On 2021-08-16 12:45 a.m., Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-15 9:00 p.m., Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> In article <sfa39j$cnk$1@dont-email.me>
>> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2021-08-14 12:02 p.m., allspam wrote:
>>>> In article <news:140820211406257201%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> nobody is accessing files on an iphone, certainly not apple.
>>>>
>>>> *No smartphone company lies more than does Apple.*
>>>> *No poster defending Apple lies more than does nospam.*
>>>
>>> No one posts under more nyms than Arlen.
>>
>> *No smartphone company lies more than does Apple.*
>>
>> Apple uses child labor to build their products.
>>
>
> Cite, please~

A routine web search would have found that but I guess you Apple users
are too lazy to do even the smallest amount of work. I'm guessing you
clowns are willfully ignorant as a result of using Apple News as your
main source of information.

<https://globalmarch.org/child-labour-growing-in-apple-supply-chain/> (2011)

<https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jan/25/apple-child-labour-supply>
(2013)

<https://bgr.com/tech/apple-factory-child-labor-laws/> (2017)

<https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-knowingly-used-child-labor-supplier-3-years-cut-costs-2020-12>
(2020)

--
SilverSlimer
@silverslimer

On 2021-08-16 8:37 a.m., SilverSlimer wrote:
> On 2021-08-16 12:45 a.m., Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-15 9:00 p.m., Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>> In article <sfa39j$cnk$1@dont-email.me>
>>> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2021-08-14 12:02 p.m., allspam wrote:
>>>>> In article <news:140820211406257201%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> nobody is accessing files on an iphone, certainly not apple.
>>>>>
>>>>> *No smartphone company lies more than does Apple.*
>>>>> *No poster defending Apple lies more than does nospam.*
>>>>
>>>> No one posts under more nyms than Arlen.
>>>
>>> *No smartphone company lies more than does Apple.*
>>>
>>> Apple uses child labor to build their products.
>>>
>>
>> Cite, please~
>
>
> A routine web search would have found that but I guess you Apple users
> are too lazy to do even the smallest amount of work. I'm guessing you
> clowns are willfully ignorant as a result of using Apple News as your
> main source of information.
>
> <https://globalmarch.org/child-labour-growing-in-apple-supply-chain/>
> (2011)

So, a decaded ago...

....and Apple was clearly taking steps to PREVENT it:

'91 cases of child labour were recorded during its own audits at
factories in China'

>
> <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jan/25/apple-child-labour-supply>
> (2013)

Again: Apple working to PREVENT it.

Do you think they have magic powers?

>
> <https://bgr.com/tech/apple-factory-child-labor-laws/> (2017)

Did you even READ this?

'“We do not tolerate underage labor in our supply chain. If we find
underage workers in our suppliers’ factories, we make the suppliers
return the children to their homes, pay for their education at a school
of their family’s choice, and continue to provide income for basic needs
until they reach the legal working age. We also enlist a third-party
organization to monitor the children’s progress and report back to us.
After they complete their education, suppliers must offer them
reemployment. In 2015, we found three cases of underage labor — and we
will continue to look for it.”'

>
> <https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-knowingly-used-child-labor-supplier-3-years-cut-costs-2020-12>
> (2020)

Which sounds current...

....until you actually read it...

....or more correctly, read the article it cites:

'Seven years ago, Apple made a staggering discovery: Among the employees
at a factory in China that made most of the computer ports used in its
MacBooks were two 15-year-olds. Apple told the manufacturer, Suyin
Electronics, that it wouldn’t get any new business until it improved
employee screening to ensure no more people under 16 years of age got
hired.'

<https://www.theinformation.com/articles/apple-took-three-years-to-cut-ties-with-supplier-that-used-underage-labor>

So not 2020, but rather 2013...

....or at the most 2017...

....because Apple stopped doing business with Suyin over this issue:

'Seven years ago, Apple made a staggering discovery: Among the employees
at a factory in China that made most of the computer ports used in its
MacBooks were two 15-year-olds. Apple told the manufacturer, Suyin
Electronics, that it wouldn’t get any new business until it improved
employee screening to ensure no more people under 16 years of age got hired.

Suyin pledged to do so, but an audit by Apple three months later found
three more underage workers, including a 14-year-old. Apple, which has
promised to ban suppliers that repeatedly use underage workers, stopped
giving Suyin new business because of the violations. But it took Apple
more than three years to fully cut its ties with Suyin, which continued
to make HDMI, USB and other ports for older MacBooks under previous
contracts. A person close to Suyin, which is headquartered in Taiwan,
said that the company hadn’t intentionally hired underage workers and
that it had passed Apple’s audits in later years'

So you've basically managed to show that Apple takes considerable pains
to prevent child labour from being used at its suppliers.

Thank you!

On 2021-08-16 12:10 p.m., Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-16 8:37 a.m., SilverSlimer wrote:
>> On 2021-08-16 12:45 a.m., Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-15 9:00 p.m., Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>> In article <sfa39j$cnk$1@dont-email.me>
>>>> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-08-14 12:02 p.m., allspam wrote:
>>>>>> In article <news:140820211406257201%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>>>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> nobody is accessing files on an iphone, certainly not apple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *No smartphone company lies more than does Apple.*
>>>>>> *No poster defending Apple lies more than does nospam.*
>>>>>
>>>>> No one posts under more nyms than Arlen.
>>>>
>>>> *No smartphone company lies more than does Apple.*
>>>>
>>>> Apple uses child labor to build their products.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Cite, please~
>>
>>
>> A routine web search would have found that but I guess you Apple users
>> are too lazy to do even the smallest amount of work. I'm guessing you
>> clowns are willfully ignorant as a result of using Apple News as your
>> main source of information.
>>
>> <https://globalmarch.org/child-labour-growing-in-apple-supply-chain/>
>> (2011)
>
> So, a decaded ago...
>
> ...and Apple was clearly taking steps to PREVENT it:
>
> '91 cases of child labour were recorded during its own audits at
> factories in China'

Meanwhile, it is still a _fact_ that Apple hardware was produced with
child labour.

>> <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jan/25/apple-child-labour-supply>
>> (2013)
>
> Again: Apple working to PREVENT it.
>
> Do you think they have magic powers?

One good way of stopping the use of child labour is to terminate the
contract of those factories which produce your hardware with it. Apple
didn't do that; Apple continued using those factories and made the media
believe that it was working to stop it even when it wasn't.

>> <https://bgr.com/tech/apple-factory-child-labor-laws/> (2017)
>
> Did you even READ this?
>
> '“We do not tolerate underage labor in our supply chain. If we find
> underage workers in our suppliers’ factories, we make the suppliers
> return the children to their homes, pay for their education at a school
> of their family’s choice, and continue to provide income for basic needs
> until they reach the legal working age. We also enlist a third-party
> organization to monitor the children’s progress and report back to us.
> After they complete their education, suppliers must offer them
> reemployment. In 2015, we found three cases of underage labor — and we
> will continue to look for it.”'

This is similar to how the World Wrestling Entertainment help their
athletes deal with their addictions to pain killers and other drugs by
sending them to rehabilitation and then release them from their contract
the moment they get better. They make policy claims to the public all
the while continuing to make use of child labour in the background.

>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-knowingly-used-child-labor-supplier-3-years-cut-costs-2020-12>
>> (2020)
>
> Which sounds current...
>
> ...until you actually read it...
>
> ...or more correctly, read the article it cites:
>
> 'Seven years ago, Apple made a staggering discovery: Among the employees
> at a factory in China that made most of the computer ports used in its
> MacBooks were two 15-year-olds. Apple told the manufacturer, Suyin
> Electronics, that it wouldn’t get any new business until it improved
> employee screening to ensure no more people under 16 years of age got
> hired.'
>
> <https://www.theinformation.com/articles/apple-took-three-years-to-cut-ties-with-supplier-that-used-underage-labor>
>
>
> So not 2020, but rather 2013...
>
> ...or at the most 2017...
>
> ...because Apple stopped doing business with Suyin over this issue:
>
> 'Seven years ago, Apple made a staggering discovery: Among the employees
> at a factory in China that made most of the computer ports used in its
> MacBooks were two 15-year-olds. Apple told the manufacturer, Suyin
> Electronics, that it wouldn’t get any new business until it improved
> employee screening to ensure no more people under 16 years of age got
> hired.
>
> Suyin pledged to do so, but an audit by Apple three months later found
> three more underage workers, including a 14-year-old. Apple, which has
> promised to ban suppliers that repeatedly use underage workers, stopped
> giving Suyin new business because of the violations. But it took Apple
> more than three years to fully cut its ties with Suyin, which continued
> to make HDMI, USB and other ports for older MacBooks under previous
> contracts. A person close to Suyin, which is headquartered in Taiwan,
> said that the company hadn’t intentionally hired underage workers and
> that it had passed Apple’s audits in later years'
>
> So you've basically managed to show that Apple takes considerable pains
> to prevent child labour from being used at its suppliers.
>
> Thank you!

Shilling for Apple noted.

--
SilverSlimer
@silverslimer

SilverSlimer wrote:

>One good way of stopping the use of child labour is to terminate the
>contract of those factories which produce your hardware with it.

They should pull out of China entirely. They are aiding and abetting
the enemy. The greedy fscks don't give a damn, though.

--
"I think there was some 40 to 50 million more votes than registered
voters in the U.S." - kook RonB (Gosh, *that* wouldn't get noticed,
would it?)

On 2021-08-16 10:16 a.m., SilverSlimer wrote:
> On 2021-08-16 12:10 p.m., Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-16 8:37 a.m., SilverSlimer wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-16 12:45 a.m., Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-15 9:00 p.m., Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>> In article <sfa39j$cnk$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-08-14 12:02 p.m., allspam wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <news:140820211406257201%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>>>>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> nobody is accessing files on an iphone, certainly not apple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *No smartphone company lies more than does Apple.*
>>>>>>> *No poster defending Apple lies more than does nospam.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one posts under more nyms than Arlen.
>>>>>
>>>>> *No smartphone company lies more than does Apple.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple uses child labor to build their products.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cite, please~
>>>
>>>
>>> A routine web search would have found that but I guess you Apple
>>> users are too lazy to do even the smallest amount of work. I'm
>>> guessing you clowns are willfully ignorant as a result of using Apple
>>> News as your main source of information.
>>>
>>> <https://globalmarch.org/child-labour-growing-in-apple-supply-chain/>
>>> (2011)
>>
>> So, a decaded ago...
>>
>> ...and Apple was clearly taking steps to PREVENT it:
>>
>> '91 cases of child labour were recorded during its own audits at
>> factories in China'
>
> Meanwhile, it is still a _fact_ that Apple hardware was produced with
> child labour.

Which is not actually what was claimed, is it?

Apple doesn't USE child labour, and when it finds that one of its
suppliers does, it takes action to stop it.

>
>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jan/25/apple-child-labour-supply>
>>> (2013)
>>
>> Again: Apple working to PREVENT it.
>>
>> Do you think they have magic powers?
>
> One good way of stopping the use of child labour is to terminate the
> contract of those factories which produce your hardware with it. Apple
> didn't do that; Apple continued using those factories and made the media
> believe that it was working to stop it even when it wasn't.

You've presented no information that Apple wasn't working to stop it.

None.

>
>>> <https://bgr.com/tech/apple-factory-child-labor-laws/> (2017)
>>
>> Did you even READ this?
>>
>> '“We do not tolerate underage labor in our supply chain. If we find
>> underage workers in our suppliers’ factories, we make the suppliers
>> return the children to their homes, pay for their education at a
>> school of their family’s choice, and continue to provide income for
>> basic needs until they reach the legal working age. We also enlist a
>> third-party organization to monitor the children’s progress and report
>> back to us. After they complete their education, suppliers must offer
>> them reemployment. In 2015, we found three cases of underage labor —
>> and we will continue to look for it.”'
>
> This is similar to how the World Wrestling Entertainment help their
> athletes deal with their addictions to pain killers and other drugs by
> sending them to rehabilitation and then release them from their contract
> the moment they get better. They make policy claims to the public all
> the while continuing to make use of child labour in the background.

You've produced literally no evidence of that.

>
>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-knowingly-used-child-labor-supplier-3-years-cut-costs-2020-12>
>>> (2020)
>>
>> Which sounds current...
>>
>> ...until you actually read it...
>>
>> ...or more correctly, read the article it cites:
>>
>> 'Seven years ago, Apple made a staggering discovery: Among the
>> employees at a factory in China that made most of the computer ports
>> used in its MacBooks were two 15-year-olds. Apple told the
>> manufacturer, Suyin Electronics, that it wouldn’t get any new business
>> until it improved employee screening to ensure no more people under 16
>> years of age got hired.'
>>
>> <https://www.theinformation.com/articles/apple-took-three-years-to-cut-ties-with-supplier-that-used-underage-labor>
>>
>>
>> So not 2020, but rather 2013...
>>
>> ...or at the most 2017...
>>
>> ...because Apple stopped doing business with Suyin over this issue:
>>
>> 'Seven years ago, Apple made a staggering discovery: Among the
>> employees at a factory in China that made most of the computer ports
>> used in its MacBooks were two 15-year-olds. Apple told the
>> manufacturer, Suyin Electronics, that it wouldn’t get any new business
>> until it improved employee screening to ensure no more people under 16
>> years of age got hired.
>>
>> Suyin pledged to do so, but an audit by Apple three months later found
>> three more underage workers, including a 14-year-old. Apple, which has
>> promised to ban suppliers that repeatedly use underage workers,
>> stopped giving Suyin new business because of the violations. But it
>> took Apple more than three years to fully cut its ties with Suyin,
>> which continued to make HDMI, USB and other ports for older MacBooks
>> under previous contracts. A person close to Suyin, which is
>> headquartered in Taiwan, said that the company hadn’t intentionally
>> hired underage workers and that it had passed Apple’s audits in later
>> years'
>>
>> So you've basically managed to show that Apple takes considerable
>> pains to prevent child labour from being used at its suppliers.
>>
>> Thank you!
>
> Shilling for Apple noted.

How so?

Because I live in the real world where Apple cannot be everywhere at all
times?

On 2021-08-16 1:20 p.m., Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-16 10:16 a.m., SilverSlimer wrote:
>> On 2021-08-16 12:10 p.m., Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-16 8:37 a.m., SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-16 12:45 a.m., Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-08-15 9:00 p.m., Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>> In article <sfa39j$cnk$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>>> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2021-08-14 12:02 p.m., allspam wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <news:140820211406257201%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>>>>>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> nobody is accessing files on an iphone, certainly not apple.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *No smartphone company lies more than does Apple.*
>>>>>>>> *No poster defending Apple lies more than does nospam.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No one posts under more nyms than Arlen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *No smartphone company lies more than does Apple.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple uses child labor to build their products.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cite, please~
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A routine web search would have found that but I guess you Apple
>>>> users are too lazy to do even the smallest amount of work. I'm
>>>> guessing you clowns are willfully ignorant as a result of using
>>>> Apple News as your main source of information.
>>>>
>>>> <https://globalmarch.org/child-labour-growing-in-apple-supply-chain/> (2011)
>>>>
>>>
>>> So, a decaded ago...
>>>
>>> ...and Apple was clearly taking steps to PREVENT it:
>>>
>>> '91 cases of child labour were recorded during its own audits at
>>> factories in China'
>>
>> Meanwhile, it is still a _fact_ that Apple hardware was produced with
>> child labour.
>
> Which is not actually what was claimed, is it?
>
> Apple doesn't USE child labour, and when it finds that one of its
> suppliers does, it takes action to stop it.

1) The claim made was "Apple uses child labor to build their products"

2) Your response was "Cite, please."

3) I replied with links showing that indeed, Apple used child labour to
produce its hardware in defense of what Nomen Nescio wrote and proving
that his statement was accurate.

4) Instead of admitting that your dumb ass learned something and that he
was correct in his statement, the "Defend Apple at all costs!" routine
in your pea brain was executed.

You're an Apple zealot and I have no interest in reading the usual "I am
virtuous garbage" that Apple zealots like you engage in whenever someone
proves to you that you're ignorant twats so I'll just end the post here.
Everything else you wrote is snipped, disregarded and I encourage you to
venture onto comp.sys.mac.advocacy where you can engage in advocacy
orgies with like-minded clowns.

--
SilverSlimer
@silverslimer

On 2021-08-16 10:31 a.m., SilverSlimer wrote:
> On 2021-08-16 1:20 p.m., Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-16 10:16 a.m., SilverSlimer wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-16 12:10 p.m., Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-16 8:37 a.m., SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-08-16 12:45 a.m., Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-08-15 9:00 p.m., Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <sfa39j$cnk$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>>>> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2021-08-14 12:02 p.m., allspam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <news:140820211406257201%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
>>>>>>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> nobody is accessing files on an iphone, certainly not apple.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *No smartphone company lies more than does Apple.*
>>>>>>>>> *No poster defending Apple lies more than does nospam.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No one posts under more nyms than Arlen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *No smartphone company lies more than does Apple.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple uses child labor to build their products.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cite, please~
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A routine web search would have found that but I guess you Apple
>>>>> users are too lazy to do even the smallest amount of work. I'm
>>>>> guessing you clowns are willfully ignorant as a result of using
>>>>> Apple News as your main source of information.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://globalmarch.org/child-labour-growing-in-apple-supply-chain/>
>>>>> (2011)
>>>>
>>>> So, a decaded ago...
>>>>
>>>> ...and Apple was clearly taking steps to PREVENT it:
>>>>
>>>> '91 cases of child labour were recorded during its own audits at
>>>> factories in China'
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, it is still a _fact_ that Apple hardware was produced with
>>> child labour.
>>
>> Which is not actually what was claimed, is it?
>>
>> Apple doesn't USE child labour, and when it finds that one of its
>> suppliers does, it takes action to stop it.
>
> 1) The claim made was "Apple uses child labor to build their products"
>
> 2) Your response was "Cite, please."
>
> 3) I replied with links showing that indeed, Apple used child labour to
> produce its hardware in defense of what Nomen Nescio wrote and proving
> that his statement was accurate.
>
> 4) Instead of admitting that your dumb ass learned something and that he
> was correct in his statement, the "Defend Apple at all costs!" routine
> in your pea brain was executed.

I see that nuance is beyond you.

By that measure, every single company in the world that uses suppliers
in the Far East "uses" child labour.

>
> You're an Apple zealot and I have no interest in reading the usual "I am
> virtuous garbage" that Apple zealots like you engage in whenever someone
> proves to you that you're ignorant twats so I'll just end the post here.
> Everything else you wrote is snipped, disregarded and I encourage you to
> venture onto comp.sys.mac.advocacy where you can engage in advocacy
> orgies with like-minded clowns.

Because you're a pussy who cannot deal with the facts.

Got it.

In article <mtvSI.10667$cd2.4011@fx02.iad>, SilverSlimer
<silver@slim.er> wrote:

> >>>>>> The only technology that is harmless to the individual in every
> >>>>>> possible
> >>>>>> way is open-source. Of course, it's not always convenient, pretty or
> >>>>>> stable.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> or closed-source that is independently audited.
> >>>>
> >>>> How often does that happen, pray tell?
> >>>
> >>> often. financial institutions, for example. many others.
> >>
> >> You and I both know that that is a complete and utter lie.
> >
> > it's not a lie.
> >
> > you clearly have very little understanding of the industry.
>
> You have yet to produce any kind of proof that closed-source is often
> audited as you claim.

it's well known in the industry. like i said, you don't understand much
about what goes on and you've very obviously never been a part of a
software audit of any kind.

> >> Of course,
> >> each newsgroup you post in should be used to this kind of dishonesty
> >> from you at this point.
> >
> > ad hominem.
>
> I don't give a crap about such terms as they are often used by dishonest
> people such as you, Shit or Huge Cuntlicker to distract people from your
> lies. The rest of your post will demonstrate what kind of a lying clown
> you are.

in other words, you have absolutely *nothing* to back up your claim (no
surprise there), so you dig an even deeper hole and resort to even more
insults.

you're in *way* over your head and you know it, so all you can do is
pretend to know what you're talking about and hurl insults at anyone
who tells you otherwise.

In article <t3xSI.10889$LA4.5496@fx06.iad>, SilverSlimer
<silver@slim.er> wrote:

> > Again: Apple working to PREVENT it.
> >
> > Do you think they have magic powers?
>
> One good way of stopping the use of child labour is to terminate the
> contract of those factories which produce your hardware with it. Apple
> didn't do that; Apple continued using those factories and made the media
> believe that it was working to stop it even when it wasn't.

which is what apple did.

<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-31/apple-claims-progres
s-in-supply-chain-no-child-labor-cases>
The Cupertino, California-based firm said improvements include a
reduction in major violations of its code of conduct and no cases of
child labor.

now compare that to what dell, hp, lenovo, samsung, toshiba and many
others has done.

In article <9DvSI.63255$EF2.3749@fx47.iad>, SilverSlimer
<silver@slim.er> wrote:

> >>
> >> Apple uses child labor to build their products.
> >>
> >
> > Cite, please~
>
>
> A routine web search would have found that but I guess you Apple users
> are too lazy to do even the smallest amount of work. I'm guessing you
> clowns are willfully ignorant as a result of using Apple News as your
> main source of information.

a routine web search would have found that the issue is widespread, and
not just tech companies.

it's *not* just apple, as you try to portray it, who is not even close
to being the worst.

a routine web search would also have found that apple is actively
working to *improve* the situation, where they've made substantial
progress.

other companies have done little to nothing and continue to act as if
nothing is wrong. another important fact you conveniently ignore.

speaking of clowns, you might also want to read the links you provided,
because they don't say what you think they do.

will you will be boycotting samsung, who poisoned its workers, along
with amazon, dell, hp and the rest? will you also be replacing all of
your clothes too? didn't think so.

<https://www.engadget.com/2018-02-06-ethical-smartphone-conscious-consum
ption.html>
Apple, with its high profits and strong brand, is often the easiest
target for ethics campaigners, but its labor practices are hardly
unique. Foxconn, the supplier associated with all these issues, is
used as a contract manufacturer by Sony, Nintendo, Amazon,
Toshiba, Motorola, Huawei, Dell, HP, Acer, BlackBerry and many
more.

If you thought that Samsung may be a better choice, think again.
Back in 2016, the company was accused of poisoning its own workers.
Around 200 employees have either died or been stricken with serious
illness after working on a Samsung production line. These individuals
were diagnosed with leukemia, lymphoma and MS, despite being in
their late 20s or early 30s. Samsung has denied the accusations,
telling BBC News that the safety of its workers is its highest
priority, but the company has since allowed inspectors inside its
facilities. In addition, one of the employees who passed away was
awarded compensation by a South Korean appeals court.

<https://theintercept.com/2020/08/21/school-laptops-lenovo-chromebooks-c
hina-uyghur/>
THE ONGOING PERSECUTION by the Chinese government of Uyghur
Muslims is far from a distant problem. Recent reporting has
identified Uyghur forced labor in the supply chain of major global
brands, including BMW, Ralph Lauren, Samsung, and Sony.
....
The Lenovo computers were made by the manufacturer Hefei Bitland,
which participates in a Chinese government program to provide
factories with cheap labor from persecuted Uyghurs. Some of the
computers included lightweight Chromebooks bound for public schools
in the U.S. ‹ and some were delivered even after the company was
placed on a government list restricting trade

<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-31/apple-claims-progres
s-in-supply-chain-no-child-labor-cases>
The Cupertino, California-based firm said improvements include a
reduction in major violations of its code of conduct and no cases of
child labor. The 113-page report covers a range of issues, from the
treatment of workers to energy usage and infectious disease policies
in the wake of Covid-19. It did cite several examples of suppliers
failing to fulfill their duties and non-compliance with Apple¹s
working-hours policy.

On 2021-08-16, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> On 2021-08-16 8:37 a.m., SilverSlimer wrote:
>> On 2021-08-16 12:45 a.m., Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-15 9:00 p.m., Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Apple uses child labor to build their products.
>>>
>>> Cite, please~
>>
>> Blah blah blah blah...
>>
> Which sounds current...
>
> ...until you actually read it...
>
> ...or more correctly, read the article it cites:
>
> 'Seven years ago, Apple made a staggering discovery: Among the employees
> at a factory in China that made most of the computer ports used in its
> MacBooks were two 15-year-olds. Apple told the manufacturer, Suyin
> Electronics, that it wouldn’t get any new business until it improved
> employee screening to ensure no more people under 16 years of age got
> hired.'
>
><https://www.theinformation.com/articles/apple-took-three-years-to-cut-ties-with-supplier-that-used-underage-labor>
>
> So not 2020, but rather 2013...
>
> ...or at the most 2017...
>
> ...because Apple stopped doing business with Suyin over this issue:
>
> 'Seven years ago, Apple made a staggering discovery: Among the employees
> at a factory in China that made most of the computer ports used in its
> MacBooks were two 15-year-olds. Apple told the manufacturer, Suyin
> Electronics, that it wouldn’t get any new business until it improved
> employee screening to ensure no more people under 16 years of age got hired.
>
> Suyin pledged to do so, but an audit by Apple three months later found
> three more underage workers, including a 14-year-old. Apple, which has
> promised to ban suppliers that repeatedly use underage workers, stopped
> giving Suyin new business because of the violations. But it took Apple
> more than three years to fully cut its ties with Suyin, which continued
> to make HDMI, USB and other ports for older MacBooks under previous
> contracts. A person close to Suyin, which is headquartered in Taiwan,
> said that the company hadn’t intentionally hired underage workers and
> that it had passed Apple’s audits in later years'

"Oops..."
- signed: another idiot troll

> So you've basically managed to show that Apple takes considerable pains
> to prevent child labour from being used at its suppliers.
>
> Thank you!

FACTS

lulz...

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In article <io01imFhjldU1@mid.individual.net>
Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> On 2021-08-16, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> > On 2021-08-16 8:37 a.m., SilverSlimer wrote:
> >> On 2021-08-16 12:45 a.m., Alan Baker wrote:
> >>> On 2021-08-15 9:00 p.m., Nomen Nescio wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Apple uses child labor to build their products.
> >>>
> >>> Cite, please~
> >>
> >> Blah blah blah blah...
> >>
> > Which sounds current...
> >
> > ...until you actually read it...
> >
> > ...or more correctly, read the article it cites:
> >
> > 'Seven years ago, Apple made a staggering discovery: Among the employees
> > at a factory in China that made most of the computer ports used in its
> > MacBooks were two 15-year-olds. Apple told the manufacturer, Suyin
> > Electronics, that it wouldn’t get any new business until it improved
> > employee screening to ensure no more people under 16 years of age got
> > hired.'
> >
> ><https://www.theinformation.com/articles/apple-took-three-years-to-cut-ties-with-supplier-that-used-underage-labor>
> >
> > So not 2020, but rather 2013...
> >
> > ...or at the most 2017...
> >
> > ...because Apple stopped doing business with Suyin over this issue:
> >
> > 'Seven years ago, Apple made a staggering discovery: Among the employees
> > at a factory in China that made most of the computer ports used in its
> > MacBooks were two 15-year-olds. Apple told the manufacturer, Suyin
> > Electronics, that it wouldn’t get any new business until it improved
> > employee screening to ensure no more people under 16 years of age got hired.
> >
> > Suyin pledged to do so, but an audit by Apple three months later found
> > three more underage workers, including a 14-year-old. Apple, which has
> > promised to ban suppliers that repeatedly use underage workers, stopped
> > giving Suyin new business because of the violations. But it took Apple
> > more than three years to fully cut its ties with Suyin, which continued
> > to make HDMI, USB and other ports for older MacBooks under previous
> > contracts. A person close to Suyin, which is headquartered in Taiwan,
> > said that the company hadn’t intentionally hired underage workers and
> > that it had passed Apple’s audits in later years'
>
> "Oops..."
> - signed: another idiot troll
>
> > So you've basically managed to show that Apple takes considerable pains
> > to prevent child labour from being used at its suppliers.
> >
> > Thank you!
>
> FACTS

You ain't slick.

Apple products are the #1 child porn trading tools on the market.

Dispute that.

On 2021-08-16 4:54 p.m., Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
> In article <io01imFhjldU1@mid.individual.net>
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 2021-08-16, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-16 8:37 a.m., SilverSlimer wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-16 12:45 a.m., Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-08-15 9:00 p.m., Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple uses child labor to build their products.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cite, please~
>>>>
>>>> Blah blah blah blah...
>>>>
>>> Which sounds current...
>>>
>>> ...until you actually read it...
>>>
>>> ...or more correctly, read the article it cites:
>>>
>>> 'Seven years ago, Apple made a staggering discovery: Among the employees
>>> at a factory in China that made most of the computer ports used in its
>>> MacBooks were two 15-year-olds. Apple told the manufacturer, Suyin
>>> Electronics, that it wouldn’t get any new business until it improved
>>> employee screening to ensure no more people under 16 years of age got
>>> hired.'
>>>
>>> <https://www.theinformation.com/articles/apple-took-three-years-to-cut-ties-with-supplier-that-used-underage-labor>
>>>
>>> So not 2020, but rather 2013...
>>>
>>> ...or at the most 2017...
>>>
>>> ...because Apple stopped doing business with Suyin over this issue:
>>>
>>> 'Seven years ago, Apple made a staggering discovery: Among the employees
>>> at a factory in China that made most of the computer ports used in its
>>> MacBooks were two 15-year-olds. Apple told the manufacturer, Suyin
>>> Electronics, that it wouldn’t get any new business until it improved
>>> employee screening to ensure no more people under 16 years of age got hired.
>>>
>>> Suyin pledged to do so, but an audit by Apple three months later found
>>> three more underage workers, including a 14-year-old. Apple, which has
>>> promised to ban suppliers that repeatedly use underage workers, stopped
>>> giving Suyin new business because of the violations. But it took Apple
>>> more than three years to fully cut its ties with Suyin, which continued
>>> to make HDMI, USB and other ports for older MacBooks under previous
>>> contracts. A person close to Suyin, which is headquartered in Taiwan,
>>> said that the company hadn’t intentionally hired underage workers and
>>> that it had passed Apple’s audits in later years'
>>
>> "Oops..."
>> - signed: another idiot troll
>>
>>> So you've basically managed to show that Apple takes considerable pains
>>> to prevent child labour from being used at its suppliers.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>
>> FACTS
>
> You ain't slick.
>
> Apple products are the #1 child porn trading tools on the market.
>
> Dispute that.
>

I don't have to bother.

The fact that you don't support your claim means it can be safely ignored.

In article <news:160820211339416006%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> it's *not* just apple

As always, nospam will stop at nothing to defend Apple to the death.

On one side of nospam's mouth he constantly claims Apple is better than
everyone else, but each time nospam discusses what Apple does, nospam then
is forced to concurrently claim Apple is just as bad as everyone else.

When Apple does anything good, nospam claims Apple has free will to do so.
When Apple does something bad, nospam always claims Apple has no free will.

On 2021-08-17 7:42 a.m., allspam wrote:
> In article <news:160820211339416006%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> it's *not* just apple
>
> As always, nospam will stop at nothing to defend Apple to the death.
>
> On one side of nospam's mouth he constantly claims Apple is better than
> everyone else, but each time nospam discusses what Apple does, nospam then
> is forced to concurrently claim Apple is just as bad as everyone else.
>
> When Apple does anything good, nospam claims Apple has free will to do so.
> When Apple does something bad, nospam always claims Apple has no free will.

If the homosexual Tim Cook were to be arrested for molesting a child,
I'm sure he'd be telling us that it wasn't a crime or that Cook was
merely upgrading the child's internals with an undesired hot meat
injection.

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@silverslimer

SilverSlimer wrote:

>If the homosexual Tim Cook were to be arrested (hatred and bigotry snipped)

If the shitty right-wing propagandist and bigot "Slimer" would FOAD,
the world would be a better place.

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that Muslims are just swell in every way." - "Slimer", lying
shamelessly

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:08:59 -0400, "Mayayana"
<mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

>"Lewis" <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote
>
>| It is also not an indication that the call came from that city and state.
>|
>| Spammers spoof the caller ID to be a location near to you, hoping you
>| are stupid enough to answer the phone.
>|
>
> I just no longer answer anything I don't recognize.
>If it's a legit call they can leave a message. If I'm here
>and I hear the message, I'll pick up and apologize,
>explaining that I avoid spam calls. In almost every
>case they laugh and agree, saying they do it, too.
>
> That points to another nice thing about landlines:
>Answering machines, that allow you to hear a message
>as it's left and don't share your messages with Verizon.

I really dislike Verizon voice mail (and probably that of all the other
internet providers) because there is no indication I have a message
until I pick up the handset, and I only do that every day or 2 or 3.

So messages would sit there for days, unanswered. So I set my outgoing
message to tell callers NOT to leave a message, but some still do for
good reason (like my machine doesn't answer) or because they ignore my
wishes.

Even when I pick up the phone to make a call and I hear beep beep beep
beep, by the time I've made my phone call, I've forgotten that there is
a message. A few more days go by.

There were devices that flashed a light or something when a message was
pending, but I don't think they worked well and, regardless, they are
not for sale anymore. I think they were fairly expensive for something
that answering machines do for free.

HOWEVER, UNLIKE YOU, it doesn't bother me that that Verizon can listen
to my messages. No one who calls has anything important to say anyhow,
except my contacts at MI6 and the Mossad, and they always talk about
gardening, flowers, rakes, seeds, water, rain, frost, etc. It's a code
we use.

OTOH, you may be surprised that when I put my home address in Google
Maps, I didn't use my address. I used and still use the house two doors
away. For travel purposes it takes about 3 extra seconds to get to my
house but this way, the Google bigwigs won't know where I am going from
or to.
(At the time I was mad at the people there, who would walk their ugly
pit bulls without a leash, even though several people and the HOA
complained to them and to Animal Control. I had to go right past their
sidewalk to get to my car. It took 3 or 4 years before they stopped.
Once I saw the 70-year old mother letting the dog roam free in the wild
area behind our houses, where people would not see except I was in the
back yard.)
Do you use your own address when soliciting directions in Google
Maps?

> For awhile the do not call registry worked well,
>both at state and Fed level. Then they just stopped
>enforcing it. So I guess this is what telephoning means
>today. We just have to accept it. I doubt cellphones
>will go much longer without the same hassles.

You know about nomorobo, of course? Free for landlines, charges for
cells. On my home phone, I get about 5 calls a week that ring once and
disappear because of nomorobo, and I get between 0 and 3 spam calls a
day, maybe 5 total a week, that ring through.

On the cell I don't have it and I get a spam call aobut once every 4
hours when the phone is on. It's on about 12 hours a week.

Am 01.12.23 um 00:38 schrieb micky:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:08:59 -0400, "Mayayana"
> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
>> "Lewis" <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote
>>
>> | It is also not an indication that the call came from that city and state.
>> |
>> | Spammers spoof the caller ID to be a location near to you, hoping you
>> | are stupid enough to answer the phone.
>> |
>>
>> I just no longer answer anything I don't recognize.
>> If it's a legit call they can leave a message. If I'm here
>> and I hear the message, I'll pick up and apologize,
>> explaining that I avoid spam calls. In almost every
>> case they laugh and agree, saying they do it, too.
>>
>> That points to another nice thing about landlines:
>> Answering machines, that allow you to hear a message
>> as it's left and don't share your messages with Verizon.
>
> I really dislike Verizon voice mail (and probably that of all the other
> internet providers) because there is no indication I have a message
> until I pick up the handset, and I only do that every day or 2 or 3.

Completely OT in these two groups.

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Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> Am 01.12.23 um 00:38 schrieb micky:
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:08:59 -0400, "Mayayana"
>> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>
>>> "Lewis" <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote
>>>
>>> | It is also not an indication that the call came from that city and state.
>>> |
>>> | Spammers spoof the caller ID to be a location near to you, hoping you
>>> | are stupid enough to answer the phone.
>>> |
>>>
>>> I just no longer answer anything I don't recognize.
>>> If it's a legit call they can leave a message. If I'm here
>>> and I hear the message, I'll pick up and apologize,
>>> explaining that I avoid spam calls. In almost every
>>> case they laugh and agree, saying they do it, too.
>>>
>>> That points to another nice thing about landlines:
>>> Answering machines, that allow you to hear a message
>>> as it's left and don't share your messages with Verizon.
>>
>> I really dislike Verizon voice mail (and probably that of all the other
>> internet providers) because there is no indication I have a message
>> until I pick up the handset, and I only do that every day or 2 or 3.
>
> Completely OT in these two groups.
>

You should ban the bastards, jughead.

On 2023-12-01 00:09, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 01.12.23 um 00:38 schrieb micky:
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:08:59 -0400, "Mayayana"

> Completely OT in these two groups.

You missed a chance to simply ignore the posting.
See the dates above.
Just a troll echoing dead business.

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