Little story about law in Oregon I just came across:

We prosecuted cases in Los Angeles, and we thought we saw lots
of nuttiness. But an AUSA colleague in Portland, Oregon told a
story that topped any of ours. He got a guy convicted of fraud
and the judge sentenced the crook to a nice, long sentence. But
the Ninth Circuit (grrrrrrr) overturned the sentence because the
trial judge had not adequately explained the bases for the
sentence. The case was remanded. At the resentencing, the judge
came out onto the bench, glared at the defendant and said
"Because you're no damned good." Then the judge stood up and
strolled back to chambers. The sentence was then upheld by the
Ninth Circuit.

https://www.druganddevicelawblog.com/2021/10/federal-court-upholds-oregon-covid-19-vaccine-mandate.html

Made me laugh, anyway. "Because you're no damned good." heh

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 7:48:12 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> Little story about law in Oregon I just came across:
>
> We prosecuted cases in Los Angeles, and we thought we saw lots
> of nuttiness. But an AUSA colleague in Portland, Oregon told a
> story that topped any of ours. He got a guy convicted of fraud
> and the judge sentenced the crook to a nice, long sentence. But
> the Ninth Circuit (grrrrrrr) overturned the sentence because the
> trial judge had not adequately explained the bases for the
> sentence. The case was remanded. At the resentencing, the judge
> came out onto the bench, glared at the defendant and said
> "Because you're no damned good." Then the judge stood up and
> strolled back to chambers. The sentence was then upheld by the
> Ninth Circuit.
>
> https://www.druganddevicelawblog.com/2021/10/federal-court-upholds-oregon-covid-19-vaccine-mandate.html
>
> Made me laugh, anyway. "Because you're no damned good." heh

Speaking of legal matters I am quite upset that we don't have the legal profession taking any actions on the grounds of the rights of individuals in light of the matter of all of this bogus covid-19 bullshit. And by WHAT authority do county supervisors or state governors feel they have the right to order everyone to wear masks when they have been studied for over 100 years and found not only to have absolutely no effect on viruses but not even stop the contagion of bacterial illnesses? Think about this, due to this we have every petty little authoritarian without an ounce of knowledge forbidding you to buy food or even lifesaving drugs without wearing a mask that itself can dire consequences most especially among children whose lungs develop up to the age of 20 and who can have hypercapnia that can cause permanent lung damage from masks. You can feel this for yourself if you wear a paper mask more than a couple of times.

What ever happened to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that supposedly forbad discrimination on the ground of race, gender, religion or medical condition?

On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 7:48:12 AM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> Little story about law in Oregon I just came across:
>
> We prosecuted cases in Los Angeles, and we thought we saw lots
> of nuttiness. But an AUSA colleague in Portland, Oregon told a
> story that topped any of ours. He got a guy convicted of fraud
> and the judge sentenced the crook to a nice, long sentence. But
> the Ninth Circuit (grrrrrrr) overturned the sentence because the
> trial judge had not adequately explained the bases for the
> sentence. The case was remanded. At the resentencing, the judge
> came out onto the bench, glared at the defendant and said
> "Because you're no damned good." Then the judge stood up and
> strolled back to chambers. The sentence was then upheld by the
> Ninth Circuit.
>
> https://www.druganddevicelawblog.com/2021/10/federal-court-upholds-oregon-covid-19-vaccine-mandate.html
>
> Made me laugh, anyway. "Because you're no damned good." heh

I always find these stories suspicious, particularly since sentencing is done based on guidelines. https://www.ussc.gov/guidelines/2018-guidelines-manual-annotated And the court just goes through a check-the-box form: chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/viewer.html?pdfurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.uscourts.gov%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fao245sor.pdf&clen=159963&chunk=true

I don't see a box for "Because you're no damned good." And I can think of maybe two judges at the Oregon USDC that might say something like that. I don't do criminal, but I've had to sit through sentencings while waiting on a civil matter. You'll get judges lecturing criminal defendants, but the lectures focus on some sentencing factor. State sentencing is like doing a tax return -- its all based on a grid with modifiers, up and down.

-- Jay Beattie.

On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 11:04:32 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> What ever happened to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that supposedly forbad discrimination on the ground of race, gender, religion or medical condition?

Sorry sparky, the civil rights act doesn't cover medical conditions, the civil rights act banned discrimination based on race, color, religion, or national origin. in 2020 The Supreme Court (under donald trump) affirmed that "sex" includes sexual orientation and gender identity.

You're thinking of the Americans with Disabilities Act, which does in fact apply here and has been used successfully to allow individuals to not wear masks if they have a condition which wearing a mask would create a burden.

But that's a minor factual point, and we know that's not what you're talking about.

On Thursday, October 28, 2021 at 12:20:10 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 11:04:32 AM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > What ever happened to the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that supposedly forbad discrimination on the ground of race, gender, religion or medical condition?
> Sorry sparky, the civil rights act doesn't cover medical conditions, the civil rights act banned discrimination based on race, color, religion, or national origin. in 2020 The Supreme Court (under donald trump) affirmed that "sex" includes sexual orientation and gender identity.
>
> You're thinking of the Americans with Disabilities Act, which does in fact apply here and has been used successfully to allow individuals to not wear masks if they have a condition which wearing a mask would create a burden..
>
> But that's a minor factual point, and we know that's not what you're talking about.

I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

> I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.

But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?

Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!

-- Jay Beattie.

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:33:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
> Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive.. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
>
> -- Jay Beattie.

He has a breathing disability, yet he claims to ride his bike 35 miles+ almost everyday with 10,000 feet of climbing per ride, and passing riders 40 years younger than him on those climbs. I _hope_ I have that kind of breathing disability when I'm 80.

from https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Nw6aZt0PpA8/m/Tvm9TArIAwAJ

"After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on. This covered my hands with black grease from the Rock and Roll I put on that chain to wear it in before cleaning and waxing it. So I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. No soap and no hot water and no paper towels. So I have to take some toilet paper to wipe the grease off of my hands so that I didn't dirty the levers. When I came out they were just getting there. ....... Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape."

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?

And that happens to be physical therapy for my injury in the service of my country that is proven with lung X-rays.

From the CDC report DURING the initial stages of so-called pandemic "We did not find evidence that surgical-type face masks are effective in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza transmission, either when worn by infected persons (source control) or by persons in the general community to reduce their susceptibility" If masks have NO effect why are you wearing one like a good little boy?

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:45:10 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:33:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> > > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
> > Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
> >
> > -- Jay Beattie.
> He has a breathing disability, yet he claims to ride his bike 35 miles+ almost everyday with 10,000 feet of climbing per ride, and passing riders 40 years younger than him on those climbs. I _hope_ I have that kind of breathing disability when I'm 80.
>
> from https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Nw6aZt0PpA8/m/Tvm9TArIAwAJ
>
> "After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on. This covered my hands with black grease from the Rock and Roll I put on that chain to wear it in before cleaning and waxing it. So I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. No soap and no hot water and no paper towels. So I have to take some toilet paper to wipe the grease off of my hands so that I didn't dirty the levers. When I came out they were just getting there. ....... Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape."

I assume you feel the need to exaggerate my riding out of sheer envy.

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:52:42 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:45:10 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:33:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> > > > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
> > > Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
> > >
> > > -- Jay Beattie.
> > He has a breathing disability, yet he claims to ride his bike 35 miles+ almost everyday with 10,000 feet of climbing per ride, and passing riders 40 years younger than him on those climbs. I _hope_ I have that kind of breathing disability when I'm 80.
> >
> > from https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Nw6aZt0PpA8/m/Tvm9TArIAwAJ
> >
> > "After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on.. This covered my hands with black grease from the Rock and Roll I put on that chain to wear it in before cleaning and waxing it. So I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. No soap and no hot water and no paper towels. So I have to take some toilet paper to wipe the grease off of my hands so that I didn't dirty the levers. When I came out they were just getting there. ....... Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape."
> I assume you feel the need to exaggerate my riding out of sheer envy.

That's pretty much the first thing you've gotten right in ...I don't know how long. I am in fact jealous that you can get out for 35+ miles every day. I can't, I'm still gainfully employed with a family and home I'm responsible for, so I have to squeeze in an hour a day if I'm lucky, and might get a 3 hour ride in on the weekends (both days if I'm really lucky). but, we all make choices in life, and my choices have resulted in me having a stable family and professional life - something many people are jealous of, so I don't think I'd trade places with you (not to mention you wouldn't be able to handle my situation).

Of course, based on your resume, you've been able to get out and ride for 35 miles a day for most of your adult life. That's easy to romanticize, but at what cost?

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 1:49:30 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:52:42 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:45:10 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:33:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> > > > > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
> > > > Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
> > > >
> > > > -- Jay Beattie.
> > > He has a breathing disability, yet he claims to ride his bike 35 miles+ almost everyday with 10,000 feet of climbing per ride, and passing riders 40 years younger than him on those climbs. I _hope_ I have that kind of breathing disability when I'm 80.
> > >
> > > from https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Nw6aZt0PpA8/m/Tvm9TArIAwAJ
> > >
> > > "After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on. This covered my hands with black grease from the Rock and Roll I put on that chain to wear it in before cleaning and waxing it. So I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. No soap and no hot water and no paper towels. So I have to take some toilet paper to wipe the grease off of my hands so that I didn't dirty the levers. When I came out they were just getting there. ....... Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape."
> > I assume you feel the need to exaggerate my riding out of sheer envy.
> That's pretty much the first thing you've gotten right in ...I don't know how long. I am in fact jealous that you can get out for 35+ miles every day. I can't, I'm still gainfully employed with a family and home I'm responsible for, so I have to squeeze in an hour a day if I'm lucky, and might get a 3 hour ride in on the weekends (both days if I'm really lucky). but, we all make choices in life, and my choices have resulted in me having a stable family and professional life - something many people are jealous of, so I don't think I'd trade places with you (not to mention you wouldn't be able to handle my situation).
>
> Of course, based on your resume, you've been able to get out and ride for 35 miles a day for most of your adult life. That's easy to romanticize, but at what cost?
While I was working I was still getting in 10,000 miles per year. My wife took the kids on a coast to coast ride. Then she took them halfway a cross the country so that they could compete in the Jr,. Olympics. The youngest got a 3rd.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:49:02 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
>> But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
>
>And that happens to be physical therapy for my injury in the service of my country that is proven with lung X-rays.
>
Yet another one of Tommy's dreams or perhaps evidence of actual mental
disability. Similar to his claim of being posted to the two Bomb
Groups that never existed.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 12:52:40 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:45:10 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:33:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
>> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
>> > > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
>> > Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
>> >
>> > -- Jay Beattie.
>> He has a breathing disability, yet he claims to ride his bike 35 miles+ almost everyday with 10,000 feet of climbing per ride, and passing riders 40 years younger than him on those climbs. I _hope_ I have that kind of breathing disability when I'm 80.
>>
>> from https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Nw6aZt0PpA8/m/Tvm9TArIAwAJ
>>
>> "After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on. This covered my hands with black grease from the Rock and Roll I put on that chain to wear it in before cleaning and waxing it. So I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. No soap and no hot water and no paper towels. So I have to take some toilet paper to wipe the grease off of my hands so that I didn't dirty the levers. When I came out they were just getting there. ....... Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape."
>
>I assume you feel the need to exaggerate my riding out of sheer envy.

No Tommy... it is called "ridicule".
--
Cheers,

John B.

funkma...@hotmail.com <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:52:42 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:45:10 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:33:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
>>>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the
>>>>>> government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
>>>>> But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a
>>>>> diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a
>>>>> building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone,
>>>>> comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone,
>>>>> solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
>>>>> computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
>>>> Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any
>>>> major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he
>>>> wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would
>>>> find offensive. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can
>>>> order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who
>>>> refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants
>>>> in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
>>>>
>>>> -- Jay Beattie.
>>> He has a breathing disability, yet he claims to ride his bike 35 miles+
>>> almost everyday with 10,000 feet of climbing per ride, and passing
>>> riders 40 years younger than him on those climbs. I _hope_ I have that
>>> kind of breathing disability when I'm 80.
>>>
>>> from https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Nw6aZt0PpA8/m/Tvm9TArIAwAJ
>>>
>>> "After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%. I watched two guys
>>> behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite
>>> the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it
>>> back on. This covered my hands with black grease from the Rock and Roll
>>> I put on that chain to wear it in before cleaning and waxing it. So I
>>> stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. No soap and no hot
>>> water and no paper towels. So I have to take some toilet paper to wipe
>>> the grease off of my hands so that I didn't dirty the levers. When I
>>> came out they were just getting there. ....... Young strong guys that
>>> haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape."
>> I assume you feel the need to exaggerate my riding out of sheer envy.
>
> That's pretty much the first thing you've gotten right in ...I don't know
> how long. I am in fact jealous that you can get out for 35+ miles every
> day. I can't, I'm still gainfully employed with a family and home I'm
> responsible for, so I have to squeeze in an hour a day if I'm lucky, and
> might get a 3 hour ride in on the weekends (both days if I'm really
> lucky). but, we all make choices in life, and my choices have resulted in
> me having a stable family and professional life - something many people
> are jealous of, so I don't think I'd trade places with you (not to
> mention you wouldn't be able to handle my situation).
>
> Of course, based on your resume, you've been able to get out and ride for
> 35 miles a day for most of your adult life. That's easy to romanticize, but at what cost?
>

You’ve interacted with Tom. I assume his social calendar allows lots of
riding time.

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:33:42 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
> Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive.. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
>
> -- Jay Beattie.

Jay, does that cause the women and girls in Costco to run towards you? Or away from you?

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-5, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?

Who on earth thinks Tommy boy can "balance accounts" or "cooperate" or "solve equations" or "analyze a new problem"? I assure you, no one who has read many of his posts on this bicycling forum. As for "pitch manure"? YES YES YES with a resounding YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Although we should probably change manure to the more coarse, vulgar term for manure.

On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:45:10 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:33:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> > > > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
> > > Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
> > >
> > > -- Jay Beattie.
> > He has a breathing disability, yet he claims to ride his bike 35 miles+ almost everyday with 10,000 feet of climbing per ride, and passing riders 40 years younger than him on those climbs. I _hope_ I have that kind of breathing disability when I'm 80.
> >
> > from https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Nw6aZt0PpA8/m/Tvm9TArIAwAJ
> >
> > "After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on.. This covered my hands with black grease from the Rock and Roll I put on that chain to wear it in before cleaning and waxing it. So I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. No soap and no hot water and no paper towels. So I have to take some toilet paper to wipe the grease off of my hands so that I didn't dirty the levers. When I came out they were just getting there. ....... Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape."
> I assume you feel the need to exaggerate my riding out of sheer envy.

Tommy, its not "funkma..." who was exaggerating. It was YOU!!!!! Did you click on the link he included in his post and read what YOU wrote? If Greg Lemond or Andy Hampsten had posted what you wrote, people would have been a bit skeptical and doubtful about the validity.

On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 13:01:07 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:33:42 PM UTC-5, jbeattie wrote:
>> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
>> > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
>> Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
>>
>> -- Jay Beattie.
>
>Jay, does that cause the women and girls in Costco to run towards you? Or away from you?

Or giggle?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 1:05:51 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:26:59 PM UTC-5, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
> Who on earth thinks Tommy boy can "balance accounts" or "cooperate" or "solve equations" or "analyze a new problem"? I assure you, no one who has read many of his posts on this bicycling forum. As for "pitch manure"? YES YES YES with a resounding YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Although we should probably change manure to the more coarse, vulgar term for manure.
Pencil neck, you've already shown that you know nothing about anything. You probably have trouble figuring out how to use a fork.

On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 1:13:03 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:45:10 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:33:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> > > > > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
> > > > Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
> > > >
> > > > -- Jay Beattie.
> > > He has a breathing disability, yet he claims to ride his bike 35 miles+ almost everyday with 10,000 feet of climbing per ride, and passing riders 40 years younger than him on those climbs. I _hope_ I have that kind of breathing disability when I'm 80.
> > >
> > > from https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Nw6aZt0PpA8/m/Tvm9TArIAwAJ
> > >
> > > "After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on. This covered my hands with black grease from the Rock and Roll I put on that chain to wear it in before cleaning and waxing it. So I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. No soap and no hot water and no paper towels. So I have to take some toilet paper to wipe the grease off of my hands so that I didn't dirty the levers. When I came out they were just getting there. ....... Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape."
> > I assume you feel the need to exaggerate my riding out of sheer envy.
> Tommy, its not "funkma..." who was exaggerating. It was YOU!!!!! Did you click on the link he included in his post and read what YOU wrote? If Greg Lemond or Andy Hampsten had posted what you wrote, people would have been a bit skeptical and doubtful about the validity.
Since you're talking about that citation maybe you should have read it yourself. But of course you didn't since you missed the entire point of it. And you expect us to believe that you're a rider.

On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 6:17:19 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 1:13:03 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:45:10 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:33:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> > > > > > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
> > > > > Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Jay Beattie.
> > > > He has a breathing disability, yet he claims to ride his bike 35 miles+ almost everyday with 10,000 feet of climbing per ride, and passing riders 40 years younger than him on those climbs. I _hope_ I have that kind of breathing disability when I'm 80.
> > > >
> > > > from https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Nw6aZt0PpA8/m/Tvm9TArIAwAJ
> > > >
> > > > "After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on. This covered my hands with black grease from the Rock and Roll I put on that chain to wear it in before cleaning and waxing it. So I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. No soap and no hot water and no paper towels. So I have to take some toilet paper to wipe the grease off of my hands so that I didn't dirty the levers. When I came out they were just getting there. ....... Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape."
> > > I assume you feel the need to exaggerate my riding out of sheer envy.
> > Tommy, its not "funkma..." who was exaggerating. It was YOU!!!!! Did you click on the link he included in his post and read what YOU wrote? If Greg Lemond or Andy Hampsten had posted what you wrote, people would have been a bit skeptical and doubtful about the validity.
> Since you're talking about that citation maybe you should have read it yourself. But of course you didn't since you missed the entire point of it. And you expect us to believe that you're a rider.

Tommy, tommy, tommy. I did read what you previously wrote and posted. Thus my comments about you bragging more than Greg and Andy. Who actually did something to brag about. Since you again do not believe facts and evidence, I will post some of your more boastful comments from that prior post. See below:

1. Thursday I was passed in the final 1/4 mile by a guy that had been giving it everything he had for the last 2 miles to pass me.
2. At the top he had so exhausted himself that he couldn't move as I shifted into high gear and descended the other side at 37 mph and that is very slow compared to the speed I used to descend that area at.
3. He caught me again after 7 miles after I had been held up by three stoplights.
4. After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%.
5. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on.
6. I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. When I came out they were just getting there.
7. Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape.

My oh my. I did not realize until posting this that you were almost non stop bragging. Tommy boy you must be a manly man amongst the boys, or the biggest liar in the land. Wonder which it is? Tell us Tommy boy, does the sun rise and set on your brow each day?

On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 12:54:47 PM UTC-7, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 6:17:19 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 1:13:03 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:45:10 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail..com wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:33:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> > > > > > > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
> > > > > > Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -- Jay Beattie.
> > > > > He has a breathing disability, yet he claims to ride his bike 35 miles+ almost everyday with 10,000 feet of climbing per ride, and passing riders 40 years younger than him on those climbs. I _hope_ I have that kind of breathing disability when I'm 80.
> > > > >
> > > > > from https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Nw6aZt0PpA8/m/Tvm9TArIAwAJ
> > > > >
> > > > > "After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on. This covered my hands with black grease from the Rock and Roll I put on that chain to wear it in before cleaning and waxing it. So I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. No soap and no hot water and no paper towels. So I have to take some toilet paper to wipe the grease off of my hands so that I didn't dirty the levers. When I came out they were just getting there. ....... Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape."
> > > > I assume you feel the need to exaggerate my riding out of sheer envy.
> > > Tommy, its not "funkma..." who was exaggerating. It was YOU!!!!! Did you click on the link he included in his post and read what YOU wrote? If Greg Lemond or Andy Hampsten had posted what you wrote, people would have been a bit skeptical and doubtful about the validity.
> > Since you're talking about that citation maybe you should have read it yourself. But of course you didn't since you missed the entire point of it. And you expect us to believe that you're a rider.
> Tommy, tommy, tommy. I did read what you previously wrote and posted. Thus my comments about you bragging more than Greg and Andy. Who actually did something to brag about. Since you again do not believe facts and evidence, I will post some of your more boastful comments from that prior post. See below:
>
> 1. Thursday I was passed in the final 1/4 mile by a guy that had been giving it everything he had for the last 2 miles to pass me.
> 2. At the top he had so exhausted himself that he couldn't move as I shifted into high gear and descended the other side at 37 mph and that is very slow compared to the speed I used to descend that area at.
> 3. He caught me again after 7 miles after I had been held up by three stoplights.
> 4. After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%.
> 5. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on.
> 6. I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. When I came out they were just getting there.
> 7. Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape.
>
> My oh my. I did not realize until posting this that you were almost non stop bragging. Tommy boy you must be a manly man amongst the boys, or the biggest liar in the land. Wonder which it is? Tell us Tommy boy, does the sun rise and set on your brow each day?

What is clear is that you ride so little and are so incompetent at it that you think discussing a ride is bragging. I wonder why you don't realize what an incompetent twit you are.

On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 12:54:45 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 6:17:19 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 1:13:03 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:45:10 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:33:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
>> > > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
>> > > > > > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
>> > > > > Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -- Jay Beattie.
>> > > > He has a breathing disability, yet he claims to ride his bike 35 miles+ almost everyday with 10,000 feet of climbing per ride, and passing riders 40 years younger than him on those climbs. I _hope_ I have that kind of breathing disability when I'm 80.
>> > > >
>> > > > from https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Nw6aZt0PpA8/m/Tvm9TArIAwAJ
>> > > >
>> > > > "After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on. This covered my hands with black grease from the Rock and Roll I put on that chain to wear it in before cleaning and waxing it. So I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. No soap and no hot water and no paper towels. So I have to take some toilet paper to wipe the grease off of my hands so that I didn't dirty the levers. When I came out they were just getting there. ....... Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape."
>> > > I assume you feel the need to exaggerate my riding out of sheer envy.
>> > Tommy, its not "funkma..." who was exaggerating. It was YOU!!!!! Did you click on the link he included in his post and read what YOU wrote? If Greg Lemond or Andy Hampsten had posted what you wrote, people would have been a bit skeptical and doubtful about the validity.
>> Since you're talking about that citation maybe you should have read it yourself. But of course you didn't since you missed the entire point of it. And you expect us to believe that you're a rider.
>
>Tommy, tommy, tommy. I did read what you previously wrote and posted. Thus my comments about you bragging more than Greg and Andy. Who actually did something to brag about. Since you again do not believe facts and evidence, I will post some of your more boastful comments from that prior post. See below:
>
>1. Thursday I was passed in the final 1/4 mile by a guy that had been giving it everything he had for the last 2 miles to pass me.
>2. At the top he had so exhausted himself that he couldn't move as I shifted into high gear and descended the other side at 37 mph and that is very slow compared to the speed I used to descend that area at.
>3. He caught me again after 7 miles after I had been held up by three stoplights.
>4. After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%.
>5. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on.
>6. I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. When I came out they were just getting there.
>7. Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape.
>
>My oh my. I did not realize until posting this that you were almost non stop bragging. Tommy boy you must be a manly man amongst the boys, or the biggest liar in the land. Wonder which it is? Tell us Tommy boy, does the sun rise and set on your brow each day?

Pretty impressive for a bloke that is nearly 80 years old, isn't it.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, October 31, 2021 at 3:52:14 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 12:54:45 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 6:17:19 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, October 30, 2021 at 1:13:03 PM UTC-7, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:52:42 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:45:10 PM UTC-7, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 3:33:42 PM UTC-4, jbeattie wrote:
> >> > > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 12:26:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > > > > > On Friday, October 29, 2021 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I happen to have a breathing disability and short of suing the government I cannot get them to even consider any exceptions.
> >> > > > > > But...............you can ride a bike? Run a marathon? change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly?
> >> > > > > Yes, it hardly sounds like his claimed breathing problems limit any major life activity, and the reasonable accommodation would be that he wears a face shield or some other emblem of subjugation that he would find offensive. Reasonable accommodation is not a free pass. He can order on-line and pick-up at the curb like the other protesters who refuse to wear a face mask at Costco. Personally, I don't wear pants in Costco because I WAS BORN IN A FREE COUNTRY!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -- Jay Beattie.
> >> > > > He has a breathing disability, yet he claims to ride his bike 35 miles+ almost everyday with 10,000 feet of climbing per ride, and passing riders 40 years younger than him on those climbs. I _hope_ I have that kind of breathing disability when I'm 80.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > from https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Nw6aZt0PpA8/m/Tvm9TArIAwAJ
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on. This covered my hands with black grease from the Rock and Roll I put on that chain to wear it in before cleaning and waxing it. So I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. No soap and no hot water and no paper towels. So I have to take some toilet paper to wipe the grease off of my hands so that I didn't dirty the levers. When I came out they were just getting there. ....... Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape."
> >> > > I assume you feel the need to exaggerate my riding out of sheer envy.
> >> > Tommy, its not "funkma..." who was exaggerating. It was YOU!!!!! Did you click on the link he included in his post and read what YOU wrote? If Greg Lemond or Andy Hampsten had posted what you wrote, people would have been a bit skeptical and doubtful about the validity.
> >> Since you're talking about that citation maybe you should have read it yourself. But of course you didn't since you missed the entire point of it.. And you expect us to believe that you're a rider.
> >
> >Tommy, tommy, tommy. I did read what you previously wrote and posted. Thus my comments about you bragging more than Greg and Andy. Who actually did something to brag about. Since you again do not believe facts and evidence, I will post some of your more boastful comments from that prior post. See below:
> >
> >1. Thursday I was passed in the final 1/4 mile by a guy that had been giving it everything he had for the last 2 miles to pass me.
> >2. At the top he had so exhausted himself that he couldn't move as I shifted into high gear and descended the other side at 37 mph and that is very slow compared to the speed I used to descend that area at.
> >3. He caught me again after 7 miles after I had been held up by three stoplights.
> >4. After than I had another 2 mile climb of up to 12%.
> >5. I watched two guys behind me riding as hard as they could. They couldn't catch me despite the fact that I threw a chain to the inside and had to stop and put it back on.
> >6. I stopped at a lavatory at the top to wash my hands. When I came out they were just getting there.
> >7. Young strong guys that haven't ridden enough in the year to get into climbing shape.
> >
> >My oh my. I did not realize until posting this that you were almost non stop bragging. Tommy boy you must be a manly man amongst the boys, or the biggest liar in the land. Wonder which it is? Tell us Tommy boy, does the sun rise and set on your brow each day?
> Pretty impressive for a bloke that is nearly 80 years old, isn't it.

Hey, maybe its true. I rode with this guy in his mid-late 70s who was pretty damned fast -- and cagey, too. When the group hit the hilly section, he took a short cut and met us on the other side and then continued to go fast. I thought he was going to win nationals, but he didn't -- there was some other old coot who was even faster. Maybe Tom is some prodigy. He should go race and clean house in the old-guy ranks. He could win an $11.43 prime or a water bottle or something. I once won an entire cardboard box of Kettle Chips. Mmmmm. Kettle Chips. My wife won all sorts of swag -- even some yoghurt once. She won the state games and got a medal but doesn't remember where she put it. If Tom is fast, he could live like a king.

-- Jay Beattie.