Re the recent pipeline discussion I just came across some data that
might be interesting.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/16/mapping-world-oil-gas-pipelines-interactive
The U.S. has 56,587 miles of oil pipelines and 207,145 miles of gas
pilelines.
Canada – Oil: 14,516 miles Gas: 52,619 miles
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Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 8:35:05 AM UTC+1, John B. wrote:
> Re the recent pipeline discussion I just came across some data that
> might be interesting.
> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/16/mapping-world-oil-gas-pipelines-interactive
> The U.S. has 56,587 miles of oil pipelines and 207,145 miles of gas
> pilelines.
> Canada – Oil: 14,516 miles Gas: 52,619 miles
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

Nope, not interesting.

Lou

On 12/16/2021 1:34 AM, John B. wrote:
>
> Re the recent pipeline discussion I just came across some data that
> might be interesting.
> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/16/mapping-world-oil-gas-pipelines-interactive
> The U.S. has 56,587 miles of oil pipelines and 207,145 miles of gas
> pilelines.
> Canada – Oil: 14,516 miles Gas: 52,619 miles
>

Makes sense. We're a larger producer and oilfields are in
several regions here:

https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Energy

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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 12/15/2021 11:34 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> Re the recent pipeline discussion I just came across some data that
> might be interesting.
> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/16/mapping-world-oil-gas-pipelines-interactive
> The U.S. has 56,587 miles of oil pipelines and 207,145 miles of gas
> pilelines.
> Canada – Oil: 14,516 miles Gas: 52,619 miles

Why would this be interesting?

On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 8:21:27 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> On 12/15/2021 11:34 PM, John B. wrote:
> >
> > Re the recent pipeline discussion I just came across some data that
> > might be interesting.
> > https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/16/mapping-world-oil-gas-pipelines-interactive
> > The U.S. has 56,587 miles of oil pipelines and 207,145 miles of gas
> > pilelines.
> > Canada – Oil: 14,516 miles Gas: 52,619 miles
> Why would this be interesting?
This is ALWAYS interesting to someone without a bit of intelligence who gets his entire character from Google.

On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 7:49:59 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/16/2021 1:34 AM, John B. wrote:
> >
> > Re the recent pipeline discussion I just came across some data that
> > might be interesting.
> > https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/16/mapping-world-oil-gas-pipelines-interactive
> > The U.S. has 56,587 miles of oil pipelines and 207,145 miles of gas
> > pilelines.
> > Canada – Oil: 14,516 miles Gas: 52,619 miles
> >
> Makes sense. We're a larger producer and oilfields are in
> several regions here:
>
> https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Energy
>
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

And, all or almost all of our shipping and refinery are located in the Gulf Coast or Houston or New Orleans. So no matter where the oil and gas are pulled out of the ground, it has to go via pipeline to Houston or New Orleans. Some is shipped via rail too. I'm sure the Pennsylvania oil goes via rail to the Gulf plants. Similar to coal. Almost all of the coal burned today is from mines in Wyoming. Not local dirty coal from strip mines or West Virginia or Pennsylvania or southern Illinois coal mines. So we need lots of coal trains to transport the Wyoming coal all over the USA.

Always wondered why Cushing, Oklahoma is the oil benchmark for the USA. WTI, West Texas Intermediate is the priced name. But Cushing is where its at.. I think they store it there. Underground caves, mines. But its hundreds of miles from where oil is refined and/or shipped. Houston or New Orleans. Why use Cushing Oklahoma?

On 12/17/2021 6:14 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 7:49:59 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 12/16/2021 1:34 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>
>>> Re the recent pipeline discussion I just came across some data that
>>> might be interesting.
>>> https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/16/mapping-world-oil-gas-pipelines-interactive
>>> The U.S. has 56,587 miles of oil pipelines and 207,145 miles of gas
>>> pilelines.
>>> Canada – Oil: 14,516 miles Gas: 52,619 miles
>>>
>> Makes sense. We're a larger producer and oilfields are in
>> several regions here:
>>
>> https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Energy
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> And, all or almost all of our shipping and refinery are located in the Gulf Coast or Houston or New Orleans. So no matter where the oil and gas are pulled out of the ground, it has to go via pipeline to Houston or New Orleans. Some is shipped via rail too. I'm sure the Pennsylvania oil goes via rail to the Gulf plants. Similar to coal. Almost all of the coal burned today is from mines in Wyoming. Not local dirty coal from strip mines or West Virginia or Pennsylvania or southern Illinois coal mines. So we need lots of coal trains to transport the Wyoming coal all over the USA.
>
> Always wondered why Cushing, Oklahoma is the oil benchmark for the USA. WTI, West Texas Intermediate is the priced name. But Cushing is where its at. I think they store it there. Underground caves, mines. But its hundreds of miles from where oil is refined and/or shipped. Houston or New Orleans. Why use Cushing Oklahoma?
>

All good points.
Cushing came to be as a centralish place to concentrate the
various pipeline networks with a lot of flat available land:

https://i.insider.com/5e9ed7265bd7a552d74c28b4?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp

Couldn't do that in Chicago (nexus of rail networks, which
was difficult enough)

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<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 16:14:01 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 7:49:59 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 12/16/2021 1:34 AM, John B. wrote:
>> >
>> > Re the recent pipeline discussion I just came across some data that
>> > might be interesting.
>> > https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/16/mapping-world-oil-gas-pipelines-interactive
>> > The U.S. has 56,587 miles of oil pipelines and 207,145 miles of gas
>> > pilelines.
>> > Canada – Oil: 14,516 miles Gas: 52,619 miles
>> >
>> Makes sense. We're a larger producer and oilfields are in
>> several regions here:
>>
>> https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Energy
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
>And, all or almost all of our shipping and refinery are located in the Gulf Coast or Houston or New Orleans. So no matter where the oil and gas are pulled out of the ground, it has to go via pipeline to Houston or New Orleans. Some is shipped via rail too. I'm sure the Pennsylvania oil goes via rail to the Gulf plants. Similar to coal. Almost all of the coal burned today is from mines in Wyoming. Not local dirty coal from strip mines or West Virginia or Pennsylvania or southern Illinois coal mines. So we need lots of coal trains to transport the Wyoming coal all over the USA.

There are refineries in 30 states I believe and don't forget
California as they have some 18 refineries while Louisiana has 19.

>Always wondered why Cushing, Oklahoma is the oil benchmark for the USA. WTI, West Texas Intermediate is the priced name. But Cushing is where its at. I think they store it there. Underground caves, mines. But its hundreds of miles from where oil is refined and/or shipped. Houston or New Orleans. Why use Cushing Oklahoma?

I believe it is "West Texas Intermediate" simply because it comes from
West Texas (:-) Just as Brent comes, or originally came, from the
Brent Oil Field (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, December 17, 2021 at 8:00:50 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 16:14:01 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, December 16, 2021 at 7:49:59 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 12/16/2021 1:34 AM, John B. wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Re the recent pipeline discussion I just came across some data that
> >> > might be interesting.
> >> > https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/12/16/mapping-world-oil-gas-pipelines-interactive
> >> > The U.S. has 56,587 miles of oil pipelines and 207,145 miles of gas
> >> > pilelines.
> >> > Canada – Oil: 14,516 miles Gas: 52,619 miles
> >> >
> >> Makes sense. We're a larger producer and oilfields are in
> >> several regions here:
> >>
> >> https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Canada/United-States/Energy
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> >And, all or almost all of our shipping and refinery are located in the Gulf Coast or Houston or New Orleans. So no matter where the oil and gas are pulled out of the ground, it has to go via pipeline to Houston or New Orleans. Some is shipped via rail too. I'm sure the Pennsylvania oil goes via rail to the Gulf plants. Similar to coal. Almost all of the coal burned today is from mines in Wyoming. Not local dirty coal from strip mines or West Virginia or Pennsylvania or southern Illinois coal mines. So we need lots of coal trains to transport the Wyoming coal all over the USA.
> There are refineries in 30 states I believe and don't forget
> California as they have some 18 refineries while Louisiana has 19.

Number of refineries in a state and whether a state even has a refinery is not really too relevant. Relevant is how MUCH oil is refined and where/area of the country. See the link below. It shows in 2021 there is about 18.1 million barrels per day of USA and territories refining capacity. Total USA. But if you click on the Area box at the top left corner of the table, you can also pull up individual states and areas. They use PAD District and show the states in that area. It is not very equal distribution. 18.1 Total USA refining capacity.

PAD 1 is the east coast. Florida up to New York. Its 817K refining. Nothing.
PAD 2 is upper midwest and Oklahoma and North Dakota. Its 4.2 million. About a fourth of the total. OK and ND produce a lot of oil.
PAD 3 is the gulf coast more or less including Texas, Louisiana, and New Mexico. West Texas! Its 9.7 million. More than half. TX and NM and the Gulf sea, Gulf of Mexico produce a lot of oil.
PAD 4 is mountain states. 650K. Nothing.
PAD 5 is west coast. Alaska and California. Its 2.7 million. A lot but not really when you look at the other big areas which dwarf it. Alaska used to produce a lot of oil but I guess they never refined it up in the arctic..

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pnp_cap1_dcu_nus_a.htm

> >Always wondered why Cushing, Oklahoma is the oil benchmark for the USA. WTI, West Texas Intermediate is the priced name. But Cushing is where its at. I think they store it there. Underground caves, mines. But its hundreds of miles from where oil is refined and/or shipped. Houston or New Orleans. Why use Cushing Oklahoma?
> I believe it is "West Texas Intermediate" simply because it comes from
> West Texas (:-) Just as Brent comes, or originally came, from the
> Brent Oil Field (:-)
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Tuesday, December 21, 2021 at 11:18:57 AM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> Number of refineries in a state and whether a state even has a refinery is not really too relevant. Relevant is how MUCH oil is refined and where/area of the country. See the link below. It shows in 2021 there is about 18.1 million barrels per day of USA and territories refining capacity. Total USA. But if you click on the Area box at the top left corner of the table, you can also pull up individual states and areas. They use PAD District and show the states in that area. It is not very equal distribution. 18.1 Total USA refining capacity.
>
> PAD 1 is the east coast. Florida up to New York. Its 817K refining. Nothing.
> PAD 2 is upper midwest and Oklahoma and North Dakota. Its 4.2 million. About a fourth of the total. OK and ND produce a lot of oil.
> PAD 3 is the gulf coast more or less including Texas, Louisiana, and New Mexico. West Texas! Its 9.7 million. More than half. TX and NM and the Gulf sea, Gulf of Mexico produce a lot of oil.
> PAD 4 is mountain states. 650K. Nothing.
> PAD 5 is west coast. Alaska and California. Its 2.7 million. A lot but not really when you look at the other big areas which dwarf it. Alaska used to produce a lot of oil but I guess they never refined it up in the arctic.
>
> https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pnp_cap1_dcu_nus_a.htm

Gee Russell, I never thought of it that way. Why we have no means at all of producing extra CO2 to cause climate change.