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* Specialized Fork IssueAMuzi
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 by: AMuzi - Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:03 UTC

https://www.bicycleretailer.com/recalls/2021/10/11/specialized-issue-voluntary-recall-tarmac-sl7#.YW1-jRKNWOI

--
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 by: sms - Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:46 UTC

On 10/18/2021 7:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> https://www.bicycleretailer.com/recalls/2021/10/11/specialized-issue-voluntary-recall-tarmac-sl7#.YW1-jRKNWOI

You're joking, there's a problem with breakage of a carbon fiber steer
tube or fork?

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 by: Tom Kunich - Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:56 UTC

On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 8:46:24 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> On 10/18/2021 7:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > https://www.bicycleretailer.com/recalls/2021/10/11/specialized-issue-voluntary-recall-tarmac-sl7#.YW1-jRKNWOI
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> You're joking, there's a problem with breakage of a carbon fiber steer
> tube or fork?

If you knew anything about the latest iteration of the "aero" Specialized SL7 you wouldn't be surprised. But seeing as you know nothing, you can feign surprise.

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 by: jbeattie - Mon, 18 Oct 2021 16:04 UTC

On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 8:46:24 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> On 10/18/2021 7:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > https://www.bicycleretailer.com/recalls/2021/10/11/specialized-issue-voluntary-recall-tarmac-sl7#.YW1-jRKNWOI
>
> You're joking, there's a problem with breakage of a carbon fiber steer
> tube or fork?

Yes, if you run it into a wall. The expander plug and compression ring -- and not the fork -- are being replaced. There were two reported failures following impacts and no injuries. Specialized has always been quick to address issues before CPSC involvement. And no, steel forks are not immune from failure and recall. https://www.cpsc.gov/search?search_api_fulltext=forks In fact, in recent years, there have probably been more steel fork recalls and way more shock-fork recalls, but you can weed through the CPSC site and find the stats.

-- Jay Beattie.

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 by: Tom Kunich - Mon, 18 Oct 2021 16:15 UTC

On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 9:04:34 AM UTC-7, jbeattie wrote:
> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 8:46:24 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> > On 10/18/2021 7:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > https://www.bicycleretailer.com/recalls/2021/10/11/specialized-issue-voluntary-recall-tarmac-sl7#.YW1-jRKNWOI
> >
> > You're joking, there's a problem with breakage of a carbon fiber steer
> > tube or fork?
> Yes, if you run it into a wall. The expander plug and compression ring -- and not the fork -- are being replaced. There were two reported failures following impacts and no injuries. Specialized has always been quick to address issues before CPSC involvement. And no, steel forks are not immune from failure and recall. https://www.cpsc.gov/search?search_api_fulltext=forks In fact, in recent years, there have probably been more steel fork recalls and way more shock-fork recalls, but you can weed through the CPSC site and find the stats.

The steel forks that fail are the cheapest possible to make. The Specialized SL7 is the most expensive bike that Specialized makes other than very special time trial bikes.

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 by: Frank Krygowski - Mon, 18 Oct 2021 16:39 UTC

On 10/18/2021 12:04 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> And no, steel forks are not immune from failure and recall.

I've talked about our custom tandem's catastrophic fork failure.
Reynolds 531 steel, although badly built.

--
- Frank Krygowski

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 by: AMuzi - Mon, 18 Oct 2021 16:45 UTC

On 10/18/2021 10:46 AM, sms wrote:
> On 10/18/2021 7:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> https://www.bicycleretailer.com/recalls/2021/10/11/specialized-issue-voluntary-recall-tarmac-sl7#.YW1-jRKNWOI
>
>
> You're joking, there's a problem with breakage of a carbon
> fiber steer tube or fork?

Every manufactured thing has some measurable rate of failure
In this case it seems to be vanishingly small.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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 by: sms - Mon, 18 Oct 2021 16:48 UTC

On 10/18/2021 9:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/18/2021 10:46 AM, sms wrote:
>> On 10/18/2021 7:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> https://www.bicycleretailer.com/recalls/2021/10/11/specialized-issue-voluntary-recall-tarmac-sl7#.YW1-jRKNWOI
>>>
>>
>>
>> You're joking, there's a problem with breakage of a carbon
>> fiber steer tube or fork?
>
> Every manufactured thing has some measurable rate of failure
> In this case it seems to be vanishingly small.

For the CPSC to get involved the risk is not "vanishingly small."

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 by: funkma...@hotmail.co - Mon, 18 Oct 2021 16:54 UTC

On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 12:04:34 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 8:46:24 AM UTC-7, sms wrote:
> > On 10/18/2021 7:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > https://www.bicycleretailer.com/recalls/2021/10/11/specialized-issue-voluntary-recall-tarmac-sl7#.YW1-jRKNWOI
> >
> > You're joking, there's a problem with breakage of a carbon fiber steer
> > tube or fork?
> Yes, if you run it into a wall. The expander plug and compression ring -- and not the fork -- are being replaced. There were two reported failures following impacts and no injuries. Specialized has always been quick to address issues before CPSC involvement. And no, steel forks are not immune from failure and recall. https://www.cpsc.gov/search?search_api_fulltext=forks In fact, in recent years, there have probably been more steel fork recalls and way more shock-fork recalls, but you can weed through the CPSC site and find the stats.
>
> -- Jay Beattie.

Mostly a liability move - If it was revealed that specialized had found a "flaw" in the design (even it it takes riding into a brick wall at 30 mph) and did nothing about it, lawsuits. Besides that, it shows them as being proactive, and at the same time getting customer into bikeshops where they might buy more stuff even though the repair is free (shop expenses covered by Specialized).

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 by: AMuzi - Mon, 18 Oct 2021 17:43 UTC

On 10/18/2021 11:48 AM, sms wrote:
> On 10/18/2021 9:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 10/18/2021 10:46 AM, sms wrote:
>>> On 10/18/2021 7:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> https://www.bicycleretailer.com/recalls/2021/10/11/specialized-issue-voluntary-recall-tarmac-sl7#.YW1-jRKNWOI
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You're joking, there's a problem with breakage of a carbon
>>> fiber steer tube or fork?
>>
>> Every manufactured thing has some measurable rate of failure
>> In this case it seems to be vanishingly small.
>
> For the CPSC to get involved the risk is not "vanishingly
> small."
>

The winning Jeopardy response would be, "What is 'two' ?"

--
Andrew Muzi
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 by: sms - Mon, 18 Oct 2021 18:02 UTC

On 10/18/2021 10:43 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/18/2021 11:48 AM, sms wrote:
>> On 10/18/2021 9:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 10/18/2021 10:46 AM, sms wrote:
>>>> On 10/18/2021 7:03 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> https://www.bicycleretailer.com/recalls/2021/10/11/specialized-issue-voluntary-recall-tarmac-sl7#.YW1-jRKNWOI
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're joking, there's a problem with breakage of a carbon
>>>> fiber steer tube or fork?
>>>
>>> Every manufactured thing has some measurable rate of failure
>>> In this case it seems to be vanishingly small.
>>
>> For the CPSC to get involved the risk is not "vanishingly
>> small."
>>
>
> The winning Jeopardy response would be, "What is 'two' ?"

Except that's not what either CSPC or Specialized look at. It's the
risk. Did those two breakages represent 100% of crashes? Or even just
50%? The fires in Chevy Volts represent only 0.006% of the Chevy Volts
on the road, but there's an inherent design flaw that is being addressed.

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 by: Tom Kunich - Mon, 18 Oct 2021 19:55 UTC

On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 10/18/2021 12:04 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> > And no, steel forks are not immune from failure and recall.
> I've talked about our custom tandem's catastrophic fork failure.
> Reynolds 531 steel, although badly built.

So even though it was incompetently made you're willing to blame the material? Some Engineer.

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 by: Frank Krygowski - Tue, 19 Oct 2021 01:31 UTC

On 10/18/2021 3:55 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 10/18/2021 12:04 PM, jbeattie wrote:
>>> And no, steel forks are not immune from failure and recall.
>> I've talked about our custom tandem's catastrophic fork failure.
>> Reynolds 531 steel, although badly built.
>
> So even though it was incompetently made you're willing to blame the material? Some Engineer.

Tom, you need _serious_ help with reading comprehension.

Please hire some illegal alien to help you with reading. I understand
they work cheap. Even you can probably afford it.

--
- Frank Krygowski

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 by: Tom Kunich - Thu, 21 Oct 2021 20:27 UTC

On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 6:31:03 PM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 10/18/2021 3:55 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 9:39:46 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 10/18/2021 12:04 PM, jbeattie wrote:
> >>> And no, steel forks are not immune from failure and recall.
> >> I've talked about our custom tandem's catastrophic fork failure.
> >> Reynolds 531 steel, although badly built.
> >
> > So even though it was incompetently made you're willing to blame the material? Some Engineer.
> Tom, you need _serious_ help with reading comprehension.
>
> Please hire some illegal alien to help you with reading. I understand
> they work cheap. Even you can probably afford it.

Frank, you need _serious_ help with reading comprehension.

Please hire some illegal alien to help you with reading. I understand they work cheap. Even you can probably afford it. Although they will probably return in the middle of the night and rob you blind. And with you afraid of the means of self protection, it will be quite easy for them.

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