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Why was Kaiser Wilhelm II blamed for WWI?

Kaiser Wilhelm II was the last emperor of Germany and the king of
Prussia from 1888 to 1918. He was also one of the most controversial
figures in history, as he is widely blamed for starting World War I by
his aggressive and reckless foreign policy. But was he really the main
culprit, or was he just a convenient scapegoat for a complex and
inevitable conflict? I will argue that Kaiser Wilhelm II was indeed
responsible for WWI, but not solely or directly. Rather, he contributed
to the war by creating a climate of tension, mistrust and rivalry among
the European powers, by alienating his allies and provoking his enemies,
and by failing to control his own military and political advisers.

One of the main reasons why Kaiser Wilhelm II is blamed for WWI is his
ambition to make Germany a world power that could challenge Britain's
supremacy on the seas and in the colonies. He pursued this goal by
launching a massive naval expansion program, by supporting German
colonial expansion in Africa and Asia, and by seeking alliances with
other countries that shared his anti-British sentiment, such as
Austria-Hungary, Italy and Turkey. However, these moves backfired, as
they alarmed Britain and France, who felt threatened by Germany's
growing economic and military strength. They also created tensions
within Europe, as Germany's rivals competed for spheres of influence and
resources in the Balkans, the Middle East and Africa.

Kaiser Wilhelm II was known for his erratic and impulsive personality,
which often led him to make rash and provocative statements that
offended other leaders and nations. For example, he congratulated the
Boers for resisting British invasion in South Africa in 1896, he
encouraged the Moroccan rebels to defy French rule in 1905 and 1911, he
called on German soldiers to act like "Huns" during the Boxer Rebellion
in China in 1900, and he declared himself the protector of all Muslims
in 1899. These actions not only damaged Germany's reputation and
credibility, but also increased the hostility and suspicion of Britain,
France and Russia towards Germany. They also undermined his own
diplomatic efforts to maintain peace and stability in Europe.

Kaiser Wilhelm II lacked control over his own government and military.
He often appointed incompetent or inexperienced ministers and generals
who did not share his vision or follow his instructions. He also allowed
them to pursue their own agendas without consulting him or coordinating
with each other. For instance, he did not prevent his foreign minister
from sending a blank check to Austria-Hungary in 1914, which encouraged
them to declare war on Serbia after the assassination of Archduke Franz
Ferdinand.

He also did not stop his chief of staff from implementing the Schlieffen
Plan, which involved invading France through Belgium, a neutral country
that had a treaty with Britain. These decisions triggered a chain
reaction that led to the outbreak of WWI.

Kaiser Wilhelm II was responsible for WWI, but not in a direct or simple
way. He was not the mastermind behind the war, nor did he deliberately
plan or want it. Rather, he was a flawed and misguided leader who made
several mistakes that contributed to the war. He pursued an aggressive
and ambitious foreign policy that antagonized other powers. He made
impolitic and inflammatory remarks that offended other nations. He
failed to control his own government and military that acted without his
consent or knowledge. He was not the only cause of WWI, but he was
certainly one of the most important ones.

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Jim Goza
· May 14
He also personally allowed the leader of the Bolshevik movement,
Vladimir Lenin, to pass secretly from his place of exile back to Russia
where Lenin immediately fanned the flames of the Russian Revolution into
a full blown bonfire.

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Rene Wells
· May 15
The Kaiser's leadership and influence waned over the course of the Great
War. The Generals, Hindenburg and Ludendorff, were the ones calling the
shots by then.

The negotiations that led to the ruinous Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, of
course, included German assistance in the safe passage of Lenin and his
entourage through Germany territory. This was meant to further
destabilize Russia as factions within the country were well on their way
to fighting it out in a revolution to overthrow the Provisional Kerensky
Government (which lasted a mere eight months) and gain control of the
nation. It also, in a way, led to the eventual defeat of Germany itself.
German negotiators, in their ambitious, shortsighted desire for
disastrous reparations from Russia, acquired various western territories
that included the Baltic States, parts of Poland, and the independence
of Ukraine - which would operate as a vassal state, intended to feed
Germans and provide much needed coal. The problem was the number of
German troops - about a million in all - needed to remain in place
across the east to keep the peace. Troops desperately needed that could
not be shifted to bolster and reinforce the Western Front.

My point in this is that the leadership of Generals was pivotal in
winning that aspect of the war, but their territorial ambitions consumed
them. Winning the peace in that theater, which they went on to lose, was
critical at this juncture for Imperial Germany. It served to emphasize
the figurehead status of the Kaiser Wilhelm II and his government at
this point, with the two Generals taking the lead on both the direction
over the country's affairs and fighting a war at the same time. Their
blunders in those negotiations served as motivation for the ruinous
terms specified in the Treaty of Versailles a year later - the
victorious Allies pointing out the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk when German
negotiators balked at the conditions imposed on them.

In a sense, the events directed by the German General Staff during this
period of history were part of an important sequence that later led to
the eventual ascent of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi Party and, of course,
bringing about the more deadly Second World War. The Kaiser, through the
buffoonish caricature he cultivated over the previous decades, was left
to watch those events unfold around him, completely beyond and out of
his control.

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Kai-Uwe Boeckmann
· May 15
Which ended WW1 in the East.

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Syed Hasan Shirazi
· May 14
It almost seems what you are saying is that the reason WW1 started was
that Germany did not quietly submit to British and French hegemony due
to Kaiser Wilhelm II “ambition to make Germany a world power that could
challenge Britain's supremacy on the seas and in the colonies.”

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Ali Sheezer
· May 15
Yep. That is really the victor’s narrative. I find it funny that the
blank cheque is seen as a huge crime but the fact that Russia began to
mobilize its forces first (even though partially) is ignored.

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Robert Hansen
· May 17
Mobilization is not an act of war, and Russian mobilization is not
remotely ignored — everyone who’s eager to uncritically and unthinkingly
adopt the Imperial German perspective on the war invokes the Russian
mobilization, as if it’s somehow comparable to Austria’s illegitimate
invasion of Serbia or Germany’s unprovoked attack on Belgium.

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Ali Sheezer
· May 17
I don’t understand why challenging the victor’s view on the First World
War is adopting the Imperial German perspective.

First, Austria-Hungary’s invasion was not illegitimate. Austria-Hungary
had a valid casus belli for invading Serbia since its heir to the throne
had been assassinated in Serbian territory. It did press for demands
that were unacceptable to the Serbian government but that does not make
the invasion itself illegitimate. Keep in mind that international law
did not exactly exist back then. It does not seem to work very well even
today sadly.

Secondly, in the period of the First World War a mobilization was seen
as an act of war since if you were going to mobilize your army you
likely intended to go to war. Russia ordered a partial mobilization,
which was not the same as a full mobilization but sort of tied Germany’s
hands.

Thirdly, Germany’s invasion of Belgium occurred after war had been
declared by most belligerents. While Germany did violate Belgian
neutrality, this was not exactly unheard of in that era since many of
the imperial powers had carved their empires through violating similar
agreements with stakeholders in other places. Belgium was no stranger to
imperalism, with its horrible treatment of its Congo colony being one of
the most abhorrent in modern history. This does not in any way though
make Germany responsible for the First World War.


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 by: Jim Wilkins - Mon, 29 May 2023 22:42 UTC

"a425couple" wrote in message news:GY6dM.635824$Lfzc.4565@fx36.iad...

....Keep in mind that international law
did not exactly exist back then. It does not seem to work very well even
today sadly. ...

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The causes of WW1 are numerous and still debatable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_World_War_I

My favorite what-if is the Kaiser paying more heed to Bismarck who had
served his father so well. But he was head-strong in the manner of Frederick
the Great, just not as talented.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Kurt_von_Hammerstein-Equord
"One must beware of anyone who is both stupid and hardworking; he must not
be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always only cause
damage."
In another version dumb ambitious officers should be shot.

International law certainly could have existed if the other European powers
had been less eager to fight and more willing to follow the Tsar's lead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Conventions_of_1899_and_1907

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-German_naval_arms_race

A peaceful encounter in Africa where the French and British railroads were
meant to cross was inflated domestically nearly to war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashoda_Incident

The modern Olympics were created to physically prepare the French for the
inevitable rematch against Germany to revenge the French defeat in the
Franco-Prussian War.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/pierre-de-coubertin

Very few saw the advantage rapidly improving firepower would give the
defense, resulting in a grinding stalemate presaged by the US Civil War's
trench sieges to starvation at Vicksburg and Petersburg. Europeans observers
dismissed the US battles as too amateurish to apply to them, despite
suffering even worse at Sevastopol. As late as 1916 the British expected
horse cavalry to sweep through the German lines after a breakthrough on the
Somme. They didn't get far. After Napoleon a century of limited atypical
wars didn't clearly warn how different wars of the future would be from the
relatively civilized and tolerable ones of past.

The USA has tried hard, within budget limits, to stay prepared for all
levels of warfare, not just small ones against poorly equipped opponents.
The results from Ukraine suggest that we succeeded. The aircraft carriers in
particular have been vital against opponents without air power, to limit
conflicts, but their survival against the big league is still an open
question that is too classified to discuss meaningfully.

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 by: Keith Willshaw - Mon, 29 May 2023 22:57 UTC

On 29/05/2023 20:23, a425couple wrote:
> Silk Road
>  ·
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> AI ExpertMay 14
> Why was Kaiser Wilhelm II blamed for WWI?
>
> Kaiser Wilhelm II was the last emperor of Germany and the king of
> Prussia from 1888 to 1918. He was also one of the most controversial
> figures in history, as he is widely blamed for starting World War I by
> his aggressive and reckless foreign policy. But was he really the main
> culprit, or was he just a convenient scapegoat for a complex and
> inevitable conflict? I will argue that Kaiser Wilhelm II was indeed
> responsible for WWI, but not solely or directly. Rather, he contributed
> to the war by creating a climate of tension, mistrust and rivalry among
> the European powers, by alienating his allies and provoking his enemies,
> and by failing to control his own military and political advisers.
>

All true but at the end of the day when it all goes wrong the boss gets
the blame. The reality was that without the German invasion of Belgium
the UK would never have got involved but Britain was a guarantor of
Belgian nutreality and felt morally and legally obliged to act.

Wilhelm had no real power, that lay with Hindeburg and Ludendorff who
effectively ran Germany as a military dictatorship.

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