Man forced to ditch $115K Ford EV truck during family road trip to Chicago:
'biggest scam of modern times'

By Bradford Betz | FOXBusiness
Published August 10, 2023 7:41pm EDT

A Canadian man is calling electric vehicles the "biggest scam of modern
times" after his frustrating experience with an electric truck.

Dalbir Bala, who lives in the Winnipeg area, bought a Ford F150 Lightning EV
in January for $115,000, plus tax. He told FOX Business he needed the
vehicle for his work, but also wanted something suitable for recreational
activities such as driving to his cabin or going fishing. He also wanted an
environmentally friendly vehicle as owning one is "responsible citizenship
these days."

But Bala was quickly hit with the reality of owning and operating an EV soon
after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two charges - one
at work and one at home - for $10,000. To accommodate the charger, he had to
upgrade his home's electric panel for $6,000.

In all, Bala spent more than $130,000 - plus tax.

Not long after the purchase, Bala got into a minor accident which, he said,
required "light assembly" on the front bumper. Bala took the vehicle to the
body shop and did not get it back for six months. He said no one from Ford
answered his email or phone calls for help.

The limitations of the EV truck became even more apparent when Bala embarked
on a chaotic 1,400-mile road trip to Chicago.

Fast charging stations - which only charge EV's up to 90% - cost more than
gas for the same mileage. On the family's first stop in Fargo, North Dakota,
it took two hours and $56 to charge his vehicle from 10% to 90%. The charge
was good for another 215 miles.

On the second stop, in Albertville, Minnesota, the free charger was faulty
and the phone number on the charging station was of no help, he said. The
family drove to another charging station in Elk River, Minnesota, but the
charger was faulty there as well.

"This sheer helplessness was mind-boggling," Bala wrote in an online post.
"My kids and wife were really worried and stressed at this point."

There were no other fast charging stations within range of Elk River and his
vehicle only had 12 miles left.

"By now it was late afternoon. We were really stuck, hungry, and
heartbroken," Bala said.

Bala ultimately had the vehicle towed to a Ford dealership in Elk River and
rented a regular gas vehicle to complete the family's trip to Chicago. The
family picked up the F150 on their way back to Winnipeg.

"It was in [the] shop for 6 months. I can't take it to my lake cabin. I
cannot take it for off-grid camping. I cannot take for even a road trip,"
Bala wrote. "I can only drive in city - biggest scam of modern times."

Bala told FOX Business he believes the government needs to do more to
"provide consumers with the right information."

"People have to make the right choices. I want to tell everybody to read my
story," he said. "Do your research before even thinking about it and make a
wiser choice."

"The actual thing they promised is not even close. Not even 50%. And once
you buy it, you're stuck with it and you have to carry huge losses to get
rid of that. And nobody is there to help you."

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-truck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times

Voice of REASON <reason@anon.net> wrote in
news:ub42hm$1hj7a$1@news.mixmin.net:

> Man forced to ditch $115K Ford EV truck during family road trip to
> Chicago: 'biggest scam of modern times'
>
> By Bradford Betz | FOXBusiness
> Published August 10, 2023 7:41pm EDT
>
> A Canadian man is calling electric vehicles the "biggest scam of
> modern times" after his frustrating experience with an electric truck.
>
> Dalbir Bala, who lives in the Winnipeg area, bought a Ford F150
> Lightning EV in January for $115,000, plus tax. He told FOX Business
> he needed the vehicle for his work, but also wanted something suitable
> for recreational activities such as driving to his cabin or going
> fishing. He also wanted an environmentally friendly vehicle as owning
> one is "responsible citizenship these days."
>
> But Bala was quickly hit with the reality of owning and operating an
> EV soon after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two
> charges - one at work and one at home - for $10,000. To accommodate
> the charger, he had to upgrade his home's electric panel for $6,000.
>
> In all, Bala spent more than $130,000 - plus tax.
>
> Not long after the purchase, Bala got into a minor accident which, he
> said, required "light assembly" on the front bumper. Bala took the
> vehicle to the body shop and did not get it back for six months. He
> said no one from Ford answered his email or phone calls for help.
>
> The limitations of the EV truck became even more apparent when Bala
> embarked on a chaotic 1,400-mile road trip to Chicago.
>
> Fast charging stations - which only charge EV's up to 90% - cost more
> than gas for the same mileage. On the family's first stop in Fargo,
> North Dakota, it took two hours and $56 to charge his vehicle from 10%
> to 90%. The charge was good for another 215 miles.
>
> On the second stop, in Albertville, Minnesota, the free charger was
> faulty and the phone number on the charging station was of no help, he
> said. The family drove to another charging station in Elk River,
> Minnesota, but the charger was faulty there as well.
>
> "This sheer helplessness was mind-boggling," Bala wrote in an online
> post. "My kids and wife were really worried and stressed at this
> point."
>
> There were no other fast charging stations within range of Elk River
> and his vehicle only had 12 miles left.
>
> "By now it was late afternoon. We were really stuck, hungry, and
> heartbroken," Bala said.
>
> Bala ultimately had the vehicle towed to a Ford dealership in Elk
> River and rented a regular gas vehicle to complete the family's trip
> to Chicago. The family picked up the F150 on their way back to
> Winnipeg.
>
> "It was in [the] shop for 6 months. I can't take it to my lake cabin.
> I cannot take it for off-grid camping. I cannot take for even a road
> trip," Bala wrote. "I can only drive in city - biggest scam of modern
> times."
>
> Bala told FOX Business he believes the government needs to do more to
> "provide consumers with the right information."
>
> "People have to make the right choices. I want to tell everybody to
> read my story," he said. "Do your research before even thinking about
> it and make a wiser choice."
>
> "The actual thing they promised is not even close. Not even 50%. And
> once you buy it, you're stuck with it and you have to carry huge
> losses to get rid of that. And nobody is there to help you."
>
> https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-tr
> uck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times

I have a trendy neighbor who bought a Ford F150 EV for work. He's not too
happy with it. He is a general contractor and sometimes runs bags of
sand, rock, cement to project sites. His biggest complaint is the lack of
guts getting up hills loaded, and he's on his second set of brakes from
the extra vehicle weight.

"Roman" <none@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:ub474c$294$1@toxic.dizum.net...
> Voice of REASON <reason@anon.net> wrote in
> news:ub42hm$1hj7a$1@news.mixmin.net:
>
>> Man forced to ditch $115K Ford EV truck during family road trip to
>> Chicago: 'biggest scam of modern times'
>>
>> By Bradford Betz | FOXBusiness
>> Published August 10, 2023 7:41pm EDT
>>
>> A Canadian man is calling electric vehicles the "biggest scam of
>> modern times" after his frustrating experience with an electric truck.
>>
>> Dalbir Bala, who lives in the Winnipeg area, bought a Ford F150
>> Lightning EV in January for $115,000, plus tax. He told FOX Business
>> he needed the vehicle for his work, but also wanted something suitable
>> for recreational activities such as driving to his cabin or going
>> fishing. He also wanted an environmentally friendly vehicle as owning
>> one is "responsible citizenship these days."
>>
>> But Bala was quickly hit with the reality of owning and operating an
>> EV soon after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two
>> charges - one at work and one at home - for $10,000. To accommodate
>> the charger, he had to upgrade his home's electric panel for $6,000.
>>
>> In all, Bala spent more than $130,000 - plus tax.
>>
>> Not long after the purchase, Bala got into a minor accident which, he
>> said, required "light assembly" on the front bumper. Bala took the
>> vehicle to the body shop and did not get it back for six months. He
>> said no one from Ford answered his email or phone calls for help.
>>
>> The limitations of the EV truck became even more apparent when Bala
>> embarked on a chaotic 1,400-mile road trip to Chicago.
>>
>> Fast charging stations - which only charge EV's up to 90% - cost more
>> than gas for the same mileage. On the family's first stop in Fargo,
>> North Dakota, it took two hours and $56 to charge his vehicle from 10%
>> to 90%. The charge was good for another 215 miles.
>>
>> On the second stop, in Albertville, Minnesota, the free charger was
>> faulty and the phone number on the charging station was of no help, he
>> said. The family drove to another charging station in Elk River,
>> Minnesota, but the charger was faulty there as well.
>>
>> "This sheer helplessness was mind-boggling," Bala wrote in an online
>> post. "My kids and wife were really worried and stressed at this
>> point."
>>
>> There were no other fast charging stations within range of Elk River
>> and his vehicle only had 12 miles left.
>>
>> "By now it was late afternoon. We were really stuck, hungry, and
>> heartbroken," Bala said.
>>
>> Bala ultimately had the vehicle towed to a Ford dealership in Elk
>> River and rented a regular gas vehicle to complete the family's trip
>> to Chicago. The family picked up the F150 on their way back to
>> Winnipeg.
>>
>> "It was in [the] shop for 6 months. I can't take it to my lake cabin.
>> I cannot take it for off-grid camping. I cannot take for even a road
>> trip," Bala wrote. "I can only drive in city - biggest scam of modern
>> times."
>>
>> Bala told FOX Business he believes the government needs to do more to
>> "provide consumers with the right information."
>>
>> "People have to make the right choices. I want to tell everybody to
>> read my story," he said. "Do your research before even thinking about
>> it and make a wiser choice."
>>
>> "The actual thing they promised is not even close. Not even 50%. And
>> once you buy it, you're stuck with it and you have to carry huge
>> losses to get rid of that. And nobody is there to help you."
>>
>> https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/man-forced-ditch-115k-ford-ev-tr
>> uck-family-road-trip-chicago-biggest-scam-modern-times
>
> I have a trendy neighbor who bought a Ford F150 EV for work. He's not too
> happy with it. He is a general contractor and sometimes runs bags of
> sand, rock, cement to project sites. His biggest complaint is the lack of
> guts getting up hills loaded, and he's on his second set of brakes from
> the extra vehicle weight.

Not surprising... given unloaded he's probably has more weight than the ICE
pickup does fully loaded.

On 8/10/2023 8:22 PM, Voice of REASON wrote:
> By Bradford Betz | FOXBusiness

This lets you know the article is bullshit.

> after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two charges - one
> at work and one at home - for $10,000. To accommodate the charger, he had to
> upgrade his home's electric panel for $6,000.

You can buy a fast charger on Amazon for $200 that will let you set the
charge rate to match your panel.

https://www.amazon.com/GODIAG-14-50-Level-Charger-Portable/dp/B0C2CB6VMK

On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 02:41:16 -0000 (UTC), Roman <none@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>I have a trendy neighbor who bought a Ford F150 EV for work. He's not too
>happy with it. He is a general contractor and sometimes runs bags of
>sand, rock, cement to project sites. His biggest complaint is the lack of
>guts getting up hills loaded, and he's on his second set of brakes from
>the extra vehicle weight.

A six cylinder truck will have the same problem.

A rancher's Rivian truck first 10,000 mile review of it. He has some problems with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr5x62MyAUg

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On 8/11/2023 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
> On 8/10/2023 8:22 PM, Voice of REASON wrote:
>> By Bradford Betz | FOXBusiness
>
> This lets you know the article is bullshit.
>
>> after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two charges - one
>> at work and one at home - for $10,000. To accommodate the charger, he had to
>> upgrade his home's electric panel for $6,000.
>
> You can buy a fast charger on Amazon for $200 that will let you set the
> charge rate to match your panel.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/GODIAG-14-50-Level-Charger-Portable/dp/B0C2CB6VMK
>

It does no good to present evidence to rebut rage. It will always be
ignored or explained away.

[Default] Voice of REASON <reason@anon.net> typed:

>Man forced to ditch $115K Ford EV truck during family road trip to Chicago:
>'biggest scam of modern times'

You're a fucking idiot if you buy an electric vehicle to make long
trips in. Period.

It's the equivalent of driving across country in 1915.

They're good for driving in town and short commutes.

>Bala told FOX Business he believes the government needs to do more to
>"provide consumers with the right information."

No, you stupid fuck. You need to read and understand the information
that is provided. Quit asking the government to hold your hand.

On 8/15/2023 8:20 AM, Bodger wrote:
> On 8/11/2023 10:44 AM, Unum wrote:
>> On 8/10/2023 8:22 PM, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>> By Bradford Betz | FOXBusiness
>>
>> This lets you know the article is bullshit.
>>
>>> after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two charges - one
>>> at work and one at home - for $10,000. To accommodate the charger, he had to
>>> upgrade his home's electric panel for $6,000.
>>
>> You can buy a fast charger on Amazon for $200 that will let you set the
>> charge rate to match your panel.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/GODIAG-14-50-Level-Charger-Portable/dp/B0C2CB6VMK
>>
>
> It does no good to present evidence to rebut rage. It will always be ignored
> or explained away.

It was deliberate misinformation from an obvious liar. Merely pointing
that out.

Unum wrote:
> On 8/10/2023 8:22 PM, Voice of REASON wrote:
>> By Bradford Betz | FOXBusiness
>
> This lets you know the article is bullshit.
>
>> after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two charges - one
>> at work and one at home - for $10,000. To accommodate the charger, he had to
>> upgrade his home's electric panel for $6,000.
>
> You can buy a fast charger on Amazon for $200 that will let you set the
> charge rate to match your panel.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/GODIAG-14-50-Level-Charger-Portable/dp/B0C2CB6VMK
>

Cheap Chinese shit. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

On 8/15/2023 8:15 PM, Voice of REASON wrote:
> Unum wrote:
>> On 8/10/2023 8:22 PM, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>> By Bradford Betz | FOXBusiness
>>
>> This lets you know the article is bullshit.
>>
>>> after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two charges - one
>>> at work and one at home - for $10,000. To accommodate the charger, he had to
>>> upgrade his home's electric panel for $6,000.
>>
>> You can buy a fast charger on Amazon for $200 that will let you set the
>> charge rate to match your panel.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/GODIAG-14-50-Level-Charger-Portable/dp/B0C2CB6VMK
>>
>
> Cheap Chinese shit. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?

Its the cheapest charger on Amazon. There are dozens under $500.

So they don't cost $5,000 apiece after all, lieboy?

On 8/16/2023 12:32 AM, Unum wrote:
> On 8/15/2023 8:15 PM, Voice of REASON wrote:
>> Unum wrote:
>>> On 8/10/2023 8:22 PM, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>>> By Bradford Betz | FOXBusiness
>>>
>>> This lets you know the article is bullshit.
>>>
>>>> after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two charges
>>>> - one
>>>> at work and one at home - for $10,000. To accommodate the charger,
>>>> he had to
>>>> upgrade his home's electric panel for $6,000.
>>>
>>> You can buy a fast charger on Amazon for $200 that will let you set the
>>> charge rate to match your panel.
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/GODIAG-14-50-Level-Charger-Portable/dp/B0C2CB6VMK
>>>
>>
>> Cheap Chinese shit. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
>
> Its the cheapest charger on Amazon. There are dozens under $500.
>
> So they don't cost $5,000 apiece after all, lieboy?

Why not guestimate the cost of permitting, main panel expansion, 240V
50A home runs, outdoor panels, terminals, local, fire underwriters and
UL close-out inspections, and time to completion?

Easily $10K and four to six months, here, for only the home facilities.
Now do the office.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 09:56:51 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:

>Why not guestimate the cost of permitting, main panel expansion, 240V
>50A home runs, outdoor panels, terminals, local, fire underwriters and
>UL close-out inspections, and time to completion?

Siemens' new home EV charger adapter ends need for electrical panel
upgrades
https://electrek.co/2022/07/27/siemens-home-ev-charger-adapter/

Cheap, Simple, At-Home EV Charging for the Masses
https://gearjunkie.com/motors/cheap-simple-home-ev-charging

>Easily $10K

Bullshit....

"News" <News@Group.Name> wrote in message
news:ubikj3$35klr$1@dont-email.me...
> On 8/16/2023 12:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>> On 8/15/2023 8:15 PM, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>> Unum wrote:
>>>> On 8/10/2023 8:22 PM, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>>>> By Bradford Betz | FOXBusiness
>>>>
>>>> This lets you know the article is bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two charges -
>>>>> one
>>>>> at work and one at home - for $10,000. To accommodate the charger, he
>>>>> had to
>>>>> upgrade his home's electric panel for $6,000.
>>>>
>>>> You can buy a fast charger on Amazon for $200 that will let you set the
>>>> charge rate to match your panel.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/GODIAG-14-50-Level-Charger-Portable/dp/B0C2CB6VMK
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cheap Chinese shit. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
>>
>> Its the cheapest charger on Amazon. There are dozens under $500.
>>
>> So they don't cost $5,000 apiece after all, lieboy?
>
> Why not guestimate the cost of permitting, main panel expansion, 240V 50A
> home runs, outdoor panels, terminals, local, fire underwriters and UL
> close-out inspections, and time to completion?
>
> Easily $10K and four to six months, here, for only the home facilities.
> Now do the office.

And when they won't let you run your AC.. how do you expect to charge your
car?

On 8/16/2023 12:52 PM, JAB wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 09:56:51 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> Why not guestimate the cost of permitting, main panel expansion, 240V
>> 50A home runs, outdoor panels, terminals, local, fire underwriters and
>> UL close-out inspections, and time to completion?
>
> Siemens' new home EV charger adapter ends need for electrical panel
> upgrades
> https://electrek.co/2022/07/27/siemens-home-ev-charger-adapter/
>
> Cheap, Simple, At-Home EV Charging for the Masses
> https://gearjunkie.com/motors/cheap-simple-home-ev-charging
>
>> Easily $10K
>
> Bullshit....

That's some tasty stuff! Like some crow with it?

> 'In theory, you can buy the ConnectDER collar today in certain areas, but you probably can’t install it yourself. Unfortunately, the product has to be approved for use on a state-by-state basis, and it can even differ for individual electric utilities. You’ll probably still need a licensed electrician to install it.'

Now do the office --'in theory.'

Good luck with the landlord and utility providers.

Eat it, asswipe.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 13:30:51 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:

>Like some crow with it?
>
>> 'In theory, you can buy the ConnectDER collar today in certain areas,
>but you probably can't install it yourself. Unfortunately, the product
>has to be approved for use on a state-by-state basis, and it can even
>differ for individual electric utilities.
>You'll probably still need a licensed electrician to install it.'

No Crow here....with these "smart electric meters," if a person
removes it, the electric utility will know, and in my area, give you a
$500.00 "ticket." Utility company must be informed first.

Installation takes less than an hour, and estimated cost around
$500.00 total for a basic install.

With electrical equipment, usually the State/City/Utility determines
what they approve of for usage. Product is new, and has been used in
Solar industry....they are upgrading their plant to produce them for
EV industry.

Coming Soon....

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 13:30:51 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:

>Good luck with the landlord

I am the landlord....renter ask for one, and when its available, it
will be installed.

On 8/16/2023 8:56 AM, News wrote:
> On 8/16/2023 12:32 AM, Unum wrote:
>> On 8/15/2023 8:15 PM, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>> Unum wrote:
>>>> On 8/10/2023 8:22 PM, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>>>> By Bradford Betz | FOXBusiness
>>>>
>>>> This lets you know the article is bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>> after the purchase. The vehicle compelled him to install two charges - one
>>>>> at work and one at home - for $10,000. To accommodate the charger, he had to
>>>>> upgrade his home's electric panel for $6,000.
>>>>
>>>> You can buy a fast charger on Amazon for $200 that will let you set the
>>>> charge rate to match your panel.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/GODIAG-14-50-Level-Charger-Portable/dp/B0C2CB6VMK
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cheap Chinese shit. What could POSSIBLY go wrong?
>>
>> Its the cheapest charger on Amazon. There are dozens under $500.
>>
>> So they don't cost $5,000 apiece after all, lieboy?
>
> Why not guestimate the cost of permitting, main panel expansion, 240V 50A home
> runs, outdoor panels, terminals, local, fire underwriters and UL close-out
> inspections, and time to completion?

Fortunately you don't have to do any of that, because the chargers can be
set to draw however much current your existing panel can supply. You didn't
bother to even look at them.

> Easily $10K and four to six months, here, for only the home facilities. Now do
> the office.

Utter bullshit.

On 8/16/2023 1:58 PM, JAB wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 13:30:51 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> Like some crow with it?
>>
>>> 'In theory, you can buy the ConnectDER collar today in certain areas,
>> but you probably can't install it yourself. Unfortunately, the product
>> has to be approved for use on a state-by-state basis, and it can even
>> differ for individual electric utilities.
>> You'll probably still need a licensed electrician to install it.'
>
> No Crow here....with these "smart electric meters," if a person
> removes it, the electric utility will know, and in my area, give you a
> $500.00 "ticket." Utility company must be informed first.
>
> Installation takes less than an hour, and estimated cost around
> $500.00 total for a basic install.
>
> With electrical equipment, usually the State/City/Utility determines
> what they approve of for usage. Product is new, and has been used in
> Solar industry....they are upgrading their plant to produce them for
> EV industry.
>
> Coming Soon....

'when it's available', if ever

At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500 -- plus utility fine,
plus local permit, plus licensed electrician, plus local/UL/fire
inspections, plus fire insurance

Or will it be a DIY shade-tree job?

You'll be charging on your lawn, near the meter, right?

Good luck, sparky!

LMAO.

On 8/16/2023 1:59 PM, JAB wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 13:30:51 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> Good luck with the landlord
>
> I am the landlord....renter ask for one, and when its available, it
> will be installed.
>

'when it's available', if ever

At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500 -- plus utility fine,
plus local permit, plus licensed electrician, plus local/UL/fire
inspections, plus fire insurance

Or will it be another DIY shade-tree job? Probably!

Facilitating charging near the meter, right? Snaking HV cables all over?

Good luck, sparky!

LMAO.

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:

>On 8/16/2023 1:59 PM, JAB wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 13:30:51 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>
>>> Good luck with the landlord
>>
>> I am the landlord....renter ask for one, and when its available, it
>> will be installed.
>>
>
>'when it's available', if ever
>
>At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500 -- plus utility fine,
>plus local permit, plus licensed electrician, plus local/UL/fire
>inspections, plus fire insurance
>
>Or will it be another DIY shade-tree job? Probably!
>
>Facilitating charging near the meter, right? Snaking HV cables all over?
>
>Good luck, sparky!
>
>LMAO.

The twenty tanks of gas you won't have to buy will pay for it.

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On 8/16/2023 3:47 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> On 8/16/2023 1:59 PM, JAB wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 13:30:51 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good luck with the landlord
>>>
>>> I am the landlord....renter ask for one, and when its available, it
>>> will be installed.
>>>
>>
>> 'when it's available', if ever
>>
>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500 -- plus utility fine,
>> plus local permit, plus licensed electrician, plus local/UL/fire
>> inspections, plus fire insurance
>>
>> Or will it be another DIY shade-tree job? Probably!
>>
>> Facilitating charging near the meter, right? Snaking HV cables all over?
>>
>> Good luck, sparky!
>>
>> LMAO.
>
> The twenty tanks of gas you won't have to buy will pay for it.
>
> Swill

No CAPEX, 125 tank fills, 50,000 driving miles, for the installation.

Your charge kilowatts are 'free' or subsidized, right, sparky?

Remarkable how EV 'economics' are cherry-picked.

They make you feel good and 'green' though, don't they?

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:

>At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500

Your wet behind the ears....$500.00

Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
commerical charger.

14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day

On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>
>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>
> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>
> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
> commerical charger.
>
> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>

Sure, sparky. Go for it.

On 2023-08-16 14:16, News wrote:
> On 8/16/2023 5:04 PM, JAB wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>
>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500
>>
>> Your wet behind the ears....$500.00
>>
>> Btw, typical person can use 110 volt charger, and if needed, use a
>> commerical charger.
>>
>> 14,781 miles per year = 40 miles/day
>>
>
>
> Sure, sparky. Go for it.

'All mass-produced electric vehicles today include a 110-volt-compatible
(Level 1) charging unit which is able to be plugged into any standard
110v household outlet. The downside of EV charging with a 110v outlet is
that it takes a while. Level 1 charging provides approximately four to
five miles of range per hour charged. For an eight-hour overnight
charge, this will enable traveling around 36 to 40 miles which is great
for people who drive less than 50 miles (80 km) a day. '

<https://www.energy.gov/energysaver/articles/ev-charging-home>

News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
> On 8/16/2023 3:47 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 14:55:02 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/16/2023 1:59 PM, JAB wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 13:30:51 -0400, News <News@Group.Name> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good luck with the landlord
>>>>
>>>> I am the landlord....renter ask for one, and when its available, it
>>>> will be installed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> 'when it's available', if ever
>>>
>>> At the article's hoped-for price point of $1500 -- plus utility fine,
>>> plus local permit, plus licensed electrician, plus local/UL/fire
>>> inspections, plus fire insurance
>>>
>>> Or will it be another DIY shade-tree job? Probably!
>>>
>>> Facilitating charging near the meter, right? Snaking HV cables all over?
>>>
>>> Good luck, sparky!
>>>
>>> LMAO.
>>
>> The twenty tanks of gas you won't have to buy will pay for it.
>>
>> Swill
>
>
> No CAPEX, 125 tank fills, 50,000 driving miles, for the installation.
>
> Your charge kilowatts are 'free' or subsidized, right, sparky?
>
> Remarkable how EV 'economics' are cherry-picked.
>
> They make you feel good and 'green' though, don't they?
>
>

Makes one wonder how the power grid will support the added demand of every
home and office having EV chargers with the current infrastructure which
can barely keep up right now. It’s not like more nuclear power stations
are getting built. Is solar power going to provide all the extra power
needed for charging private and commercial EVs? How expensive will
electricity become when natural gas and oil become outlawed?