Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 4:32:47 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 4:10:25 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 3:44:57 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, November 15, 2021 at 3:39:15 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 4:12:40 PM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 12:14:22 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 11:17:21 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 7:40:23 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, November 6, 2021 at 11:10:22 AM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, November 5, 2021 at 3:43:11 PM UTC-7, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, November 3, 2021 at 8:57:14 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 3:44:44 PM UTC-7, lou.h...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 4:56:24 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 3:53:02 PM UTC-7,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 27, 2021 at 11:59:29 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Very big snips!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any case, there are no trees along the water and no roots or even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> large rocks on the trail. It is my intention to eventually ride the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entire trail from San Leandro shoreline park to Alviso. I've already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ridden the San Francisco Peninsula side since it is what laughingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passes as "paved" which means that the bumps in the pavement are a foot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> high making most of it unrideable and leaving me to take the regular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surface streets all the way up to San Francisco. From there I can take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Rapid Transit to a mile from my home. However, they intend to install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a ferry service to Treasure Island and from there there is a bike lane
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> across to Oakland and I can then ride home from there. This entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distance would be perhaps 150 miles so it is a little far for a one day
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ride over gravel for 1/2 the way. But I can break it into 73 mile sections.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well even more reason to drop the pressures!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Clearly depends on the gravel but generally much above 50miles I’d say is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to be big day out on the bike.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 50 miles on gravel is pretty far. I agree with you that tire pressure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be lower which is why I switched to tubeless on the gravel bike.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pinch flats are a thing of the past. But it is easy to not watch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wear closely enough.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 60/70psi unless your riding cobbles/rocky trails and arguably even then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it’s too high, will not be avoiding pinch flats unless you can hear the rim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom out.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This said some folks ie roadies are rather rigid and do end up with pinch
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flats as they are heavy on the bike.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You simply cannot avoid large potholes when traffic pushes you over into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. I had a great deal of trouble with that yesterday. My inner route
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is on lightly trafficked roads but the return trip was largely on what is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a busy highway. in some areas the bike lane was filled with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> parked trucks for blocks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 50psi at I’m assume 100kg once fully clothes, even with 35mm potholes are
>>>>>>>>>>>> not a issue after all, I’ll descend old abandoned roads with roots/gullies
>>>>>>>>>>>> and so on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Honesty try it lower it down and see how it feels 40psi to me feels too
>>>>>>>>>>>> squirmy.
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll try 50 psi on the tubeless gravel bike.
>>>>>>>>>> Roger, I did 26 miles today on the gravel bike. About 20 of that was on
>>>>>>>>>> gravel. With the lower pressure I was dismayed somewhat to find that it
>>>>>>>>>> was actually riding rougher than it was with the 60-70 lbs
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That hasn’t been my experience where lowering the pressures improved
>>>>>>>>> comfort, but increased vagueness into squirming if too low depends how much
>>>>>>>>> you push though the bends and type of land really.
>>>>>>>>>> So I was sort of surprised after getting home and downloading the Garmin
>>>>>>>>>> to discover that I had done this ride with 1/2 mph higher average than
>>>>>>>>>> most of my road rides. Although the bike sounded loud to me I saw a lot
>>>>>>>>>> of walkers jumping when I passed them. I don't know if this was because
>>>>>>>>>> they were wearing ear buds and thinking about YouTube stuff or if the
>>>>>>>>>> bike was actually more quiet than it seemed to me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some folks will jump what ever, I’d not expect the bike to sound any
>>>>>>>>> different to be honest nor realistically be any slower/faster, I certainly
>>>>>>>>> have not noticed any speed difference between 60 and 50psi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To be lot of variables apart from anything it’s now Autumn so apart from
>>>>>>>>> the sand, everything else is getting wetter sticker and slower/harder
>>>>>>>>> going.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, there must have been a great more rolling resistance on the gravel
>>>>>>>> because today my legs are really tired. In the last three weeks I don't
>>>>>>>> more than 300 miles. I'm going to try for a 5,000 mile year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure on the weekend before went for a leisurely ride with a friend 50 ish
>>>>>>> miles but ground is still wet and both of us where bushed by time reached
>>>>>>> home!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where as this I did a quick spin to the war Memorial which also is in the
>>>>>>> Sandy woods so quite dry and far easier going.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used to hit 5k a year due to commuting but as I’ve gone part time that’s
>>>>>>> unlikely to happen!
>>>>>> Inasmuch as I'm presently at 4300 for the year and the storm door is
>>>>>> about to open, I really doubt that I will make it to 5,000 but I'll give it a try.
>>>>>
>>>>> I did 35 miles today and about half of it was on gravel. I have to say
>>>>> that running soft wide tires on pavement certainly has a lot of drag.
>>>>> That was real tiring. It felt slow as well but looking at the Garmin
>>>>> readout, it is about my normal speed.
>>>>>
>>>> I found within reason that it’s the perception that changes, in that at
>>>> lower pressures you can feel it squish slightly and that gives a slower
>>>> feel, but doesn’t seem to translate into a slower ride.
>>>
>>> Depending on the length of ride and the number of traffic lights my
>>> averages always look very slow even when I seem to be riding 17-18 mph
>>> over most of the ride.
>>>
>> My average pace seem to be fairly consistent, on the commute bike 11mph ish
>> Strava does clip the stopped time but even so.
>>
>> Gravel is generally the same, sometimes if I’ve chosen or gone somewhere
>> with lots of fast fire roads and so on might clip along.
>>
>> MTB is 8mph.
>>
>> Going into london even though much more traffic and lights and so on, tends
>> to result in far faster averages. Probably as the embankment even with the
>> segregated bike lanes is a fast quick road, so once on that you do tend to
>> clip along. (High teens/low Twenties)
>
> I've put in fewer than 10 gravel rides and yet it has given me a great
> deal more leg strength but I sure couldn't tell it at the time. Yesterday
> I did another 52 mile ride and did it in 4 hours and 10 minutes which is
> one of the highest averages yet despite me completely running out of
> steam in the last 10 miles. But ascending the first 4 miles climb, the
> following 3 mile descent and a mile of flat with perhaps a 1% or so lift
> I stayed ahead of a fast 30 year old until a stop light. For the next 11
> miles which included 3 short climbs and then a fairly long climb that was
> pretty steep ending in a long descent into the coffee shop, I was
> maintaining 17-20 mph. On most of the climbs instead of my usual 6-7 mph
> I was doing 8-12. Color me surprised. I'm a couple of miles short of
> having put in 400 miles in the last 3 weeks. But I am expecting this to
> be a wet year so I will promptly lose all of this conditioning.
>
About the only thing I’ve noted over the years vs road is MTB/Gravel tends
to be higher peaks, and more likely to use upper body.