If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:

If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456

Andre Jute
A la lanterne!

On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:12:04 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
<fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
>
>If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
>https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456

Too bad the article didn't provide any sources for its heart attack
data, which is useful for substantiating the authors claims.

Perhaps it's because the data just shows a trend toward increased
heart attacks?
"Heart Disease and Stroke Statistics 2021 (American Heart Assoc)"
<https://www.heart.org/-/media/phd-files-2/science-news/2/2021-heart-and-stroke-stat-update/2021_heart_disease_and_stroke_statistics_update_whats_new.pdf>
Note that the data and graphs do NOT include 2020 and 2021, but do
show a trend towards increased heart related fatalities.

Here's another possibility:
"US Deaths From Heart Disease and Diabetes Climbed Amid COVID"
<https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-06-09/us-deaths-from-heart-disease-and-diabetes-climbed-amid-covid>
The U.S. saw remarkable increases in the death rates
for heart disease, diabetes and some other common
killers in 2020, and experts believe a big reason may
be that many people with dangerous symptoms made the
lethal mistake of staying away from the hospital for
fear of catching the coronavirus.

However, for purposes of this discussion, I'll assume that the likely
cause of an increase in heart attack deaths is the most politically
expedient explanation and which sells the most books for the author.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 11:12:06 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
>
> If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
> https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456

Last month more deaths were attributed to the boosters than covid even discounting that covid is a hoax.

Here us my usual discussion: I show them the CDC data that shows NO elevated respiratory deaths for the last two years. Then I show them that this is the CDC data and not some flat earth society. Their reaction? "What do you know?" These are the people who have been completely hypnotized by the left.. These are the people willing to throw away everything they worked their entire lives for to support people who mean them the worst lives possible. https://humansarefree.com/2021/12/this-is-how-we-win.html

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 11:32:58 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:12:04 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
> >
> >If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
> >https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
> Too bad the article didn't provide any sources for its heart attack
> data, which is useful for substantiating the authors claims.
>
> Perhaps it's because the data just shows a trend toward increased
> heart attacks?
> "Heart Disease and Stroke Statistics 2021 (American Heart Assoc)"
> <https://www.heart.org/-/media/phd-files-2/science-news/2/2021-heart-and-stroke-stat-update/2021_heart_disease_and_stroke_statistics_update_whats_new.pdf>
> Note that the data and graphs do NOT include 2020 and 2021, but do
> show a trend towards increased heart related fatalities.
>
> Here's another possibility:
> "US Deaths From Heart Disease and Diabetes Climbed Amid COVID"
> <https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-06-09/us-deaths-from-heart-disease-and-diabetes-climbed-amid-covid>
> The U.S. saw remarkable increases in the death rates
> for heart disease, diabetes and some other common
> killers in 2020, and experts believe a big reason may
> be that many people with dangerous symptoms made the
> lethal mistake of staying away from the hospital for
> fear of catching the coronavirus.
>
> However, for purposes of this discussion, I'll assume that the likely
> cause of an increase in heart attack deaths is the most politically
> expedient explanation and which sells the most books for the author.

It doesn't seem the least bit odd that the increased heart attacks are in the most vaccinated areas does it? https://www.fastrope.com/excess-deaths-exploding-despite-mass-vaccination/

On 12/12/2021 1:12 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
>
> If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
> https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
>
> Andre Jute
> A la lanterne!
>

The Return Of Lysenko.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:44:14 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>It doesn't seem the least bit odd that the increased heart attacks are in the most vaccinated areas does it? https://www.fastrope.com/excess-deaths-exploding-despite-mass-vaccination/

The fastrope.com article cites VAERS as it's source of data:
<https://www.fastrope.com/jab-data/>
<https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html>
VAERS is a crowd sources database, where anyone can contribute their
"information" without verification. From the above page:
The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
database contains information on unverified reports
of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or
symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed
vaccines. Reports are accepted from anyone and can
be submitted electronically at www.vaers.hhs.gov.

From the disclaimer on the same page:
VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if
a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event
or illness. The reports may contain information that
is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable.

Garbage in. Amazing revelations out. To make sure that what you read
is garbage, the disclaimer warns that the public only gets to see the
crowd sourced data:
VAERS data available to the public include only the
initial report data to VAERS. Updated data which
contains data from medical records and corrections
reported during follow up are used by the government
for analysis. However, for numerous reasons including
data consistency, these amended data are not available
to the public.

Take a look at the Covid-19 Vaccine Deaths graph at the top of the
page:
<https://www.fastrope.com/jab-data/>
Notice the almost perfect straight line increase. Ever see data
that's so perfect? I have, but only in dry lab type of experiments
and fabricated data. Real data is never so perfect. My guess(tm) is
someone is contriving a fixed number of deaths and submitting the same
number of deaths to the VAERS database every week.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:09:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/12/2021 1:12 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
> >
> > If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
> > https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > A la lanterne!
> >
> The Return Of Lysenko.

When you can see that the most heavily vaccinated areas have the most "covbid-19" deaths and the least vaccinated have the least you would think that the Congress who has been bringing Fauci before them would ask questions about this. But for some reason I am beginning to wonder if both sides don't see this as a means of controlling a populace through fear.

On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:44:14 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 11:32:58 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:12:04 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
>> >
>> >If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
>> >https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
>> Too bad the article didn't provide any sources for its heart attack
>> data, which is useful for substantiating the authors claims.
>>
>> Perhaps it's because the data just shows a trend toward increased
>> heart attacks?
>> "Heart Disease and Stroke Statistics 2021 (American Heart Assoc)"
>> <https://www.heart.org/-/media/phd-files-2/science-news/2/2021-heart-and-stroke-stat-update/2021_heart_disease_and_stroke_statistics_update_whats_new.pdf>
>> Note that the data and graphs do NOT include 2020 and 2021, but do
>> show a trend towards increased heart related fatalities.
>>
>> Here's another possibility:
>> "US Deaths From Heart Disease and Diabetes Climbed Amid COVID"
>> <https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-06-09/us-deaths-from-heart-disease-and-diabetes-climbed-amid-covid>
>> The U.S. saw remarkable increases in the death rates
>> for heart disease, diabetes and some other common
>> killers in 2020, and experts believe a big reason may
>> be that many people with dangerous symptoms made the
>> lethal mistake of staying away from the hospital for
>> fear of catching the coronavirus.
>>
>> However, for purposes of this discussion, I'll assume that the likely
>> cause of an increase in heart attack deaths is the most politically
>> expedient explanation and which sells the most books for the author.
>
>It doesn't seem the least bit odd that the increased heart attacks are in the most vaccinated areas does it? https://www.fastrope.com/excess-deaths-exploding-despite-mass-vaccination/

But Tommy, Thailand has no increased heart attacks and Singapore has
no increased heart attacks and while Thailand is only about 62%
vaccinated, Singapore, I read yesterday is about, 85% vaccinated.

So if your story has any basis in fact then why not here?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:32:58 PM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:12:04 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
> >
> >If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
> >https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
> Too bad the article didn't provide any sources for its heart attack
> data, which is useful for substantiating the authors claims.
>
> However, for purposes of this discussion, I'll assume that the likely
> cause of an increase in heart attack deaths is the most politically
> expedient explanation and which sells the most books for the author.
>
Damn right too. I wouldn't expect anything less from my friends, editors, publishers, publicists and other horny-handed sons of toil.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 14:26:18 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:44:14 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>It doesn't seem the least bit odd that the increased heart attacks are in the most vaccinated areas does it? https://www.fastrope.com/excess-deaths-exploding-despite-mass-vaccination/
>
>The fastrope.com article cites VAERS as it's source of data:
><https://www.fastrope.com/jab-data/>
><https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html>
>VAERS is a crowd sources database, where anyone can contribute their
>"information" without verification. From the above page:
> The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
> database contains information on unverified reports
> of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or
> symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed
> vaccines. Reports are accepted from anyone and can
> be submitted electronically at www.vaers.hhs.gov.
>
>From the disclaimer on the same page:
> VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if
> a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event
> or illness. The reports may contain information that
> is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable.
>
>Garbage in. Amazing revelations out. To make sure that what you read
>is garbage, the disclaimer warns that the public only gets to see the
>crowd sourced data:
> VAERS data available to the public include only the
> initial report data to VAERS. Updated data which
> contains data from medical records and corrections
> reported during follow up are used by the government
> for analysis. However, for numerous reasons including
> data consistency, these amended data are not available
> to the public.
>
>Take a look at the Covid-19 Vaccine Deaths graph at the top of the
>page:
><https://www.fastrope.com/jab-data/>
>Notice the almost perfect straight line increase. Ever see data
>that's so perfect? I have, but only in dry lab type of experiments
>and fabricated data. Real data is never so perfect. My guess(tm) is
>someone is contriving a fixed number of deaths and submitting the same
>number of deaths to the VAERS database every week.

Ah, but you see, as Will Rogers once said, "It isn't what we don't
know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so."

(one assumes that he knew Tommy :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 14:48:33 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:09:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 12/12/2021 1:12 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>> > If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
>> >
>> > If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
>> > https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
>> >
>> > Andre Jute
>> > A la lanterne!
>> >
>> The Return Of Lysenko.
>
>When you can see that the most heavily vaccinated areas have the most "covbid-19" deaths and the least vaccinated have the least you would think that the Congress who has been bringing Fauci before them would ask questions about this. But for some reason I am beginning to wonder if both sides don't see this as a means of controlling a populace through fear.

As I previously posted:
"But Tommy, Thailand has no increased heart attacks and Singapore has
no increased heart attacks and while Thailand is only about 62%
vaccinated, Singapore, I read yesterday is about, 85% vaccinated.

So if your story has any basis in fact then why not here? "

So tell us Tommy, if your theory is correct how is it that us Asian
"Wogs" ain't dropping like fruit flies and you 'mericans are?

You don't suppose it is because y'all just ain't healthy?
https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/coronary-heart-disease/by-country/
Coronary Heart Disease
Death Rate Per 100,000
USA - 79.21

Thailand - 63.1
Singapore - 54.6
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 1:34:20 AM UTC, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 14:48:33 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:09:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 12/12/2021 1:12 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> > If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
> >> >
> >> > If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
> >> > https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
> >> >
> >> > Andre Jute
> >> > A la lanterne!
> >> >
> >> The Return Of Lysenko.
> >
> >When you can see that the most heavily vaccinated areas have the most "covbid-19" deaths and the least vaccinated have the least you would think that the Congress who has been bringing Fauci before them would ask questions about this. But for some reason I am beginning to wonder if both sides don't see this as a means of controlling a populace through fear.
> As I previously posted:
> "But Tommy, Thailand has no increased heart attacks and Singapore has
> no increased heart attacks and while Thailand is only about 62%
> vaccinated, Singapore, I read yesterday is about, 85% vaccinated.
>
> So if your story has any basis in fact then why not here? "
> So tell us Tommy, if your theory is correct how is it that us Asian
> "Wogs" ain't dropping like fruit flies and you 'mericans are?
>
> You don't suppose it is because y'all just ain't healthy?
> https://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/cause-of-death/coronary-heart-disease/by-country/
> Coronary Heart Disease
> Death Rate Per 100,000
> USA - 79.21
>
> Thailand - 63.1
> Singapore - 54.6
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.
>
Ah, you poor wee man, that's been Tom's argument all along, that people are dying from the normal diseases -- obesity, heart disease, old age, typhoid, mad cow disease, black death, Spanish flu, being an asshole like Frank Krygowski, and it is all written down as from the Chinese Virus. I thought your job in the gang of slime, trying to leave a mark on Tom and failing ignominiously, was to grind his face in the facts, and now we discover that all along you've been secretly -- except the secret is out now -- been agreeing with Tom 101 percent.

Congratulations, Slow Johnny, on coming to your senses. It's taken you long enough.

Andre Jute
it's a great feeling bringing peace and cooperation to this world, especially in this season of goodwill to all except the enemies of society

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:48:35 PM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:09:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 12/12/2021 1:12 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
> > >
> > > If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
> > > https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
> > >
> > > Andre Jute
> > > A la lanterne!
> > >
> > The Return Of Lysenko.
> When you can see that the most heavily vaccinated areas have the most "covbid-19" deaths and the least vaccinated have the least you would think that the Congress who has been bringing Fauci before them would ask questions about this. But for some reason I am beginning to wonder if both sides don't see this as a means of controlling a populace through fear.

Right, Tom. Damn that Trump character for "fast tracking" this deadly vaccine! Damn him for getting vaccinated himself!
What sort of example was he setting for the maniacal right wing???

- Frank Krygowski

On 12/12/2021 11:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:48:35 PM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:09:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 12/12/2021 1:12 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>> If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
>>>>
>>>> If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
>>>>
>>>> Andre Jute
>>>> A la lanterne!
>>>>
>>> The Return Of Lysenko.
>> When you can see that the most heavily vaccinated areas have the most "covbid-19" deaths and the least vaccinated have the least you would think that the Congress who has been bringing Fauci before them would ask questions about this. But for some reason I am beginning to wonder if both sides don't see this as a means of controlling a populace through fear.
>
> Right, Tom. Damn that Trump character for "fast tracking" this deadly vaccine! Damn him for getting vaccinated himself!
> What sort of example was he setting for the maniacal right wing???
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>

There's been a lot of disinformation but eventually serious
people do serious analyses:

https://denvergazette.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-colorado-s-costly-attempts-to-curb-covid/article_1747741e-440f-11ec-8ee6-2b35a9477e33.html

https://i2i.org/how-covid-lockdowns-destroy-small-businesses-and-aggravate-inequality/

The lack of correlation is blatant. However, I'm not sure
that, in a nation where most people rely on walk-around
telephone 'news', future policy makers will note these
disasters with a little humility, as they ought.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 12/12/2021 11:32 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:12:04 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
>>
>> If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
>> https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
>
> Too bad the article didn't provide any sources for its heart attack
> data, which is useful for substantiating the authors claims.

Bottom line is that it's not even half true, one-third true, one-quarter
true, ad infinitum.

Andre may be interested in A&W's new 3/9ths pound burger. It was
launched after the epic failure of A&W's 1/3 pound burger because too
many customers said they wouldn't buy an A&W 1/3 pound burger because
McDonald's offered a 1/4 pound burger at the same price and that 1/4 was
more than 1/3 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMNqJQaf08E>.

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 2:58:27 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/12/2021 11:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:48:35 PM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:09:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>> On 12/12/2021 1:12 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>> If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
> >>>>
> >>>> If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
> >>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
> >>>>
> >>>> Andre Jute
> >>>> A la lanterne!
> >>>>
> >>> The Return Of Lysenko.
> >> When you can see that the most heavily vaccinated areas have the most "covbid-19" deaths and the least vaccinated have the least you would think that the Congress who has been bringing Fauci before them would ask questions about this. But for some reason I am beginning to wonder if both sides don't see this as a means of controlling a populace through fear.
> >
> > Right, Tom. Damn that Trump character for "fast tracking" this deadly vaccine! Damn him for getting vaccinated himself!
> > What sort of example was he setting for the maniacal right wing???
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> There's been a lot of disinformation but eventually serious
> people do serious analyses:
>
> https://denvergazette.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-colorado-s-costly-attempts-to-curb-covid/article_1747741e-440f-11ec-8ee6-2b35a9477e33.html
>
> https://i2i.org/how-covid-lockdowns-destroy-small-businesses-and-aggravate-inequality/
>
> The lack of correlation is blatant. However, I'm not sure
> that, in a nation where most people rely on walk-around
> telephone 'news', future policy makers will note these
> disasters with a little humility, as they ought.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Our government is looking for the right balance. It is difficult. We here don't want healthcare to get overloaded so that we can get in a situation that we have to choose who we will be treated in case of an emergency. We tried to loosen the measurements twice this year and yet again we are in a partial lock down because of an overloaded healthcare.

Lou

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:26:25 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:44:14 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >It doesn't seem the least bit odd that the increased heart attacks are in the most vaccinated areas does it? https://www.fastrope.com/excess-deaths-exploding-despite-mass-vaccination/
> The fastrope.com article cites VAERS as it's source of data:
> <https://www.fastrope.com/jab-data/>
> <https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html>
> VAERS is a crowd sources database, where anyone can contribute their
> "information" without verification. From the above page:
> The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
> database contains information on unverified reports
> of adverse events (illnesses, health problems and/or
> symptoms) following immunization with US-licensed
> vaccines. Reports are accepted from anyone and can
> be submitted electronically at www.vaers.hhs.gov.
>
> From the disclaimer on the same page:
> VAERS reports alone cannot be used to determine if
> a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event
> or illness. The reports may contain information that
> is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable.
>
> Garbage in. Amazing revelations out. To make sure that what you read
> is garbage, the disclaimer warns that the public only gets to see the
> crowd sourced data:
> VAERS data available to the public include only the
> initial report data to VAERS. Updated data which
> contains data from medical records and corrections
> reported during follow up are used by the government
> for analysis. However, for numerous reasons including
> data consistency, these amended data are not available
> to the public.
>
> Take a look at the Covid-19 Vaccine Deaths graph at the top of the
> page:
> <https://www.fastrope.com/jab-data/>
> Notice the almost perfect straight line increase. Ever see data
> that's so perfect? I have, but only in dry lab type of experiments
> and fabricated data. Real data is never so perfect. My guess(tm) is
> someone is contriving a fixed number of deaths and submitting the same
> number of deaths to the VAERS database every week.

Jeff, I know that like all far left extremists you have no taste of facing reality but New York and Florida are approximately the same population

Here are numbers of ACTUAL body counts from these states.

New York ages 65-74

2019 = 17849
2020 = 22993
2021 = 21564 (last 5 weeks averaged)

29% increase 2019 to 2020
6.7% decrease between 2020 and 2021

Florida

2019 52256 Florida is the retirement state.
2020 62465
2021 66340

19% increase from 2019 to 2020 in the reportedly most dangerous age group.
6% increase from 2020 to 2021

What this shows for the totally brain dead is that NOTHING made one bit of difference. There was NO statistical difference between New York and Florida. There was a FLU outbreak that didn't kill a lot of people in 2020 in the from the 7th week and was gone by the 14th week. Otherwise ALL of the excess deaths were from circulatory diseases.

Why don't you tell me how much you know about medical R&D because you're so experienced with it?

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 4:35:54 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 7:32:58 PM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:12:04 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
> > <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > >If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
> > >
> > >If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
> > >https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
> > Too bad the article didn't provide any sources for its heart attack
> > data, which is useful for substantiating the authors claims.
> >
> > However, for purposes of this discussion, I'll assume that the likely
> > cause of an increase in heart attack deaths is the most politically
> > expedient explanation and which sells the most books for the author.
> >
> Damn right too. I wouldn't expect anything less from my friends, editors, publishers, publicists and other horny-handed sons of toil.

Dumbshit Lieberman thinks that sitting on his sofa he can tell that the largest number of deaths which are clearly marked by the CDC are lies because he wills them so.

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 9:09:18 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:48:35 PM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:09:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 12/12/2021 1:12 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
> > > >
> > > > If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
> > > > https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
> > > >
> > > > Andre Jute
> > > > A la lanterne!
> > > >
> > > The Return Of Lysenko.
> > When you can see that the most heavily vaccinated areas have the most "covbid-19" deaths and the least vaccinated have the least you would think that the Congress who has been bringing Fauci before them would ask questions about this. But for some reason I am beginning to wonder if both sides don't see this as a means of controlling a populace through fear.
> Right, Tom. Damn that Trump character for "fast tracking" this deadly vaccine! Damn him for getting vaccinated himself!
> What sort of example was he setting for the maniacal right wing???

More clever misinformation from Frank. Is that any surprise? Why is it that the initial vaccines didn't cause blood clots which were mediated by impurities in the vaccines such as GRAPHENE? A one dimensional material that seeks itself and forms blockages in veins and arteries?

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 7:12:24 AM UTC-8, lou.h...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 2:58:27 PM UTC+1, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 12/12/2021 11:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:48:35 PM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:09:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>> On 12/12/2021 1:12 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > >>>> If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
> > >>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Andre Jute
> > >>>> A la lanterne!
> > >>>>
> > >>> The Return Of Lysenko.
> > >> When you can see that the most heavily vaccinated areas have the most "covbid-19" deaths and the least vaccinated have the least you would think that the Congress who has been bringing Fauci before them would ask questions about this. But for some reason I am beginning to wonder if both sides don't see this as a means of controlling a populace through fear.
> > >
> > > Right, Tom. Damn that Trump character for "fast tracking" this deadly vaccine! Damn him for getting vaccinated himself!
> > > What sort of example was he setting for the maniacal right wing???
> > >
> > > - Frank Krygowski
> > >
> > There's been a lot of disinformation but eventually serious
> > people do serious analyses:
> >
> > https://denvergazette.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-colorado-s-costly-attempts-to-curb-covid/article_1747741e-440f-11ec-8ee6-2b35a9477e33.html
> >
> > https://i2i.org/how-covid-lockdowns-destroy-small-businesses-and-aggravate-inequality/
> >
> > The lack of correlation is blatant. However, I'm not sure
> > that, in a nation where most people rely on walk-around
> > telephone 'news', future policy makers will note these
> > disasters with a little humility, as they ought.
> > --
> > Andrew Muzi
> > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> Our government is looking for the right balance. It is difficult. We here don't want healthcare to get overloaded so that we can get in a situation that we have to choose who we will be treated in case of an emergency. We tried to loosen the measurements twice this year and yet again we are in a partial lock down because of an overloaded healthcare.

I have to agree with President Reagan that the government RARELY does anyone any good. They simply make a lot of noise. If you look at these long term studies of masks, you can see that as I said, there is no REAL statistical help from N95 surgeons masks and no detectable help from a regular paper or cloth mask. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFCYv0X4kf4 So for any government to demand people wear these things, is to do nothing but attempt to control their populace through fear.

Australia has become nothing more than a dictatorship in which absolute tyranny reins. You can expect this from ANY country that is give but half a chance. The numbers I showed to Leiberman shows that there has been no help from any of the vaccines that the elevated levels appearing in 2021 Florida were not from a lack of vaccinations but from the mass exodus of older people from New York to Florida.

On 12/13/2021 8:58 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/12/2021 11:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>> Right, Tom. Damn that Trump character for "fast tracking" this deadly
>> vaccine! Damn him for getting vaccinated himself!
>> What sort of example was he setting for the maniacal right wing???
>
> There's been a lot of disinformation but eventually serious people do
> serious analyses:
>
> https://denvergazette.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-colorado-s-costly-attempts-to-curb-covid/article_1747741e-440f-11ec-8ee6-2b35a9477e33.html

Executive summary: We knew COVID responses were going to have some
negative consequences. They did. And poor people were impacted more than
wealthy people. IOW, the quantification provides no real surprises.

But questions arise:

Should the government have done nothing? Just let the disease run its
course? Places that dabbled in that strategy did no better.

In many places, health care was close to collapse even with the measures
taken. What would the health care system have looked like without any
government response?

For a rough analogy, think of Britain in, oh, 1940. There was a real
problem occurring. People were certainly suffering, and the suffering
was greater for some than for others. Should the government have taken
no action at all? There were some few pacifists who believed that, but
it was never a very popular opinion.

Back to the present: Since the wealthy suffered relatively little
impact* from this virus, should they not be taxed at a higher rate to
help those with lower income and more bad consequences?

* (I'm sure there was some suffering. "Buffy dearest! We can't possibly
be out of Brie! How will we get by??")

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 12/12/2021 22:58, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:44:14 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 11:32:58 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 11:12:04 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
>>> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
>>>>
>>>> If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
>>> Too bad the article didn't provide any sources for its heart attack
>>> data, which is useful for substantiating the authors claims.
>>>
>>> Perhaps it's because the data just shows a trend toward increased
>>> heart attacks?
>>> "Heart Disease and Stroke Statistics 2021 (American Heart Assoc)"
>>> <https://www.heart.org/-/media/phd-files-2/science-news/2/2021-heart-and-stroke-stat-update/2021_heart_disease_and_stroke_statistics_update_whats_new.pdf>
>>> Note that the data and graphs do NOT include 2020 and 2021, but do
>>> show a trend towards increased heart related fatalities.
>>>
>>> Here's another possibility:
>>> "US Deaths From Heart Disease and Diabetes Climbed Amid COVID"
>>> <https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-06-09/us-deaths-from-heart-disease-and-diabetes-climbed-amid-covid>
>>> The U.S. saw remarkable increases in the death rates
>>> for heart disease, diabetes and some other common
>>> killers in 2020, and experts believe a big reason may
>>> be that many people with dangerous symptoms made the
>>> lethal mistake of staying away from the hospital for
>>> fear of catching the coronavirus.
>>>
>>> However, for purposes of this discussion, I'll assume that the likely
>>> cause of an increase in heart attack deaths is the most politically
>>> expedient explanation and which sells the most books for the author.
>>
>> It doesn't seem the least bit odd that the increased heart attacks are in the most vaccinated areas does it? https://www.fastrope.com/excess-deaths-exploding-despite-mass-vaccination/
>
> But Tommy, Thailand has no increased heart attacks and Singapore has
> no increased heart attacks and while Thailand is only about 62%
> vaccinated, Singapore, I read yesterday is about, 85% vaccinated.
>

Thailand has very few mRNA vaccines. AIUI mRNA are the vaccines
implicated in heart issues such as myocarditis, pericarditis.

I can confirm I've had: AstraZeneca vaccine, Pfizer vaccine and Covid.
For me, the symptoms were pretty much the same for all 3. A day or two
flu like symptoms.

No heart attacks, blood clots or lasting effect on my health. I can
report that my knee has started playing up a bit, and I've had a
surprising number of punctures, I hold Covid responsible.

On 12/13/2021 10:05 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 12/13/2021 8:58 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 12/12/2021 11:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>> Right, Tom. Damn that Trump character for "fast tracking"
>>> this deadly vaccine! Damn him for getting vaccinated
>>> himself!
>>> What sort of example was he setting for the maniacal
>>> right wing???
>>
>> There's been a lot of disinformation but eventually
>> serious people do serious analyses:
>>
>> https://denvergazette.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-colorado-s-costly-attempts-to-curb-covid/article_1747741e-440f-11ec-8ee6-2b35a9477e33.html
>
>
> Executive summary: We knew COVID responses were going to
> have some negative consequences. They did. And poor people
> were impacted more than wealthy people. IOW, the
> quantification provides no real surprises.
>
> But questions arise:
>
> Should the government have done nothing? Just let the
> disease run its course? Places that dabbled in that strategy
> did no better.
>
> In many places, health care was close to collapse even with
> the measures taken. What would the health care system have
> looked like without any government response?
>
> For a rough analogy, think of Britain in, oh, 1940. There
> was a real problem occurring. People were certainly
> suffering, and the suffering was greater for some than for
> others. Should the government have taken no action at all?
> There were some few pacifists who believed that, but it was
> never a very popular opinion.
>
>
> Back to the present: Since the wealthy suffered relatively
> little impact* from this virus, should they not be taxed at
> a higher rate to help those with lower income and more bad
> consequences?
>
>
> * (I'm sure there was some suffering. "Buffy dearest! We
> can't possibly be out of Brie! How will we get by??")
>

That last part is satire? or what?
You can't really advocate policy based on envy over equality
before the law. Or did you?

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 5:58:27 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/12/2021 11:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:48:35 PM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:09:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>> On 12/12/2021 1:12 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>>> If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
> >>>>
> >>>> If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
> >>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
> >>>>
> >>>> Andre Jute
> >>>> A la lanterne!
> >>>>
> >>> The Return Of Lysenko.
> >> When you can see that the most heavily vaccinated areas have the most "covbid-19" deaths and the least vaccinated have the least you would think that the Congress who has been bringing Fauci before them would ask questions about this. But for some reason I am beginning to wonder if both sides don't see this as a means of controlling a populace through fear.
> >
> > Right, Tom. Damn that Trump character for "fast tracking" this deadly vaccine! Damn him for getting vaccinated himself!
> > What sort of example was he setting for the maniacal right wing???
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> There's been a lot of disinformation but eventually serious
> people do serious analyses:
>
> https://denvergazette.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-colorado-s-costly-attempts-to-curb-covid/article_1747741e-440f-11ec-8ee6-2b35a9477e33.html
>
> https://i2i.org/how-covid-lockdowns-destroy-small-businesses-and-aggravate-inequality/
>
> The lack of correlation is blatant. However, I'm not sure
> that, in a nation where most people rely on walk-around
> telephone 'news', future policy makers will note these
> disasters with a little humility, as they ought.

The greatest cost of this is going to be the end of the Democrat Party. They delighted in tyranny and now it is going to blow up in their faces.

On 12/13/2021 10:49 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 9:09:18 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:48:35 PM UTC-8, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 2:09:19 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 12/12/2021 1:12 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>> If this is even half-true, big pharma bosses will be swinging from lampposts:
>>>>>
>>>>> If the Vaccine Is So Great, Why Are So Many People Dropping Dead?
>>>>> https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/12/12/if-the-vaccine-is-so-great-why-are-so-many-people-dropping-dead-heart-attacks-skyrocket-young-children-suffer-heart-problems-soccer-players-drop-on-fields-icus-overwhelmed-from-coast-to-coast-n2600456
>>>>>
>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>> A la lanterne!
>>>>>
>>>> The Return Of Lysenko.
>>> When you can see that the most heavily vaccinated areas have the most "covbid-19" deaths and the least vaccinated have the least you would think that the Congress who has been bringing Fauci before them would ask questions about this. But for some reason I am beginning to wonder if both sides don't see this as a means of controlling a populace through fear.
>> Right, Tom. Damn that Trump character for "fast tracking" this deadly vaccine! Damn him for getting vaccinated himself!
>> What sort of example was he setting for the maniacal right wing???
>
> More clever misinformation from Frank. Is that any surprise? Why is it that the initial vaccines didn't cause blood clots which were mediated by impurities in the vaccines such as GRAPHENE? A one dimensional material that seeks itself and forms blockages in veins and arteries?

Wow.

--
- Frank Krygowski