All common consumer operating systems update in asynchronous layers.
*Except for the primitive iOS monolith*

That's just a basic fact.

It's a basic fact that takes adult cognitive skills to comprehend...

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>>> So you contend they should support every OS forever, then?
>>
>> I do.
>>
>> So should Samsung, Motorola, and everybody else, I make no distinctions.
>>
>
> I think they should at least offer free updates if there's a security
> problem.

Hi candycanearter07,

I'm going to assume you own adult cognitive skills in my post below.

I do not know if you own adult cognition - but I know morons like Alan
Baker and Carlos and even Steve Scharf & Frank Slootweg don't own it.

What these morons don't understand is _how_ operating systems update.
Android updates, much like Windows does... in asynchronous layers.

For example, due to Project Treble, the Qualcomm drivers are updated, over
the Internet, via the Google Play Store update mechanism, asynchronously.

Just like Windows drivers are updated completely outside the realm of the
operating system support itself - such that the support is essentially
forever [1].

This happens with Android & with Windows - but not with the primitive
monolithic slab that iOS is - where those drivers are not updated if the
device can't be updated to iOS 17 (i.e., to the latest single iOS release).

Same with the key apps such as Chrome, GMail, YouTube, etc., all of which
are updated in Windows and Android completely asynchronously of the
operating system support.

More importantly, there are 34 core modules of Android (the number grows
with every Android release starting with Android 10) which are also updated
forever [1] asynchronously (and these are all donated to the AOSP such that
the support - were it to ever waver - would _still_ go on by the community.

Look up Project Mainline (which has changed names over the years).

All this is how Android updates the operating system in layers.

It's NOT how the primitive iOS monolith updates - which - again - takes an
adult level of cognition to comprehend as iOS updates as a rigid monolith.

In short, correct understanding of how operating systems update takes an
adult set of cognitive skills - simply because only iOS is a monolith.

The rest of the common consumer operating systems update in asynchronous
layers (most of which are supported forever [1]).

Very few posters to this newsgroup own the adult cognitive skills to
understand a single word that I said above. Do you?
--
[1] Forever here means far longer than the hardware will last but with no
EOL date specified such that the support easily outlasts our need for it.

On 2023-09-27 08:32, Wally J wrote:
> All common consumer operating systems update in asynchronous layers.

Arlen shows that he doesn't understand what "asynchronous layers" means.

On 9/27/23 10:32, Wally J wrote:
> All common consumer operating systems update in asynchronous layers.
> *Except for the primitive iOS monolith*
>
> That's just a basic fact.
>
> It's a basic fact that takes adult cognitive skills to comprehend...
>
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>
>>>> So you contend they should support every OS forever, then?
>>>
>>> I do.
>>>
>>> So should Samsung, Motorola, and everybody else, I make no distinctions.
>>>
>>
>> I think they should at least offer free updates if there's a security
>> problem.
>
> Hi candycanearter07,
>
> I'm going to assume you own adult cognitive skills in my post below.
>
> I do not know if you own adult cognition - but I know morons like Alan
> Baker and Carlos and even Steve Scharf & Frank Slootweg don't own it.
>
> What these morons don't understand is _how_ operating systems update.
> Android updates, much like Windows does... in asynchronous layers.
>
> For example, due to Project Treble, the Qualcomm drivers are updated, over
> the Internet, via the Google Play Store update mechanism, asynchronously.

It uses the Play Store? I assumed it would use the same mechanic as the
base system. (Then again I haven't been able to use Android in a while)

> Just like Windows drivers are updated completely outside the realm of the
> operating system support itself - such that the support is essentially
> forever [1].

Good ol' plug and play. Windows has been doing it since the 90s

> This happens with Android & with Windows - but not with the primitive
> monolithic slab that iOS is - where those drivers are not updated if the
> device can't be updated to iOS 17 (i.e., to the latest single iOS release).
>
> Same with the key apps such as Chrome, GMail, YouTube, etc., all of which
> are updated in Windows and Android completely asynchronously of the
> operating system support.

Is there a gmail or youtube app for Windows? Also yeah, those are
completely separate from the base OS (unless you have a google phone) so
slightly a given. Still get what you're saying tho

> More importantly, there are 34 core modules of Android (the number grows
> with every Android release starting with Android 10) which are also updated
> forever [1] asynchronously (and these are all donated to the AOSP such that
> the support - were it to ever waver - would _still_ go on by the community.
>
> Look up Project Mainline (which has changed names over the years).
>
> All this is how Android updates the operating system in layers.
> > It's NOT how the primitive iOS monolith updates - which - again -
takes an
> adult level of cognition to comprehend as iOS updates as a rigid monolith.
>

So, like the updates are forced into one package instead of having
separated updates that are just installed at the same time?

> In short, correct understanding of how operating systems update takes an
> adult set of cognitive skills - simply because only iOS is a monolith.
>
> The rest of the common consumer operating systems update in asynchronous
> layers (most of which are supported forever [1]).
>
> Very few posters to this newsgroup own the adult cognitive skills to
> understand a single word that I said above. Do you?

I tthink
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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>> For example, due to Project Treble, the Qualcomm drivers are updated, over
>> the Internet, via the Google Play Store update mechanism, asynchronously.
>
> It uses the Play Store? I assumed it would use the same mechanic as the
> base system.

This message assumes the reader owns basic _adult_ cognitive skills.

Bear in mind it takes adult cognition to comprehend why Apple has the
absolutely worst operating system support - when you understand the OS.

...But to answer your specific question...

It's actually not the play store, per se - but an underlying "mechanism"
using one key component of the play store (google services framework)...

... however ...

Given the almost total lack of technical understanding on this newsgroup,
suffice to say it's the Google Play Store which is updating the modules.

Look it up to realize Apple has the absolute _worst_ operating system
support when you know how Apple supports iOS & macOS - which iKooks do not.

Treble:
<https://www.computerworld.com/article/3306443/what-is-project-treble-android-upgrade-fix-explained.html>
Mainline:
<https://www.xda-developers.com/android-project-mainline-modules-explanation/>

There's no excuse for an _adult_ to not be cognizant that Apple has the
worst operating system support of all common consumer operating systems.

> (Then again I haven't been able to use Android in a while)

Why not?

While it's miserable to try to do anything on an iPhone, particularly when
you're _not_ logged 24/7/365 into Apple's mothership tracking servers...

It's a joy to do whatever it is that you want to do on Android.

Like this...
<https://i.postimg.cc/pLLD28Ny/icon01.jpg> Android changes DEFAULT icons
<https://i.postimg.cc/HLJXMgkg/icon02.jpg> Edit default Shortcut icons
<https://i.postimg.cc/kG72T3qD/icon03.jpg> Change the name and/or icon
<https://i.postimg.cc/zvkgND0n/icon04.jpg> iOS is crippled & can't do this
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5s60RZH/icon05.jpg> Android gives you full control

All of which is completely impossible on the Barbie-doll OS called iOS.
People who enjoy iOS are never people who understand a thing about iOS.

And that's ok.
An idiot is born every minute.

Just don't be one.
That's all.

>> Just like Windows drivers are updated completely outside the realm of the
>> operating system support itself - such that the support is essentially
>> forever [1].
>
> Good ol' plug and play. Windows has been doing it since the 90s

If you want to load a driver onto Windows, you most likely can.
No matter what the operating system is, right?

You can't do that with the primitive stone-age iOS monolith.

When you comprehend why - then - and only then - will you being to
understand why it's a fact Apple's OS support is the worst in the industry.

> Is there a gmail or youtube app for Windows? Also yeah, those are
> completely separate from the base OS (unless you have a google phone) so
> slightly a given. Still get what you're saying tho...

The point you seem to have gotten which is that the operating system is a
complex assemblage of components, the highest level of which are the
default apps and the lowest levels are the hotfix patches - with many
intermediary levels such as the Project Treble hardware drivers and the
Project Mainline operating system components (currently 34 or so packages).

With iOS - you lose that full support the _instant_ a new iOS releases.
Tick... tock... Boom!. You're dead.

The primitive toy-OS called iOS instantly turns to shit when the next
operating system releases (which is currently iOS 17).

Any iPhone, for example, that can't load iOS 17 (which is any iPhone older
than the XR) is instantly a piece of shit in that it's full of known holes.

You think there isn't an obvious reason why iOS is exploited in the while
ten times more than is Android?

The reason is iOS is the most insecure smartphone operating system.
That's just a fact.

> So, like the updates are forced into one package instead of having
> separated updates that are just installed at the same time?

Android is updated, like all modern operating systems are updated...
... in layers ... asynchronously...
>> Very few posters to this newsgroup own the adult cognitive skills to
>> understand a single word that I said above. Do you?
>
> I tthink

Take a look at just _some_ of the references that result from this search.
Treble: <https://duckduckgo.com/?va=n&hps=1&q=android+project+treble>
Mainline: <https://duckduckgo.com/?va=n&hps=1&q=android+project+mainline>

The ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks have never read any of that.
They only say bbbbbuuuuttttt Apple told me they are good to me.

Guess what? *Apple has the _worst_ (by far!) OS support in the industry.*
But you have to understand details in order to comprehend that statement.

On 9/27/2023 10:29 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:

> Is there a gmail or youtube app for Windows?

You can get a YouTube app version to run on Windows. It is a bit of a
convoluted procedure though. Go to the Microsoft Store and Push the
download button for the You Tube app. It will automatically install the
Windows Subsystem for Android after which it will take you to the Amazon
Appstore where you will have to sign in to your Amazon Account. There
you'll have access to a reduced amount of the Amazon Appstore's Android
apps that will now run on your Windows machine of which the YouTube app
is one. It looks different to me but Google is the listed author so you
be the judge...

On 9/27/23 17:07, AJL wrote:
> On 9/27/2023 10:29 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Is there a gmail or youtube app for Windows?
>
> You can get a YouTube app version to run on Windows. It is a bit of a
> convoluted procedure though. Go to the Microsoft Store and Push the
> download button for the You Tube app. It will automatically install the
> Windows Subsystem for Android after which it will take you to the Amazon
> Appstore where you will have to sign in to your Amazon Account. There
> you'll have access to a reduced amount of the Amazon Appstore's Android
> apps that will now run on your Windows machine of which the YouTube app
> is one. It looks different to me but Google is the listed author so you
> be the judge...
>

Why would you use the dumbed down mobile app?
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On 9/27/2023 3:16 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/27/23 17:07, AJL wrote:
>> On 9/27/2023 10:29 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a gmail or youtube app for Windows?
>>
>> You can get a YouTube app version to run on Windows. It is a bit of a
>> convoluted procedure though. Go to the Microsoft Store and Push the
>> download button for the You Tube app. It will automatically install the
>> Windows Subsystem for Android after which it will take you to the Amazon
>> Appstore where you will have to sign in to your Amazon Account. There
>> you'll have access to a reduced amount of the Amazon Appstore's Android
>> apps that will now run on your Windows machine of which the YouTube app
>> is one. It looks different to me but Google is the listed author so you
>> be the judge...
>>
>
> Why would you use the dumbed down mobile app?

I don't.

You're the one that asked the question about a YouTube app for Windows
and apparently I wasted my time in answering it. Won't happen again...

On 9/27/23 17:24, AJL wrote:
> On 9/27/2023 3:16 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 9/27/23 17:07, AJL wrote:
>>> On 9/27/2023 10:29 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is there a gmail or youtube app for Windows?
>>>
>>> You can get a YouTube app version to run on Windows. It is a bit of a
>>> convoluted procedure though. Go to the Microsoft Store and Push the
>>> download button for the You Tube app. It will automatically install the
>>> Windows Subsystem for Android after which it will take you to the Amazon
>>> Appstore where you will have to sign in to your Amazon Account. There
>>> you'll have access to a reduced amount of the Amazon Appstore's Android
>>> apps that will now run on your Windows machine of which the YouTube app
>>> is one. It looks different to me but Google is the listed author so you
>>> be the judge...
>>>
>>
>> Why would you use the dumbed down mobile app?
>
> I don't.
>
> You're the one that asked the question about a YouTube app for Windows
> and apparently I wasted my time in answering it. Won't happen again...
>

I don't either. Sorry
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AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote

>> Is there a gmail or youtube app for Windows?
>
> You can get a YouTube app version to run on Windows. It is a bit of a
> convoluted procedure though. Go to the Microsoft Store and Push the
> download button for the You Tube app. It will automatically install the
> Windows Subsystem for Android after which it will take you to the Amazon
> Appstore where you will have to sign in to your Amazon Account. There
> you'll have access to a reduced amount of the Amazon Appstore's Android
> apps that will now run on your Windows machine of which the YouTube app
> is one. It looks different to me but Google is the listed author so you
> be the judge...

Android can do anything - just like Windows & Linux can do everything.
(Of all common operating systems, only iOS can't do what the rest can.)

Personally what I do to display any Android app on Windows is this...
<https://i.postimg.cc/g2yNftw0/scrcpy15.jpg> YouTube sound/video on Windows

Works for my iPads too.
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYvqdxCT/vysor35.jpg> iOS & Android PC mirroring

If I wanted to "Run" it, I'd use Genymotion emulation.
<https://i.postimg.cc/056zRLBY/emulate01.jpg> Android app on Windows
<https://i.postimg.cc/XqBY6xT8/emulated02.jpg> Windows HDD on Android
<https://i.postimg.cc/1zsvNCRj/emulate03.jpg> Download YouTube video

If interested, I have plenty of Windows tutorials on the subsystems,
and I have even more tutorials on running any Android app on Windows.

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>>> Why would you use the dumbed down mobile app?
>>
>> I don't.
>>
>> You're the one that asked the question about a YouTube app for Windows
>> and apparently I wasted my time in answering it. Won't happen again...
>>
>
> I don't either. Sorry

This message contains excellent advice one person out of thousands knows.
Maybe millions - depending on how ignorant the populace is overall.

1. The YouTube app is so atrocious, it's deleted from my unrooted Android.
C:\> adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.google.android.youtube

2. However, the NewPipe YouTube-skin is the best app on Android! (IMHO).

This FOSS YouTube skin does everything you could possibly want it to do!
*NewPipe* by Schabi (FOSS YouTube client)
<https://newpipe.net/>
<https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/>
<https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe>

Here are some screenshots to illustrate what NewPipe does for you.
<https://i.postimg.cc/g0wQpDwx/newpipe01.jpg> NewPipe FOSS YouTube client
<https://i.postimg.cc/2yYK4N0W/newpipe02.jpg> Picture in Picture
<https://i.postimg.cc/90BNbgkn/newpipe03.jpg> Allow overlay display
<https://i.postimg.cc/J4h8nWFy/newpipe04.jpg> Stop & Disable YouTube
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw4cxNNx/newpipe05.jpg> Block & Firewall YouTube

I know Android apps likely better than everyone else here combined.
a. If you want privacy while using YouTube - NewPipe is your app.
b. If you want downloading & ripping on YouTube - NewPipe is your app.
c. If you want to subscribe without an account - NewPipe is your app.

As far as I'm aware, there is nothing you could possibly want out of a
YouTube skin that NewPipe doesn't do - but if there is - let me know.

When displaying the sound and video onto Windows, you get the full
capability of your powered speakers and your huge desktop monitor
(plus the use of the mouse, keyboard and the PC/Android clipboards).
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On 9/27/23 14:21, Wally J wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>
>>> For example, due to Project Treble, the Qualcomm drivers are updated, over
>>> the Internet, via the Google Play Store update mechanism, asynchronously.
>>
>> It uses the Play Store? I assumed it would use the same mechanic as the
>> base system.
>
> This message assumes the reader owns basic _adult_ cognitive skills.
>
> Bear in mind it takes adult cognition to comprehend why Apple has the
> absolutely worst operating system support - when you understand the OS.
>
> ...But to answer your specific question...
>
> It's actually not the play store, per se - but an underlying "mechanism"
> using one key component of the play store (google services framework)...
>
> ... however ...
>
> Given the almost total lack of technical understanding on this newsgroup,
> suffice to say it's the Google Play Store which is updating the modules.
>
> Look it up to realize Apple has the absolute _worst_ operating system
> support when you know how Apple supports iOS & macOS - which iKooks do not.
>
> Treble:
> <https://www.computerworld.com/article/3306443/what-is-project-treble-android-upgrade-fix-explained.html>
> Mainline:
> <https://www.xda-developers.com/android-project-mainline-modules-explanation/>
>
> There's no excuse for an _adult_ to not be cognizant that Apple has the
> worst operating system support of all common consumer operating systems.
>
>> (Then again I haven't been able to use Android in a while)
>
> Why not?

Family pressure

>
> While it's miserable to try to do anything on an iPhone, particularly when
> you're _not_ logged 24/7/365 into Apple's mothership tracking servers...
>
> It's a joy to do whatever it is that you want to do on Android.
>
> Like this...
> <https://i.postimg.cc/pLLD28Ny/icon01.jpg> Android changes DEFAULT icons
> <https://i.postimg.cc/HLJXMgkg/icon02.jpg> Edit default Shortcut icons
> <https://i.postimg.cc/kG72T3qD/icon03.jpg> Change the name and/or icon
> <https://i.postimg.cc/zvkgND0n/icon04.jpg> iOS is crippled & can't do this
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Z5s60RZH/icon05.jpg> Android gives you full control
>
> All of which is completely impossible on the Barbie-doll OS called iOS.
> People who enjoy iOS are never people who understand a thing about iOS.
>
> And that's ok.
> An idiot is born every minute.
>
> Just don't be one.
> That's all.
>
>>> Just like Windows drivers are updated completely outside the realm of the
>>> operating system support itself - such that the support is essentially
>>> forever [1].
>>
>> Good ol' plug and play. Windows has been doing it since the 90s
>
> If you want to load a driver onto Windows, you most likely can.
> No matter what the operating system is, right?
>

Unless it's Linux sometimes (buts that's more a support issue)..

> You can't do that with the primitive stone-age iOS monolith.
>
> When you comprehend why - then - and only then - will you being to
> understand why it's a fact Apple's OS support is the worst in the industry.
>
>> Is there a gmail or youtube app for Windows? Also yeah, those are
>> completely separate from the base OS (unless you have a google phone) so
>> slightly a given. Still get what you're saying tho...
>
> The point you seem to have gotten which is that the operating system is a
> complex assemblage of components, the highest level of which are the
> default apps and the lowest levels are the hotfix patches - with many
> intermediary levels such as the Project Treble hardware drivers and the
> Project Mainline operating system components (currently 34 or so packages).
>

Right, libraries are a good design philosophy.

> With iOS - you lose that full support the _instant_ a new iOS releases.
> Tick... tock... Boom!. You're dead.
>
> The primitive toy-OS called iOS instantly turns to shit when the next
> operating system releases (which is currently iOS 17).
>
> Any iPhone, for example, that can't load iOS 17 (which is any iPhone older
> than the XR) is instantly a piece of shit in that it's full of known holes.
>
> You think there isn't an obvious reason why iOS is exploited in the while
> ten times more than is Android?
>
> The reason is iOS is the most insecure smartphone operating system.
> That's just a fact.
>
>> So, like the updates are forced into one package instead of having
>> separated updates that are just installed at the same time?
>
> Android is updated, like all modern operating systems are updated...
> ... in layers ... asynchronously...
>
>>> Very few posters to this newsgroup own the adult cognitive skills to
>>> understand a single word that I said above. Do you?
>>
>> I tthink
>
> Take a look at just _some_ of the references that result from this search.
> Treble: <https://duckduckgo.com/?va=n&hps=1&q=android+project+treble>
> Mainline: <https://duckduckgo.com/?va=n&hps=1&q=android+project+mainline>
>
> The ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks have never read any of that.
> They only say bbbbbuuuuttttt Apple told me they are good to me.
>
> Guess what? *Apple has the _worst_ (by far!) OS support in the industry.*
> But you have to understand details in order to comprehend that statement.

Seems so yea
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On 9/27/23 18:13, Wally J wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>
>>>> Why would you use the dumbed down mobile app?
>>>
>>> I don't.
>>>
>>> You're the one that asked the question about a YouTube app for Windows
>>> and apparently I wasted my time in answering it. Won't happen again...
>>>
>>
>> I don't either. Sorry
>
> This message contains excellent advice one person out of thousands knows.
> Maybe millions - depending on how ignorant the populace is overall.
>

Like don't use the Windows Store.

> 1. The YouTube app is so atrocious, it's deleted from my unrooted Android.
> C:\> adb shell pm uninstall -k --user 0 com.google.android.youtube
>
> 2. However, the NewPipe YouTube-skin is the best app on Android! (IMHO).
>
> This FOSS YouTube skin does everything you could possibly want it to do!
> *NewPipe* by Schabi (FOSS YouTube client)
> <https://newpipe.net/>
> <https://f-droid.org/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/>
> <https://github.com/TeamNewPipe/NewPipe>
>
> Here are some screenshots to illustrate what NewPipe does for you.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/g0wQpDwx/newpipe01.jpg> NewPipe FOSS YouTube client
> <https://i.postimg.cc/2yYK4N0W/newpipe02.jpg> Picture in Picture
> <https://i.postimg.cc/90BNbgkn/newpipe03.jpg> Allow overlay display
> <https://i.postimg.cc/J4h8nWFy/newpipe04.jpg> Stop & Disable YouTube
> <https://i.postimg.cc/rw4cxNNx/newpipe05.jpg> Block & Firewall YouTube
>
> I know Android apps likely better than everyone else here combined.
> a. If you want privacy while using YouTube - NewPipe is your app.
> b. If you want downloading & ripping on YouTube - NewPipe is your app.
> c. If you want to subscribe without an account - NewPipe is your app.
>
> As far as I'm aware, there is nothing you could possibly want out of a
> YouTube skin that NewPipe doesn't do - but if there is - let me know.
>

Open source development ftw

> When displaying the sound and video onto Windows, you get the full
> capability of your powered speakers and your huge desktop monitor
> (plus the use of the mouse, keyboard and the PC/Android clipboards).

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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>> This message contains excellent advice one person out of thousands knows.
>> Maybe millions - depending on how ignorant the populace is overall.
>>
>
> Like don't use the Windows Store.

The Windows store is like iOS.
It's for morons who know absolutely nothing about computers.

>> As far as I'm aware, there is nothing you could possibly want out of a
>> YouTube skin that NewPipe doesn't do - but if there is - let me know.
>>
>
> Open source development ftw

If a person watches YouTube videos, then there is no better app.
<https://newpipe.net/>

There's nothing like is on iOS, for example.

Apple doesn't allow this powerful functionality.
Google can't stop it.

Therein lies the fundamental difference between the Barbie-doll toy iOS,
... and Android ...
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On 9/28/23 00:51, Wally J wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>
>>> This message contains excellent advice one person out of thousands knows.
>>> Maybe millions - depending on how ignorant the populace is overall.
>>>
>>
>> Like don't use the Windows Store.
>
> The Windows store is like iOS.
> It's for morons who know absolutely nothing about computers.
>

It's way worse than iOS in my opinion, especially since you can just not
use it.

>>> As far as I'm aware, there is nothing you could possibly want out of a
>>> YouTube skin that NewPipe doesn't do - but if there is - let me know.
>>>
>>
>> Open source development ftw
>
> If a person watches YouTube videos, then there is no better app.
> <https://newpipe.net/>
>
> There's nothing like is on iOS, for example.
>
> Apple doesn't allow this powerful functionality.
> Google can't stop it.
>
> Therein lies the fundamental difference between the Barbie-doll toy iOS,
> ... and Android ...

Choice. And also kinda free market.
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