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 by: sms - Mon, 24 Jul 2023 23:07 UTC

Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?

Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.

It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say “Hey Siri.” False
wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
wakes up whenever it just hears you say “Siri,” or at least that’s how
it’s supposed to work!

Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often
wake up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people
talking, or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was
amusing at first, now it’s a little annoying.

I could not find a way to change the “Wake” word in iOS. On Android it’s
possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app (Tasker)
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm>
and then an ad-supported app Autovoice AutoVoice
<https://joaoapps.com/autovoice/>. There used to be an app called
OpenMic+ which did the same thing but it was kicked out of the Google
Play store. It's on the Amazon Android App store but only will download
to certain devices.

I have seen some requests for a Jailbreak tweak to be able to change the
Siri wake word but no one appears to have developed such a tweak. I just
want to require "hey" again!

--
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 by: nospam - Mon, 24 Jul 2023 23:29 UTC

In article <u9n07j$qhnk$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?

no, and this is yet another one of your made up scenarios.

> Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.

there's a reason why it's called *beta*.

however, in this case, it's user error.

> It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say ³Hey Siri.² False
> wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
> wakes up whenever it just hears you say ³Siri,² or at least that¹s how
> it¹s supposed to work!

it's an *option*, which you have set to not require the 'hey' prefix.

> Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often
> wake up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people
> talking, or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was
> amusing at first, now it¹s a little annoying.

bullshit.

siri is trained on the user's voice so it *doesn't* false with random
people.

ios 17 makes 'hey' optional, which can increase the number of falses
(fewer syllables), however, it still requires the user's voice.

meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word. several
years ago, a tv commercial exploited that, which did not go over well.

> I could not find a way to change the ³Wake² word in iOS.

because you didn't look (or are lying).

> On Android it¹s
> possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app

then it's not part of android.

> I have seen some requests for a Jailbreak tweak to be able to change the
> Siri wake word but no one appears to have developed such a tweak.

bullshit you have.

there is literally *no* reason whatsoever for a jailbreak tweak to do
something that's already part of ios.

> I just
> want to require "hey" again!

then configure it appropriately.

this may come to you as as surprise, but computers do what you tell
them to do. you told it to not require 'hey', so it's doing just that.

tl;dr user error.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
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> meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word.

Which is what you want for a home device. Especially in the kitchen.

On a personal device like a phone, however, it makes sense to personalise
the wake work to a user's voice.

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 by: nospam - Tue, 25 Jul 2023 18:57 UTC

In article <u9p31t$1697l$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >
> > meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word.
>
> Which is what you want for a home device. Especially in the kitchen.

no. just ask parents who have had their kids order all sorts of stuff.

here's one of many:
<https://www.insider.com/kids-alexa-buy-700-worth-of-toys-moms-credit-ca
rd-2019-12>
Two siblings, aged 4 and 6, gave their mother a Christmas shock
when they bought $700 worth of gifts on her credit card, using
virtual assistant Alexa.

it can be set to confirm orders, but that's off by default and most
people don't even know it exists.

> On a personal device like a phone, however, it makes sense to personalise
> the wake work to a user's voice.

it makes sense to do that for any voice assistant, so that different
people can have different preferences.

for example, kids can have restricted access, such as being unable to
buy stuff, can't access certain content, etc. for older people, 'alexa,
call mum' will know *which* mum to call, based on who said it.

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <u9p31t$1697l$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> meanwhile, alexa falses when anyone says the trigger word.
>>
>> Which is what you want for a home device. Especially in the kitchen.
>
> no. just ask parents who have had their kids order all sorts of stuff.

User error.

Works perfectly fine for millions of people.

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 by: Bodger - Wed, 26 Jul 2023 19:40 UTC

On 7/24/2023 7:07 PM, sms wrote:
> Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?
>
> Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.
>
> It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say “Hey Siri.” False
> wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
> wakes up whenever it just hears you say “Siri,” or at least that’s how it’s
> supposed to work!
>
> Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often wake
> up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people talking,
> or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was amusing at
> first, now it’s a little annoying.
>
> I could not find a way to change the “Wake” word in iOS. On Android it’s
> possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app (Tasker)
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm> and then an ad-supported app Autovoice AutoVoice <https://joaoapps.com/autovoice/>. There used to be an app called OpenMic+ which did the same thing but it was kicked out of the Google Play store. It's on the Amazon Android App store but only will download to certain devices.
>
> I have seen some requests for a Jailbreak tweak to be able to change the
> Siri wake word but no one appears to have developed such a tweak. I just
> want to require "hey" again!
>

It does not take a paid app to change the wake word from "Alexa". You can
use the inbuilt options to select from four. Sure, you can't just pick
something random but it does not require a foreign app to change “Alexa” to
“Ziggy,” “Echo,” “Amazon,” or “Computer” which does give some leeway.

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 by: sms - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 06:29 UTC

On 7/26/2023 12:40 PM, Bodger wrote:

<snip>

> It does not take a paid app to change the wake word from "Alexa". You
> can use the inbuilt options to select from four. Sure, you can't just
> pick something random but it does not require a foreign app to change
> “Alexa” to “Ziggy,” “Echo,” “Amazon,” or “Computer” which does give some
> leeway.

You're talking about Amazon Alexa, and yes, it's easy to change the wake
word for Alexa to a choice of several different ones (and to purchase
some others).

For Google Assistant, it is not straightforward and for Siri it appears
to be not possible at all, however I did find the way to at least
restore the “hey” in settings.

I added this to the document as 227a on page 114, see
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.3u41m5z3kxry>.

Not a lot of people have loaded the iOS 17 beta yet and once iOS 17 is
fully released there will be a few hundred million more users that also
experience the false wake ups unless Apple does something about it in
iOS 17, like keeping the default as "Hey Siri" and making it an option
to change it to just "Siri."

There are also privacy issues with this iOS 17 change and I put a link
to the article that talks about this in 227a as well.

--
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really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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 by: nospam - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 11:02 UTC

In article <u9t2sn$1qfpl$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> For Google Assistant, it is not straightforward and for Siri it appears
> to be not possible at all, however I did find the way to at least
> restore the ³hey² in settings.

coincidentally, after i explained how trivial it is to do.

> Not a lot of people have loaded the iOS 17 beta yet and once iOS 17 is
> fully released there will be a few hundred million more users that also
> experience the false wake ups

the difference is minor and easily remedied if it's a problem.

> unless Apple does something about it in
> iOS 17, like keeping the default as "Hey Siri" and making it an option
> to change it to just "Siri."

there's nothing for apple to do. both choices are available.

> There are also privacy issues with this iOS 17 change and I put a link
> to the article that talks about this in 227a as well.

there are no privacy issues with this change.

stop with the bullshit.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 11:51 UTC

On 2023-07-25 01:07, sms wrote:
> Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?
>
> Everything was fine until the iOS Beta 17.
>
> It used to be that the way to wake up Siri was to say “Hey Siri.” False
> wake-ups were very rare. With iOS 17, which is still in beta, now Siri
> wakes up whenever it just hears you say “Siri,” or at least that’s how
> it’s supposed to work!
>
> Ever since I installed the iOS 17 bets on my iPhone, Siri will often
> wake up upon hearing things in the background whether from other people
> talking, or from something it hears on the radio or television. It was
> amusing at first, now it’s a little annoying.
>
> I could not find a way to change the “Wake” word in iOS. On Android it’s
> possible, but inconvenient. It requires a paid app (Tasker)
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.dinglisch.android.taskerm> and then an ad-supported app Autovoice AutoVoice <https://joaoapps.com/autovoice/>. There used to be an app called OpenMic+ which did the same thing but it was kicked out of the Google Play store. It's on the Amazon Android App store but only will download to certain devices.

I changed the wording on Android several years back, it was easy. No
need to download anything. Later, I disabled the feature. I assume the
keyword has not changed from what I set some years ago.

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Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: sms - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 14:20 UTC

On 7/27/2023 4:51 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

<snip>

> I changed the wording on Android several years back, it was easy. No
> need to download anything. Later, I disabled the feature. I assume the
> keyword has not changed from what I set some years ago.

As far as I could tell it is not possible to easily change the Google
Assistant wake-up word. On Amazon Alexa you can change it to one of a
handful of pre-programmed choices that are included free plus a few more
with a one time charge. As I wrote in a later post, there is a new
setting in iOS 17 that lets you choose between "Siri" (the default) and
"Hey Siri." I was not aware of that new setting until I did a search on
this issue. Apple should make "Hey Siri" the default since it's much
less likely to cause false wake-ups.

--
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really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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 by: nospam - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 15:44 UTC

In article <u9tug7$1t5de$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> As far as I could tell it is not possible to easily change the Google
> Assistant wake-up word.

originally, it was.

<https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/6/18296858/google-assistants-hey-worst-
feature-launch-phrase-settings-voices>
...Back in 2013, Google started selling its first branded phone, the
Moto X, which featured a pure Android OS, snazzily colored cases and
voice recognition tech, known then as Google Now. Several months
after the phone launched, Google added the ability (licensed from a
company called Sensory) to change the launch phrase from ³OK Google
Now² to anything you wanted. It was great. I named my phone ³Mr.
Pickwick² (I¹m a Dickens fan), and I had a friend who would happily
launch his phone by saying, ³Mrs. Peel, you¹re needed.²

> On Amazon Alexa you can change it to one of a
> handful of pre-programmed choices that are included free plus a few more
> with a one time charge. As I wrote in a later post, there is a new
> setting in iOS 17 that lets you choose between "Siri" (the default) and
> "Hey Siri." I was not aware of that new setting until I did a search on
> this issue.

nope. you stated you *had* done a search and that it couldn't be done,
hoping someone might create a jailbreak tweak to do it.

> Apple should make "Hey Siri" the default since it's much
> less likely to cause false wake-ups.

not by any significant amount.

meanwhile, google is removing the wake word *entirely* in some cases,
but of course, you conveniently neglect to mention that.

<https://www.tomsguide.com/news/google-assistant-may-be-saying-bye-bye-t
o-hey-google>
Quick phrases are a popular feature that were introduced with
the Pixel 6 last year and gives Google Assistant the ability to
listen for certain key words beyond ³Hey Google.²  For example,
the tech giant added quick phrases like ³turn up the volume,² ³what
time is my alarm set for'' and ³create a reminder² to the Nest Hub
Max. 

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Thu, 27 Jul 2023 20:46 UTC

On 2023-07-27 17:44, nospam wrote:
> In article <u9tug7$1t5de$1@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> As far as I could tell it is not possible to easily change the Google
>> Assistant wake-up word.
>
> originally, it was.
>
> <https://www.theverge.com/2019/4/6/18296858/google-assistants-hey-worst-
> feature-launch-phrase-settings-voices>
> ...Back in 2013, Google started selling its first branded phone, the
> Moto X, which featured a pure Android OS, snazzily colored cases and
> voice recognition tech, known then as Google Now. Several months
> after the phone launched, Google added the ability (licensed from a
> company called Sensory) to change the launch phrase from ³OK Google
> Now² to anything you wanted. It was great. I named my phone ³Mr.
> Pickwick² (I¹m a Dickens fan), and I had a friend who would happily
> launch his phone by saying, ³Mrs. Peel, you¹re needed.²

I think on Motorola it was done on "Moto" or "Motorola assistant" or
similar app. I checked on my current phone: I can train it on a few
phrases, disable saving in the cloud (for analysis by them), but not
change the phrase. I did that, then disabled it again. But it says that
it may be enabled by other apps, like for driving.

(The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
available)

....

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Cheers, Carlos.

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In article <hl1bpjx5og.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>
>
> (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
> available)

yes it is.

<https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 04:28 UTC

On 2023-07-27, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <hl1bpjx5og.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
><robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
>> available)
>
> yes it is.
>
><https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
> We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
> telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
> keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.

I've used this service for years and love it. 🙂👍🏼

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 10:42 UTC

On 2023-07-27 23:17, nospam wrote:
> In article <hl1bpjx5og.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
>> available)
>
> yes it is.
>
> <https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
> We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
> telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
> keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.

That's not the google solution.

It is not chitchatting them, but finding out what they want, then
allowing you to actually answer them or drop the connection.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 12:49 UTC

In article <gmicpjxeqa.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> >> (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
> >> available)
> >
> > yes it is.
> >
> > <https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
> > We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
> > telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
> > keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.
>
> That's not the google solution.
>
> It is not chitchatting them, but finding out what they want, then
> allowing you to actually answer them or drop the connection.

it definitely chitchats them, with wildly irrelevant comments. listen
to some of the recordings. they're quite amusing.

<https://jollyrogertelephone.com/our-robots/>

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 by: badgolferman - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:41 UTC

sms wrote:

> "Hey Siri"

I hate the word "Siri" and also hate talking to my phone like it's a
person. I hate talking to automated systems on the phone when you call
a business. I barely use Siri except for when I'm driving and want to
listen to a voicemail or send a text message.

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 by: badgolferman - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 13:56 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> Any way to change the "Wake" word for Siri?
>
>no, and this is yet another one of your made up scenarios.

I'm starting to think you're right.

And the entire reason is to add something to his Google document.

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 by: sms - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 16:31 UTC

On 7/28/2023 6:56 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

> And the entire reason is to add something to his Google document.

LOL, untrue. In an open office with multiple Microsoft Teams or Google
Meet meetings going on at the same time, and people talking the false
wake-ups were amusing at first, then annoying.

I was telling some people at work when they upgrade to iOS 17 to be sure
to change the Siri settings. Sure enough I get a "mm hm?" from my phone.

Now that I changed the setting back to "Hey Siri" those false wake-ups
aren't an issue anymore. There was a study of false wake words for these
assistants, see
<https://www.cultofmac.com/716154/siri-activated-by-a-city-or-ok-jerry-reveals-study-of-false-wake-words/>:
"“The devices are intentionally programmed in a somewhat forgiving
manner, because they are supposed to be able to understand their humans.
Therefore, they are more likely to start up once too often rather than
not at all.”

How hard would it be for Google and Apple to add the capability to
select or program a different wake-up word or phrase? I had an
application that you could program to open specific applications back in
the MS-DOS days. I'm sure that Google is thrilled that their company
name gets called out hundreds of millions times a day when waking up
Google Assistant.

Once you install iOS 17 I suspect that you'll experience the same issue
if you turn Siri on with the default.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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 by: nospam - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 19:23 UTC

In article <ua0qge$29jgh$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> > And the entire reason is to add something to his Google document.
>
> LOL, untrue. In an open office with multiple Microsoft Teams or Google
> Meet meetings going on at the same time, and people talking the false
> wake-ups were amusing at first, then annoying.

i'll take things that never happened for $200.

oh and let's not forget that google removed the wake word entirely in
some cases. how much falsing is *that* going to cause?

> I was telling some people at work when they upgrade to iOS 17 to be sure
> to change the Siri settings. Sure enough I get a "mm hm?" from my phone.

i'll take things that never happened for $400.

> Now that I changed the setting back to "Hey Siri" those false wake-ups
> aren't an issue anymore.

i'll take things that never happened for $600.

the simple fact is it's not an issue either way. the difference between
'hey siri' and just 'siri' is negligible.

> There was a study of false wake words for these
> assistants, see
>
> <https://www.cultofmac.com/716154/siri-activated-by-a-city-or-ok-jerry-reveals-
> study-of-false-wake-words/>:
> "³The devices are intentionally programmed in a somewhat forgiving
> manner, because they are supposed to be able to understand their humans.
> Therefore, they are more likely to start up once too often rather than
> not at all.²

you selectively quoted, as usual.

continuing,

In order to understand what makes these terms false triggers, the
researchers broke the words down into their smallest possible sound
units and identified the units that were often confused by the voice
assistants. Based on these findings, they generated new trigger words
and showed that these terms also activated the voice assistants.

that's a scenario that does not happen in the real world. full stop.

>
> How hard would it be for Google and Apple to add the capability to
> select or program a different wake-up word or phrase?

that won't solve the problem you claim exists.

> Once you install iOS 17 I suspect that you'll experience the same issue
> if you turn Siri on with the default.

as usual, you suspect wrong.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Fri, 28 Jul 2023 20:51 UTC

On 2023-07-28 14:49, nospam wrote:
> In article <gmicpjxeqa.ln2@Telcontar.valinor>, Carlos E.R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>> (The feature I'd love, an assistant to talk to spammers, is still not
>>>> available)
>>>
>>> yes it is.
>>>
>>> <https://jollyrogertelephone.com>
>>> We provide friendly, patient robots that talk to these rude
>>> telemarketers for you. They love to chit-chat, and will often
>>> keep nasty callers engaged for several minutes.
>>
>> That's not the google solution.
>>
>> It is not chitchatting them, but finding out what they want, then
>> allowing you to actually answer them or drop the connection.
>
> it definitely chitchats them, with wildly irrelevant comments. listen
> to some of the recordings. they're quite amusing.

Which is absolutely not the thing I was talking about. I don't want
chitchatting them. I want serious talk with them by the robot to find
what they want, and if they are not spammer, then and only then ring the
bell.

This is a Google only feature on their Pixel phones, they have not made
it available to other users.

I don't want my doctor to phone me on an unknown number and be pissed
off by a nuisance robot.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: sms - Sat, 29 Jul 2023 16:08 UTC

On 7/28/2023 6:41 AM, badgolferman wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>> "Hey Siri"
>
>
> I hate the word "Siri" and also hate talking to my phone like it's a
> person. I hate talking to automated systems on the phone when you call
> a business. I barely use Siri except for when I'm driving and want to
> listen to a voicemail or send a text message.

I used to rarely use it, but I find that it's more convenient than
dialing a phone number or looking it up in contacts.

I have one of those Google Assistant devices at home that I use often.
Google Assistant is so much better than Siri in terms of usefulness and
accuracy.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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 by: sms - Sat, 29 Jul 2023 16:59 UTC

On 7/28/2023 1:51 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

<snip>

> This is a Google only feature on their Pixel phones, they have not made
> it available to other users.

I suspect that Google has patented the "Call Screen" feature that is on
the Pixel and has no intention of making it part of stock Android. It's
one of the few big selling points for the Pixel phones, at least for
those who understand how it works, and Google probably doesn't want
Samsung, Motorola, etc., (or Apple!), to have it.

I cover Pixel’s “Call Screen” on the Pixel device in 214a in the
document.
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.7uqr3urbenso>.

“Call Screen (Google Pixel only) is not really an Android feature, but
it’s incredibly useful. Call Screen analyzes the caller’s phone number
to determine if it’s a spam call and declines those calls automatically.
As Android Police states: “The robocall and spam screening feature is
much more robust than Google's normal spam database.”

If Call Screen doesn’t know if it’s a spam call, but suspects it, then
it queries the caller as to the reason for the call and presents you
with a transcript of the caller’s responses, then you can decide what to
do with the call; answer it, send it to voicemail, or have Google
Assistant ask more questions of the caller to determine what to do with
the call. It’s likely that Call Screen is a patented feature that Google
has no intention of allowing other Android device makers (or Apple) to use.”

There is a Jailbreak Tweak called "LetMeDecline"
<https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/12/18/letmedecline/> for Jailbroken
iPhones, but it doesn't automatically screen calls, it just lets you
decline calls from the screen when the phone is locked. If someone could
write a Tweak that duplicates Google's "Call Screen" that would be
awesome but it probably is not something that is possible to do because
analyzing phone numbers to determine if it's a spam call or robocall
would not be possible.

Note that you can get some call screening features by using a Google
Voice number forwarded to your carrier number instead of using your
carrier number directly.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

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 by: nospam - Sat, 29 Jul 2023 18:15 UTC

In article <ua3ghv$2lqau$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> I suspect that Google has patented the "Call Screen" feature that is on
> the Pixel and has no intention of making it part of stock Android.

there's that overused patent claim.

cite a patent number or admit it's bullshit.

> It's
> one of the few big selling points for the Pixel phones, at least for
> those who understand how it works,

no, it very definitely isn't one of the 'few big selling points' for
pixel phones, which don't sell that well at all.

> and Google probably doesn't want
> Samsung, Motorola, etc., (or Apple!), to have it.

more fabricated bullshit.

> ³Call Screen (Google Pixel only) is not really an Android feature, but
> it¹s incredibly useful. Call Screen analyzes the caller¹s phone number
> to determine if it¹s a spam call and declines those calls automatically.

that's not unique to pixel.

t-mobile shows a verified mark if the call is non-spam.

various voip providers offer spam detection and filtering.

numerous ios apps offer spam detection and filtering.

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Sat, 29 Jul 2023 19:47 UTC

On 2023-07-29 20:15, nospam wrote:
> In article <ua3ghv$2lqau$1@dont-email.me>, sms
> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I suspect that Google has patented the "Call Screen" feature that is on
>> the Pixel and has no intention of making it part of stock Android.
>
> there's that overused patent claim.
>
> cite a patent number or admit it's bullshit.
>
>> It's
>> one of the few big selling points for the Pixel phones, at least for
>> those who understand how it works,
>
> no, it very definitely isn't one of the 'few big selling points' for
> pixel phones, which don't sell that well at all.
>
>> and Google probably doesn't want
>> Samsung, Motorola, etc., (or Apple!), to have it.
>
> more fabricated bullshit.
>
>
>
>> ³Call Screen (Google Pixel only) is not really an Android feature, but
>> it¹s incredibly useful. Call Screen analyzes the caller¹s phone number
>> to determine if it¹s a spam call and declines those calls automatically.
>
> that's not unique to pixel.
>
> t-mobile shows a verified mark if the call is non-spam.
>
> various voip providers offer spam detection and filtering.
>
> numerous ios apps offer spam detection and filtering.

Nay. There is nothing like Google's Call Screen, which is only available
on Pixel phones.

--
Cheers, Carlos.


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