On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:45:58 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:13:59 +0700, John B. scribed:
>> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>Why are we allowing this destruction of our economy when the ONLY one
>> >>that profits from this is the Chinese?
>> >
>> > Gee Tommy, China exported some $451.7 billion worth of goods to the U.S.
>> > in 2019 and expects exports to be 20% higher in 2021. Do you really
>> > believe that China wants to destroy the U.S. economy and lose all that
>> > business?
>> Gee, how can you expect silly little tommy to understand that when he can
>> not, as he repeatedly tells us, sell his second hand bicycles on
>> Craigslist?

>You and John really should get together, I can tell two queers wanting to be lovers from a mile away. Tell us all - what do you know about Soy Bean Farmers? Did it for one second ever cross your mind that if you actually KNEW about these things that you would know that there were 100 US markets for them to exploit instead of assisting China grow stronger? Tell us what you know about Soy Bean Oil? Tell us what you know about plastics derived from Soy Bean solids?

Soybean farmers? Well one of my wife's younger brothers has what
appear to be a square kilometer, or so of soy beans. Perhaps I could
ask him. And my wife buys soy bean oil to cook with so I'll ask her
too.

But more to the point, when China raised the import duty on soybean
products the U.S. farmers started bitching and did so, so loudly that
the U.S. government gave then something like twelve million dollars.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:26:27 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 9:06:44 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 10/12/2021 10:46 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 6:57:45 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:14:06 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> For the legal staff here - the counties surrounding the San Francisco bay area had decided to require masks on everyone at every business.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If you enter a restaurant you have to wear a mask until you're seated at which time you are magically protected by sitting down and may remove your mask. Corona viruses are spread via aerosols - that is - a cloud of virus carried ON THE AIR which can travel remarkable distances or hang in the air like a cloud forever, they do not fall to the floor and they are dispersed only by air movement. So obviously it is silly to require a mask of any sort since NONE of them can block aerosols or you couldn't breath.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> More importantly - I believe it to be a criminal act to require people buying food in a supermarket to wear a mask or refuse them service. So supermarket management and the county boards of supervisors should be open to law suit or criminal prosecution for discrimination.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But how does one go about accomplishing this? Lawyers who you would think would take a winning case like this in a second, appear to be more afraid of the woke crowd than the appeal of a paying case. They won't even answer questions on the subject.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Covid probably does not exist and the rank and file at the CDC have been trying to communicate this to the people that can read their pages. There were some 2,000 excess respiratory disease deaths in March and April of 2020. These deaths have NOW been classified by the CDC as INFLUENZA. The excess coronary disease deaths which were between 9 and 12,000 were doubtless caused also by influenza bringing on the usual pneumonia deaths of old and very sick people.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Fauci's lockdowns caused 30,000 EXCESS deaths that were entirely predictable so Fauci is guilty of murder.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> After the April Influenza deaths there were NO OTHER ABNORMAL RESPIRATORY DEATHS for for the entire 2020. And remember there were no vaccines then to praise Allah for saving us.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> For most of 2021 respiratory deaths were significantly below normal as one would expect of a population that isn't traveling or hanging about in groups visiting their old sick relatives. On the other hand, this absence of visiting old sick relatives accelerated the deaths due to dementia. Next year no doubt this will show a lower rate of death in this group since they have died early.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The US economy was destroyed solely to allow the Democrats to force mass mailings of election ballots and cause mass election fraud on a scale unheard of in the history of this country and the FBI and DOJ sit around with their fingers up their butts.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Why are we allowing this destruction of our economy when the ONLY one that profits from this is the Chinese?
>> >>> Gee Tommy, China exported some $451.7 billion worth of goods to the
>> >>> U.S. in 2019 and expects exports to be 20% higher in 2021. Do you
>> >>> really believe that China wants to destroy the U.S. economy and lose
>> >>> all that business?
>> >>> --
>> >>> Cheers,
>> >>>
>> >>> John B.
>> >> John, don't you know that Tommy is smart? He knows that China and Japan too, both hold over 1 TRILLION of USA federal government debt. Tommy knows that China wants the USA to DEFAULT on the 1 TRILLION of its debt held by China. Tommy knows China wants to go bankrupt when they do not get any interest or repayment of the 1 TRILLION debt. Tommy knows everything about business. He knows its best to loan/give 1 TRILLION money and get zero in return. Smart Tommy.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090616/5-countries-own-most-us-debt.asp
>> > Russy, I see that your economics education is showing its non-existence again when you think that China and/or Japan owning US government bonds is "holding American debt".
>> >
>> If words matter, a 'bondholder' 'holds the debt'.
>> It's tautological.
>
>Treasury bonds are an interest paying INVESTMENT. You are not "holding the debt". You are making an investment. "When you buy a government bond, you lend the government an agreed amount of money for an agreed period of time. In return, the government will pay you back a set level of interest at regular periods, known as the coupon. This makes bonds a fixed-income asset."

Tommy, we can ask Jay for the legal definition but the bonds I've
bought were actually a document stating that I had loaned XYZ company
a sum of money and that in return they agreed to pay me a certain
amount of money on a time basis for the use of my money".

And yes, it could be called an "investment" but essentially it was a
loan agreement saying that they owed me X amount of money.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 10/12/2021 8:53 PM, jbeattie wrote:
>

I'll just note that Tom claims to have lost a lot of money in the Obama
era stock market.

I very much doubt that's really true; but if it were, we're getting
clues why.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 17:36:38 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:

> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:29:57 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:52:53 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
>> > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:45:58 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:13:59 +0700, John B. scribed:
>> >> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>Why are we allowing this destruction of our economy when the ONLY
>> >> >>one that profits from this is the Chinese?
>> >> >
>> >> > Gee Tommy, China exported some $451.7 billion worth of goods to
>> >> > the U.S.
>> >> > in 2019 and expects exports to be 20% higher in 2021. Do you
>> >> > really believe that China wants to destroy the U.S. economy and
>> >> > lose all that business?
>> >> Gee, how can you expect silly little tommy to understand that when
>> >> he can not, as he repeatedly tells us, sell his second hand bicycles
>> >> on Craigslist?
>>
>> > You and John really should get together, I can tell two queers
>> > wanting to be lovers from a mile away. Tell us all - what do you know
>> > about Soy Bean Farmers? Did it for one second ever cross your mind
>> > that if you actually KNEW about these things that you would know that
>> > there were 100 US markets for them to exploit instead of assisting
>> > China grow stronger?
>> > Tell us what you know about Soy Bean Oil? Tell us what you know about
>> > plastics derived from Soy Bean solids?
>> >
>> > I can hardly wait for you to demonstrate yet more of your ignorance
>> > of the world around you.
>> Well, I'm really surprised that you haven't used your great knowledge
>> about soy beans to help US farmers in these matters. This would help
>> your government from having to prop up sale to the chinese pig market.
>>
>> Are you expecting points for your usual insult, divert and irrelevant
>> reply.
>>
>> P.S what level of report are you prepared to pay for? I didn't retire
>> 17 years early by giving this sort of information away.
> You haven't answered my question

I'm following your lead.

> What soy bean farmers do you know?

The usual soy bean farmers.

> Or are you taking the reporting of the Lame Stream Media
> anti-Trumpers for
> granted because that is what you wish to believe?

Rural Press, but I think it is a Murdoch publication.

On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:52:35 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:46:45 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 6:57:45 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:14:06 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >For the legal staff here - the counties surrounding the San Francisco bay area had decided to require masks on everyone at every business.
> >> > >
> >> > >If you enter a restaurant you have to wear a mask until you're seated at which time you are magically protected by sitting down and may remove your mask. Corona viruses are spread via aerosols - that is - a cloud of virus carried ON THE AIR which can travel remarkable distances or hang in the air like a cloud forever, they do not fall to the floor and they are dispersed only by air movement. So obviously it is silly to require a mask of any sort since NONE of them can block aerosols or you couldn't breath.
> >> > >
> >> > >More importantly - I believe it to be a criminal act to require people buying food in a supermarket to wear a mask or refuse them service. So supermarket management and the county boards of supervisors should be open to law suit or criminal prosecution for discrimination.
> >> > >
> >> > >But how does one go about accomplishing this? Lawyers who you would think would take a winning case like this in a second, appear to be more afraid of the woke crowd than the appeal of a paying case. They won't even answer questions on the subject.
> >> > >
> >> > >Covid probably does not exist and the rank and file at the CDC have been trying to communicate this to the people that can read their pages. There were some 2,000 excess respiratory disease deaths in March and April of 2020. These deaths have NOW been classified by the CDC as INFLUENZA. The excess coronary disease deaths which were between 9 and 12,000 were doubtless caused also by influenza bringing on the usual pneumonia deaths of old and very sick people.
> >> > >
> >> > >Fauci's lockdowns caused 30,000 EXCESS deaths that were entirely predictable so Fauci is guilty of murder.
> >> > >
> >> > >After the April Influenza deaths there were NO OTHER ABNORMAL RESPIRATORY DEATHS for for the entire 2020. And remember there were no vaccines then to praise Allah for saving us.
> >> > >
> >> > >For most of 2021 respiratory deaths were significantly below normal as one would expect of a population that isn't traveling or hanging about in groups visiting their old sick relatives. On the other hand, this absence of visiting old sick relatives accelerated the deaths due to dementia. Next year no doubt this will show a lower rate of death in this group since they have died early.
> >> > >
> >> > >The US economy was destroyed solely to allow the Democrats to force mass mailings of election ballots and cause mass election fraud on a scale unheard of in the history of this country and the FBI and DOJ sit around with their fingers up their butts.
> >> > >
> >> > >Why are we allowing this destruction of our economy when the ONLY one that profits from this is the Chinese?
> >> > Gee Tommy, China exported some $451.7 billion worth of goods to the
> >> > U.S. in 2019 and expects exports to be 20% higher in 2021. Do you
> >> > really believe that China wants to destroy the U.S. economy and lose
> >> > all that business?
> >> > --
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > John B.
> >> John, don't you know that Tommy is smart? He knows that China and Japan too, both hold over 1 TRILLION of USA federal government debt. Tommy knows that China wants the USA to DEFAULT on the 1 TRILLION of its debt held by China. Tommy knows China wants to go bankrupt when they do not get any interest or repayment of the 1 TRILLION debt. Tommy knows everything about business. He knows its best to loan/give 1 TRILLION money and get zero in return. Smart Tommy.
> >>
> >> https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090616/5-countries-own-most-us-debt.asp
> >Russy, I see that your economics education is showing its non-existence again when you think that China and/or Japan owning US government bonds is "holding American debt".
> "owning US government bonds is "holding American debt"???
>
> Tommy, a "bond" is defined as "a fixed income instrument that
> represents a loan made by an investor to a borrower (typically
> corporate or governmental)"
>
> So, what do you thing holding a U.S. Bond means?
>
> As an aside, I really think you should see your doctor as your
> delusions are getting worse and worse.

Johnny, if you had a tight hold on your mental facilities you would know that you are taking my side against the claims of Jay. I find this as not a surprise since you don't have to actually know anything - you just feel the need to argue.

On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:53:45 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:22:54 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 3:53:26 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 1:43:56 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 1:40:08 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 1:21:06 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 1:14:51 PM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 12:26:29 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 9:06:44 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 10/12/2021 10:46 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 6:57:45 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 8:14:06 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > > > > > > > > >>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> For the legal staff here - the counties surrounding the San Francisco bay area had decided to require masks on everyone at every business.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> If you enter a restaurant you have to wear a mask until you're seated at which time you are magically protected by sitting down and may remove your mask. Corona viruses are spread via aerosols - that is - a cloud of virus carried ON THE AIR which can travel remarkable distances or hang in the air like a cloud forever, they do not fall to the floor and they are dispersed only by air movement. So obviously it is silly to require a mask of any sort since NONE of them can block aerosols or you couldn't breath.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> More importantly - I believe it to be a criminal act to require people buying food in a supermarket to wear a mask or refuse them service. So supermarket management and the county boards of supervisors should be open to law suit or criminal prosecution for discrimination.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> But how does one go about accomplishing this? Lawyers who you would think would take a winning case like this in a second, appear to be more afraid of the woke crowd than the appeal of a paying case. They won't even answer questions on the subject.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Covid probably does not exist and the rank and file at the CDC have been trying to communicate this to the people that can read their pages. There were some 2,000 excess respiratory disease deaths in March and April of 2020. These deaths have NOW been classified by the CDC as INFLUENZA. The excess coronary disease deaths which were between 9 and 12,000 were doubtless caused also by influenza bringing on the usual pneumonia deaths of old and very sick people.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Fauci's lockdowns caused 30,000 EXCESS deaths that were entirely predictable so Fauci is guilty of murder.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> After the April Influenza deaths there were NO OTHER ABNORMAL RESPIRATORY DEATHS for for the entire 2020. And remember there were no vaccines then to praise Allah for saving us.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> For most of 2021 respiratory deaths were significantly below normal as one would expect of a population that isn't traveling or hanging about in groups visiting their old sick relatives. On the other hand, this absence of visiting old sick relatives accelerated the deaths due to dementia. Next year no doubt this will show a lower rate of death in this group since they have died early.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> The US economy was destroyed solely to allow the Democrats to force mass mailings of election ballots and cause mass election fraud on a scale unheard of in the history of this country and the FBI and DOJ sit around with their fingers up their butts.
> > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > >>>> Why are we allowing this destruction of our economy when the ONLY one that profits from this is the Chinese?
> > > > > > > > > >>> Gee Tommy, China exported some $451.7 billion worth of goods to the
> > > > > > > > > >>> U.S. in 2019 and expects exports to be 20% higher in 2021. Do you
> > > > > > > > > >>> really believe that China wants to destroy the U.S. economy and lose
> > > > > > > > > >>> all that business?
> > > > > > > > > >>> --
> > > > > > > > > >>> Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> John B.
> > > > > > > > > >> John, don't you know that Tommy is smart? He knows that China and Japan too, both hold over 1 TRILLION of USA federal government debt. Tommy knows that China wants the USA to DEFAULT on the 1 TRILLION of its debt held by China. Tommy knows China wants to go bankrupt when they do not get any interest or repayment of the 1 TRILLION debt. Tommy knows everything about business. He knows its best to loan/give 1 TRILLION money and get zero in return. Smart Tommy.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090616/5-countries-own-most-us-debt.asp
> > > > > > > > > > Russy, I see that your economics education is showing its non-existence again when you think that China and/or Japan owning US government bonds is "holding American debt".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > If words matter, a 'bondholder' 'holds the debt'.
> > > > > > > > > It's tautological.
> > > > > > > > Treasury bonds are an interest paying INVESTMENT. You are not "holding the debt". You are making an investment. "When you buy a government bond, you lend the government an agreed amount of money for an agreed period of time. In return, the government will pay you back a set level of interest at regular periods, known as the coupon. This makes bonds a fixed-income asset."
> > > > > > > Dear dope, a "bond" is by definition a debt instrument. It is an IOU. Why are you arguing the point? One may invest in debt or equity -- or basically anything. You are a MENSA god and should know this.
> > > > > > Perhaps a better question might be that when I gave the Investopedia definition of the term WHY are you attempting to redefine it in your own terms for no other reasons than to argue with it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A debt INSTUMENT does not give you part of someone else's debt. It makes them indebted to YOU.
> > > > > Dear still-a-dope, you need to read more of Ivestopedia -- https://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/debtinstrument.asp
> > > > > Scroll down, now keep scrolling down . . . stop! There it is:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Some of the most common debt security instruments include:
> > > > > U.S. Treasuries
> > > > > Municipal bonds
> > > > > Corporate bonds"
> > > > >
> > > > > A T-bill, savings bond, etc. is a debt instrument. Since it is sold in the market place, it is a debt security instrument. The US is the debtor, and the bond-holder is an unsecured creditor. If you tore up the bond, then you would be forgiving debt. Tear up your bonds! Forgive the U.S,!
> > > > >
> > > > > No matter what you may think or hope, owning bonds is called "holding debt." https://www.factcheck.org/2013/11/who-holds-our-debt/
> > > > In what world do YOU live in? Any bond you buy you are NOT assuming a debt but making someone ELSE a Debtor to you. Please explain to me this "if you tore up a bond" part? In what universe do you do this? Exactly how much of your investments have been forgiving other people their debts to you?
> > > Dear even dopier, you're chasing your tail. Yes, a bond is a debt owed by the bond issuer, and that is why it is called a debt instrument. In the hands of the creditor -- the bondholder -- it is still called a debt. As a bondholder, you own or hold the debt of the bond issuer. The Chinese own US debt. Did you not read the links I sent (rhetorical question). You need to learn terminology. Read this: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bondholder.asp Well, you won't read that because you don't read any of my links, so I'll cut and paste. Read carefully and slowly:
> > >
> > > "What Is a Bondholder?
> > > A bondholder is an investor or the owner of debt securities that are typically issued by corporations and governments. Bondholders are essentially lending money to the bond issuers. In return, bond investors receive their principal—initial investment—back when the bonds mature. For most bonds, the bondholder also receives periodic interest payments."
> > >
> > > This should be old news to a god of Wall Street like you.
> > I understand that you like to argue no matter what an ass you look like but:
> >
> > "A bondholder is an investor who acquires bonds issued by an entity such as a corporation or government body.
> > Bondholders essentially become creditors to the issuer, and so bondholders enjoy certain protections and priority over stock (equity) holders.
> > The holders of bonds receive their initial principal back when the bonds mature in addition to periodic interest (coupon) payments for most bonds.
> > Bondholders may additionally profit if the particular bonds that they own increase in value, which can then be sold on the secondary market."
> >
> > At what time do I assume a debt of the issuing body and they not now accumulate an even larger debt by issuing me these bonds? They take MY money to pay off their own debts and in so doing own MORE money to me. Too bad this is so difficult for a lawyer to understand. I suppose the only financial training you ever got was to hold out your hand for your own payments from anyone stupid enough to take you on as a representative.
> >
> > AT NO TIME do I assume the debt of the government by buying government bonds. If you were indeed the lawyer you portray yourself you would know that that IS PART OF THE BOND GUARANTEE.
> >
> > So perhaps you would like to tell me why you don't know this? Not that I have any government bonds which would be stupid to hold, but I am invested in bond funds that own most of the major companies in the world and exactly how attractive would bonds be if you became automatically responsible for all their debts?
> Check your investments. At your age, any reasonable investment manager would have you in a mix of government and corporate bonds. And, BTW, as a SS welfare slag, you are living off government bond repayment. Look who owns most of the US debt: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-who-owns-a-record-2121-trillion-of-us-debt-2018-08-21 The SS trust fund and various federal pensions own one-third of the federal debt.
>
> And why are you arguing about this? I'm talking about a phrase, "to hold debt" or "own debt," and you keep going on about debtor creditor relationships. I get it, but you need to agree that China holds or owns US debt by virtue of its ownership of US debt security instruments -- T-bills. That's what this is all about -- the phrase "to hold or own a debt." China holds US debt. This is not debatable.

On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 11:54:44 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 17:36:38 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
> > On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:29:57 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:52:53 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
> >> > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:45:58 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:13:59 +0700, John B. scribed:
> >> >> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >>Why are we allowing this destruction of our economy when the ONLY
> >> >> >>one that profits from this is the Chinese?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Gee Tommy, China exported some $451.7 billion worth of goods to
> >> >> > the U.S.
> >> >> > in 2019 and expects exports to be 20% higher in 2021. Do you
> >> >> > really believe that China wants to destroy the U.S. economy and
> >> >> > lose all that business?
> >> >> Gee, how can you expect silly little tommy to understand that when
> >> >> he can not, as he repeatedly tells us, sell his second hand bicycles
> >> >> on Craigslist?
> >>
> >> > You and John really should get together, I can tell two queers
> >> > wanting to be lovers from a mile away. Tell us all - what do you know
> >> > about Soy Bean Farmers? Did it for one second ever cross your mind
> >> > that if you actually KNEW about these things that you would know that
> >> > there were 100 US markets for them to exploit instead of assisting
> >> > China grow stronger?
> >> > Tell us what you know about Soy Bean Oil? Tell us what you know about
> >> > plastics derived from Soy Bean solids?
> >> >
> >> > I can hardly wait for you to demonstrate yet more of your ignorance
> >> > of the world around you.
> >> Well, I'm really surprised that you haven't used your great knowledge
> >> about soy beans to help US farmers in these matters. This would help
> >> your government from having to prop up sale to the chinese pig market.
> >>
> >> Are you expecting points for your usual insult, divert and irrelevant
> >> reply.
> >>
> >> P.S what level of report are you prepared to pay for? I didn't retire
> >> 17 years early by giving this sort of information away.
> > You haven't answered my question
> I'm following your lead.
> > What soy bean farmers do you know?
> The usual soy bean farmers.
> > Or are you taking the reporting of the Lame Stream Media
> > anti-Trumpers for
> > granted because that is what you wish to believe?
> Rural Press, but I think it is a Murdoch publication.

i love it when you show that you know nothing about a subject but will argue it anyway. The fool's word is always present.

On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 07:34:13 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:

> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 11:54:44 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 17:36:38 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
>> > On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:29:57 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:52:53 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
>> >> > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:45:58 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:13:59 +0700, John B. scribed:
>> >> >> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Why are we allowing this destruction of our economy when the
>> >> >> >>ONLY one that profits from this is the Chinese?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Gee Tommy, China exported some $451.7 billion worth of goods to
>> >> >> > the U.S.
>> >> >> > in 2019 and expects exports to be 20% higher in 2021. Do you
>> >> >> > really believe that China wants to destroy the U.S. economy and
>> >> >> > lose all that business?
>> >> >> Gee, how can you expect silly little tommy to understand that
>> >> >> when he can not, as he repeatedly tells us, sell his second hand
>> >> >> bicycles on Craigslist?
>> >>
>> >> > You and John really should get together, I can tell two queers
>> >> > wanting to be lovers from a mile away. Tell us all - what do you
>> >> > know about Soy Bean Farmers? Did it for one second ever cross your
>> >> > mind that if you actually KNEW about these things that you would
>> >> > know that there were 100 US markets for them to exploit instead of
>> >> > assisting China grow stronger?
>> >> > Tell us what you know about Soy Bean Oil? Tell us what you know
>> >> > about plastics derived from Soy Bean solids?
>> >> >
>> >> > I can hardly wait for you to demonstrate yet more of your
>> >> > ignorance of the world around you.
>> >> Well, I'm really surprised that you haven't used your great
>> >> knowledge about soy beans to help US farmers in these matters. This
>> >> would help your government from having to prop up sale to the
>> >> chinese pig market.
>> >>
>> >> Are you expecting points for your usual insult, divert and
>> >> irrelevant reply.
>> >>
>> >> P.S what level of report are you prepared to pay for? I didn't
>> >> retire 17 years early by giving this sort of information away.
>> > You haven't answered my question
>> I'm following your lead.
>> > What soy bean farmers do you know?
>> The usual soy bean farmers.
>> > Or are you taking the reporting of the Lame Stream Media
>> > anti-Trumpers for granted because that is what you wish to believe?
>> Rural Press, but I think it is a Murdoch publication.
>
>
> i love it when you show that you know nothing about a subject but will
> argue it anyway. The fool's word is always present.

Yawn, cheapskate. You could have had a comprehensive report on it.

On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 7:36:40 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:29:57 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:52:53 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
> > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:45:58 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:13:59 +0700, John B. scribed:
> > >> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > >> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >>Why are we allowing this destruction of our economy when the ONLY one
> > >> >>that profits from this is the Chinese?
> > >> >
> > >> > Gee Tommy, China exported some $451.7 billion worth of goods to the
> > >> > U.S.
> > >> > in 2019 and expects exports to be 20% higher in 2021. Do you really
> > >> > believe that China wants to destroy the U.S. economy and lose all
> > >> > that business?
> > >> Gee, how can you expect silly little tommy to understand that when he
> > >> can not, as he repeatedly tells us, sell his second hand bicycles on
> > >> Craigslist?
> >
> > > You and John really should get together, I can tell two queers wanting
> > > to be lovers from a mile away. Tell us all - what do you know about Soy
> > > Bean Farmers? Did it for one second ever cross your mind that if you
> > > actually KNEW about these things that you would know that there were 100
> > > US markets for them to exploit instead of assisting China grow stronger?
> > > Tell us what you know about Soy Bean Oil? Tell us what you know about
> > > plastics derived from Soy Bean solids?
> > >
> > > I can hardly wait for you to demonstrate yet more of your ignorance of
> > > the world around you.
> > Well, I'm really surprised that you haven't used your great knowledge
> > about soy beans to help US farmers in these matters. This would help your
> > government from having to prop up sale to the chinese pig market.
> >
> > Are you expecting points for your usual insult, divert and irrelevant
> > reply.
> >
> > P.S what level of report are you prepared to pay for? I didn't retire 17
> > years early by giving this sort of information away.
> You haven't answered my question: What soy bean farmers do you know? Or are you taking the reporting of the Lame Stream Media anti-Trumpers for granted because that is what you wish to believe?

My Mom owns land that has soybeans planted on it right now. My brother was planting soybeans a few months ago on some of the land. Some of my Mom's land is rented out, share cropped, to other farmers who plant soybeans on the land. My Mom also has land with field corn on it too.

On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 7:58:49 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:45:58 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:13:59 +0700, John B. scribed:
> >> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>Why are we allowing this destruction of our economy when the ONLY one
> >> >>that profits from this is the Chinese?
> >> >
> >> > Gee Tommy, China exported some $451.7 billion worth of goods to the U.S.
> >> > in 2019 and expects exports to be 20% higher in 2021. Do you really
> >> > believe that China wants to destroy the U.S. economy and lose all that
> >> > business?
> >> Gee, how can you expect silly little tommy to understand that when he can
> >> not, as he repeatedly tells us, sell his second hand bicycles on
> >> Craigslist?
>
>
> >You and John really should get together, I can tell two queers wanting to be lovers from a mile away. Tell us all - what do you know about Soy Bean Farmers? Did it for one second ever cross your mind that if you actually KNEW about these things that you would know that there were 100 US markets for them to exploit instead of assisting China grow stronger? Tell us what you know about Soy Bean Oil? Tell us what you know about plastics derived from Soy Bean solids?
> Soybean farmers? Well one of my wife's younger brothers has what
> appear to be a square kilometer, or so of soy beans. Perhaps I could
> ask him. And my wife buys soy bean oil to cook with so I'll ask her
> too.
>
> But more to the point, when China raised the import duty on soybean
> products the U.S. farmers started bitching and did so, so loudly that
> the U.S. government gave then something like twelve million dollars.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

"the U.S. government gave then something like twelve million dollars."
Twelve MILLION dollars? Millions are rounding errors. I'm sure you meant BILLIONS. But twelve is way too low. Trump was trying to buy more votes than that.

https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps/2021-farm-subsidies-ballooned-under-trump/
EWG’s analysis of records from the Department of Agriculture finds that subsidy payments to farmers ballooned from just over $4 billion in 2017 to more than $20 billion in 2020 – driven largely by ad hoc programs meant to offset the effects of President Trump’s failed trade war.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/donald-trump-coronavirus-farmer-bailouts-359932
‘Here’s your check’: Trump’s massive payouts to farmers will be hard to pull back
The president was already spending double his predecessor to spare farmers the cost of his trade war. Now the price is reaching unsustainable levels.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/12/31/790261705/farmers-got-billions-from-taxpayers-in-2019-and-hardly-anyone-objected
In 2019, the federal government delivered an extraordinary financial aid package to America's farmers. Farm subsidies jumped to their highest level in 14 years, most of them paid out without any action by Congress.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/us/politics/trump-farmers-subsidies.html
Oct 12, 2020 — Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump's rural base in ...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-24/largest-farms-share-of-subsidies-grew-under-trump-bailouts
The Trump administration’s farm bailouts steered an expanding share of subsidy payments to the nation’s biggest farms, according to an analysis by an environmental advocacy group that highlights issues of equity as the Biden administration designs potential new climate-related financial incentives for farmers.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-farmers-aid-idINKBN2741D4
U.S. President Donald Trump is assuring a bumper year for farmers as the Nov. 3 election approaches, with record government subsidies projected to make up more than a third of farm income in 2020.

https://missouriindependent.com/2021/02/26/environment-group-trumps-final-year-in-office-saw-spike-in-farm-subsidies/
President Trump’s administration spent $20 billion on farm subsidies in its last year, four times the level at the beginning of his term, the nonprofit Environmental Working Group reported Wednesday.
Much of that aid went to the largest farms, the group said.

https://fortune.com/2020/10/23/trump-debate-china-farm-subsidies-pays/
Trump claims at debate that China is paying for farm subsidies. In fact, U.S. taxpayers are footing the bill

https://www.startribune.com/government-aid-to-farmers-soars-and-they-don-t-feel-right-about-it/572927111/
But this year, farmers have received more federal money than ever: more than $40 billion.
Such assistance to farmers has risen throughout the presidency of Donald Trump, shaped mainly as compensation for sales to China farmers lost after that country retaliated in a trade war begun by the U.S. in 2018. Last year, farmers received $30 billion from the government. Trump approved more aid this year because of the pandemic, helping drive farm income to the highest level since 2013.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/trump-farmer-bailout-legacy-trade-135241986..html
Trump's massive farmer bailout failed to make up for the 'self-inflicted' trade damage

On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 17:01:23 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 7:58:49 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:45:58 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:13:59 +0700, John B. scribed:
>> >> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>Why are we allowing this destruction of our economy when the ONLY one
>> >> >>that profits from this is the Chinese?
>> >> >
>> >> > Gee Tommy, China exported some $451.7 billion worth of goods to the U.S.
>> >> > in 2019 and expects exports to be 20% higher in 2021. Do you really
>> >> > believe that China wants to destroy the U.S. economy and lose all that
>> >> > business?
>> >> Gee, how can you expect silly little tommy to understand that when he can
>> >> not, as he repeatedly tells us, sell his second hand bicycles on
>> >> Craigslist?
>>
>>
>> >You and John really should get together, I can tell two queers wanting to be lovers from a mile away. Tell us all - what do you know about Soy Bean Farmers? Did it for one second ever cross your mind that if you actually KNEW about these things that you would know that there were 100 US markets for them to exploit instead of assisting China grow stronger? Tell us what you know about Soy Bean Oil? Tell us what you know about plastics derived from Soy Bean solids?
>> Soybean farmers? Well one of my wife's younger brothers has what
>> appear to be a square kilometer, or so of soy beans. Perhaps I could
>> ask him. And my wife buys soy bean oil to cook with so I'll ask her
>> too.
>>
>> But more to the point, when China raised the import duty on soybean
>> products the U.S. farmers started bitching and did so, so loudly that
>> the U.S. government gave then something like twelve million dollars.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>"the U.S. government gave then something like twelve million dollars."
>Twelve MILLION dollars? Millions are rounding errors. I'm sure you meant BILLIONS. But twelve is way too low. Trump was trying to buy more votes than that.
>
>https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps/2021-farm-subsidies-ballooned-under-trump/
>EWG’s analysis of records from the Department of Agriculture finds that subsidy payments to farmers ballooned from just over $4 billion in 2017 to more than $20 billion in 2020 – driven largely by ad hoc programs meant to offset the effects of President Trump’s failed trade war.
>
>https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/donald-trump-coronavirus-farmer-bailouts-359932
>‘Here’s your check’: Trump’s massive payouts to farmers will be hard to pull back
>The president was already spending double his predecessor to spare farmers the cost of his trade war. Now the price is reaching unsustainable levels.
>
>https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/12/31/790261705/farmers-got-billions-from-taxpayers-in-2019-and-hardly-anyone-objected
>In 2019, the federal government delivered an extraordinary financial aid package to America's farmers. Farm subsidies jumped to their highest level in 14 years, most of them paid out without any action by Congress.
>
>https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/us/politics/trump-farmers-subsidies.html
>Oct 12, 2020 — Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump's rural base in ...
>
>https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-24/largest-farms-share-of-subsidies-grew-under-trump-bailouts
>The Trump administration’s farm bailouts steered an expanding share of subsidy payments to the nation’s biggest farms, according to an analysis by an environmental advocacy group that highlights issues of equity as the Biden administration designs potential new climate-related financial incentives for farmers.
>
>https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-farmers-aid-idINKBN2741D4
>U.S. President Donald Trump is assuring a bumper year for farmers as the Nov. 3 election approaches, with record government subsidies projected to make up more than a third of farm income in 2020.
>
>https://missouriindependent.com/2021/02/26/environment-group-trumps-final-year-in-office-saw-spike-in-farm-subsidies/
>President Trump’s administration spent $20 billion on farm subsidies in its last year, four times the level at the beginning of his term, the nonprofit Environmental Working Group reported Wednesday.
>Much of that aid went to the largest farms, the group said.
>
>https://fortune.com/2020/10/23/trump-debate-china-farm-subsidies-pays/
>Trump claims at debate that China is paying for farm subsidies. In fact, U.S. taxpayers are footing the bill
>
>https://www.startribune.com/government-aid-to-farmers-soars-and-they-don-t-feel-right-about-it/572927111/
>But this year, farmers have received more federal money than ever: more than $40 billion.
>Such assistance to farmers has risen throughout the presidency of Donald Trump, shaped mainly as compensation for sales to China farmers lost after that country retaliated in a trade war begun by the U.S. in 2018. Last year, farmers received $30 billion from the government. Trump approved more aid this year because of the pandemic, helping drive farm income to the highest level since 2013.
>
>https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/trump-farmer-bailout-legacy-trade-135241986.html
>Trump's massive farmer bailout failed to make up for the 'self-inflicted' trade damage

Yes... but... (:-)

Way back, maybe in the very late 1940's my father and I visited a
fellow who was a "hunting buddy" of my father and perhaps the largest
potato farmer in the State. One of the reasons for visiting was that
the "buddy" had bought a sort of midget bulldozer, a tiny little
tracked tractor with a blade on the front and it wouldn't run and
"maybe the boy could take a look at it?" I had a bit of a reputation
for fixing mechanical things even then.

Any way, we went down to the field where the tractor was stalled and
there was this tremendous pile of potatoes. I swear, at least 100
yards of potatoes piled up. And all dyed purple.

Of course my father asked about all the purple potatoes and the potato
farmer sort of laughed and told my father that in order to maintain
the market cost of potatoes that "the government" was buying surplus
potatoes. All you had to do was pile up your surplus potatoes, spray
then with purple die and the "government man" would come by and verify
the quantity and you'd get paid.

Then, of course, you had to get rid of all those purple potatoes.

My father asked about what one does with tons of purple potatoes and
the farmer laughed and tells him that while you can't sell purple
potatoes to people that pigs will eat them so he's made a deal with
some hog farmers and it turns out that he's making more money from
purple potatoes then he ever did from "white" ones.

Oh yes, and I got the tractor running (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 7:51:44 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 17:01:23 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 7:58:49 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:52:53 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:45:58 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:13:59 +0700, John B. scribed:
> >> >> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >>Why are we allowing this destruction of our economy when the ONLY one
> >> >> >>that profits from this is the Chinese?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Gee Tommy, China exported some $451.7 billion worth of goods to the U.S.
> >> >> > in 2019 and expects exports to be 20% higher in 2021. Do you really
> >> >> > believe that China wants to destroy the U.S. economy and lose all that
> >> >> > business?
> >> >> Gee, how can you expect silly little tommy to understand that when he can
> >> >> not, as he repeatedly tells us, sell his second hand bicycles on
> >> >> Craigslist?
> >>
> >>
> >> >You and John really should get together, I can tell two queers wanting to be lovers from a mile away. Tell us all - what do you know about Soy Bean Farmers? Did it for one second ever cross your mind that if you actually KNEW about these things that you would know that there were 100 US markets for them to exploit instead of assisting China grow stronger? Tell us what you know about Soy Bean Oil? Tell us what you know about plastics derived from Soy Bean solids?
> >> Soybean farmers? Well one of my wife's younger brothers has what
> >> appear to be a square kilometer, or so of soy beans. Perhaps I could
> >> ask him. And my wife buys soy bean oil to cook with so I'll ask her
> >> too.
> >>
> >> But more to the point, when China raised the import duty on soybean
> >> products the U.S. farmers started bitching and did so, so loudly that
> >> the U.S. government gave then something like twelve million dollars.
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> John B.
> >
> >"the U.S. government gave then something like twelve million dollars."
> >Twelve MILLION dollars? Millions are rounding errors. I'm sure you meant BILLIONS. But twelve is way too low. Trump was trying to buy more votes than that.
> >
> >https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps/2021-farm-subsidies-ballooned-under-trump/
> >EWG’s analysis of records from the Department of Agriculture finds that subsidy payments to farmers ballooned from just over $4 billion in 2017 to more than $20 billion in 2020 – driven largely by ad hoc programs meant to offset the effects of President Trump’s failed trade war.
> >
> >https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/donald-trump-coronavirus-farmer-bailouts-359932
> >‘Here’s your check’: Trump’s massive payouts to farmers will be hard to pull back
> >The president was already spending double his predecessor to spare farmers the cost of his trade war. Now the price is reaching unsustainable levels.
> >
> >https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/12/31/790261705/farmers-got-billions-from-taxpayers-in-2019-and-hardly-anyone-objected
> >In 2019, the federal government delivered an extraordinary financial aid package to America's farmers. Farm subsidies jumped to their highest level in 14 years, most of them paid out without any action by Congress.
> >
> >https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/us/politics/trump-farmers-subsidies.html
> >Oct 12, 2020 — Federal payments to farmers are projected to hit a record $46 billion this year as the White House funnels money to Mr. Trump's rural base in ...
> >
> >https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-24/largest-farms-share-of-subsidies-grew-under-trump-bailouts
> >The Trump administration’s farm bailouts steered an expanding share of subsidy payments to the nation’s biggest farms, according to an analysis by an environmental advocacy group that highlights issues of equity as the Biden administration designs potential new climate-related financial incentives for farmers.
> >
> >https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-farmers-aid-idINKBN2741D4
> >U.S. President Donald Trump is assuring a bumper year for farmers as the Nov. 3 election approaches, with record government subsidies projected to make up more than a third of farm income in 2020.
> >
> >https://missouriindependent.com/2021/02/26/environment-group-trumps-final-year-in-office-saw-spike-in-farm-subsidies/
> >President Trump’s administration spent $20 billion on farm subsidies in its last year, four times the level at the beginning of his term, the nonprofit Environmental Working Group reported Wednesday.
> >Much of that aid went to the largest farms, the group said.
> >
> >https://fortune.com/2020/10/23/trump-debate-china-farm-subsidies-pays/
> >Trump claims at debate that China is paying for farm subsidies. In fact, U.S. taxpayers are footing the bill
> >
> >https://www.startribune.com/government-aid-to-farmers-soars-and-they-don-t-feel-right-about-it/572927111/
> >But this year, farmers have received more federal money than ever: more than $40 billion.
> >Such assistance to farmers has risen throughout the presidency of Donald Trump, shaped mainly as compensation for sales to China farmers lost after that country retaliated in a trade war begun by the U.S. in 2018. Last year, farmers received $30 billion from the government. Trump approved more aid this year because of the pandemic, helping drive farm income to the highest level since 2013.
> >
> >https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/trump-farmer-bailout-legacy-trade-135241986.html
> >Trump's massive farmer bailout failed to make up for the 'self-inflicted' trade damage
> Yes... but... (:-)
>
> Way back, maybe in the very late 1940's my father and I visited a
> fellow who was a "hunting buddy" of my father and perhaps the largest
> potato farmer in the State. One of the reasons for visiting was that
> the "buddy" had bought a sort of midget bulldozer, a tiny little
> tracked tractor with a blade on the front and it wouldn't run and
> "maybe the boy could take a look at it?" I had a bit of a reputation
> for fixing mechanical things even then.
>
> Any way, we went down to the field where the tractor was stalled and
> there was this tremendous pile of potatoes. I swear, at least 100
> yards of potatoes piled up. And all dyed purple.
>
> Of course my father asked about all the purple potatoes and the potato
> farmer sort of laughed and told my father that in order to maintain
> the market cost of potatoes that "the government" was buying surplus
> potatoes. All you had to do was pile up your surplus potatoes, spray
> then with purple die and the "government man" would come by and verify
> the quantity and you'd get paid.
>
> Then, of course, you had to get rid of all those purple potatoes.
>
> My father asked about what one does with tons of purple potatoes and
> the farmer laughed and tells him that while you can't sell purple
> potatoes to people that pigs will eat them so he's made a deal with
> some hog farmers and it turns out that he's making more money from
> purple potatoes then he ever did from "white" ones.
>
> Oh yes, and I got the tractor running (:-)
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

Good to hear that purple potatoes were selling for more than the unpainted potatoes. But if purple potatoes were worthless for sale, being the conniving person I am, I would have taken the purple potatoes off the top of the pile and tossed them into the field for fertilizer. And then sold all the unpainted potatoes underneath in the pile for money. You did mention "piles" of potatoes. Not a flat sheet, layer of potatoes. With a pile one could assume correctly that a whole bunch of potatoes underneath the top layer were unpainted and good as new. Sellable!

On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 4:39:58 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 7:36:40 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:29:57 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
> > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:52:53 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
> > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:45:58 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
> > > >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:13:59 +0700, John B. scribed:
> > > >> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > > >> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> >>Why are we allowing this destruction of our economy when the ONLY one
> > > >> >>that profits from this is the Chinese?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Gee Tommy, China exported some $451.7 billion worth of goods to the
> > > >> > U.S.
> > > >> > in 2019 and expects exports to be 20% higher in 2021. Do you really
> > > >> > believe that China wants to destroy the U.S. economy and lose all
> > > >> > that business?
> > > >> Gee, how can you expect silly little tommy to understand that when he
> > > >> can not, as he repeatedly tells us, sell his second hand bicycles on
> > > >> Craigslist?
> > >
> > > > You and John really should get together, I can tell two queers wanting
> > > > to be lovers from a mile away. Tell us all - what do you know about Soy
> > > > Bean Farmers? Did it for one second ever cross your mind that if you
> > > > actually KNEW about these things that you would know that there were 100
> > > > US markets for them to exploit instead of assisting China grow stronger?
> > > > Tell us what you know about Soy Bean Oil? Tell us what you know about
> > > > plastics derived from Soy Bean solids?
> > > >
> > > > I can hardly wait for you to demonstrate yet more of your ignorance of
> > > > the world around you.
> > > Well, I'm really surprised that you haven't used your great knowledge
> > > about soy beans to help US farmers in these matters. This would help your
> > > government from having to prop up sale to the chinese pig market.
> > >
> > > Are you expecting points for your usual insult, divert and irrelevant
> > > reply.
> > >
> > > P.S what level of report are you prepared to pay for? I didn't retire 17
> > > years early by giving this sort of information away.
> > You haven't answered my question: What soy bean farmers do you know? Or are you taking the reporting of the Lame Stream Media anti-Trumpers for granted because that is what you wish to believe?
> My Mom owns land that has soybeans planted on it right now. My brother was planting soybeans a few months ago on some of the land. Some of my Mom's land is rented out, share cropped, to other farmers who plant soybeans on the land. My Mom also has land with field corn on it too.
People are lining up to believe anything you say. See the line??

On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 08:12:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 13, 2021 at 4:39:58 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 7:36:40 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 5:29:57 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
>> > > On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:52:53 -0700, Tom Kunich scribed:
>> > > > On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:45:58 PM UTC-7, News 2021 wrote:
>> > > >> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:13:59 +0700, John B. scribed:
>> > > >> > On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:48:28 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> > > >> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> >>Why are we allowing this destruction of our economy when the ONLY one
>> > > >> >>that profits from this is the Chinese?
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Gee Tommy, China exported some $451.7 billion worth of goods to the
>> > > >> > U.S.
>> > > >> > in 2019 and expects exports to be 20% higher in 2021. Do you really
>> > > >> > believe that China wants to destroy the U.S. economy and lose all
>> > > >> > that business?
>> > > >> Gee, how can you expect silly little tommy to understand that when he
>> > > >> can not, as he repeatedly tells us, sell his second hand bicycles on
>> > > >> Craigslist?
>> > >
>> > > > You and John really should get together, I can tell two queers wanting
>> > > > to be lovers from a mile away. Tell us all - what do you know about Soy
>> > > > Bean Farmers? Did it for one second ever cross your mind that if you
>> > > > actually KNEW about these things that you would know that there were 100
>> > > > US markets for them to exploit instead of assisting China grow stronger?
>> > > > Tell us what you know about Soy Bean Oil? Tell us what you know about
>> > > > plastics derived from Soy Bean solids?
>> > > >
>> > > > I can hardly wait for you to demonstrate yet more of your ignorance of
>> > > > the world around you.
>> > > Well, I'm really surprised that you haven't used your great knowledge
>> > > about soy beans to help US farmers in these matters. This would help your
>> > > government from having to prop up sale to the chinese pig market.
>> > >
>> > > Are you expecting points for your usual insult, divert and irrelevant
>> > > reply.
>> > >
>> > > P.S what level of report are you prepared to pay for? I didn't retire 17
>> > > years early by giving this sort of information away.
>> > You haven't answered my question: What soy bean farmers do you know? Or are you taking the reporting of the Lame Stream Media anti-Trumpers for granted because that is what you wish to believe?
>> My Mom owns land that has soybeans planted on it right now. My brother was planting soybeans a few months ago on some of the land. Some of my Mom's land is rented out, share cropped, to other farmers who plant soybeans on the land. My Mom also has land with field corn on it too.
>People are lining up to believe anything you say. See the line??

Ah Tommy, how quickly you forget.

You wrote "You haven't answered my question: What soy bean farmers do
you know?"

And the guy replied that his mother farmed soybeans.

And you change the subject?
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Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 07:58:41 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Soybean farmers?

Here in northern Indiana, we have beans to burn. I kid you not, drive
south on SR 15 (which we used to do frequently when we and my nephews
were younger) and pretty soon you come to a billboard saying "BURN THE
BEAN!" and a stretch of road that has an extra lane for semi-trucks to
line up in for the turn into the bean-burning plant.

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Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Thursday, October 14, 2021 at 7:39:19 PM UTC-7, Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2021 07:58:41 +0700, John B. <sloc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Soybean farmers?
>
> Here in northern Indiana, we have beans to burn. I kid you not, drive
> south on SR 15 (which we used to do frequently when we and my nephews
> were younger) and pretty soon you come to a billboard saying "BURN THE
> BEAN!" and a stretch of road that has an extra lane for semi-trucks to
> line up in for the turn into the bean-burning plant.

So rather than developing a US use for the soy beans it is far easier to sell them to China and make them stronger. Soybeans are good for everything from none petroleum fuel to plastic. So burn the bean.