On 10/21/23 10:32 PM, AJL wrote:
> On 10/21/2023 10:04 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 10/21/23 7:25 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>
>>> If you think I'm going out of my way to dispose of every single AA
>>> battery, think again ...
>
>> Our city public library accepts them. I save up a jarful and then
>> contribute. They also take spectacles.
>
> My garbage company advises to dispose of used Alkaline
> batteries in the regular trash...

I'm in favor of recycling whenever possible, although I believe that
most of what we put in our recycling bins ends up in the landfill
anyway. I believe that there are actual facilities for recycling
batteries, though. Same with cardboard, aluminum cans and concrete.

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On 10/22/23 12:19 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 22.10.23 um 07:32 schrieb AJL:
>> On 10/21/2023 10:04 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 10/21/23 7:25 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>>> If you think I'm going out of my way to dispose of every single AA
>>>> battery, think again ...
>>
>>> Our city public library accepts them. I save up a jarful and then
>>> contribute. They also take spectacles.
>>
>> My garbage company advises to dispose of used Alkaline
>> batteries in the regular trash...
>
> Tell me that this is not true!

Some governmental entities just provide one can for everything -- yard
waste, garbage, recyclables -- and sort it out at the facility. I find
that difficult to believe.

There's no shortage of canyons to use for landfills, it's just the cost
of transporting the stuff. The nearby one has been operating for a long
time. It's now a hill rather than a canyon, and it has spectacular
views befitting the Beverly Hills houses we read about.

Recently our city wants us to put our compostables in a plastic bag
(much discussion about the potential compostability of such bags -- do
we need to BUY special bags?) and put it on top of our yard waste. Then
the whole thing goes into a huge truck. At what point are the little
bags separated and sent to a composting facility? After having been
mixed with vast amounts of bougainvillea trimmings etc. are the bags
still intact or has the garbage been evenly distributed through the
entire truck? What if we have no yard waste this week? Do we freeze
this week's garbage or toss it into the can to fester for one or more
weeks?

More and more I think this is just one more feel-good hand-waving
process like some "security" procedures.

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On 10/22/23 2:30 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>>> If you think I'm going out of my way to dispose of every single AA
>>> battery, think again ...
>>
>> Our city public library accepts them.  I save up a jarful and then
>> contribute.
>
> Our supermarkets do, if I'm throwing out several I take them, but if a
> couple have been sitting on the side for weeks they'll end-up in the bin.
>
>> They also take spectacles.
>
> Now those I have dozens of pairs of (mainly from my late parents') I
> think the schemes that used to ship them off to poorer parts of the
> world have ended, now one of the big opticians chains says they'll take
> them, but they just get melted down.

I wondered how mine could be re-used since my eyes were so different and
weird. Even after cataract surgery they're different and weird. Still,
if they want my old glasses they can have them. I've heard that some
entities accept unused contact lenses, which seem more usable.

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AJL, 2023-10-22 07:32:

> On 10/21/2023 10:04 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 10/21/23 7:25 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>
>>> If you think I'm going out of my way to dispose of every single AA
>>> battery, think again ...
>
>> Our city public library accepts them. I save up a jarful and then
>> contribute. They also take spectacles.
>
> My garbage company advises to dispose of used Alkaline
> batteries in the regular trash...

Where I live (Berlin, Germany), the local hardware store has boxes to
return old batteries and lightbulbs.

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Dave Royal, 2023-10-21 18:38:

> On 21 Oct 2023 17:32:46 +0200 Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Dave Royal, 2023-10-21 10:13:
>>
>>> On 21 Oct 2023 05:55:47 GMT MajorLanGod wrote:
>>>> Every o often I charge up my Google Nexus 7 2013 just for old times sake.
>>>> God it is sooo slow. It's hard to remember how much better I thought it was
>>>> than the Palm Pilot I replaced. How quickly we get spoiled. There is
>>>> nothing different between it and my Samsung Galay Tab S6 Lite ecept speed
>>>> and capacity. I guess the phrase is Onward and Upward!
>>>
>>> I also have a working Nexus 7 - 1st gen. It was the update from Android 4
>>> to 5 that really slowed it down. And it always was slow to boot up -
>>> slower than my Nokia N810. Those twirling coloured dots ...
>>
>> Well, the Nexus 7 is now about 11 years old. Do you also use a PC which
>> is about 15-20 years old and expect it to work flawless with modern
>> software?
>>
>
> What makes you think I do?

I wasn't sure if your description about slowing down was a complaint
about the result of updates.

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On 23 Oct 2023 19:55:01 +0200 Arno Welzel wrote:
>Dave Royal, 2023-10-21 18:38:
>
>> On 21 Oct 2023 17:32:46 +0200 Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Dave Royal, 2023-10-21 10:13:
>>>
>>>> On 21 Oct 2023 05:55:47 GMT MajorLanGod wrote:
>>>>> Every o often I charge up my Google Nexus 7 2013 just for old times sake.
>>>>> God it is sooo slow. It's hard to remember how much better I thought it
>>>>> was
>>>>> than the Palm Pilot I replaced. How quickly we get spoiled. There is
>>>>> nothing different between it and my Samsung Galay Tab S6 Lite ecept speed
>>>>> and capacity. I guess the phrase is Onward and Upward!
>>>>
>>>> I also have a working Nexus 7 - 1st gen. It was the update from Android 4
>>>> to 5 that really slowed it down. And it always was slow to boot up -
>>>> slower than my Nokia N810. Those twirling coloured dots ...
>>>
>>> Well, the Nexus 7 is now about 11 years old. Do you also use a PC which
>>> is about 15-20 years old and expect it to work flawless with modern
>>> software?
>>>
>>
>> What makes you think I do?
>
>I wasn't sure if your description about slowing down was a complaint
>about the result of updates.
>
I suppose it was a complaint about Android 5. I reverted it to 4.4, then
installed a ROM from XDA. I haven't used it for years.

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>>>> I also have a working Nexus 7 - 1st gen. It was the update from Android 4
>>>> to 5 that really slowed it down. And it always was slow to boot up -
>>>> slower than my Nokia N810. Those twirling coloured dots ...
>>>
>>> Well, the Nexus 7 is now about 11 years old. Do you also use a PC which
>>> is about 15-20 years old and expect it to work flawless with modern
>>> software?
>>
>> What makes you think I do?

Actually yes I do. There are Modern versions of Linux that run on 11
years old PC's just fine.

Jim Jackson, 2023-10-23 22:04:

>>>>> I also have a working Nexus 7 - 1st gen. It was the update from Android 4
>>>>> to 5 that really slowed it down. And it always was slow to boot up -
>>>>> slower than my Nokia N810. Those twirling coloured dots ...
>>>>
>>>> Well, the Nexus 7 is now about 11 years old. Do you also use a PC which
>>>> is about 15-20 years old and expect it to work flawless with modern
>>>> software?
>>>
>>> What makes you think I do?
>
> Actually yes I do. There are Modern versions of Linux that run on 11
> years old PC's just fine.

11 years for a PC are not the same. Android was invented just 15 years
ago but PCs are way older than that with the first IBM PC introduced in
1981.

So if you talk about an "11 year old PC" that is more like a 3-4 year
old Android phone.

Using a PC from 2012 is not a big deal. I used a machine with a Xeon
1650-v2 and 32 GB RAM. The CPU was introduced about 10 years ago in
2013. About 6 months ago the mainboard failed and due to the surprising
high prices for used high quality LGA 2011 boards I decided got a new
AM4 board along with a more modern AMD Ryzen CPU. But if the old
mainboard would not have failed I would likely still use that old CPU
today since a machine with 32 GB RAM and 64 bit with 6 cores and
hyperthreading at 3.9 GHz are still very usable today.

However with Android it's a bit different. 10 years ago Android was just
about 5 years on the market and the hardware still changed a *lot* every
year. Nowadays the changes are not that big any more, similar to PCs. So
a new phone from *today* may still be quite usable in 7 or 10 years. But
a phone from 10 years ago is just a completely different world. The
Nexus 7 had only 1 GB RAM, a 32-Bit-Quad-Core-CPU and 32 GB
Flash-Memory. Modern devices often have 8 GB RAM and
64-Bit-Octa-Core-CPUs along with 128 or 256 GB Flash-Memory or even more.

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