I'm surprised this wasn't done earlier.

https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 10/20/2021 12:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> I'm surprised this wasn't done earlier.
>
> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/

Oh, wonderful. Flabby 60 year old novices with mollusk-like reaction
times can now "pedal" at 50 kph.

What could go wrong?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 11:30:29 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 10/20/2021 12:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > I'm surprised this wasn't done earlier.
> >
> > https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/
> Oh, wonderful. Flabby 60 year old novices with mollusk-like reaction
> times can now "pedal" at 50 kph.
>
> What could go wrong?
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

50 kph? What are you reading Frank. This is a quote from this wonderful device.
"PROPERTIES:
Speed limiter: up to 99 km/h
Display shows: real values up to 22 km/h"
https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/p/speedbox-1-1-for-shimano

I'm not sure why when you are going 62 MPH, they want you to see/think you are only going 13 MPH. I'm fairly certain most bicyclists, even new ones, can tell the difference between 62 and 13 MPH. But maybe they are building in a plausible defense when the cops pull you over for going 62 MPH through the school zone. "But officer, my speedometer said 13 MPH!!!!!!"

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:30:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 10/20/2021 12:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> I'm surprised this wasn't done earlier.
>>
>> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/
>
>Oh, wonderful. Flabby 60 year old novices with mollusk-like reaction
>times can now "pedal" at 50 kph.
>
>What could go wrong?

And just think, it has a "Speed limiter: up to 99 km/h"
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:56:26 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 11:30:29 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 10/20/2021 12:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> > I'm surprised this wasn't done earlier.
>> >
>> > https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/
>> Oh, wonderful. Flabby 60 year old novices with mollusk-like reaction
>> times can now "pedal" at 50 kph.
>>
>> What could go wrong?
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
>50 kph? What are you reading Frank. This is a quote from this wonderful device.
>"PROPERTIES:
>Speed limiter: up to 99 km/h
>Display shows: real values up to 22 km/h"
>https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/p/speedbox-1-1-for-shimano
>
>I'm not sure why when you are going 62 MPH, they want you to see/think you are only going 13 MPH. I'm fairly certain most bicyclists, even new ones, can tell the difference between 62 and 13 MPH. But maybe they are building in a plausible defense when the cops pull you over for going 62 MPH through the school zone. "But officer, my speedometer said 13 MPH!!!!!!"

And only 215 Euros too. A real bargain.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 3:47:30 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:56:26 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 11:30:29 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 10/20/2021 12:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> > I'm surprised this wasn't done earlier.
> >> >
> >> > https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/
> >> Oh, wonderful. Flabby 60 year old novices with mollusk-like reaction
> >> times can now "pedal" at 50 kph.
> >>
> >> What could go wrong?
> >>
> >> --
> >> - Frank Krygowski
> >
> >50 kph? What are you reading Frank. This is a quote from this wonderful device.
> >"PROPERTIES:
> >Speed limiter: up to 99 km/h
> >Display shows: real values up to 22 km/h"
> >https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/p/speedbox-1-1-for-shimano
> >
> >I'm not sure why when you are going 62 MPH, they want you to see/think you are only going 13 MPH. I'm fairly certain most bicyclists, even new ones, can tell the difference between 62 and 13 MPH. But maybe they are building in a plausible defense when the cops pull you over for going 62 MPH through the school zone. "But officer, my speedometer said 13 MPH!!!!!!"
> And only 215 Euros too. A real bargain.

Which is one reason why this is not much of a thing in the US. In Europe, you can''t buy an e-bike with assist beyond 25kph/15.5mph, and I think people see value in hot-rodding. The maximum assisted speed allowed for a Class 3 e-bike in the US is 28mph, and the hot-rod device for the Brose motor on my Vado would boost that to 31mph, assuming I could pedal hard enough and fast enough to hit the maximum assist. I rarely hit top speed with the current maximum assist because assist is progressive, and to squeak out the last few MPH from 26-28, you have to work for it -- or be going down hill. The real hot-rodding is with throttle actuated assist -- Class 2 e-bikes and various home-brews that are just e-motorcycles.

I'm on my meat-bike today, and its raining, and my leg is killing me from over-use, and I really wish I had my e-bike. They are the perfect recovery bike.

-- Jay Beattie.

russellseaton1@yahoo.com <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 11:30:29 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 10/20/2021 12:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> I'm surprised this wasn't done earlier.
>>>
>>> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/
>> Oh, wonderful. Flabby 60 year old novices with mollusk-like reaction
>> times can now "pedal" at 50 kph.
>>
>> What could go wrong?
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> 50 kph? What are you reading Frank. This is a quote from this wonderful device.
> "PROPERTIES:
> Speed limiter: up to 99 km/h
> Display shows: real values up to 22 km/h"
> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/p/speedbox-1-1-for-shimano
>
> I'm not sure why when you are going 62 MPH, they want you to see/think
> you are only going 13 MPH. I'm fairly certain most bicyclists, even new
> ones, can tell the difference between 62 and 13 MPH. But maybe they are
> building in a plausible defense when the cops pull you over for going 62
> MPH through the school zone. "But officer, my speedometer said 13 MPH!!!!!!"
>

“Display shows real values up to 22 km/hr” because the device works by
tricking the controller into thinking the bike is going slower than the
limiter speed.

Am 21.10.2021 um 00:47 schrieb John B.:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:56:26 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 11:30:29 AM UTC-5, Frank
>> Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 10/20/2021 12:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> I'm surprised this wasn't done earlier.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/
>>> Oh, wonderful. Flabby 60 year old novices with mollusk-like
>>> reaction times can now "pedal" at 50 kph.
>>>
>>> What could go wrong?
>>
>> 50 kph? What are you reading Frank. This is a quote from this
>> wonderful device. "PROPERTIES: Speed limiter: up to 99 km/h Display
>> shows: real values up to 22 km/h"
>> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/p/speedbox-1-1-for-shimano
>>
>> I'm not sure why when you are going 62 MPH, they want you to
>> see/think you are only going 13 MPH. I'm fairly certain most
>> bicyclists, even new ones, can tell the difference between 62 and
>> 13 MPH. But maybe they are building in a plausible defense when
>> the cops pull you over for going 62 MPH through the school zone.
>> "But officer, my speedometer said 13 MPH!!!!!!"
>
> And only 215 Euros too. A real bargain.

Considering that it effectively turns a class-1 ebike into a class-3
ebike, it is (at least until you lose your driving licence for operating
an uninsured not road-legal vehicle).
With the 'maximum 400% power scaling' of current class-1 ebikes,
realistically flabby 60 year olds will go 20-25 mph at most, young fit
athletes might hit 35 or 40 on the flat.

Rolf

On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:59:47 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 21.10.2021 um 00:47 schrieb John B.:
> > On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:56:26 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> > <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 11:30:29 AM UTC-5, Frank
> >> Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 10/20/2021 12:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> I'm surprised this wasn't done earlier.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/
> >>> Oh, wonderful. Flabby 60 year old novices with mollusk-like
> >>> reaction times can now "pedal" at 50 kph.
> >>>
> >>> What could go wrong?
> >>
> >> 50 kph? What are you reading Frank. This is a quote from this
> >> wonderful device. "PROPERTIES: Speed limiter: up to 99 km/h Display
> >> shows: real values up to 22 km/h"
> >> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/p/speedbox-1-1-for-shimano
> >>
> >> I'm not sure why when you are going 62 MPH, they want you to
> >> see/think you are only going 13 MPH. I'm fairly certain most
> >> bicyclists, even new ones, can tell the difference between 62 and
> >> 13 MPH. But maybe they are building in a plausible defense when
> >> the cops pull you over for going 62 MPH through the school zone.
> >> "But officer, my speedometer said 13 MPH!!!!!!"
> >
> > And only 215 Euros too. A real bargain.
> Considering that it effectively turns a class-1 ebike into a class-3
> ebike, it is (at least until you lose your driving licence for operating
> an uninsured not road-legal vehicle).
> With the 'maximum 400% power scaling' of current class-1 ebikes,
> realistically flabby 60 year olds will go 20-25 mph at most, young fit
> athletes might hit 35 or 40 on the flat.

Modifications come in all sorts of flavors. The least expensive tuning box for the European version of my Vado produces a top assist speed of 31mph -- 3mph above the USA Class 3 limit of 28mph. In terms of top speed on the flats, a young fit rider would be better off on a lightweight racing bike because there would be no assist above 31mph, and the rider would be pushing a 60lb e-bike with 47mm tires. Some of the more complicated tuning boxes apparently allow assist above 31mph, which like you said, would allow a fit rider to hit a higher top speed.

Just poking around, I'm amazed at the number of tuning devices on the markets and the amount of home-modifications going on. It's like hotrodding of bygone days mixed with ordinary bike wrenching -- people changing front rings and RDs, etc. And then there are the people who are just building e-motorcycles with throttles.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 9:26:13 AM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:59:47 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > Am 21.10.2021 um 00:47 schrieb John B.:
> > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:56:26 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> > > <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 11:30:29 AM UTC-5, Frank
> > >> Krygowski wrote:
> > >>> On 10/20/2021 12:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>>> I'm surprised this wasn't done earlier.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/
> > >>> Oh, wonderful. Flabby 60 year old novices with mollusk-like
> > >>> reaction times can now "pedal" at 50 kph.
> > >>>
> > >>> What could go wrong?
> > >>
> > >> 50 kph? What are you reading Frank. This is a quote from this
> > >> wonderful device. "PROPERTIES: Speed limiter: up to 99 km/h Display
> > >> shows: real values up to 22 km/h"
> > >> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/p/speedbox-1-1-for-shimano
> > >>
> > >> I'm not sure why when you are going 62 MPH, they want you to
> > >> see/think you are only going 13 MPH. I'm fairly certain most
> > >> bicyclists, even new ones, can tell the difference between 62 and
> > >> 13 MPH. But maybe they are building in a plausible defense when
> > >> the cops pull you over for going 62 MPH through the school zone.
> > >> "But officer, my speedometer said 13 MPH!!!!!!"
> > >
> > > And only 215 Euros too. A real bargain.
> > Considering that it effectively turns a class-1 ebike into a class-3
> > ebike, it is (at least until you lose your driving licence for operating
> > an uninsured not road-legal vehicle).
> > With the 'maximum 400% power scaling' of current class-1 ebikes,
> > realistically flabby 60 year olds will go 20-25 mph at most, young fit
> > athletes might hit 35 or 40 on the flat.
> Modifications come in all sorts of flavors. The least expensive tuning box for the European version of my Vado produces a top assist speed of 31mph -- 3mph above the USA Class 3 limit of 28mph. In terms of top speed on the flats, a young fit rider would be better off on a lightweight racing bike because there would be no assist above 31mph, and the rider would be pushing a 60lb e-bike with 47mm tires. Some of the more complicated tuning boxes apparently allow assist above 31mph, which like you said, would allow a fit rider to hit a higher top speed.
>
> Just poking around, I'm amazed at the number of tuning devices on the markets and the amount of home-modifications going on. It's like hotrodding of bygone days mixed with ordinary bike wrenching -- people changing front rings and RDs, etc. And then there are the people who are just building e-motorcycles with throttles.
>
> -- Jay Beattie.

> "In terms of top speed on the flats, a young fit rider would be better off on a lightweight racing bike because there would be no assist above 31mph"

I watch the Tour de France and they ride the peloton at 30 mph or faster on the flats. But I think anything above 31 mph is darn hard to maintain for anyone but a professional. I don't care how young or fit or lightweight your bike is.

On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 11:31:33 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 9:26:13 AM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:59:47 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > > Am 21.10.2021 um 00:47 schrieb John B.:
> > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:56:26 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> > > > <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 11:30:29 AM UTC-5, Frank
> > > >> Krygowski wrote:
> > > >>> On 10/20/2021 12:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > >>>> I'm surprised this wasn't done earlier.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/
> > > >>> Oh, wonderful. Flabby 60 year old novices with mollusk-like
> > > >>> reaction times can now "pedal" at 50 kph.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> What could go wrong?
> > > >>
> > > >> 50 kph? What are you reading Frank. This is a quote from this
> > > >> wonderful device. "PROPERTIES: Speed limiter: up to 99 km/h Display
> > > >> shows: real values up to 22 km/h"
> > > >> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/p/speedbox-1-1-for-shimano
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm not sure why when you are going 62 MPH, they want you to
> > > >> see/think you are only going 13 MPH. I'm fairly certain most
> > > >> bicyclists, even new ones, can tell the difference between 62 and
> > > >> 13 MPH. But maybe they are building in a plausible defense when
> > > >> the cops pull you over for going 62 MPH through the school zone.
> > > >> "But officer, my speedometer said 13 MPH!!!!!!"
> > > >
> > > > And only 215 Euros too. A real bargain.
> > > Considering that it effectively turns a class-1 ebike into a class-3
> > > ebike, it is (at least until you lose your driving licence for operating
> > > an uninsured not road-legal vehicle).
> > > With the 'maximum 400% power scaling' of current class-1 ebikes,
> > > realistically flabby 60 year olds will go 20-25 mph at most, young fit
> > > athletes might hit 35 or 40 on the flat.
> > Modifications come in all sorts of flavors. The least expensive tuning box for the European version of my Vado produces a top assist speed of 31mph -- 3mph above the USA Class 3 limit of 28mph. In terms of top speed on the flats, a young fit rider would be better off on a lightweight racing bike because there would be no assist above 31mph, and the rider would be pushing a 60lb e-bike with 47mm tires. Some of the more complicated tuning boxes apparently allow assist above 31mph, which like you said, would allow a fit rider to hit a higher top speed.
> >
> > Just poking around, I'm amazed at the number of tuning devices on the markets and the amount of home-modifications going on. It's like hotrodding of bygone days mixed with ordinary bike wrenching -- people changing front rings and RDs, etc. And then there are the people who are just building e-motorcycles with throttles.
> >
> > -- Jay Beattie.
>
> > "In terms of top speed on the flats, a young fit rider would be better off on a lightweight racing bike because there would be no assist above 31mph"
> I watch the Tour de France and they ride the peloton at 30 mph or faster on the flats. But I think anything above 31 mph is darn hard to maintain for anyone but a professional. I don't care how young or fit or lightweight your bike is.

Be sure and forget the fact that on one stage on perfectly flat ground the peloton did 50 mph for an entire hour to catch a breakaway.

On 10/22/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 11:31:33 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> I watch the Tour de France and they ride the peloton at 30 mph or faster on the flats. But I think anything above 31 mph is darn hard to maintain for anyone but a professional. I don't care how young or fit or lightweight your bike is.
>
> Be sure and forget the fact that on one stage on perfectly flat ground the peloton did 50 mph for an entire hour to catch a breakaway.

Hmm. And which year and which stage was that?

Weirdly enough, nobody here trusts your "memory," Tom.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 10/22/2021 4:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 10/22/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 11:31:33 PM UTC-7,
>> russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I watch the Tour de France and they ride the peloton at
>>> 30 mph or faster on the flats. But I think anything above
>>> 31 mph is darn hard to maintain for anyone but a
>>> professional. I don't care how young or fit or
>>> lightweight your bike is.
>>
>> Be sure and forget the fact that on one stage on perfectly
>> flat ground the peloton did 50 mph for an entire hour to
>> catch a breakaway.
>
> Hmm. And which year and which stage was that?
>
> Weirdly enough, nobody here trusts your "memory," Tom.
>

If I recall the world record team time trial is something
just over 50KPH (not MPH) Couldn't find it in search.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 08:41:46 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 11:31:33 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 9:26:13 AM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
>> > On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 12:59:47 AM UTC-7, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> > > Am 21.10.2021 um 00:47 schrieb John B.:
>> > > > On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:56:26 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> > > > <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 11:30:29 AM UTC-5, Frank
>> > > >> Krygowski wrote:
>> > > >>> On 10/20/2021 12:17 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> > > >>>> I'm surprised this wasn't done earlier.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/
>> > > >>> Oh, wonderful. Flabby 60 year old novices with mollusk-like
>> > > >>> reaction times can now "pedal" at 50 kph.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> What could go wrong?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> 50 kph? What are you reading Frank. This is a quote from this
>> > > >> wonderful device. "PROPERTIES: Speed limiter: up to 99 km/h Display
>> > > >> shows: real values up to 22 km/h"
>> > > >> https://www.speedbox-tuning.com/p/speedbox-1-1-for-shimano
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I'm not sure why when you are going 62 MPH, they want you to
>> > > >> see/think you are only going 13 MPH. I'm fairly certain most
>> > > >> bicyclists, even new ones, can tell the difference between 62 and
>> > > >> 13 MPH. But maybe they are building in a plausible defense when
>> > > >> the cops pull you over for going 62 MPH through the school zone.
>> > > >> "But officer, my speedometer said 13 MPH!!!!!!"
>> > > >
>> > > > And only 215 Euros too. A real bargain.
>> > > Considering that it effectively turns a class-1 ebike into a class-3
>> > > ebike, it is (at least until you lose your driving licence for operating
>> > > an uninsured not road-legal vehicle).
>> > > With the 'maximum 400% power scaling' of current class-1 ebikes,
>> > > realistically flabby 60 year olds will go 20-25 mph at most, young fit
>> > > athletes might hit 35 or 40 on the flat.
>> > Modifications come in all sorts of flavors. The least expensive tuning box for the European version of my Vado produces a top assist speed of 31mph -- 3mph above the USA Class 3 limit of 28mph. In terms of top speed on the flats, a young fit rider would be better off on a lightweight racing bike because there would be no assist above 31mph, and the rider would be pushing a 60lb e-bike with 47mm tires. Some of the more complicated tuning boxes apparently allow assist above 31mph, which like you said, would allow a fit rider to hit a higher top speed.
>> >
>> > Just poking around, I'm amazed at the number of tuning devices on the markets and the amount of home-modifications going on. It's like hotrodding of bygone days mixed with ordinary bike wrenching -- people changing front rings and RDs, etc. And then there are the people who are just building e-motorcycles with throttles.
>> >
>> > -- Jay Beattie.
>>
>> > "In terms of top speed on the flats, a young fit rider would be better off on a lightweight racing bike because there would be no assist above 31mph"
>> I watch the Tour de France and they ride the peloton at 30 mph or faster on the flats. But I think anything above 31 mph is darn hard to maintain for anyone but a professional. I don't care how young or fit or lightweight your bike is.
>
>Be sure and forget the fact that on one stage on perfectly flat ground the peloton did 50 mph for an entire hour to catch a breakaway.

Tommy, is this an example of you "Showing" the group something? An
unsupported statement.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 16:36:18 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 10/22/2021 4:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 10/22/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 11:31:33 PM UTC-7,
>>> russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I watch the Tour de France and they ride the peloton at
>>>> 30 mph or faster on the flats. But I think anything above
>>>> 31 mph is darn hard to maintain for anyone but a
>>>> professional. I don't care how young or fit or
>>>> lightweight your bike is.
>>>
>>> Be sure and forget the fact that on one stage on perfectly
>>> flat ground the peloton did 50 mph for an entire hour to
>>> catch a breakaway.
>>
>> Hmm. And which year and which stage was that?
>>
>> Weirdly enough, nobody here trusts your "memory," Tom.
>>
>
>If I recall the world record team time trial is something
>just over 50KPH (not MPH) Couldn't find it in search.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_time_trial
Not a team trial but the world record is 56.303 seconds (63.940 km/h),
set by Francois Pervis in the 2013 Track World Cup at Aguascalientes,
Mexico

That is for a 1,000 time trial.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 10/22/2021 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 16:36:18 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 10/22/2021 4:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 10/22/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 11:31:33 PM UTC-7,
>>>> russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I watch the Tour de France and they ride the peloton at
>>>>> 30 mph or faster on the flats. But I think anything above
>>>>> 31 mph is darn hard to maintain for anyone but a
>>>>> professional. I don't care how young or fit or
>>>>> lightweight your bike is.
>>>>
>>>> Be sure and forget the fact that on one stage on perfectly
>>>> flat ground the peloton did 50 mph for an entire hour to
>>>> catch a breakaway.
>>>
>>> Hmm. And which year and which stage was that?
>>>
>>> Weirdly enough, nobody here trusts your "memory," Tom.
>>>
>>
>> If I recall the world record team time trial is something
>> just over 50KPH (not MPH) Couldn't find it in search.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_time_trial
> Not a team trial but the world record is 56.303 seconds (63.940 km/h),
> set by Francois Pervis in the 2013 Track World Cup at Aguascalientes,
> Mexico
>
> That is for a 1,000 time trial.
>
1000 meters? That's not really comparable to a distance
event, for example a track hour which can't be nearly as fast.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 23:40:10 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 10/22/2021 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 16:36:18 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/22/2021 4:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 10/22/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 11:31:33 PM UTC-7,
>>>>> russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I watch the Tour de France and they ride the peloton at
>>>>>> 30 mph or faster on the flats. But I think anything above
>>>>>> 31 mph is darn hard to maintain for anyone but a
>>>>>> professional. I don't care how young or fit or
>>>>>> lightweight your bike is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Be sure and forget the fact that on one stage on perfectly
>>>>> flat ground the peloton did 50 mph for an entire hour to
>>>>> catch a breakaway.
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. And which year and which stage was that?
>>>>
>>>> Weirdly enough, nobody here trusts your "memory," Tom.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If I recall the world record team time trial is something
>>> just over 50KPH (not MPH) Couldn't find it in search.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_time_trial
>> Not a team trial but the world record is 56.303 seconds (63.940 km/h),
>> set by Francois Pervis in the 2013 Track World Cup at Aguascalientes,
>> Mexico
>>
>> That is for a 1,000 time trial.
>>
>1000 meters? That's not really comparable to a distance
>event, for example a track hour which can't be nearly as fast.

No, which was why I made sure to mention 1,000.

I was, rather, contending that if ~64 kph was the best that could be
done for ~1 minute then it seemed a bit unlikely that anyone can do 50
mph (~80 kph) for "an entire hour" (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 4:36:21 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/22/2021 4:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 10/22/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 11:31:33 PM UTC-7,
> >> russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I watch the Tour de France and they ride the peloton at
> >>> 30 mph or faster on the flats. But I think anything above
> >>> 31 mph is darn hard to maintain for anyone but a
> >>> professional. I don't care how young or fit or
> >>> lightweight your bike is.
> >>
> >> Be sure and forget the fact that on one stage on perfectly
> >> flat ground the peloton did 50 mph for an entire hour to
> >> catch a breakaway.
> >
> > Hmm. And which year and which stage was that?
> >
> > Weirdly enough, nobody here trusts your "memory," Tom.
> >
> If I recall the world record team time trial is something
> just over 50KPH (not MPH) Couldn't find it in search.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Yeah Google!!!!!!

I put in Google "fastest tour de france non time trial stage"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tour_de_France_records_and_statistics
Stage speeds
The fastest massed-start stage was in 1999 from Laval to Blois (194.5 km), won by Mario Cipollini at 50.4 km/h (31.32 mph).[14] The fastest time-trial is Rohan Dennis' stage 1 of the 2015 Tour de France in Utrecht, won at an average pace of 55.446 km/h (34.5 mph).[15][16] The fastest stage win was by the 2013 Orica GreenEDGE team in a team time-trial. They completed the 25 km time-trial at 57.7 km/h (35.85 mph).[17]

The fastest climb of Alpe d'Huez was by Marco Pantani in 1997 Tour de France at 23.1 km/h (14.35 mph).[18]

31, 34, 35 mph fastest Tour de France average race speeds. Needless to say, Tom's claim of 50 mph for even one hour to catch a breakaway is very dubious.

On 10/23/2021 12:59 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 23:40:10 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 10/22/2021 6:00 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 16:36:18 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/22/2021 4:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 10/22/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 11:31:33 PM UTC-7,
>>>>>> russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I watch the Tour de France and they ride the peloton at
>>>>>>> 30 mph or faster on the flats. But I think anything above
>>>>>>> 31 mph is darn hard to maintain for anyone but a
>>>>>>> professional. I don't care how young or fit or
>>>>>>> lightweight your bike is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Be sure and forget the fact that on one stage on perfectly
>>>>>> flat ground the peloton did 50 mph for an entire hour to
>>>>>> catch a breakaway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmm. And which year and which stage was that?
>>>>>
>>>>> Weirdly enough, nobody here trusts your "memory," Tom.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If I recall the world record team time trial is something
>>>> just over 50KPH (not MPH) Couldn't find it in search.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Track_time_trial
>>> Not a team trial but the world record is 56.303 seconds (63.940 km/h),
>>> set by Francois Pervis in the 2013 Track World Cup at Aguascalientes,
>>> Mexico
>>>
>>> That is for a 1,000 time trial.
>>>
>> 1000 meters? That's not really comparable to a distance
>> event, for example a track hour which can't be nearly as fast.
>
> No, which was why I made sure to mention 1,000.
>
> I was, rather, contending that if ~64 kph was the best that could be
> done for ~1 minute then it seemed a bit unlikely that anyone can do 50
> mph (~80 kph) for "an entire hour" (:-)
>
+1

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 2:36:21 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 10/22/2021 4:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 10/22/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 11:31:33 PM UTC-7,
> >> russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I watch the Tour de France and they ride the peloton at
> >>> 30 mph or faster on the flats. But I think anything above
> >>> 31 mph is darn hard to maintain for anyone but a
> >>> professional. I don't care how young or fit or
> >>> lightweight your bike is.
> >>
> >> Be sure and forget the fact that on one stage on perfectly
> >> flat ground the peloton did 50 mph for an entire hour to
> >> catch a breakaway.
> >
> > Hmm. And which year and which stage was that?
> >
> > Weirdly enough, no body here trusts your "memory," Tom.
> >
> If I recall the world record team time trial is something
> just over 50KPH (not MPH) Couldn't find it in search.

During the TdF they announced that speed. And I might add, not with a great deal of wonder. NOT KPH but MPH. A peloton is not a time trial and it would be unusual to have any slight descent to add to that speed for an entire hour. The thing that I found surprising about that is that it is an unusual sprint that holds that sort of speed for a couple of seconds. But if the orders go out to catch the breakaway, that is what you do.

On 10/23/2021 9:12 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 2:36:21 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 10/22/2021 4:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 10/22/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, October 21, 2021 at 11:31:33 PM UTC-7,
>>>> russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I watch the Tour de France and they ride the peloton at
>>>>> 30 mph or faster on the flats. But I think anything above
>>>>> 31 mph is darn hard to maintain for anyone but a
>>>>> professional. I don't care how young or fit or
>>>>> lightweight your bike is.
>>>>
>>>> Be sure and forget the fact that on one stage on perfectly
>>>> flat ground the peloton did 50 mph for an entire hour to
>>>> catch a breakaway.
>>>
>>> Hmm. And which year and which stage was that?
>>>
>>> Weirdly enough, no body here trusts your "memory," Tom.
>>>
>> If I recall the world record team time trial is something
>> just over 50KPH (not MPH) Couldn't find it in search.
>
> During the TdF they announced that speed. And I might add, not with a great deal of wonder. NOT KPH but MPH. A peloton is not a time trial and it would be unusual to have any slight descent to add to that speed for an entire hour. The thing that I found surprising about that is that it is an unusual sprint that holds that sort of speed for a couple of seconds. But if the orders go out to catch the breakaway, that is what you do.
>

A peloton is indeed unlike a team time trial. TTT are
generally flat and moreover they train together for their
event. No way any peloton on a road course can beat a team
time trial record.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 10/23/2021 10:12 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 2:36:21 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 10/22/2021 4:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 10/22/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Be sure and forget the fact that on one stage on perfectly
>>>> flat ground the peloton did 50 mph for an entire hour to
>>>> catch a breakaway.
>>>
>>> Hmm. And which year and which stage was that?
>>>
>>> Weirdly enough, no body here trusts your "memory," Tom.
>>>
>> If I recall the world record team time trial is something
>> just over 50KPH (not MPH) Couldn't find it in search.
>
> During the TdF they announced that speed.

According to your "memory."

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:47:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 10/23/2021 10:12 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 2:36:21 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 10/22/2021 4:19 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 10/22/2021 11:41 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Be sure and forget the fact that on one stage on perfectly
>>>>> flat ground the peloton did 50 mph for an entire hour to
>>>>> catch a breakaway.
>>>>
>>>> Hmm. And which year and which stage was that?
>>>>
>>>> Weirdly enough, no body here trusts your "memory," Tom.
>>>>
>>> If I recall the world record team time trial is something
>>> just over 50KPH (not MPH) Couldn't find it in search.
>>
>> During the TdF they announced that speed.
>
>According to your "memory."

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Just think. We could buy Tommy one for the holidays.
(Thank God! Peace and quiet)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 06:03:00 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey! I discovered a new thing.
> https://www.amazon.com/STOPWOOFER-Shock-Bark-Collar-Dogs/dp/B08CR6P83Q/ref=sr_1_2_sspa
> and only $29.99
>
> Just think. We could buy Tommy one for the holidays.
> (Thank God! Peace and quiet)

Ceasing to poke him with a stick would work quicker and cheaper and
with less effort.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net

Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> writes:

> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 06:03:00 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey! I discovered a new thing.
>> https://www.amazon.com/STOPWOOFER-Shock-Bark-Collar-Dogs/dp/B08CR6P83Q/ref=sr_1_2_sspa
>> and only $29.99
>>
>> Just think. We could buy Tommy one for the holidays.
>> (Thank God! Peace and quiet)
>
> Ceasing to poke him with a stick would work quicker and cheaper and
> with less effort.

+1