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by: AMuzi - Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:19 UTC

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by: Sir Ridesalot - Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:31 UTC

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 1:19:44 p.m. UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> Those crazy innovative humans !
>
> https://bikerumor.com/lal-bikes-supre-drive-splits-the-traditional-derailleur-for-high-pivot-mountain-bikes/
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Look at all those nice moving parts to catch a pant leg in.

Cheers

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by: Frank Krygowski - Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:55 UTC

On 11/18/2021 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> Those crazy innovative humans !
>
> https://bikerumor.com/lal-bikes-supre-drive-splits-the-traditional-derailleur-for-high-pivot-mountain-bikes/

To borrow Jeff's word: It looks complexicated! The aesthetic opposite of
a single speed, eh?

But the derailleur portion does look more protected. I was kind of
intrigued by one brief SunTour attempt at mounting the derailleur ahead
of the axle and sort of inboard of the right chainstay, like a Nivex.

(Why do I waste brain space by knowing "Nivex"?)

--
- Frank Krygowski

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by: AMuzi - Thu, 18 Nov 2021 19:28 UTC

On 11/18/2021 12:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 11/18/2021 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> Those crazy innovative humans !
>>
>> https://bikerumor.com/lal-bikes-supre-drive-splits-the-traditional-derailleur-for-high-pivot-mountain-bikes/
>
>
> To borrow Jeff's word: It looks complexicated! The aesthetic
> opposite of a single speed, eh?
>
> But the derailleur portion does look more protected. I was
> kind of intrigued by one brief SunTour attempt at mounting
> the derailleur ahead of the axle and sort of inboard of the
> right chainstay, like a Nivex.
>
> (Why do I waste brain space by knowing "Nivex"?)
>
>

Or the always creative Oscar Egg with his Osgear:
https://www.speedbicycles.ch/velo/528/speed_077.jpg

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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by: jbeattie - Thu, 18 Nov 2021 19:29 UTC

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 10:19:44 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> Those crazy innovative humans !
>
> https://bikerumor.com/lal-bikes-supre-drive-splits-the-traditional-derailleur-for-high-pivot-mountain-bikes/

I saw that story in a different news feed from pinkbike: https://www.pinkbike.com/news/first-look-lal-bikes-supre-drive-splitting-a-derailleur-in-half-before-it-happens-on-the-trail.html The comments are far more insightful and many are positive. I guess ruining a RDs is a common thing for the Enduro/DH set. It has no use on a road bike, or at least no benefit that outweighs the complexity.

-- Jay Beattie.

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by: Frank Krygowski - Thu, 18 Nov 2021 20:27 UTC

On 11/18/2021 2:28 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/18/2021 12:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 11/18/2021 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> Those crazy innovative humans !
>>>
>>> https://bikerumor.com/lal-bikes-supre-drive-splits-the-traditional-derailleur-for-high-pivot-mountain-bikes/
>>>
>>
>>
>> To borrow Jeff's word: It looks complexicated! The aesthetic
>> opposite of a single speed, eh?
>>
>> But the derailleur portion does look more protected. I was
>> kind of intrigued by one brief SunTour attempt at mounting
>> the derailleur ahead of the axle and sort of inboard of the
>> right chainstay, like a Nivex.
>>
>> (Why do I waste brain space by knowing "Nivex"?)
>>
>>
>
> Or the always creative Oscar Egg with his Osgear:
> https://www.speedbicycles.ch/velo/528/speed_077.jpg

Hmm. I don't know anything about that one.

--
- Frank Krygowski

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by: Ralph Barone - Thu, 18 Nov 2021 20:32 UTC

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 11/18/2021 12:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 11/18/2021 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> Those crazy innovative humans !
>>>
>>> https://bikerumor.com/lal-bikes-supre-drive-splits-the-traditional-derailleur-for-high-pivot-mountain-bikes/
>>
>>
>> To borrow Jeff's word: It looks complexicated! The aesthetic
>> opposite of a single speed, eh?
>>
>> But the derailleur portion does look more protected. I was
>> kind of intrigued by one brief SunTour attempt at mounting
>> the derailleur ahead of the axle and sort of inboard of the
>> right chainstay, like a Nivex.
>>
>> (Why do I waste brain space by knowing "Nivex"?)
>>
>>
>
> Or the always creative Oscar Egg with his Osgear:
> https://www.speedbicycles.ch/velo/528/speed_077.jpg
>

Why would somebody take a picture of a derailleur from the non drive side?

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by: AMuzi - Thu, 18 Nov 2021 21:29 UTC

On 11/18/2021 2:32 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> On 11/18/2021 12:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 11/18/2021 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> Those crazy innovative humans !
>>>>
>>>> https://bikerumor.com/lal-bikes-supre-drive-splits-the-traditional-derailleur-for-high-pivot-mountain-bikes/
>>>
>>>
>>> To borrow Jeff's word: It looks complexicated! The aesthetic
>>> opposite of a single speed, eh?
>>>
>>> But the derailleur portion does look more protected. I was
>>> kind of intrigued by one brief SunTour attempt at mounting
>>> the derailleur ahead of the axle and sort of inboard of the
>>> right chainstay, like a Nivex.
>>>
>>> (Why do I waste brain space by knowing "Nivex"?)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Or the always creative Oscar Egg with his Osgear:
>> https://www.speedbicycles.ch/velo/528/speed_077.jpg
>>
>
> Why would somebody take a picture of a derailleur from the non drive side?
>

Channeling Oscar Egg maybe? Everyone else does it the other
way around. That's reason enough!

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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by: Tom Kunich - Thu, 18 Nov 2021 23:35 UTC

On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 1:29:37 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 11/18/2021 2:32 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
> > AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >> On 11/18/2021 12:55 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 11/18/2021 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> Those crazy innovative humans !
> >>>>
> >>>> https://bikerumor.com/lal-bikes-supre-drive-splits-the-traditional-derailleur-for-high-pivot-mountain-bikes/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> To borrow Jeff's word: It looks complexicated! The aesthetic
> >>> opposite of a single speed, eh?
> >>>
> >>> But the derailleur portion does look more protected. I was
> >>> kind of intrigued by one brief SunTour attempt at mounting
> >>> the derailleur ahead of the axle and sort of inboard of the
> >>> right chainstay, like a Nivex.
> >>>
> >>> (Why do I waste brain space by knowing "Nivex"?)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Or the always creative Oscar Egg with his Osgear:
> >> https://www.speedbicycles.ch/velo/528/speed_077.jpg
> >>
> >
> > Why would somebody take a picture of a derailleur from the non drive side?
> >
> Channeling Oscar Egg maybe? Everyone else does it the other
> way around. That's reason enough!

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by: Rolf Mantel - Fri, 19 Nov 2021 09:29 UTC

Am 18.11.2021 um 19:55 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
> On 11/18/2021 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> Those crazy innovative humans !
>>
>> https://bikerumor.com/lal-bikes-supre-drive-splits-the-traditional-derailleur-for-high-pivot-mountain-bikes/
>
> To borrow Jeff's word: It looks complexicated! The aesthetic opposite of
> a single speed, eh?

Also, thinking of efficiency, the main advantage of the traditional
derailleur design is the straight chain route on the power side where
all "frills" are on the return side.

On my ZOX FWD recumbent, the big "chain deflector" is also a massive
cause of noise.

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by: Tom Kunich - Fri, 19 Nov 2021 15:32 UTC

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 1:29:05 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 18.11.2021 um 19:55 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
> > On 11/18/2021 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> Those crazy innovative humans !
> >>
> >> https://bikerumor.com/lal-bikes-supre-drive-splits-the-traditional-derailleur-for-high-pivot-mountain-bikes/
> >
> > To borrow Jeff's word: It looks complexicated! The aesthetic opposite of
> > a single speed, eh?
> Also, thinking of efficiency, the main advantage of the traditional
> derailleur design is the straight chain route on the power side where
> all "frills" are on the return side.
>
> On my ZOX FWD recumbent, the big "chain deflector" is also a massive
> cause of noise.
But there is clearly a reason for it. Apparently downhill racers were throwing chains because of the differential length of the chain over the length of suspension. Though I would think that they could come up with a better answer.

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by: Simon S Aysdie - Fri, 19 Nov 2021 22:48 UTC

That's a lot of chain wrap.

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by: Tom Kunich - Fri, 19 Nov 2021 22:52 UTC

On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 2:48:12 PM UTC-8, Simon S Aysdie wrote:
> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 10:19:44 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > Those crazy innovative humans !
> >
> > https://bikerumor.com/lal-bikes-supre-drive-splits-the-traditional-derailleur-for-high-pivot-mountain-bikes/
> That's a lot of chain wrap.

Agreed but you can see that the chain doesn't sustain any stretching loads from the motion of the suspension. Or very little.

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by: Ralph Barone - Sat, 20 Nov 2021 04:23 UTC

Simon S Aysdie <gwhite@ti.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 10:19:44 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> Those crazy innovative humans !
>>
>> https://bikerumor.com/lal-bikes-supre-drive-splits-the-traditional-derailleur-for-high-pivot-mountain-bikes/
>>
>
> That's a lot of chain wrap.
>

On the plus side, the more chain you have, the longer it takes to wear it
out.

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On Friday, November 19, 2021 at 8:23:51 PM UTC-8, Ralph Barone wrote:
> Simon S Aysdie <gwh...@ti.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 18, 2021 at 10:19:44 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> Those crazy innovative humans !
> >>
> >> https://bikerumor.com/lal-bikes-supre-drive-splits-the-traditional-derailleur-for-high-pivot-mountain-bikes/
> >>
> >
> > That's a lot of chain wrap.
> >
> On the plus side, the more chain you have, the longer it takes to wear it
> out.
On the minus side - the more expensive it is to replace.

She sells cshs by the cshore.

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Subject	Author
Derailleur News	AMuzi
Re: Derailleur News	Sir Ridesalot
Re: Derailleur News	Frank Krygowski
Re: Derailleur News	AMuzi
Re: Derailleur News	Frank Krygowski
Re: Derailleur News	Ralph Barone
Re: Derailleur News	AMuzi
Re: Derailleur News	Tom Kunich
Re: Derailleur News	Rolf Mantel
Re: Derailleur News	Tom Kunich
Re: Derailleur News	jbeattie
Re: Derailleur News	Simon S Aysdie
Re: Derailleur News	Tom Kunich
Re: Derailleur News	Ralph Barone
Re: Derailleur News	Tom Kunich