Or - maybe it's actually really cheap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5aAd8Oy84&ab_channel=AdamSavage%E2%80%99sTested

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 11/5/2023 11:18 PM, Alan Browne wrote:

> Or - maybe it's actually really cheap:

Why are we being trolled by these Apple trolls in the Android newsgroup?
They seem to be afraid of the world wide dominance of Android over Apple.

On 2023-11-05 13:17, Larry Wolff wrote:
> On 11/5/2023 11:18 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> Or - maybe it's actually really cheap:
>
> Why are we being trolled by these Apple trolls in the Android newsgroup?
> They seem to be afraid of the world wide dominance of Android over Apple.

It's quite the opposite. There is quite a hue and cry over the cost of
Apple TB 4 cables. The linked video shows what goes into such a cable
and then one wonders not why it's so expensive - but rather why it is so
cheap.

"world wide dominance of Android over Apple."

<chuckle> thanks for lightening up an otherwise dull Sunday afternoon...
ah well, bit of yard work to attend to...

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Alan Browne wrote:

> There is quite a hue and cry over the cost of Apple TB 4 cables.  The
> linked video shows what goes into such a cable and then one wonders not
> why it's so expensive - but rather why it is so cheap.

I had watched that video before it was posted here, and yes the quality
of the cable does look very good, but I wonder whether that is truly
necessary for "normal" lengths, or just the 2-3 metre flavour? Or maybe
it's just cable pr0n?

I have a TB4 laptop, connected to a dock providing 98W of power, a 4k
monitor, a 2.5k monitor, 2.5Gbps ethernet, external backup drive,
camera, keyboard/mouse/kvm switch and plenty of USB ports, all over the
2ft type-C cable that came with the dock, and no issues ... I don't
believe I've ever tried a non-TB cable to see how well that does.

On 2023-11-05 14:20, Andy Burns wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> There is quite a hue and cry over the cost of Apple TB 4 cables.  The
>> linked video shows what goes into such a cable and then one wonders
>> not why it's so expensive - but rather why it is so cheap.
>
> I had watched that video before it was posted here, and yes the quality
> of the cable does look very good, but I wonder whether that is truly
> necessary for "normal" lengths, or just the 2-3 metre flavour? Or maybe
> it's just cable pr0n?
>
> I have a TB4 laptop, connected to a dock providing 98W of power, a 4k
> monitor, a 2.5k monitor, 2.5Gbps ethernet, external backup drive,
> camera, keyboard/mouse/kvm switch and plenty of USB ports, all over the
> 2ft type-C cable that came with the dock, and no issues ... I don't
> believe I've ever tried a non-TB cable to see how well that does.

More length certainly makes it harder at 40 Gb/s.

There may also be issues regarding signal and noise that Apple wants to
achieve that are excessive in practice but more reliable than being too
close to threshold levels.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-05 14:40, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-05 14:20, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>> There is quite a hue and cry over the cost of Apple TB 4 cables.  The
>>> linked video shows what goes into such a cable and then one wonders
>>> not why it's so expensive - but rather why it is so cheap.
>>
>> I had watched that video before it was posted here, and yes the
>> quality of the cable does look very good, but I wonder whether that is
>> truly necessary for "normal" lengths, or just the 2-3 metre flavour?
>> Or maybe it's just cable pr0n?
>>
>> I have a TB4 laptop, connected to a dock providing 98W of power, a 4k
>> monitor, a 2.5k monitor, 2.5Gbps ethernet, external backup drive,
>> camera, keyboard/mouse/kvm switch and plenty of USB ports, all over
>> the 2ft type-C cable that came with the dock, and no issues ... I
>> don't believe I've ever tried a non-TB cable to see how well that does.
>
> More length certainly makes it harder at 40 Gb/s.
>
> There may also be issues regarding signal and noise that Apple wants to
> achieve that are excessive in practice but more reliable than being too
> close to threshold levels.

Also the longest TB 4 cable from Apple is 3m in length ...

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-05 18:17:10 +0000, Larry Wolff said:
> On 11/5/2023 11:18 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>> Or - maybe it's actually really cheap:
>
> Why are we being trolled by these Apple trolls in the Android newsgroup?
> They seem to be afraid of the world wide dominance of Android over Apple.

It's the other way around ... the know-nothing anti-Apple trolls
crosspost their inane nonsense to the iPhone newsgroup. The problem is
there are then some fools in both newsgroups that keep replying to the
braindead trolls, which only encourages them. :-(

On 2023-11-05, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> There is quite a hue and cry over the cost of Apple TB 4 cables.  The
>> linked video shows what goes into such a cable and then one wonders
>> not why it's so expensive - but rather why it is so cheap.
>
> I had watched that video before it was posted here, and yes the
> quality of the cable does look very good, but I wonder whether that is
> truly necessary for "normal" lengths, or just the 2-3 metre flavour?
> Or maybe it's just cable pr0n?

Ah. So "not needed" and "nobody wants it" then? Ironic...

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On 11/6/2023 4:14 AM, Your Name wrote:

>>> Or - maybe it's actually really cheap:
>>
>> Why are we being trolled by these Apple trolls in the Android newsgroup?
>> They seem to be afraid of the world wide dominance of Android over Apple.
>
> It's the other way around ... the know-nothing anti-Apple trolls
> crosspost their inane nonsense to the iPhone newsgroup. The problem is
> there are then some fools in both newsgroups that keep replying to the
> braindead trolls, which only encourages them

Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android info.

It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting here?
It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world market.

On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android info.
>
> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting here?
> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world market.

Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand what
quality is, and why it costs more.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-06 13:54, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
>> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
>> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android info.
>>
>> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting here?
>> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world market.
>
> Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand what
> quality is, and why it costs more.

Nevertheless, it is a fact that globally, Android sells more than Apple;
the world is not the USA.

<https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=world+sales+of+Android+vs+Apple>

About 204,000,000 results (0.41 seconds)

According to StatCounter, the Android mobile operating system holds the
largest market share of 70.77% globally, as of August 2023. iOS, on the
other hand, holds a global market share of 28.52%, as of August 2023.Sep
9, 2023

iOS vs Android Market Share by Country - Yahoo Finance
Yahoo Finance
https://finance.yahoo.com › news › ios-vs-android-mark...

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-06 08:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 13:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
>>> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
>>> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android info.
>>>
>>> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting here?
>>> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world
>>> market.
>>
>> Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand what
>> quality is, and why it costs more.
>
> Nevertheless, it is a fact that globally, Android sells more than Apple;
> the world is not the USA.

I wasn't discussing sales figures, only the reason why quality has a
price (or rather that video shows why).

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-06 14:21, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 08:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06 13:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
>>>> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
>>>> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android
>>>> info.
>>>>
>>>> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting here?
>>>> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world
>>>> market.
>>>
>>> Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand what
>>> quality is, and why it costs more.
>>
>> Nevertheless, it is a fact that globally, Android sells more than
>> Apple; the world is not the USA.
>
> I wasn't discussing sales figures, only the reason why quality has a
> price (or rather that video shows why).

Which doesn't relate to the phrase "Android controls the world market".
Apples to oranges :-)

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-06 05:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 13:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
>>> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
>>> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android info.
>>>
>>> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting here?
>>> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world
>>> market.
>>
>> Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand what
>> quality is, and why it costs more.
>
> Nevertheless, it is a fact that globally, Android sells more than Apple;
> the world is not the USA.

Only because they sell to a market Apple doesn't sell to.

On 2023-11-06 18:38, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 05:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06 13:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
>>>> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
>>>> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android
>>>> info.
>>>>
>>>> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting here?
>>>> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world
>>>> market.
>>>
>>> Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand what
>>> quality is, and why it costs more.
>>
>> Nevertheless, it is a fact that globally, Android sells more than
>> Apple; the world is not the USA.
>
> Only because they sell to a market Apple doesn't sell to.

But it does... Apple sells here. Much less than Android, but they sell.

<https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=porcentaje+de+mercado+de+Apple+vs+Android+en+espa%C3%B1a>

About 5,280,000 results (0.41 seconds)

¿Y cómo queda España? Pues según StatCounter, en marzo de 2023 el 77%
del mercado fue de Android y el 21% de iOS.Apr 4, 2023

El mapa que muestra si se usa más Android o iOS: así queda ...
Xataka Móvil
https://www.xatakamovil.com › mercado › mapa-que-m...

Translated:

And what about Spain? According to StatCounter, in March 2023, 77% of
the market was Android and 21% iOS.Apr 4, 2023

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-06 12:19, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 14:21, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06 08:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-06 13:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
>>>>> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
>>>>> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android
>>>>> info.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting here?
>>>>> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world
>>>>> market.
>>>>
>>>> Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand what
>>>> quality is, and why it costs more.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, it is a fact that globally, Android sells more than
>>> Apple; the world is not the USA.
>>
>> I wasn't discussing sales figures, only the reason why quality has a
>> price (or rather that video shows why).
>
> Which doesn't relate to the phrase "Android controls the world market".
> Apples to oranges :-)

That wasn't at all the point of the posting. The point was about the
cost/price of high bandwidth TB 4 cables. Because some weak minded
troll tries to steer the subject else where is his problem. Ooops: You
fell for it too! Poor lad. Try to focus next time. You can do it!

I will entertain you with the following perspective, nonetheless:

Android does not control the world market. It is an OS that many
companies use because it is free and Google pick up the gross tab on
maintaining it - royalty free.

In the meantime, Google pays Apple about $18B per year for the privilege
of being the default search engine on Apple products - something the
users can change in about 20 seconds - but most don't due to ignorance
or apathy[1].

And that $18B is more than most Android phone makers make in sales alone.

So while Android phones do indeed outnumber iPhone, and only Samsung is
really on top there; we all know it was iPhone that ignited the current
era smartphone that all other had to imitate or die (Blackberry for
example).

OTOH, I'd far rather have shares in Apple than any other smartphone makers.

[1]
Bob: "What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?"
Don: "I don't know - and I don't care!"

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2023-11-06 09:48, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 18:38, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06 05:12, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-06 13:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
>>>>> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
>>>>> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android
>>>>> info.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting here?
>>>>> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world
>>>>> market.
>>>>
>>>> Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand what
>>>> quality is, and why it costs more.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, it is a fact that globally, Android sells more than
>>> Apple; the world is not the USA.
>>
>> Only because they sell to a market Apple doesn't sell to.
>
> But it does... Apple sells here. Much less than Android, but they sell.

The market Apple doesn't sell into is entry-level phones, Sunshine.

>
>
> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=porcentaje+de+mercado+de+Apple+vs+Android+en+espa%C3%B1a>
>
> About 5,280,000 results (0.41 seconds)
>
> ¿Y cómo queda España? Pues según StatCounter, en marzo de 2023 el 77%
> del mercado fue de Android y el 21% de iOS.Apr 4, 2023
>
> El mapa que muestra si se usa más Android o iOS: así queda ...
> Xataka Móvil
> https://www.xatakamovil.com › mercado › mapa-que-m...
>
>
> Translated:
>
> And what about Spain? According to StatCounter, in March 2023, 77% of
> the market was Android and 21% iOS.Apr 4, 2023

Because you can buy cheap Androids.

Andy Burns wrote:

> I don't believe I've ever tried a non-TB cable to see how well that does.

I have now, using a type-C cable, full 24 pins, originally supplied with
a USB3.x NVMe enclosure

It did supply power, but didn't function as a thunderbolt connection at
all, even though passive cables up to 0.5m are supposedly allowed.

On 2023-11-06 13:12:55 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:

> On 2023-11-06 13:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
>>> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
>>> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android info.
>>>
>>> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting here?
>>> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world market.
>>
>> Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand what
>> quality is, and why it costs more.
>
> Nevertheless, it is a fact that globally, Android sells more than
> Apple; the world is not the USA.
>
> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=world+sales+of+Android+vs+Apple>
>
>
> About 204,000,000 results (0.41 seconds)
>
> According to StatCounter, the Android mobile operating system holds the
> largest market share of 70.77% globally, as of August 2023. iOS, on the
> other hand, holds a global market share of 28.52%, as of August
> 2023.Sep 9, 2023
>
> iOS vs Android Market Share by Country - Yahoo Finance
> Yahoo Finance
> https://finance.yahoo.com › news › ios-vs-android-mark...

Of course Android has a bigger market share than iOS ... because there
are "60" Android phone manufacturers with numerous different models,
but only 1 iOS phone manufacturer with about five different models. The
Android makers also have lots of low-end cheap garbage (some using 10
year old tech) while Apple concentrates on the higher-end of the market.

The same happens if you compare Ford with Ferrari, or numerous other
1-to-many / low-to-high comparisons.

On 2023-11-06 21:42, Your Name wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 13:12:55 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
>
>> On 2023-11-06 13:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
>>>> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
>>>> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android
>>>> info.
>>>>
>>>> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting here?
>>>> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world
>>>> market.
>>>
>>> Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand what
>>> quality is, and why it costs more.
>>
>> Nevertheless, it is a fact that globally, Android sells more than
>> Apple; the world is not the USA.
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=world+sales+of+Android+vs+Apple>
>>
>> About 204,000,000 results (0.41 seconds)
>>
>> According to StatCounter, the Android mobile operating system holds
>> the largest market share of 70.77% globally, as of August 2023. iOS,
>> on the other hand, holds a global market share of 28.52%, as of August
>> 2023.Sep 9, 2023
>>
>> iOS vs Android Market Share by Country - Yahoo Finance
>> Yahoo Finance
>> https://finance.yahoo.com › news › ios-vs-android-mark...
>
> Of course Android has a bigger market share than iOS ... because there
> are "60" Android phone manufacturers with numerous different models, but
> only 1 iOS phone manufacturer with about five different models. The
> Android makers also have lots of low-end cheap garbage (some using 10
> year old tech) while Apple concentrates on the higher-end of the market.
>
> The same happens if you compare Ford with Ferrari, or numerous other
> 1-to-many / low-to-high comparisons.

Wrong comparison. Android also sells phones more expensive than Apple.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-06 21:22:35 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:

> On 2023-11-06 21:42, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06 13:12:55 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-06 13:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
>>>>> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
>>>>> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android info.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting here?
>>>>> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world market.
>>>>
>>>> Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand what
>>>> quality is, and why it costs more.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, it is a fact that globally, Android sells more than
>>> Apple; the world is not the USA.
>>>
>>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=world+sales+of+Android+vs+Apple>
>>>
>>>
>>> About 204,000,000 results (0.41 seconds)
>>>
>>> According to StatCounter, the Android mobile operating system holds the
>>> largest market share of 70.77% globally, as of August 2023. iOS, on the
>>> other hand, holds a global market share of 28.52%, as of August
>>> 2023.Sep 9, 2023
>>>
>>> iOS vs Android Market Share by Country - Yahoo Finance
>>> Yahoo Finance
>>> https://finance.yahoo.com › news › ios-vs-android-mark...
>>
>> Of course Android has a bigger market share than iOS ... because there
>> are "60" Android phone manufacturers with numerous different models,
>> but only 1 iOS phone manufacturer with about five different models. The
>> Android makers also have lots of low-end cheap garbage (some using 10
>> year old tech) while Apple concentrates on the higher-end of the market.
>>
>> The same happens if you compare Ford with Ferrari, or numerous other
>> 1-to-many / low-to-high comparisons.
>
> Wrong comparison. Android also sells phones more expensive than Apple.

If you actually want a mobile phone comparison that is a bit better
1-to-1, you need to look at Apple vs Samsung (although Samsung does
make lower-end phones as well, so it is still a little lop-sided).

In terms of global market share, in October 2023, Apple had 29.67%
while Samsung had 24.67%.

In terms of sales, until Q1 2023, globally, the iPhone was outselling
Samsung's phones. It was only with those Q1 23023 figures that Samsung
took the lead - partly because Samsung had just released new models and
many iPhone fans would have been waiting for the upcoming model before
buying.

As always, it also depends on which statistics you want to believe.

On 2023-11-07 00:33, Your Name wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 21:22:35 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
>> On 2023-11-06 21:42, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-06 13:12:55 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-11-06 13:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
>>>>>> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
>>>>>> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android
>>>>>> info.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting
>>>>>> here?
>>>>>> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world
>>>>>> market.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand
>>>>> what quality is, and why it costs more.
>>>>
>>>> Nevertheless, it is a fact that globally, Android sells more than
>>>> Apple; the world is not the USA.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=world+sales+of+Android+vs+Apple>
>>>>
>>>> About 204,000,000 results (0.41 seconds)
>>>>
>>>> According to StatCounter, the Android mobile operating system holds
>>>> the largest market share of 70.77% globally, as of August 2023. iOS,
>>>> on the other hand, holds a global market share of 28.52%, as of
>>>> August 2023.Sep 9, 2023
>>>>
>>>> iOS vs Android Market Share by Country - Yahoo Finance
>>>> Yahoo Finance
>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com › news › ios-vs-android-mark...
>>>
>>> Of course Android has a bigger market share than iOS ... because
>>> there are "60" Android phone manufacturers with numerous different
>>> models, but only 1 iOS phone manufacturer with about five different
>>> models. The Android makers also have lots of low-end cheap garbage
>>> (some using 10 year old tech) while Apple concentrates on the
>>> higher-end of the market.
>>>
>>> The same happens if you compare Ford with Ferrari, or numerous other
>>> 1-to-many / low-to-high comparisons.
>>
>> Wrong comparison. Android also sells phones more expensive than Apple.
>
> If you actually want a mobile phone comparison that is a bit better
> 1-to-1, you need to look at Apple vs Samsung (although Samsung does make
> lower-end phones as well, so it is still a little lop-sided).
>

No, that's not a fair comparison either, because Apple has no "internal"
competition, while Samsung has a lot of competition (from other makers
making Android phones).

> In terms of global market share, in October 2023, Apple had 29.67% while
> Samsung had 24.67%.
>
> In terms of sales, until Q1 2023, globally, the iPhone was outselling
> Samsung's phones. It was only with those Q1 23023 figures that Samsung
> took the lead - partly because Samsung had just released new models and
> many iPhone fans would have been waiting for the upcoming model before
> buying.
>
> As always, it also depends on which statistics you want to believe.
>
>

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-06 13:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 21:42, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06 13:12:55 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-06 13:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
>>>>> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
>>>>> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android
>>>>> info.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting here?
>>>>> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world
>>>>> market.
>>>>
>>>> Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand what
>>>> quality is, and why it costs more.
>>>
>>> Nevertheless, it is a fact that globally, Android sells more than
>>> Apple; the world is not the USA.
>>>
>>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=world+sales+of+Android+vs+Apple>
>>>
>>> About 204,000,000 results (0.41 seconds)
>>>
>>> According to StatCounter, the Android mobile operating system holds
>>> the largest market share of 70.77% globally, as of August 2023. iOS,
>>> on the other hand, holds a global market share of 28.52%, as of
>>> August 2023.Sep 9, 2023
>>>
>>> iOS vs Android Market Share by Country - Yahoo Finance
>>> Yahoo Finance
>>> https://finance.yahoo.com › news › ios-vs-android-mark...
>>
>> Of course Android has a bigger market share than iOS ... because there
>> are "60" Android phone manufacturers with numerous different models,
>> but only 1 iOS phone manufacturer with about five different models.
>> The Android makers also have lots of low-end cheap garbage (some using
>> 10 year old tech) while Apple concentrates on the higher-end of the
>> market.
>>
>> The same happens if you compare Ford with Ferrari, or numerous other
>> 1-to-many / low-to-high comparisons.
>
> Wrong comparison. Android also sells phones more expensive than Apple.
>

Are you high?

Seriously, are you on drugs or perhaps just drunk?

You need to compare LIKE to LIKE.

Apple doesn't sell cheap phones.

On 2023-11-07 02:30, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 13:22, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06 21:42, Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-06 13:12:55 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-11-06 13:54, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-06 00:09, Larry Wolff wrote:
>>>>>> Maybe you needed to look at what posted this thread before you spoke?
>>>>>> It goes by the name of Alan Browne and it has never posted Android
>>>>>> info.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has probably never used an Android phone so why is it posting
>>>>>> here?
>>>>>> It trolls because it doesn't like that Android controls the world
>>>>>> market.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a troll, just some fact so the Apple haters will understand
>>>>> what quality is, and why it costs more.
>>>>
>>>> Nevertheless, it is a fact that globally, Android sells more than
>>>> Apple; the world is not the USA.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=world+sales+of+Android+vs+Apple>
>>>>
>>>> About 204,000,000 results (0.41 seconds)
>>>>
>>>> According to StatCounter, the Android mobile operating system holds
>>>> the largest market share of 70.77% globally, as of August 2023. iOS,
>>>> on the other hand, holds a global market share of 28.52%, as of
>>>> August 2023.Sep 9, 2023
>>>>
>>>> iOS vs Android Market Share by Country - Yahoo Finance
>>>> Yahoo Finance
>>>> https://finance.yahoo.com › news › ios-vs-android-mark...
>>>
>>> Of course Android has a bigger market share than iOS ... because
>>> there are "60" Android phone manufacturers with numerous different
>>> models, but only 1 iOS phone manufacturer with about five different
>>> models. The Android makers also have lots of low-end cheap garbage
>>> (some using 10 year old tech) while Apple concentrates on the
>>> higher-end of the market.
>>>
>>> The same happens if you compare Ford with Ferrari, or numerous other
>>> 1-to-many / low-to-high comparisons.
>>
>> Wrong comparison. Android also sells phones more expensive than Apple.
>>
>
> Are you high?
>
> Seriously, are you on drugs or perhaps just drunk?
>
> You need to compare LIKE to LIKE.
>
> Apple doesn't sell cheap phones.

Are you high?

Seriously, are you on drugs or perhaps just drunk?

Fanboy, do you insult everybody you are talking with, taking chats
against Apple as a personal insult?

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Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

Carlos E. R., 2023-11-06 22:22:

> On 2023-11-06 21:42, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2023-11-06 13:12:55 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
[...]
>> Of course Android has a bigger market share than iOS ... because there
>> are "60" Android phone manufacturers with numerous different models, but
>> only 1 iOS phone manufacturer with about five different models. The
>> Android makers also have lots of low-end cheap garbage (some using 10
>> year old tech) while Apple concentrates on the higher-end of the market.
>>
>> The same happens if you compare Ford with Ferrari, or numerous other
>> 1-to-many / low-to-high comparisons.
>
> Wrong comparison. Android also sells phones more expensive than Apple.

It makes little sense compare a *vendor* like Apple with an *OS* like
Android. If Apple would license iOS to other vendors, the market share
of iOS would also increase. However Apple also don't want to give up
full control over the hardware, therefore they don't do this.

As of Q2 2023:

Samsung: 20%
Apple: 17%
Xiaomi: 12%

But these numbers change over time. In Q4 2022, Apple had 22% and
Samsung only 17% global smartphone market share and the positions are
not continously developing in one or another direction - they tend to
change forth and back.

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Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de