on its second and third
moon missions, targeting launches in 2024 and 2025, respectively.

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Do you know if the crash site of Luna 15 has been found? It was a Soviet
unmanned lander meant to steal the glory of the US moon landing, but instead
it failed and was kept secret from the public, though not from NASA and
radio telescope operators.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_15

On 5/24/23 09:28, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> Do you know if the crash site of Luna 15 has been found? It was a Soviet
> unmanned lander meant to steal the glory of the US moon landing, but
> instead it failed and was kept secret from the public, though not from
> NASA and radio telescope operators.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_15
>

Interesting.

I also note,
"The simultaneous missions became one of the first instances of
Soviet–American space communication: the Soviet Union released Luna 15's
flight plan to ensure it would not collide with Apollo 11, although its
exact mission was not publicized."

"a425couple" wrote in message news:yUsbM.3209712$iS99.1491496@fx16.iad...

On 5/24/23 09:28, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> Do you know if the crash site of Luna 15 has been found? It was a Soviet
> unmanned lander meant to steal the glory of the US moon landing, but
> instead it failed and was kept secret from the public, though not from
> NASA and radio telescope operators.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_15
>

Interesting.

I also note,
"The simultaneous missions became one of the first instances of
Soviet–American space communication: the Soviet Union released Luna 15's
flight plan to ensure it would not collide with Apollo 11, although its
exact mission was not publicized."

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Yet idiots still deny we went there.

On 5/24/23 14:57, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "a425couple"  wrote in message news:yUsbM.3209712$iS99.1491496@fx16.iad...
>
> On 5/24/23 09:28, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> Do you know if the crash site of Luna 15 has been found? It was a
>> Soviet unmanned lander meant to steal the glory of the US moon
>> landing, but instead it failed and was kept secret from the public,
>> though not from NASA and radio telescope operators.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luna_15
>>
>
> Interesting.
>
> I also note,
> "The simultaneous missions became one of the first instances of
> Soviet–American space communication: the Soviet Union released Luna 15's
> flight plan to ensure it would not collide with Apollo 11, although its
> exact mission was not publicized."
>
> ------------------------
>
> Yet idiots still deny we went there.
>
-------------
Yes,,, but it seems to me they are less, and certainly less
vocal about it.

So we have the telescope pictures of the various Apollo
landing sites, with the lander base, astronaut footprints
and lunar rover tire tracks all around, I think most
people believe.

"a425couple" wrote in message news:VAwbM.3435175$9sn9.41396@fx17.iad...

On 5/24/23 14:57, Jim Wilkins wrote:

>
> Yet idiots still deny we went there [moon].
>
-------------
Yes,,, but it seems to me they are less, and certainly less
vocal about it.

So we have the telescope pictures of the various Apollo
landing sites, with the lander base, astronaut footprints
and lunar rover tire tracks all around, I think most
people believe.

-------------------------

I study accident reports to learn the strict logic of the professional
investigators, and the motivation of the usually illogical deniers. In some
cases there is reasonable cause for doubt, for example a Coke bottle that
Zapruder's secretary saw fall and break on the Grassy Knoll caused a loud
bang and vapor cloud that could be mistaken for gunfire, if you thought
smokeless powder makes smoke, also the recoil of JFK's head away from the
internal pressure that exploded it and the rearward spurt of blood as the
entry wound channel snapped shut (like dropping a pebble into a puddle)
could be mistaken as evidence of a shot from ahead. Connally was on a jump
seat inboard of JFK, not directly ahead of him, so the "magic" bullet's path
was straight. Connally himself misjudged the shot timing, as evidenced by
the disturbance to his coat collar at Zapruder frame 224, and many hunters
have proven that Oswald had enough time for 3 aimed shots even if lawyers
couldn't do it. The black umbrella man was protesting JFK's fathers' support
of Chamberlain.

Few people have the hands-on welding or blacksmithing experience to know how
soft and weak red-hot steel is and might believe it had to melt for the WTC
to collapse. That led to the bogus thermite theories, since a normal fire is
1000 degrees too cool to melt steel. I've straightened a truck coil spring
by hand after heating it to 700 degrees below melting in a forge fire. You
can see for yourself by heating a straightened paper clip red hot over a
candle.

But one don't stand out by agreeing.

On 25/05/2023 9:41 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "a425couple"  wrote in message news:VAwbM.3435175$9sn9.41396@fx17.iad...
>
> On 5/24/23 14:57, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
>>
>> Yet idiots still deny we went there [moon].
>>
> -------------
> Yes,,, but it seems to me they are less, and certainly less
> vocal about it.
>
> So we have the telescope pictures of the various Apollo
> landing sites, with the lander base, astronaut footprints
> and lunar rover tire tracks all around, I think most
> people believe.
>

You need to accept that most people are very simple and stupid.

"Whisper" wrote in message news:646f7877$1@news.ausics.net...

On 25/05/2023 9:41 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "a425couple" wrote in message news:VAwbM.3435175$9sn9.41396@fx17.iad...
>
> On 5/24/23 14:57, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
>>
>> Yet idiots still deny we went there [moon].
>>
> -------------
> Yes,,, but it seems to me they are less, and certainly less
> vocal about it.
>
> So we have the telescope pictures of the various Apollo
> landing sites, with the lander base, astronaut footprints
> and lunar rover tire tracks all around, I think most
> people believe.
>

You need to accept that most people are very simple and stupid.

--------------------------

I would be more charitable and say they aren't trained in critical thinking,
such as distinguishing cause from effect (chicken/egg). By third grade I
noticed the teachers closely followed their scripts and couldn't handle
deviations from it, such as my questions. The science teachers taught us to
think for ourselves, most of the liberal arts ones had us memorize accepted
dogma. Fortunately I has excellent, open-minded high school history teachers
including the one Christa McAuliffe replaced. They taught me much of what I
post here.

Elon Musk's Twitter page calls out CNN's horror at uncontrolled free speech
and thought:

CNN: "Twitter, which once offered a platform for democratic movements in the
Arab Spring, has been transformed by its new owner into a febrile circus of
untamed free speech, conspiracy theories and unverifiable information."

Just like real life.

On 5/25/23 09:40, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "Whisper"  wrote in message news:646f7877$1@news.ausics.net...
>
> On 25/05/2023 9:41 pm, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>> "a425couple"  wrote in message news:VAwbM.3435175$9sn9.41396@fx17.iad...
>>
>> On 5/24/23 14:57, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yet idiots still deny we went there [moon].
>>>
>> -------------
>> Yes,,, but it seems to me they are less, and certainly less
>> vocal about it.
>>
>> So we have the telescope pictures of the various Apollo
>> landing sites, with the lander base, astronaut footprints
>> and lunar rover tire tracks all around, I think most
>> people believe.
>>
>
> You need to accept that most people are very simple and stupid.
>
> --------------------------
>
> I would be more charitable and say they aren't trained in critical
> thinking, such as distinguishing cause from effect (chicken/egg). By
> third grade I noticed the teachers closely followed their scripts and
> couldn't handle deviations from it, such as my questions. The science
> teachers taught us to think for ourselves, most of the liberal arts ones
> had us memorize accepted dogma. Fortunately I has excellent, open-minded
> high school history teachers including the one Christa McAuliffe
> replaced. They taught me much of what I post here.
>
> Elon Musk's Twitter page calls out CNN's horror at uncontrolled free
> speech and thought:
>
> CNN: "Twitter, which once offered a platform for democratic movements in
> the Arab Spring, has been transformed by its new owner into a febrile
> circus of untamed free speech, conspiracy theories and unverifiable
> information."
>
> Just like real life.
>

Have you read "Loserthink, How untrained brains are ruining America"
by Scott Adams ?

more at
https://www.amazon.com/Loserthink-Untrained-Brains-Ruining-America/dp/0593083520

read it at a library or get it delivered to your door for $6.10.

"a425couple" wrote in message news:hjMbM.2131454$MVg8.2059816@fx12.iad...

Have you read "Loserthink, How untrained brains are ruining America"
by Scott Adams ?

more at
https://www.amazon.com/Loserthink-Untrained-Brains-Ruining-America/dp/0593083520

read it at a library or get it delivered to your door for $6.10.

-------------------------

Thanks.

Have you seen this?
https://babylonbee.com/

It's a modern version of Mad Magazine that roasts absurdities with humor.
The leftist version which I also read is The Onion, but they are more bitter
and hateful than funny.
https://www.theonion.com/

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
> Few people have the hands-on welding or blacksmithing experience to know how
> soft and weak red-hot steel is and might believe it had to melt for the WTC
> to collapse. That led to the bogus thermite theories, since a normal fire is
> 1000 degrees too cool to melt steel. I've straightened a truck coil spring
> by hand after heating it to 700 degrees below melting in a forge fire. You
> can see for yourself by heating a straightened paper clip red hot over a
> candle.

How about the photo of what looks like molten metal coming out of the side
of the building? Someone showed that to me and said that it proved that thermite
was in use because steel melts at about 2,500 degrees F.

That was the first time I saw that photo and it took me about 10 seconds to say
"aluminum." Melts at about 1,150 degrees F which is the temperature of ordinary
combustibles (wood, paper, dried paint, carpet, plastic, etc.).

It also looked like the molten aluminum I saw in shop class foundry in 9th grade.
Glowing with a whitish-reddish look.

Lots of aluminum in the planes and the buildings themselves.

"koz...@yahoo.com" wrote in message
news:7d9a9192-c80d-479d-96d3-1bdcd0a99b87n@googlegroups.com...

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
> Few people have the hands-on welding or blacksmithing experience to know
> how
> soft and weak red-hot steel is and might believe it had to melt for the
> WTC
> to collapse. That led to the bogus thermite theories, since a normal fire
> is
> 1000 degrees too cool to melt steel. I've straightened a truck coil spring
> by hand after heating it to 700 degrees below melting in a forge fire. You
> can see for yourself by heating a straightened paper clip red hot over a
> candle.

How about the photo of what looks like molten metal coming out of the side
of the building? Someone showed that to me and said that it proved that
thermite
was in use because steel melts at about 2,500 degrees F.

That was the first time I saw that photo and it took me about 10 seconds to
say
"aluminum." Melts at about 1,150 degrees F which is the temperature of
ordinary
combustibles (wood, paper, dried paint, carpet, plastic, etc.).

It also looked like the molten aluminum I saw in shop class foundry in 9th
grade.
Glowing with a whitish-reddish look.

Lots of aluminum in the planes and the buildings themselves.

-------------------------

Molten aluminum is at the threshold of barely glowing, indoor lighting may
obscure it. Molten steel on the other hand glows almost like the sun, a
welder needs shade 5 goggles with acetylene, shade 10-11 for arc welding to
safely and clearly see and control the molten puddle. The blacksmithing
instructor advised me not to stare too long at steel at yellow heat, around
2000-2200F. That's also the hottest I can read with a type K thermocouple in
the flame of a propane torch. The instant steel comes out of the forge flame
into the air it becomes covered with black oxide.

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 7:48:42 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> "koz...@yahoo.com" wrote in message
> news:7d9a9192-c80d-479d...@googlegroups.com...
> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 7:41:20 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
> >
> > Few people have the hands-on welding or blacksmithing experience to know
> > how
> > soft and weak red-hot steel is and might believe it had to melt for the
> > WTC
> > to collapse. That led to the bogus thermite theories, since a normal fire
> > is
> > 1000 degrees too cool to melt steel. I've straightened a truck coil spring
> > by hand after heating it to 700 degrees below melting in a forge fire. You
> > can see for yourself by heating a straightened paper clip red hot over a
> > candle.
>
> How about the photo of what looks like molten metal coming out of the side
> of the building? Someone showed that to me and said that it proved that
> thermite
> was in use because steel melts at about 2,500 degrees F.
>
> That was the first time I saw that photo and it took me about 10 seconds to
> say
> "aluminum." Melts at about 1,150 degrees F which is the temperature of
> ordinary
> combustibles (wood, paper, dried paint, carpet, plastic, etc.).
>
> It also looked like the molten aluminum I saw in shop class foundry in 9th
> grade.
> Glowing with a whitish-reddish look.
>
> Lots of aluminum in the planes and the buildings themselves.
> -------------------------
>
> Molten aluminum is at the threshold of barely glowing, indoor lighting may
> obscure it. Molten steel on the other hand glows almost like the sun, a
> welder needs shade 5 goggles with acetylene, shade 10-11 for arc welding to
> safely and clearly see and control the molten puddle. The blacksmithing
> instructor advised me not to stare too long at steel at yellow heat, around
> 2000-2200F. That's also the hottest I can read with a type K thermocouple in
> the flame of a propane torch. The instant steel comes out of the forge flame
> into the air it becomes covered with black oxide.

I have not seen molten steel in person. I'll bet it also has a tremendous amount
of radiant heat.

I did some research on the WTC photo back then, and one theory is that it is not
any molten metal, but perhaps something like a barrel of paint that burst open and
provided a few seconds of flaming material falling.

"koz...@yahoo.com" wrote in message
news:e7dcb17d-3b97-4c0a-96f1-df853fced5d9n@googlegroups.com...

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 7:48:42 AM UTC-4, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>
> Molten aluminum is at the threshold of barely glowing, indoor lighting may
> obscure it. Molten steel on the other hand glows almost like the sun,

I have not seen molten steel in person. I'll bet it also has a tremendous
amount
of radiant heat.

I did some research on the WTC photo back then, and one theory is that it is
not
any molten metal, but perhaps something like a barrel of paint that burst
open and
provided a few seconds of flaming material falling.

------------------------------

Molten lead was a possible candidate.
https://undicisettembre.blogspot.com/2008/03/nist-confirms-ups-on-81st-floor-of-wtc2.html

"koz...@yahoo.com" wrote in message
news:e7dcb17d-3b97-4c0a-96f1-df853fced5d9n@googlegroups.com...

I have not seen molten steel in person. I'll bet it also has a tremendous
amount
of radiant heat.

---------------------

I wouldn't know because the first lesson in welding class was on personal
protection, including not even watching from a distance without proper
shaded eye protection. Traditional blacksmithing with only a leather apron
involves lower temperatures and a small hot area partly shielded by the
moist coal around it, plus long handled tools that keep the hands well clear
of hot metal.

When I was 4 and 5 years old I was allowed to watch in the small foundry
next door, and learned a lot about aluminum sand casting, and staying alert
to danger. The 2-man crucible holder they poured with had handles around 5
feet long to keep them away from possible splashing or spray if the sand was
too damp. That was long before OSHA so I saw the old traditional methods
including hand-carving difficult details of the sand molds to match
templates, instead of putting them on the pattern.