On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 19:26:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 12/23/2021 6:13 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:47:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/23/2021 5:27 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:11:38 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/23/2021 11:54 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:56 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No one is going to want people like you around. You're a
>>>>>>>>>> Biden Butt Kisser and Frank will be so deep in depression
>>>>>>>>>> that he won't post for months.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't recall ever posting anything about Biden, as
>>>>>>>>> opposed to your love letters to trump (and you call _me_
>>>>>>>>> gay....). I don't recall that Frank retreated into any
>>>>>>>>> type of shell in 2016 when that bloated orange bastard
>>>>>>>>> waddled into the oval office with trumpian majorities in
>>>>>>>>> both houses. I don't see why - should it happen again -
>>>>>>>>> this time would be any different.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll admit I was sadly disillusioned when Trump won the
>>>>>>>> electoral vote in 2016. I took some solace in the fact that
>>>>>>>> he lost the popular vote, but how could so many be convinced
>>>>>>>> that a reality TV star should lead the country?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom has given me insight into at least one type of person
>>>>>>>> who adores Trump: uneducated, enraged, easily swayed by
>>>>>>>> propaganda, absolutely rejecting of facts and totally
>>>>>>>> illogical. If he's in any way typical, democracy is in bad
>>>>>>>> shape.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your predisposition has led you to misread the electorate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would agree with that. I had a belief that there were enough logical, rational, and thoughtful people in this country to prevent the election of such an obviously unhinged, arrogant, and narcissistic charlatan. Trumps election in 2016 proved me very very wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a tough argument to make isn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuopl-Fg9EE
>>>>>
>>>>> I remain unconvinced.
>>>>
>>>> Well, Biden keeps saying "expodentially," even though it is not a
>>>> word, instead of "exponentially.""
>>>>
>>>> Trump said, "You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do
>>>> anything.”
>>>>
>>>> I guess the question is which do you prefer for a president?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, yes that's right.
>>> And I prefer coherent policy, foibles notwithstanding.
>>>
>>> OTOH both Mr Johnson and Mr Nixon were world-class
>>> pottymouths and I don't know a soul who hates them both.
>>
>> I don't think it is a matter of "hate" more a matter of what sort of
>> chap you wish to associate with.
>>
>> As for Trump's "coherent policies" I am reminded of the so called
>> trade war initiated by President Trump. "Yup, we gonna teach them
>> Chinks who's the boss" and strangely enough the Chinese immediately
>> imposed an import duty on U.S. goods. which resulted in "the U.S.
>> having to subsidizing American farmers for up to $12 billion for their
>> suffering of lost export sales resulting from the president’s own
>> escalating tariff action." And
>> "Trump’s 2018 tariffs-to-date on steel, aluminum, and China have
>> caused the European Union and five other major trading partners to
>> implement retaliatory actions affecting $27 billion of US agricultural
>> sales to the world. Trump’s tariffs suddenly put 20 percent of total
>> American agricultural exports at risk."
>> https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/first-tariffs-then-subsidies-soybeans-illustrate-trumps
>> https://theconversation.com/how-soybeans-became-chinas-most-powerful-weapon-in-trumps-trade-war-118088
>>
>> Cutting off the nose to spite the face?
>>
>
>I actually agree with you on that.
>
>Then again-
>Strong dollar, low inflation, light regulatory policies
>which led to record employment; that combined with a simpler
>flatter tax schedule greatly benefited those of modest to
>lower incomes. Energy independence, record energy exports,
>low fuel prices (benefit both industry and consumer),
>application of long-standing immigration law (another
>benefit to modest/low income Americans especially young &
>unskilled). On another tack, finally achieved long-promised
>Federal prison sentencing reform and extra bonus moving our
>embassy from Tel Aviv to the capital Jerusalem (as voted by
>a dozen Congresses since the Clinton era but never
>implemented despite promises).

Not to pick any special item but this hoop-a-la over immigration is,
well, sort of a mystery, at least to me. When I lived in the U.S.
immigration was controlled. Example, my wife's younger brother's son
attended collage in the U.S. on a special for students sort of visa.
when he finished collage he would have had to leave, I believe,
because he didn't have a skill needed in the U.S., which seems fair
enough.

Now I read about all these "refugees" that want to, or are, coming to
the U.S. with now apparent skills at all. It doesn't make sense, at
least to me.

As for low inflation, well, that's easy. Don't pump any more money
into the economic system (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:50:40 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 4:04:19 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 12/23/2021 6:18 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > For the first time in the history of the US the American people do not know who is running this country...
>>
>> Oh please! Such woeful ignorance of history!
>>
>> Do you _really_ think W was in charge of national strategy? Do you
>> really pretend Reagan was in charge of the meetings he slept through?
>> Not to mention the big orange crackpot. And those examples are just in
>> the last few decades.
>>
>> Unlike those three (and to be fair, Obama), Biden at least knows the
>> rules and processes in Washington.
>
>As usual you believe you actually know what is going on in the world around you. Reagan didn't sleep through meetings. In his last year he fell asleep in ONE meeting and they immediately ended it. And W. was in charge. Biden can't fucking even pronounce his own name properly! Did ANY President talk about children stroking the hair on his legs? His WIFE drugs him with uppers so that he can stand up in front of a news conference and even then he CANNOT EVEN SEE THE TELEPROMPTER TELLING HIM WHAT TO SAY!
>
>Not only does Biden NOT know either the rules or the processes in Washington and never did. He was the errand boy of the KKK crowd in the Senate from his first day in office. As for the Secretary of Defense he is told what he will say by General Milley - a warmonger of the first water.

You write, "As for the Secretary of Defense he is told what he will
say by General Milley".

I would question how you know this? Is there some secret site where
the secrets of the government are revealed? Maybe a youtube
presentation?

Or is just another of your delusions.

By the way Tommy, Xanax has a very calming effect on those who rush
about waving their arms in the air and shouting about thing that they
imagine. Perhaps you could talk to your doctor about it.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 12/23/2021 8:20 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 19:26:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 12/23/2021 6:13 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:47:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:27 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:11:38 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 11:54 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:56 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No one is going to want people like you around. You're a
>>>>>>>>>>> Biden Butt Kisser and Frank will be so deep in depression
>>>>>>>>>>> that he won't post for months.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall ever posting anything about Biden, as
>>>>>>>>>> opposed to your love letters to trump (and you call _me_
>>>>>>>>>> gay....). I don't recall that Frank retreated into any
>>>>>>>>>> type of shell in 2016 when that bloated orange bastard
>>>>>>>>>> waddled into the oval office with trumpian majorities in
>>>>>>>>>> both houses. I don't see why - should it happen again -
>>>>>>>>>> this time would be any different.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll admit I was sadly disillusioned when Trump won the
>>>>>>>>> electoral vote in 2016. I took some solace in the fact that
>>>>>>>>> he lost the popular vote, but how could so many be convinced
>>>>>>>>> that a reality TV star should lead the country?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tom has given me insight into at least one type of person
>>>>>>>>> who adores Trump: uneducated, enraged, easily swayed by
>>>>>>>>> propaganda, absolutely rejecting of facts and totally
>>>>>>>>> illogical. If he's in any way typical, democracy is in bad
>>>>>>>>> shape.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your predisposition has led you to misread the electorate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would agree with that. I had a belief that there were enough logical, rational, and thoughtful people in this country to prevent the election of such an obviously unhinged, arrogant, and narcissistic charlatan. Trumps election in 2016 proved me very very wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a tough argument to make isn't it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuopl-Fg9EE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remain unconvinced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, Biden keeps saying "expodentially," even though it is not a
>>>>> word, instead of "exponentially.""
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump said, "You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do
>>>>> anything.”
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess the question is which do you prefer for a president?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, yes that's right.
>>>> And I prefer coherent policy, foibles notwithstanding.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH both Mr Johnson and Mr Nixon were world-class
>>>> pottymouths and I don't know a soul who hates them both.
>>>
>>> I don't think it is a matter of "hate" more a matter of what sort of
>>> chap you wish to associate with.
>>>
>>> As for Trump's "coherent policies" I am reminded of the so called
>>> trade war initiated by President Trump. "Yup, we gonna teach them
>>> Chinks who's the boss" and strangely enough the Chinese immediately
>>> imposed an import duty on U.S. goods. which resulted in "the U.S.
>>> having to subsidizing American farmers for up to $12 billion for their
>>> suffering of lost export sales resulting from the president’s own
>>> escalating tariff action." And
>>> "Trump’s 2018 tariffs-to-date on steel, aluminum, and China have
>>> caused the European Union and five other major trading partners to
>>> implement retaliatory actions affecting $27 billion of US agricultural
>>> sales to the world. Trump’s tariffs suddenly put 20 percent of total
>>> American agricultural exports at risk."
>>> https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/first-tariffs-then-subsidies-soybeans-illustrate-trumps
>>> https://theconversation.com/how-soybeans-became-chinas-most-powerful-weapon-in-trumps-trade-war-118088
>>>
>>> Cutting off the nose to spite the face?
>>>
>>
>> I actually agree with you on that.
>>
>> Then again-
>> Strong dollar, low inflation, light regulatory policies
>> which led to record employment; that combined with a simpler
>> flatter tax schedule greatly benefited those of modest to
>> lower incomes. Energy independence, record energy exports,
>> low fuel prices (benefit both industry and consumer),
>> application of long-standing immigration law (another
>> benefit to modest/low income Americans especially young &
>> unskilled). On another tack, finally achieved long-promised
>> Federal prison sentencing reform and extra bonus moving our
>> embassy from Tel Aviv to the capital Jerusalem (as voted by
>> a dozen Congresses since the Clinton era but never
>> implemented despite promises).
>
> Not to pick any special item but this hoop-a-la over immigration is,
> well, sort of a mystery, at least to me. When I lived in the U.S.
> immigration was controlled. Example, my wife's younger brother's son
> attended collage in the U.S. on a special for students sort of visa.
> when he finished collage he would have had to leave, I believe,
> because he didn't have a skill needed in the U.S., which seems fair
> enough.
>
> Now I read about all these "refugees" that want to, or are, coming to
> the U.S. with now apparent skills at all. It doesn't make sense, at
> least to me.
>
> As for low inflation, well, that's easy. Don't pump any more money
> into the economic system (:-)
>

We all love immigrants, from my grandparents to Enrico
Fermi, Melania Trump and my son in law.

We're less unified about illegal alien dope runners,
slavers, terrorists, layabouts, bums and criminals
generally. Some say 'what the hell who cares?' I do, for one
but YMMV.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 12/23/2021 8:20 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 19:26:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 12/23/2021 6:13 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:47:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:27 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:11:38 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 11:54 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:56 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No one is going to want people like you around. You're a
>>>>>>>>>>> Biden Butt Kisser and Frank will be so deep in depression
>>>>>>>>>>> that he won't post for months.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall ever posting anything about Biden, as
>>>>>>>>>> opposed to your love letters to trump (and you call _me_
>>>>>>>>>> gay....). I don't recall that Frank retreated into any
>>>>>>>>>> type of shell in 2016 when that bloated orange bastard
>>>>>>>>>> waddled into the oval office with trumpian majorities in
>>>>>>>>>> both houses. I don't see why - should it happen again -
>>>>>>>>>> this time would be any different.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll admit I was sadly disillusioned when Trump won the
>>>>>>>>> electoral vote in 2016. I took some solace in the fact that
>>>>>>>>> he lost the popular vote, but how could so many be convinced
>>>>>>>>> that a reality TV star should lead the country?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tom has given me insight into at least one type of person
>>>>>>>>> who adores Trump: uneducated, enraged, easily swayed by
>>>>>>>>> propaganda, absolutely rejecting of facts and totally
>>>>>>>>> illogical. If he's in any way typical, democracy is in bad
>>>>>>>>> shape.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your predisposition has led you to misread the electorate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would agree with that. I had a belief that there were enough logical, rational, and thoughtful people in this country to prevent the election of such an obviously unhinged, arrogant, and narcissistic charlatan. Trumps election in 2016 proved me very very wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a tough argument to make isn't it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuopl-Fg9EE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remain unconvinced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, Biden keeps saying "expodentially," even though it is not a
>>>>> word, instead of "exponentially.""
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump said, "You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do
>>>>> anything.”
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess the question is which do you prefer for a president?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, yes that's right.
>>>> And I prefer coherent policy, foibles notwithstanding.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH both Mr Johnson and Mr Nixon were world-class
>>>> pottymouths and I don't know a soul who hates them both.
>>>
>>> I don't think it is a matter of "hate" more a matter of what sort of
>>> chap you wish to associate with.
>>>
>>> As for Trump's "coherent policies" I am reminded of the so called
>>> trade war initiated by President Trump. "Yup, we gonna teach them
>>> Chinks who's the boss" and strangely enough the Chinese immediately
>>> imposed an import duty on U.S. goods. which resulted in "the U.S.
>>> having to subsidizing American farmers for up to $12 billion for their
>>> suffering of lost export sales resulting from the president’s own
>>> escalating tariff action." And
>>> "Trump’s 2018 tariffs-to-date on steel, aluminum, and China have
>>> caused the European Union and five other major trading partners to
>>> implement retaliatory actions affecting $27 billion of US agricultural
>>> sales to the world. Trump’s tariffs suddenly put 20 percent of total
>>> American agricultural exports at risk."
>>> https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/first-tariffs-then-subsidies-soybeans-illustrate-trumps
>>> https://theconversation.com/how-soybeans-became-chinas-most-powerful-weapon-in-trumps-trade-war-118088
>>>
>>> Cutting off the nose to spite the face?
>>>
>>
>> I actually agree with you on that.
>>
>> Then again-
>> Strong dollar, low inflation, light regulatory policies
>> which led to record employment; that combined with a simpler
>> flatter tax schedule greatly benefited those of modest to
>> lower incomes. Energy independence, record energy exports,
>> low fuel prices (benefit both industry and consumer),
>> application of long-standing immigration law (another
>> benefit to modest/low income Americans especially young &
>> unskilled). On another tack, finally achieved long-promised
>> Federal prison sentencing reform and extra bonus moving our
>> embassy from Tel Aviv to the capital Jerusalem (as voted by
>> a dozen Congresses since the Clinton era but never
>> implemented despite promises).
>
> Not to pick any special item but this hoop-a-la over immigration is,
> well, sort of a mystery, at least to me. When I lived in the U.S.
> immigration was controlled. Example, my wife's younger brother's son
> attended collage in the U.S. on a special for students sort of visa.
> when he finished collage he would have had to leave, I believe,
> because he didn't have a skill needed in the U.S., which seems fair
> enough.
>
> Now I read about all these "refugees" that want to, or are, coming to
> the U.S. with now apparent skills at all. It doesn't make sense, at
> least to me.
>
> As for low inflation, well, that's easy. Don't pump any more money
> into the economic system (:-)
>

I think that horse has left the barn as it were.

Federal reserve bank deposits have gone from $1.8t March
2020 to $4.3 trillion. Mr Powell's plan ('relax,
everything's under control') will be at some date uncertain
(there is still no set date) to reduce monthly bond purchase
from $120b to $105 billion. That's not a typo, 105 billion
dollars of new bond purchases per month as a 'contraction'.

But hey it's 'temporary' or 'transitory'. Not.

Oh by the way Mr Trump and the last Congress were horrible
spenders on nothing particularly useful to the nation. Now
we've doubled down on that instead of rectifying the errors
and are trying to increase the punishments with higher
taxes. I wonder if anyone thought this through to a result?
Why yes, someone did think about it:

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/vladimir_lenin_125951

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 12/23/2021 8:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 12/23/2021 6:13 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:47:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/23/2021 5:27 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:11:38 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/23/2021 11:54 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:56 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No one is going to want people like you around. You're a
>>>>>>>>>> Biden Butt Kisser and Frank will be so deep in depression
>>>>>>>>>> that he won't post for months.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't recall ever posting anything about Biden, as
>>>>>>>>> opposed to your love letters to trump (and you call _me_
>>>>>>>>> gay....). I don't recall that Frank retreated into any
>>>>>>>>> type of shell in 2016 when that bloated orange bastard
>>>>>>>>> waddled into the oval office with trumpian majorities in
>>>>>>>>> both houses. I don't see why - should it happen again -
>>>>>>>>> this time would be any different.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'll admit I was sadly disillusioned when Trump won the
>>>>>>>> electoral vote in 2016. I took some solace in the fact that
>>>>>>>> he lost the popular vote, but how could so many be convinced
>>>>>>>> that a reality TV star should lead the country?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tom has given me insight into at least one type of person
>>>>>>>> who adores Trump: uneducated, enraged, easily swayed by
>>>>>>>> propaganda, absolutely rejecting of facts and totally
>>>>>>>> illogical. If he's in any way typical, democracy is in bad
>>>>>>>> shape.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your predisposition has led you to misread the electorate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would agree with that. I had a belief that there were enough
>>>>>> logical, rational, and thoughtful people in this country to
>>>>>> prevent the election of such an obviously unhinged, arrogant, and
>>>>>> narcissistic charlatan. Trumps election in 2016 proved me very
>>>>>> very wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a tough argument to make isn't it?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuopl-Fg9EE
>>>>>
>>>>> I remain unconvinced.
>>>>
>>>> Well, Biden keeps saying "expodentially," even though it is not a
>>>> word, instead of "exponentially.""
>>>>
>>>> Trump said, "You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do
>>>> anything.”
>>>>
>>>> I guess the question is which do you prefer for a president?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, yes that's right.
>>> And I prefer coherent policy, foibles notwithstanding.
>>>
>>> OTOH both Mr Johnson and Mr Nixon were world-class
>>> pottymouths and I don't know a soul who hates them both.
>>
>> I don't think it is a matter of "hate" more a matter of what sort of
>> chap you wish to associate with.
>>
>> As for Trump's "coherent policies" I am reminded of the so called
>> trade war initiated by President Trump. "Yup, we gonna teach them
>> Chinks who's the boss" and strangely enough the Chinese immediately
>> imposed an import duty on U.S. goods. which resulted in "the U.S.
>> having to subsidizing American farmers for up to $12 billion for their
>> suffering of lost export sales resulting from the president’s own
>> escalating tariff action." And
>> "Trump’s 2018 tariffs-to-date on steel, aluminum, and China have
>> caused the European Union and five other major trading partners to
>> implement retaliatory actions affecting $27 billion of US agricultural
>> sales to the world. Trump’s tariffs suddenly put 20 percent of total
>> American agricultural exports at risk."
>> https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/first-tariffs-then-subsidies-soybeans-illustrate-trumps
>>
>> https://theconversation.com/how-soybeans-became-chinas-most-powerful-weapon-in-trumps-trade-war-118088
>>
>>
>> Cutting off the nose to spite the face?
>>
>
> I actually agree with you on that.
>
> Then again-
> Strong dollar, low inflation, light regulatory policies which led to
> record employment; that combined with a simpler flatter tax schedule
> greatly benefited those of modest to lower incomes.  Energy
> independence, record energy exports, low fuel prices (benefit both
> industry and consumer), application of long-standing immigration law
> (another benefit to modest/low income Americans especially young &
> unskilled). On another tack, finally achieved long-promised Federal
> prison sentencing reform and extra bonus moving our embassy from Tel
> Aviv to the capital Jerusalem (as voted by a dozen Congresses since the
> Clinton era but never implemented despite promises).

Note item W in the list below:

========================

Mike Sampsel

A person asked the question, "Why are people so hostile towards
President Donald Trump?"

Chris O'Leary:

I’ll take a stab at this. Before you pass my answer off as “Another
Liberal Snowflake” consider that 1.) I'm an independent centrist who has
voted Republican way more often in my life than Democrat, and 2.) if you
want to call someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in
the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the question what
did you do with your 20’s?

Why Liberals (And not-so liberals) are against President Trump.

A.) He lies. A LOT. Politifact rates 69% of the words he speaks as
“Mostly False or worse” Only 17% of the things he says get a “Mostly
True” or better rating. That is an absolutely unbelievable number. How
he doesn’t speak more truth by mistake is beyond me. To put it in
context, Obama’s rating was 26% mostly false or worse, and I had a
problem with that. Many of Trump’s former business associates report
that he has always been a compulsive liar, but now he’s the President of
the United States, and that’s a problem. And this is a man who expects
you to believe him when he points at other people and says “They’re lying”

B.) He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative. He advances
regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and
federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are
supposed to hate.

C.) He pretends at Christianity to court the Religious Right but fails
to live anything resembling a Christ-Like Life.

D.) His nationalist “America First” message effectively alienates us and
removes us from our place as leaders in the international community.

E.) His ideas on “Keeping us safe” are all thinly veiled ideas to remove
our freedoms, he is, after all, an authoritarian first. They also are
simply bad ideas.

F.) He couldn’t pass a 3rd-grade civics exam. He doesn't’ know what he’s
doing. He doesn't understand how international relations work, he
doesn’t understand how federal state or local governments work, and
every time someone tries to “Run it like a business” it’s a spectacular
failure. See Colorado Springs’ recent history as an example. The Short,
Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise And that was a businessman with a
MUCH better business track record than Trump. We are talking about a man
who lost money owning a freaking gambling casino.

G.) He behaves unethicaly and always has. As a businessman, he
constantly left in his wake unpaid contractors and invoices, litigation,
broken promises, whatever he could get away with.

H.) He is damaging our relationships with our best international friends
while kissing up to nations that do not have our best interests in mind.
To his question “Wouldn't’ it be great to have better relations with
Russia?” The answer is Yes. But it is RUSSIA who needs to earn that, who
must stop doing the things that are damaging to that relationship, or we
are simply weaker for it.

On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:24:23 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 12/23/2021 8:20 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 19:26:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/23/2021 6:13 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:47:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:27 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:11:38 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 11:54 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:56 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No one is going to want people like you around. You're a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden Butt Kisser and Frank will be so deep in depression
>>>>>>>>>>>> that he won't post for months.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall ever posting anything about Biden, as
>>>>>>>>>>> opposed to your love letters to trump (and you call _me_
>>>>>>>>>>> gay....). I don't recall that Frank retreated into any
>>>>>>>>>>> type of shell in 2016 when that bloated orange bastard
>>>>>>>>>>> waddled into the oval office with trumpian majorities in
>>>>>>>>>>> both houses. I don't see why - should it happen again -
>>>>>>>>>>> this time would be any different.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'll admit I was sadly disillusioned when Trump won the
>>>>>>>>>> electoral vote in 2016. I took some solace in the fact that
>>>>>>>>>> he lost the popular vote, but how could so many be convinced
>>>>>>>>>> that a reality TV star should lead the country?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tom has given me insight into at least one type of person
>>>>>>>>>> who adores Trump: uneducated, enraged, easily swayed by
>>>>>>>>>> propaganda, absolutely rejecting of facts and totally
>>>>>>>>>> illogical. If he's in any way typical, democracy is in bad
>>>>>>>>>> shape.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your predisposition has led you to misread the electorate.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would agree with that. I had a belief that there were enough logical, rational, and thoughtful people in this country to prevent the election of such an obviously unhinged, arrogant, and narcissistic charlatan. Trumps election in 2016 proved me very very wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a tough argument to make isn't it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuopl-Fg9EE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I remain unconvinced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, Biden keeps saying "expodentially," even though it is not a
>>>>>> word, instead of "exponentially.""
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump said, "You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do
>>>>>> anything.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess the question is which do you prefer for a president?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, yes that's right.
>>>>> And I prefer coherent policy, foibles notwithstanding.
>>>>>
>>>>> OTOH both Mr Johnson and Mr Nixon were world-class
>>>>> pottymouths and I don't know a soul who hates them both.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it is a matter of "hate" more a matter of what sort of
>>>> chap you wish to associate with.
>>>>
>>>> As for Trump's "coherent policies" I am reminded of the so called
>>>> trade war initiated by President Trump. "Yup, we gonna teach them
>>>> Chinks who's the boss" and strangely enough the Chinese immediately
>>>> imposed an import duty on U.S. goods. which resulted in "the U.S.
>>>> having to subsidizing American farmers for up to $12 billion for their
>>>> suffering of lost export sales resulting from the president’s own
>>>> escalating tariff action." And
>>>> "Trump’s 2018 tariffs-to-date on steel, aluminum, and China have
>>>> caused the European Union and five other major trading partners to
>>>> implement retaliatory actions affecting $27 billion of US agricultural
>>>> sales to the world. Trump’s tariffs suddenly put 20 percent of total
>>>> American agricultural exports at risk."
>>>> https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/first-tariffs-then-subsidies-soybeans-illustrate-trumps
>>>> https://theconversation.com/how-soybeans-became-chinas-most-powerful-weapon-in-trumps-trade-war-118088
>>>>
>>>> Cutting off the nose to spite the face?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I actually agree with you on that.
>>>
>>> Then again-
>>> Strong dollar, low inflation, light regulatory policies
>>> which led to record employment; that combined with a simpler
>>> flatter tax schedule greatly benefited those of modest to
>>> lower incomes. Energy independence, record energy exports,
>>> low fuel prices (benefit both industry and consumer),
>>> application of long-standing immigration law (another
>>> benefit to modest/low income Americans especially young &
>>> unskilled). On another tack, finally achieved long-promised
>>> Federal prison sentencing reform and extra bonus moving our
>>> embassy from Tel Aviv to the capital Jerusalem (as voted by
>>> a dozen Congresses since the Clinton era but never
>>> implemented despite promises).
>>
>> Not to pick any special item but this hoop-a-la over immigration is,
>> well, sort of a mystery, at least to me. When I lived in the U.S.
>> immigration was controlled. Example, my wife's younger brother's son
>> attended collage in the U.S. on a special for students sort of visa.
>> when he finished collage he would have had to leave, I believe,
>> because he didn't have a skill needed in the U.S., which seems fair
>> enough.
>>
>> Now I read about all these "refugees" that want to, or are, coming to
>> the U.S. with now apparent skills at all. It doesn't make sense, at
>> least to me.
>>
>> As for low inflation, well, that's easy. Don't pump any more money
>> into the economic system (:-)
>>
>
>I think that horse has left the barn as it were.
>
>Federal reserve bank deposits have gone from $1.8t March
>2020 to $4.3 trillion. Mr Powell's plan ('relax,
>everything's under control') will be at some date uncertain
>(there is still no set date) to reduce monthly bond purchase
>from $120b to $105 billion. That's not a typo, 105 billion
>dollars of new bond purchases per month as a 'contraction'.
>
>But hey it's 'temporary' or 'transitory'. Not.
>
>Oh by the way Mr Trump and the last Congress were horrible
>spenders on nothing particularly useful to the nation. Now
>we've doubled down on that instead of rectifying the errors
>and are trying to increase the punishments with higher
>taxes. I wonder if anyone thought this through to a result?
>Why yes, someone did think about it:
>
>https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/vladimir_lenin_125951

Well, if you flog a billion bonds you effectively borrow a billion
dollars and I suppose that as long as people keep buying the bonds
then everything is wonderful and you can keep paying your bills.... I
think in real life it's called a "Ponzi Scheme", isn't it?

On 12/23/2021 10:52 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 12/23/2021 8:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 12/23/2021 6:13 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:47:15 -0600, AMuzi
>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:27 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:11:38 -0600, AMuzi
>>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 11:54 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5,
>>>>>>> AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:56 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No one is going to want people like you around.
>>>>>>>>>>> You're a
>>>>>>>>>>> Biden Butt Kisser and Frank will be so deep in
>>>>>>>>>>> depression
>>>>>>>>>>> that he won't post for months.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall ever posting anything about Biden, as
>>>>>>>>>> opposed to your love letters to trump (and you
>>>>>>>>>> call _me_
>>>>>>>>>> gay....). I don't recall that Frank retreated into
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>> type of shell in 2016 when that bloated orange
>>>>>>>>>> bastard
>>>>>>>>>> waddled into the oval office with trumpian
>>>>>>>>>> majorities in
>>>>>>>>>> both houses. I don't see why - should it happen
>>>>>>>>>> again -
>>>>>>>>>> this time would be any different.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'll admit I was sadly disillusioned when Trump won
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> electoral vote in 2016. I took some solace in the
>>>>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>>>>> he lost the popular vote, but how could so many be
>>>>>>>>> convinced
>>>>>>>>> that a reality TV star should lead the country?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tom has given me insight into at least one type of
>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>> who adores Trump: uneducated, enraged, easily
>>>>>>>>> swayed by
>>>>>>>>> propaganda, absolutely rejecting of facts and totally
>>>>>>>>> illogical. If he's in any way typical, democracy is
>>>>>>>>> in bad
>>>>>>>>> shape.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your predisposition has led you to misread the
>>>>>>>> electorate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would agree with that. I had a belief that there
>>>>>>> were enough logical, rational, and thoughtful people
>>>>>>> in this country to prevent the election of such an
>>>>>>> obviously unhinged, arrogant, and narcissistic
>>>>>>> charlatan. Trumps election in 2016 proved me very
>>>>>>> very wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a tough argument to make isn't it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuopl-Fg9EE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I remain unconvinced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, Biden keeps saying "expodentially," even though
>>>>> it is not a
>>>>> word, instead of "exponentially.""
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump said, "You can do anything. Grab ’em by the
>>>>> pussy. You can do
>>>>> anything.”
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess the question is which do you prefer for a
>>>>> president?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, yes that's right.
>>>> And I prefer coherent policy, foibles notwithstanding.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH both Mr Johnson and Mr Nixon were world-class
>>>> pottymouths and I don't know a soul who hates them both.
>>>
>>> I don't think it is a matter of "hate" more a matter of
>>> what sort of
>>> chap you wish to associate with.
>>>
>>> As for Trump's "coherent policies" I am reminded of the
>>> so called
>>> trade war initiated by President Trump. "Yup, we gonna
>>> teach them
>>> Chinks who's the boss" and strangely enough the Chinese
>>> immediately
>>> imposed an import duty on U.S. goods. which resulted in
>>> "the U.S.
>>> having to subsidizing American farmers for up to $12
>>> billion for their
>>> suffering of lost export sales resulting from the
>>> president’s own
>>> escalating tariff action." And
>>> "Trump’s 2018 tariffs-to-date on steel, aluminum, and
>>> China have
>>> caused the European Union and five other major trading
>>> partners to
>>> implement retaliatory actions affecting $27 billion of US
>>> agricultural
>>> sales to the world. Trump’s tariffs suddenly put 20
>>> percent of total
>>> American agricultural exports at risk."
>>> https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/first-tariffs-then-subsidies-soybeans-illustrate-trumps
>>>
>>> https://theconversation.com/how-soybeans-became-chinas-most-powerful-weapon-in-trumps-trade-war-118088
>>>
>>>
>>> Cutting off the nose to spite the face?
>>>
>>
>> I actually agree with you on that.
>>
>> Then again-
>> Strong dollar, low inflation, light regulatory policies
>> which led to record employment; that combined with a
>> simpler flatter tax schedule greatly benefited those of
>> modest to lower incomes.� Energy independence, record
>> energy exports, low fuel prices (benefit both industry and
>> consumer), application of long-standing immigration law
>> (another benefit to modest/low income Americans especially
>> young & unskilled). On another tack, finally achieved
>> long-promised Federal prison sentencing reform and extra
>> bonus moving our embassy from Tel Aviv to the capital
>> Jerusalem (as voted by a dozen Congresses since the
>> Clinton era but never implemented despite promises).
>
> Note item W in the list below:
>
> ========================
>
> Mike Sampsel
>
> A person asked the question, "Why are people so hostile
> towards President Donald Trump?"
>
> Chris O'Leary:
>
> I’ll take a stab at this. Before you pass my answer off as
> “Another Liberal Snowflake” consider that 1.) I'm an
> independent centrist who has voted Republican way more often
> in my life than Democrat, and 2.) if you want to call
> someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in
> the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the
> question what did you do with your 20’s?
>
> Why Liberals (And not-so liberals) are against President Trump.
>
> A.) He lies. A LOT. Politifact rates 69% of the words he
> speaks as “Mostly False or worse” Only 17% of the things
> he says get a “Mostly True” or better rating. That is an
> absolutely unbelievable number. How he doesn’t speak more
> truth by mistake is beyond me. To put it in context,
> Obama’s rating was 26% mostly false or worse, and I had a
> problem with that. Many of Trump’s former business
> associates report that he has always been a compulsive liar,
> but now he’s the President of the United States, and
> that’s a problem. And this is a man who expects you to
> believe him when he points at other people and says
> “They’re lying”
>
> B.) He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative. He
> advances regressive social policy while proposing to expand
> federal spending and federalist authority over states, both
> of which conservatives are supposed to hate.
>
> C.) He pretends at Christianity to court the Religious Right
> but fails to live anything resembling a Christ-Like Life.
>
> D.) His nationalist “America First” message effectively
> alienates us and removes us from our place as leaders in the
> international community.
>
> E.) His ideas on “Keeping us safe” are all thinly veiled
> ideas to remove our freedoms, he is, after all, an
> authoritarian first. They also are simply bad ideas.
>
> F.) He couldn’t pass a 3rd-grade civics exam. He
> doesn't’ know what he’s doing. He doesn't understand how
> international relations work, he doesn’t understand how
> federal state or local governments work, and every time
> someone tries to “Run it like a business” it’s a
> spectacular failure. See Colorado Springs’ recent history
> as an example. The Short, Unhappy Life of a Libertarian
> Paradise And that was a businessman with a MUCH better
> business track record than Trump. We are talking about a man
> who lost money owning a freaking gambling casino.
>
> G.) He behaves unethicaly and always has. As a businessman,
> he constantly left in his wake unpaid contractors and
> invoices, litigation, broken promises, whatever he could get
> away with.
>
> H.) He is damaging our relationships with our best
> international friends while kissing up to nations that do
> not have our best interests in mind. To his question
> “Wouldn't’ it be great to have better relations with
> Russia?” The answer is Yes. But it is RUSSIA who needs to
> earn that, who must stop doing the things that are damaging
> to that relationship, or we are simply weaker for it.
>
> I.) He has never seen a shortcut he didn't like, and you
> can’t take shortcuts in government. “Nuclear Option,
> Remove the Filibuster, I’ll change the Constitution by
> Executive Order…Don…what happens when you remove the
> filibuster and the other side retakes the majority in the
> Senate? Suddenly want that filibuster back? What happens if
> you manage to change the Constitution by Executive Order and
> an Anti-2A President wins the next election?
>
> J.) He behaves and has always behaved as an unabashed
> racist. Yes, I’ve seen your favorite meme that claims he
> was never accused of racism before the
> Democrats…Absolutely false. Donald Trump’s long history
> of racism, from the 1970s to 2019 See the Central Park 5,
> the lawsuits and fines resulting from his refusal to lease
> to black tenants, the 1992 lost appeal trying to overturn
> penalties for removing black dealers from tables, his
> remarks to the house native American affairs subcommittee in
> 1993. The man sees and treats racial groups of people as
> monoliths.
>
> K.) He is systematically steamrolling regulations
> specifically designed to keep a disaster like the 2007
> subprime mortgage crisis from happening again.
>
> L.) He speaks and acts like a demagogue. He sees the
> Legislative and Judicial branches of government as
> inconveniences, blows up at criticism no matter how deserved
> and actively tries to countermand constitutional processes,
> not to mention attempts to blackmail and coerce people who
> are saying negative things about him
>
> M.) His choices for top positions, with the exception of
> Gen. Mattis, who is a gem, have been horrendous. A secretary
> of Education without a resume that would get her hired as a
> small town grammar school principal, A secretary of Energy
> who didn't know the Department of Energy was responsible for
> nuclear reserves, an EPA head whose biggest accomplishments
> to date had been suing the EPA on multiple occasions, an FCC
> head who while working for Verizon actively lobbied to kill
> net neutrality, and an Attorney General who thinks pot is
> “nearly as bad as heroin” and asked Congress for
> permission to go after legal pot businesses in states where
> it is legal. (There goes that great Republican States rights
> rally cry again, right? *Crickets*) An Interim AG after
> Firing his First AG who’s appointment is probably
> unconstitutional.
>
> N.) He denies scientific fact. Ever notice that the only
> people you hear denying climate change are politicians and
> lobbyists? 99% of actual scientists studying the issue agree
> that it’s real, man-made and caused by greenhouse gasses.
> Ever notice that every big disaster movie starts with a
> bunch of politicians in a room ignoring a scientist's warning?
>
> 0.) He does not have the temperament to lead this nation. He
> is Thin Skinned, childish, and a bully, never mind
> misogynistic, boorish, rude, and incapable of civil discourse.
>
> P.) He still does not understand that the words he speaks,
> or tweets, are the official position of 1/3 of the US
> government, and so does not govern his words. He still
> thinks when he speaks it’s good ol’ Donald Trump. It’s
> not. It’s the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. You have
> probably spread a meme or two around talking about how no
> president’s every word has ever been dissected
> before…YES, THEY ALWAYS HAVE. It’s just that every other
> president in our lifetime has understood the importance of
> his words and took great care to govern his speech. Trump
> blurts out whatever comes to his mind then complains when
> people talk about what a dumb thing that was to say.
>
> Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and
> were looking for someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume
> came across your desk and you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a
> man who had failed to make money running CASINOS, would you
> hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This is a man it
> has been estimated would have been worth $10 BILLION more if
> he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it
> in Index Funds and left it alone.
>
> R.) He is President. But he refuses to take a leadership
> position and understand that he is everyone’s President.
> Conservatives complain about liberals chanting “Not my
> President” while Trump himself behaves as if no one but
> his supporters matter.
>
> S.) He’s a blatant hypocrite. He spent 8 years bitching
> Obama out for his family trips, or golfing, or any time he
> took for himself, and what does he do? He was already on his
> 20th golf outing in APRIL of his 1st year in office. He
> constantly rants about respect for the military, yet can’t
> be bothered to attend the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day
> because of a little rain. (And that excuse about Marine One
> not being able to fly in the rain is HILARIOUS.)
>
> T.) He’s a misogynist. It's not really ok in this day and
> age to be a misogynist, but it’s not a huge deal if
> you’re a private citizen. It’s a pretty big deal if you
> hate half the people you’re elected to lead. The disdain
> for women seeps out of his …whatever…. and he just
> can’t hide it.
>
> U.) Face it. In any other election “Grab Em’ By the
> Pussy” would have been the end of that candidate’s
> chances. Back in the 90’s I used to marvel about how
> Teflon Bill Clinton was. I no longer do. The fact that he
> managed to slip by on that is as much a statement about how
> much people hate Hillary Clinton as it is about what is
> wrong with politics in this country right now.
>
> V.) He has one response to a differing opinion. Attack. A
> good leader listens to criticism, to different points of
> view, is capable of self-reflection, tries to guide people
> to his point of view, and when necessary stands his ground
> and defends his convictions. Any of that sound like Trump?
> His default is not to Lead, its’ to attack. Scorched
> Earth. The Jim Acosta reaction is a good example. There was
> no defense of his convictions when Acosta was asking him
> repeated questions about his rhetoric on the caravan. His
> response was to attack Acosta.
>
> W.) He takes credit for everything positive while deflecting
> blame for everything negative. Look at him with the Stock
> Market. He’s been bragging about it since day one, and to
> give credit where credit is due, speculation on coming
> deregulation early in his presidency did fuel some rapid
> growth, but to pretend that it’s all him, that we’re not
> in the 9th year of the longest bull market in history and
> THEN, when the standard market volatility that deregulation
> inevitably brings about starts to show up? Yeah. Look at
> yesterday. Hey! Stock Markets losing because the Democrats
> won! Do I need to bring out the Stock market chart for the
> last 10 Years again?
>
> X.) He emboldens the worst among us. Counter-protesters are
> slammed into by a car while countering actual Nazi rally,
> and the response is there’s fault on “Both Sides” The
> media is at fault for a nut job sending them and Donald’s
> favorite targets pipe bombs. The truth is not all
> Republicans, not all Trump Supporters are racist, fascist
> lunatics. Many are just taken in by the bombastic
> personality and are living in an information bubble made
> worse by the fact that they unfollow anyone and ignore any
> source of information that makes them feel uncomfortable.
> People on the left do that too. The Biggest problem the
> right has right now is that the worst of the Right is the
> loudest and the most in your face, and the actual right,
> especially the Freaking PRESIDENT needs to be standing up
> and saying No. Those are not our values.
>
> Y.) He seems to think the Constitution of The United States,
> the document that IS who we are, the document he took an
> oath to support and defend is some sort of inconvenience. He
> demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of
> Constitution, from believing he can alter the 14th through
> executive order, to thinking The free exercise clause in the
> first amendment somehow supersedes the establishment clause
> (not that he really understands either) or that the free
> exercise clause only applies to Christians. Or his attacks
> on freedom of expression and the press. He repeatedly makes
> it clear that if he’s read them, he does not understand
> Articles 1–3, and that’s something he really should have
> before he took the job, because they’re not going away.
>
> Z.) I’ll use Z for something I do blame him for, but the
> rest of us have to carry the blame too. Polarization. This
> country is more politically polarized than I can remember in
> my lifetime. Some of you who are a few years older than I
> may remember how it was in the late 60’s when construction
> workers in New York were being applauded for beating up
> hippies, I think it’s pretty close to that right now, but
> that was before my time. And he is the cause of much of the
> current level polarization, but also the result. It
> didn't’ start with Trump. We’ve been going down this
> road I think since the eruption of the Tea Party in the
> early years of the Obama Administration. I do hope the tide
> turns before it gets much worse because the thing that
> scares me more than anything is what if that keeps going the
> way it has been?
>
> ========================
>
>

On 12/23/2021 11:30 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:24:23 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 12/23/2021 8:20 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 19:26:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/23/2021 6:13 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:47:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:27 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:11:38 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 11:54 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:56 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one is going to want people like you around. You're a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden Butt Kisser and Frank will be so deep in depression
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that he won't post for months.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall ever posting anything about Biden, as
>>>>>>>>>>>> opposed to your love letters to trump (and you call _me_
>>>>>>>>>>>> gay....). I don't recall that Frank retreated into any
>>>>>>>>>>>> type of shell in 2016 when that bloated orange bastard
>>>>>>>>>>>> waddled into the oval office with trumpian majorities in
>>>>>>>>>>>> both houses. I don't see why - should it happen again -
>>>>>>>>>>>> this time would be any different.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll admit I was sadly disillusioned when Trump won the
>>>>>>>>>>> electoral vote in 2016. I took some solace in the fact that
>>>>>>>>>>> he lost the popular vote, but how could so many be convinced
>>>>>>>>>>> that a reality TV star should lead the country?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Tom has given me insight into at least one type of person
>>>>>>>>>>> who adores Trump: uneducated, enraged, easily swayed by
>>>>>>>>>>> propaganda, absolutely rejecting of facts and totally
>>>>>>>>>>> illogical. If he's in any way typical, democracy is in bad
>>>>>>>>>>> shape.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your predisposition has led you to misread the electorate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would agree with that. I had a belief that there were enough logical, rational, and thoughtful people in this country to prevent the election of such an obviously unhinged, arrogant, and narcissistic charlatan. Trumps election in 2016 proved me very very wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a tough argument to make isn't it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuopl-Fg9EE
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I remain unconvinced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, Biden keeps saying "expodentially," even though it is not a
>>>>>>> word, instead of "exponentially.""
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump said, "You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do
>>>>>>> anything.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess the question is which do you prefer for a president?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, yes that's right.
>>>>>> And I prefer coherent policy, foibles notwithstanding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OTOH both Mr Johnson and Mr Nixon were world-class
>>>>>> pottymouths and I don't know a soul who hates them both.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it is a matter of "hate" more a matter of what sort of
>>>>> chap you wish to associate with.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Trump's "coherent policies" I am reminded of the so called
>>>>> trade war initiated by President Trump. "Yup, we gonna teach them
>>>>> Chinks who's the boss" and strangely enough the Chinese immediately
>>>>> imposed an import duty on U.S. goods. which resulted in "the U.S.
>>>>> having to subsidizing American farmers for up to $12 billion for their
>>>>> suffering of lost export sales resulting from the president’s own
>>>>> escalating tariff action." And
>>>>> "Trump’s 2018 tariffs-to-date on steel, aluminum, and China have
>>>>> caused the European Union and five other major trading partners to
>>>>> implement retaliatory actions affecting $27 billion of US agricultural
>>>>> sales to the world. Trump’s tariffs suddenly put 20 percent of total
>>>>> American agricultural exports at risk."
>>>>> https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/first-tariffs-then-subsidies-soybeans-illustrate-trumps
>>>>> https://theconversation.com/how-soybeans-became-chinas-most-powerful-weapon-in-trumps-trade-war-118088
>>>>>
>>>>> Cutting off the nose to spite the face?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I actually agree with you on that.
>>>>
>>>> Then again-
>>>> Strong dollar, low inflation, light regulatory policies
>>>> which led to record employment; that combined with a simpler
>>>> flatter tax schedule greatly benefited those of modest to
>>>> lower incomes. Energy independence, record energy exports,
>>>> low fuel prices (benefit both industry and consumer),
>>>> application of long-standing immigration law (another
>>>> benefit to modest/low income Americans especially young &
>>>> unskilled). On another tack, finally achieved long-promised
>>>> Federal prison sentencing reform and extra bonus moving our
>>>> embassy from Tel Aviv to the capital Jerusalem (as voted by
>>>> a dozen Congresses since the Clinton era but never
>>>> implemented despite promises).
>>>
>>> Not to pick any special item but this hoop-a-la over immigration is,
>>> well, sort of a mystery, at least to me. When I lived in the U.S.
>>> immigration was controlled. Example, my wife's younger brother's son
>>> attended collage in the U.S. on a special for students sort of visa.
>>> when he finished collage he would have had to leave, I believe,
>>> because he didn't have a skill needed in the U.S., which seems fair
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> Now I read about all these "refugees" that want to, or are, coming to
>>> the U.S. with now apparent skills at all. It doesn't make sense, at
>>> least to me.
>>>
>>> As for low inflation, well, that's easy. Don't pump any more money
>>> into the economic system (:-)
>>>
>>
>> I think that horse has left the barn as it were.
>>
>> Federal reserve bank deposits have gone from $1.8t March
>> 2020 to $4.3 trillion. Mr Powell's plan ('relax,
>> everything's under control') will be at some date uncertain
>> (there is still no set date) to reduce monthly bond purchase
>>from $120b to $105 billion. That's not a typo, 105 billion
>> dollars of new bond purchases per month as a 'contraction'.
>>
>> But hey it's 'temporary' or 'transitory'. Not.
>>
>> Oh by the way Mr Trump and the last Congress were horrible
>> spenders on nothing particularly useful to the nation. Now
>> we've doubled down on that instead of rectifying the errors
>> and are trying to increase the punishments with higher
>> taxes. I wonder if anyone thought this through to a result?
>> Why yes, someone did think about it:
>>
>> https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/vladimir_lenin_125951
>
> Well, if you flog a billion bonds you effectively borrow a billion
> dollars and I suppose that as long as people keep buying the bonds
> then everything is wonderful and you can keep paying your bills.... I
> think in real life it's called a "Ponzi Scheme", isn't it?
>

On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 8:52:37 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 12/23/2021 8:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 12/23/2021 6:13 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:47:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 12/23/2021 5:27 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:11:38 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 12/23/2021 11:54 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:56 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5,
> >>>>>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> No one is going to want people like you around. You're a
> >>>>>>>>>> Biden Butt Kisser and Frank will be so deep in depression
> >>>>>>>>>> that he won't post for months.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I don't recall ever posting anything about Biden, as
> >>>>>>>>> opposed to your love letters to trump (and you call _me_
> >>>>>>>>> gay....). I don't recall that Frank retreated into any
> >>>>>>>>> type of shell in 2016 when that bloated orange bastard
> >>>>>>>>> waddled into the oval office with trumpian majorities in
> >>>>>>>>> both houses. I don't see why - should it happen again -
> >>>>>>>>> this time would be any different.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'll admit I was sadly disillusioned when Trump won the
> >>>>>>>> electoral vote in 2016. I took some solace in the fact that
> >>>>>>>> he lost the popular vote, but how could so many be convinced
> >>>>>>>> that a reality TV star should lead the country?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Tom has given me insight into at least one type of person
> >>>>>>>> who adores Trump: uneducated, enraged, easily swayed by
> >>>>>>>> propaganda, absolutely rejecting of facts and totally
> >>>>>>>> illogical. If he's in any way typical, democracy is in bad
> >>>>>>>> shape.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Your predisposition has led you to misread the electorate.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would agree with that. I had a belief that there were enough
> >>>>>> logical, rational, and thoughtful people in this country to
> >>>>>> prevent the election of such an obviously unhinged, arrogant, and
> >>>>>> narcissistic charlatan. Trumps election in 2016 proved me very
> >>>>>> very wrong.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's a tough argument to make isn't it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuopl-Fg9EE
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I remain unconvinced.
> >>>>
> >>>> Well, Biden keeps saying "expodentially," even though it is not a
> >>>> word, instead of "exponentially.""
> >>>>
> >>>> Trump said, "You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do
> >>>> anything.”
> >>>>
> >>>> I guess the question is which do you prefer for a president?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Well, yes that's right.
> >>> And I prefer coherent policy, foibles notwithstanding.
> >>>
> >>> OTOH both Mr Johnson and Mr Nixon were world-class
> >>> pottymouths and I don't know a soul who hates them both.
> >>
> >> I don't think it is a matter of "hate" more a matter of what sort of
> >> chap you wish to associate with.
> >>
> >> As for Trump's "coherent policies" I am reminded of the so called
> >> trade war initiated by President Trump. "Yup, we gonna teach them
> >> Chinks who's the boss" and strangely enough the Chinese immediately
> >> imposed an import duty on U.S. goods. which resulted in "the U.S.
> >> having to subsidizing American farmers for up to $12 billion for their
> >> suffering of lost export sales resulting from the president’s own
> >> escalating tariff action." And
> >> "Trump’s 2018 tariffs-to-date on steel, aluminum, and China have
> >> caused the European Union and five other major trading partners to
> >> implement retaliatory actions affecting $27 billion of US agricultural
> >> sales to the world. Trump’s tariffs suddenly put 20 percent of total
> >> American agricultural exports at risk."
> >> https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/first-tariffs-then-subsidies-soybeans-illustrate-trumps
> >>
> >> https://theconversation.com/how-soybeans-became-chinas-most-powerful-weapon-in-trumps-trade-war-118088
> >>
> >>
> >> Cutting off the nose to spite the face?
> >>
> >
> > I actually agree with you on that.
> >
> > Then again-
> > Strong dollar, low inflation, light regulatory policies which led to
> > record employment; that combined with a simpler flatter tax schedule
> > greatly benefited those of modest to lower incomes. Energy
> > independence, record energy exports, low fuel prices (benefit both
> > industry and consumer), application of long-standing immigration law
> > (another benefit to modest/low income Americans especially young &
> > unskilled). On another tack, finally achieved long-promised Federal
> > prison sentencing reform and extra bonus moving our embassy from Tel
> > Aviv to the capital Jerusalem (as voted by a dozen Congresses since the
> > Clinton era but never implemented despite promises).
> Note item W in the list below:
>
> ========================
>
> Mike Sampsel
>
> A person asked the question, "Why are people so hostile towards
> President Donald Trump?"
>
> Chris O'Leary:
>
> I’ll take a stab at this. Before you pass my answer off as “Another
> Liberal Snowflake” consider that 1.) I'm an independent centrist who has
> voted Republican way more often in my life than Democrat, and 2.) if you
> want to call someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in
> the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the question what
> did you do with your 20’s?
>
> Why Liberals (And not-so liberals) are against President Trump.
>
> A.) He lies. A LOT. Politifact rates 69% of the words he speaks as
> “Mostly False or worse” Only 17% of the things he says get a “Mostly
> True” or better rating. That is an absolutely unbelievable number.. How
> he doesn’t speak more truth by mistake is beyond me. To put it in
> context, Obama’s rating was 26% mostly false or worse, and I had a
> problem with that. Many of Trump’s former business associates report
> that he has always been a compulsive liar, but now he’s the President of
> the United States, and that’s a problem. And this is a man who expects
> you to believe him when he points at other people and says “They’re lying”
>
> B.) He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative. He advances
> regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and
> federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are
> supposed to hate.
>
> C.) He pretends at Christianity to court the Religious Right but fails
> to live anything resembling a Christ-Like Life.
>
> D.) His nationalist “America First” message effectively alienates us and
> removes us from our place as leaders in the international community.
>
> E.) His ideas on “Keeping us safe” are all thinly veiled ideas to remove
> our freedoms, he is, after all, an authoritarian first. They also are
> simply bad ideas.
>
> F.) He couldn’t pass a 3rd-grade civics exam. He doesn't’ know what he’s
> doing. He doesn't understand how international relations work, he
> doesn’t understand how federal state or local governments work, and
> every time someone tries to “Run it like a business” it’s a spectacular
> failure. See Colorado Springs’ recent history as an example. The Short,
> Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise And that was a businessman with a
> MUCH better business track record than Trump. We are talking about a man
> who lost money owning a freaking gambling casino.
>
> G.) He behaves unethicaly and always has. As a businessman, he
> constantly left in his wake unpaid contractors and invoices, litigation,
> broken promises, whatever he could get away with.
>
> H.) He is damaging our relationships with our best international friends
> while kissing up to nations that do not have our best interests in mind.
> To his question “Wouldn't’ it be great to have better relations with
> Russia?” The answer is Yes. But it is RUSSIA who needs to earn that, who
> must stop doing the things that are damaging to that relationship, or we
> are simply weaker for it.
>
> I.) He has never seen a shortcut he didn't like, and you can’t take
> shortcuts in government. “Nuclear Option, Remove the Filibuster, I’ll
> change the Constitution by Executive Order…Don…what happens when you
> remove the filibuster and the other side retakes the majority in the
> Senate? Suddenly want that filibuster back? What happens if you manage
> to change the Constitution by Executive Order and an Anti-2A President
> wins the next election?
>
> J.) He behaves and has always behaved as an unabashed racist. Yes, I’ve
> seen your favorite meme that claims he was never accused of racism
> before the Democrats…Absolutely false. Donald Trump’s long history of
> racism, from the 1970s to 2019 See the Central Park 5, the lawsuits and
> fines resulting from his refusal to lease to black tenants, the 1992
> lost appeal trying to overturn penalties for removing black dealers from
> tables, his remarks to the house native American affairs subcommittee in
> 1993. The man sees and treats racial groups of people as monoliths.
>
> K.) He is systematically steamrolling regulations specifically designed
> to keep a disaster like the 2007 subprime mortgage crisis from happening
> again.
>
> L.) He speaks and acts like a demagogue. He sees the Legislative and
> Judicial branches of government as inconveniences, blows up at criticism
> no matter how deserved and actively tries to countermand constitutional
> processes, not to mention attempts to blackmail and coerce people who
> are saying negative things about him
>
> M.) His choices for top positions, with the exception of Gen. Mattis,
> who is a gem, have been horrendous. A secretary of Education without a
> resume that would get her hired as a small town grammar school
> principal, A secretary of Energy who didn't know the Department of
> Energy was responsible for nuclear reserves, an EPA head whose biggest
> accomplishments to date had been suing the EPA on multiple occasions, an
> FCC head who while working for Verizon actively lobbied to kill net
> neutrality, and an Attorney General who thinks pot is “nearly as bad as
> heroin” and asked Congress for permission to go after legal pot
> businesses in states where it is legal. (There goes that great
> Republican States rights rally cry again, right? *Crickets*) An Interim
> AG after Firing his First AG who’s appointment is probably unconstitutional.
>
> N.) He denies scientific fact. Ever notice that the only people you hear
> denying climate change are politicians and lobbyists? 99% of actual
> scientists studying the issue agree that it’s real, man-made and caused
> by greenhouse gasses. Ever notice that every big disaster movie starts
> with a bunch of politicians in a room ignoring a scientist's warning?
>
> 0.) He does not have the temperament to lead this nation. He is Thin
> Skinned, childish, and a bully, never mind misogynistic, boorish, rude,
> and incapable of civil discourse.
>
> P.) He still does not understand that the words he speaks, or tweets,
> are the official position of 1/3 of the US government, and so does not
> govern his words. He still thinks when he speaks it’s good ol’ Donald
> Trump. It’s not. It’s the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. You have
> probably spread a meme or two around talking about how no president’s
> every word has ever been dissected before…YES, THEY ALWAYS HAVE. It’s
> just that every other president in our lifetime has understood the
> importance of his words and took great care to govern his speech. Trump
> blurts out whatever comes to his mind then complains when people talk
> about what a dumb thing that was to say.
>
> Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and were looking for
> someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume came across your desk and
> you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a man who had failed to make money
> running CASINOS, would you hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This
> is a man it has been estimated would have been worth $10 BILLION more if
> he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it in Index
> Funds and left it alone.
>
> R.) He is President. But he refuses to take a leadership position and
> understand that he is everyone’s President. Conservatives complain about
> liberals chanting “Not my President” while Trump himself behaves as if
> no one but his supporters matter.
>
> S.) He’s a blatant hypocrite. He spent 8 years bitching Obama out for
> his family trips, or golfing, or any time he took for himself, and what
> does he do? He was already on his 20th golf outing in APRIL of his 1st
> year in office. He constantly rants about respect for the military, yet
> can’t be bothered to attend the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day
> because of a little rain. (And that excuse about Marine One not being
> able to fly in the rain is HILARIOUS.)
>
> T.) He’s a misogynist. It's not really ok in this day and age to be a
> misogynist, but it’s not a huge deal if you’re a private citizen. It’s a
> pretty big deal if you hate half the people you’re elected to lead. The
> disdain for women seeps out of his …whatever…. and he just can’t hide it.
>
> U.) Face it. In any other election “Grab Em’ By the Pussy” would have
> been the end of that candidate’s chances. Back in the 90’s I used to
> marvel about how Teflon Bill Clinton was. I no longer do. The fact that
> he managed to slip by on that is as much a statement about how much
> people hate Hillary Clinton as it is about what is wrong with politics
> in this country right now.
>
> V.) He has one response to a differing opinion. Attack. A good leader
> listens to criticism, to different points of view, is capable of
> self-reflection, tries to guide people to his point of view, and when
> necessary stands his ground and defends his convictions. Any of that
> sound like Trump? His default is not to Lead, its’ to attack. Scorched
> Earth. The Jim Acosta reaction is a good example. There was no defense
> of his convictions when Acosta was asking him repeated questions about
> his rhetoric on the caravan. His response was to attack Acosta.
>
> W.) He takes credit for everything positive while deflecting blame for
> everything negative. Look at him with the Stock Market. He’s been
> bragging about it since day one, and to give credit where credit is due,
> speculation on coming deregulation early in his presidency did fuel some
> rapid growth, but to pretend that it’s all him, that we’re not in the
> 9th year of the longest bull market in history and THEN, when the
> standard market volatility that deregulation inevitably brings about
> starts to show up? Yeah. Look at yesterday. Hey! Stock Markets losing
> because the Democrats won! Do I need to bring out the Stock market chart
> for the last 10 Years again?
>
> X.) He emboldens the worst among us. Counter-protesters are slammed into
> by a car while countering actual Nazi rally, and the response is there’s
> fault on “Both Sides” The media is at fault for a nut job sending them
> and Donald’s favorite targets pipe bombs. The truth is not all
> Republicans, not all Trump Supporters are racist, fascist lunatics. Many
> are just taken in by the bombastic personality and are living in an
> information bubble made worse by the fact that they unfollow anyone and
> ignore any source of information that makes them feel uncomfortable.
> People on the left do that too. The Biggest problem the right has right
> now is that the worst of the Right is the loudest and the most in your
> face, and the actual right, especially the Freaking PRESIDENT needs to
> be standing up and saying No. Those are not our values.
>
> Y.) He seems to think the Constitution of The United States, the
> document that IS who we are, the document he took an oath to support and
> defend is some sort of inconvenience. He demonstrates a complete lack of
> understanding of Constitution, from believing he can alter the 14th
> through executive order, to thinking The free exercise clause in the
> first amendment somehow supersedes the establishment clause (not that he
> really understands either) or that the free exercise clause only applies
> to Christians. Or his attacks on freedom of expression and the press. He
> repeatedly makes it clear that if he’s read them, he does not understand
> Articles 1–3, and that’s something he really should have before he took
> the job, because they’re not going away.
>
> Z.) I’ll use Z for something I do blame him for, but the rest of us have
> to carry the blame too. Polarization. This country is more politically
> polarized than I can remember in my lifetime. Some of you who are a few
> years older than I may remember how it was in the late 60’s when
> construction workers in New York were being applauded for beating up
> hippies, I think it’s pretty close to that right now, but that was
> before my time. And he is the cause of much of the current level
> polarization, but also the result. It didn't’ start with Trump. We’ve
> been going down this road I think since the eruption of the Tea Party in
> the early years of the Obama Administration. I do hope the tide turns
> before it gets much worse because the thing that scares me more than
> anything is what if that keeps going the way it has been?

On 12/23/2021 8:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 3:58:26 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>>> That's interesting. I can't access Forbes on this machine but I did a
>>> quick search and found a 2011 statement from Mr Biden regarding a
>>> stutter. I would not make fun of a stutterer but this wasn't that.
>> FWIW, one of my best engineering friends had a weird inability to
>> pronounce the word "aluminum." That was despite his very high
>> intelligence. (Note to Tom: He was a _real_ electrical engineer.) I
>> suppose he eventually got over that problem, or else Alcoa Corporation
>> decided it wasn't important. He worked there for decades until he retired.
>>
>> On a matter of similar earth shaking importance, there have been many
>> people posting to this forum who spell "loose" when they mean "lose."
>>
>> Oh, the humanity!
>
> I notice you couldn't tell us this horrible mispronunciation of aluminum. In case your unaware of it like the highly educated person you are, that is a trade name and the material itself is aluminium. Try learning a little chemistry before you speak about things.

<sigh> No, Tom, he did not pronounce it as "aluminium." His
mispronunciation was different.

And no, Tom, "aluminum" is not a trade name. See
https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/aluminum-vs-aluminium
Quit inventing facts in your attempts to look intelligent. It's not working.

Finally, your statement "... in case your unaware of it ..." contains a
misspelling.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:53:14 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 12/23/2021 8:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 3:58:26 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>
> >>> That's interesting. I can't access Forbes on this machine but I did a
> >>> quick search and found a 2011 statement from Mr Biden regarding a
> >>> stutter. I would not make fun of a stutterer but this wasn't that.
> >> FWIW, one of my best engineering friends had a weird inability to
> >> pronounce the word "aluminum." That was despite his very high
> >> intelligence. (Note to Tom: He was a _real_ electrical engineer.) I
> >> suppose he eventually got over that problem, or else Alcoa Corporation
> >> decided it wasn't important. He worked there for decades until he retired.
> >>
> >> On a matter of similar earth shaking importance, there have been many
> >> people posting to this forum who spell "loose" when they mean "lose."
> >>
> >> Oh, the humanity!
> >
> > I notice you couldn't tell us this horrible mispronunciation of aluminum. In case your unaware of it like the highly educated person you are, that is a trade name and the material itself is aluminium. Try learning a little chemistry before you speak about things.
> <sigh> No, Tom, he did not pronounce it as "aluminium." His
> mispronunciation was different.
>
> And no, Tom, "aluminum" is not a trade name. See
> https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/aluminum-vs-aluminium
> Quit inventing facts in your attempts to look intelligent. It's not working.
>
> Finally, your statement "... in case your unaware of it ..." contains a
> misspelling.

Frank, "it was different" but you don't say what it was. Doesn't anything bother you?

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 11:53:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>And no, Tom, "aluminum" is not a trade name. See
>https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/aluminum-vs-aluminium
>Quit inventing facts in your attempts to look intelligent. It's not working.

In terms of frequency of use in books, aluminum is the more common
spelling:
<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=aluminum%2C+aluminium&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Caluminum%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Caluminium%3B%2Cc0>

In terms of frequency of use on the web, aluminum is again the more
common spelling:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=%22aluminum%22>
443,000,000 results

<https://www.google.com/search?q=%22aluminium%22>
305,000,000 results

--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 4:15:51 p.m. UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 11:53:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >And no, Tom, "aluminum" is not a trade name. See
> >https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/aluminum-vs-aluminium
> >Quit inventing facts in your attempts to look intelligent. It's not working.
> In terms of frequency of use in books, aluminum is the more common
> spelling:
> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=aluminum%2C+aluminium&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Caluminum%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Caluminium%3B%2Cc0>
>
> In terms of frequency of use on the web, aluminum is again the more
> common spelling:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=%22aluminum%22>
> 443,000,000 results
>
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=%22aluminium%22>
> 305,000,000 results
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

That's because most computers use USA English as the default language for English. I know that when I use aluminium my computer flags it as being mispelled.

It's like that too with words such as colour, odour, and so on.

Cheers to everyone and merry Christmas.

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 09:01:56 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 12/23/2021 11:30 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:24:23 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/23/2021 8:20 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 19:26:27 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/23/2021 6:13 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:47:15 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:27 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:11:38 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 11:54 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:56 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No one is going to want people like you around. You're a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden Butt Kisser and Frank will be so deep in depression
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that he won't post for months.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't recall ever posting anything about Biden, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opposed to your love letters to trump (and you call _me_
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gay....). I don't recall that Frank retreated into any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> type of shell in 2016 when that bloated orange bastard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> waddled into the oval office with trumpian majorities in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> both houses. I don't see why - should it happen again -
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this time would be any different.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll admit I was sadly disillusioned when Trump won the
>>>>>>>>>>>> electoral vote in 2016. I took some solace in the fact that
>>>>>>>>>>>> he lost the popular vote, but how could so many be convinced
>>>>>>>>>>>> that a reality TV star should lead the country?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tom has given me insight into at least one type of person
>>>>>>>>>>>> who adores Trump: uneducated, enraged, easily swayed by
>>>>>>>>>>>> propaganda, absolutely rejecting of facts and totally
>>>>>>>>>>>> illogical. If he's in any way typical, democracy is in bad
>>>>>>>>>>>> shape.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your predisposition has led you to misread the electorate.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would agree with that. I had a belief that there were enough logical, rational, and thoughtful people in this country to prevent the election of such an obviously unhinged, arrogant, and narcissistic charlatan. Trumps election in 2016 proved me very very wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's a tough argument to make isn't it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuopl-Fg9EE
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I remain unconvinced.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, Biden keeps saying "expodentially," even though it is not a
>>>>>>>> word, instead of "exponentially.""
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump said, "You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do
>>>>>>>> anything.”
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess the question is which do you prefer for a president?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, yes that's right.
>>>>>>> And I prefer coherent policy, foibles notwithstanding.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OTOH both Mr Johnson and Mr Nixon were world-class
>>>>>>> pottymouths and I don't know a soul who hates them both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think it is a matter of "hate" more a matter of what sort of
>>>>>> chap you wish to associate with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for Trump's "coherent policies" I am reminded of the so called
>>>>>> trade war initiated by President Trump. "Yup, we gonna teach them
>>>>>> Chinks who's the boss" and strangely enough the Chinese immediately
>>>>>> imposed an import duty on U.S. goods. which resulted in "the U.S.
>>>>>> having to subsidizing American farmers for up to $12 billion for their
>>>>>> suffering of lost export sales resulting from the president’s own
>>>>>> escalating tariff action." And
>>>>>> "Trump’s 2018 tariffs-to-date on steel, aluminum, and China have
>>>>>> caused the European Union and five other major trading partners to
>>>>>> implement retaliatory actions affecting $27 billion of US agricultural
>>>>>> sales to the world. Trump’s tariffs suddenly put 20 percent of total
>>>>>> American agricultural exports at risk."
>>>>>> https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/first-tariffs-then-subsidies-soybeans-illustrate-trumps
>>>>>> https://theconversation.com/how-soybeans-became-chinas-most-powerful-weapon-in-trumps-trade-war-118088
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cutting off the nose to spite the face?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually agree with you on that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then again-
>>>>> Strong dollar, low inflation, light regulatory policies
>>>>> which led to record employment; that combined with a simpler
>>>>> flatter tax schedule greatly benefited those of modest to
>>>>> lower incomes. Energy independence, record energy exports,
>>>>> low fuel prices (benefit both industry and consumer),
>>>>> application of long-standing immigration law (another
>>>>> benefit to modest/low income Americans especially young &
>>>>> unskilled). On another tack, finally achieved long-promised
>>>>> Federal prison sentencing reform and extra bonus moving our
>>>>> embassy from Tel Aviv to the capital Jerusalem (as voted by
>>>>> a dozen Congresses since the Clinton era but never
>>>>> implemented despite promises).
>>>>
>>>> Not to pick any special item but this hoop-a-la over immigration is,
>>>> well, sort of a mystery, at least to me. When I lived in the U.S.
>>>> immigration was controlled. Example, my wife's younger brother's son
>>>> attended collage in the U.S. on a special for students sort of visa.
>>>> when he finished collage he would have had to leave, I believe,
>>>> because he didn't have a skill needed in the U.S., which seems fair
>>>> enough.
>>>>
>>>> Now I read about all these "refugees" that want to, or are, coming to
>>>> the U.S. with now apparent skills at all. It doesn't make sense, at
>>>> least to me.
>>>>
>>>> As for low inflation, well, that's easy. Don't pump any more money
>>>> into the economic system (:-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think that horse has left the barn as it were.
>>>
>>> Federal reserve bank deposits have gone from $1.8t March
>>> 2020 to $4.3 trillion. Mr Powell's plan ('relax,
>>> everything's under control') will be at some date uncertain
>>> (there is still no set date) to reduce monthly bond purchase
>>>from $120b to $105 billion. That's not a typo, 105 billion
>>> dollars of new bond purchases per month as a 'contraction'.
>>>
>>> But hey it's 'temporary' or 'transitory'. Not.
>>>
>>> Oh by the way Mr Trump and the last Congress were horrible
>>> spenders on nothing particularly useful to the nation. Now
>>> we've doubled down on that instead of rectifying the errors
>>> and are trying to increase the punishments with higher
>>> taxes. I wonder if anyone thought this through to a result?
>>> Why yes, someone did think about it:
>>>
>>> https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/vladimir_lenin_125951
>>
>> Well, if you flog a billion bonds you effectively borrow a billion
>> dollars and I suppose that as long as people keep buying the bonds
>> then everything is wonderful and you can keep paying your bills.... I
>> think in real life it's called a "Ponzi Scheme", isn't it?
>>
>
>Are you following the Turkish Lira this week?

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 1:15:51 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 11:53:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >And no, Tom, "aluminum" is not a trade name. See
> >https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/aluminum-vs-aluminium
> >Quit inventing facts in your attempts to look intelligent. It's not working.
> In terms of frequency of use in books, aluminum is the more common
> spelling:
> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=aluminum%2C+aluminium&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Caluminum%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Caluminium%3B%2Cc0>
>
> In terms of frequency of use on the web, aluminum is again the more
> common spelling:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=%22aluminum%22>
> 443,000,000 results
>
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=%22aluminium%22>
> 305,000,000 results

The IUPAC has determined either spelling is correct and acceptable. However, the accepted spelling in North America is aluminum, while the accepted spelling just about everywhere else is aluminium. The spelling aluminum came from a misprint in the 1828 Webster's Dictionary. But by all mean argue about it because it makes you look so cool.

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 11:53:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 12/23/2021 8:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 3:58:26 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> That's interesting. I can't access Forbes on this machine but I did a
>>>> quick search and found a 2011 statement from Mr Biden regarding a
>>>> stutter. I would not make fun of a stutterer but this wasn't that.
>>> FWIW, one of my best engineering friends had a weird inability to
>>> pronounce the word "aluminum." That was despite his very high
>>> intelligence. (Note to Tom: He was a _real_ electrical engineer.) I
>>> suppose he eventually got over that problem, or else Alcoa Corporation
>>> decided it wasn't important. He worked there for decades until he retired.
>>>
>>> On a matter of similar earth shaking importance, there have been many
>>> people posting to this forum who spell "loose" when they mean "lose."
>>>
>>> Oh, the humanity!
>>
>> I notice you couldn't tell us this horrible mispronunciation of aluminum. In case your unaware of it like the highly educated person you are, that is a trade name and the material itself is aluminium. Try learning a little chemistry before you speak about things.
>
><sigh> No, Tom, he did not pronounce it as "aluminium." His
>mispronunciation was different.
>
>And no, Tom, "aluminum" is not a trade name. See
>https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/aluminum-vs-aluminium
>Quit inventing facts in your attempts to look intelligent. It's not working.
>
>Finally, your statement "... in case your unaware of it ..." contains a
>misspelling.

Frank, be very careful in exposing Tom's delusion to the light of day,
as the saying has it, as medical chaps have commented that if an
individual exhibiting severe delusions is forced to face reality he
may "go right round the bend", as my Granny used to say,
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 13:52:31 -0800 (PST), Sir Ridesalot
<i_am_cycle_pathic@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 4:15:51 p.m. UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 11:53:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >And no, Tom, "aluminum" is not a trade name. See
>> >https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/aluminum-vs-aluminium
>> >Quit inventing facts in your attempts to look intelligent. It's not working.
>> In terms of frequency of use in books, aluminum is the more common
>> spelling:
>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=aluminum%2C+aluminium&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Caluminum%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Caluminium%3B%2Cc0>
>>
>> In terms of frequency of use on the web, aluminum is again the more
>> common spelling:
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=%22aluminum%22>
>> 443,000,000 results
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=%22aluminium%22>
>> 305,000,000 results

>That's because most computers use USA English as the default language for English. I know that when I use aluminium my computer flags it as being mispelled.
>It's like that too with words such as colour, odour, and so on.

I beg to differ. Computers, or rather operating systems, allow for
localization. I have my Windoze 10 machine configured to default to
US English but can easily switch to other languages, including UK
English:
<https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/available-language-packs-for-windows?view=windows-10>
Same with my Linux Mint and MacOS machines. I assume that UK users
would be using the UK English version, and therefore would have the
correct spelling for the region.

>Cheers to everyone and merry Christmas.

Likewise and may the next year be an improvement over the previous two
disasters.

Drivel with genuine cycling content:
"14 LEG Bike Wheel Concept"
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRmdssX9l2g> (11:31)

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 12/24/2021 3:57 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 8:53:14 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 12/23/2021 8:39 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 3:58:26 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's interesting. I can't access Forbes on this machine but I did a
>>>>> quick search and found a 2011 statement from Mr Biden regarding a
>>>>> stutter. I would not make fun of a stutterer but this wasn't that.
>>>> FWIW, one of my best engineering friends had a weird inability to
>>>> pronounce the word "aluminum." That was despite his very high
>>>> intelligence. (Note to Tom: He was a _real_ electrical engineer.) I
>>>> suppose he eventually got over that problem, or else Alcoa Corporation
>>>> decided it wasn't important. He worked there for decades until he retired.
>>>>
>>>> On a matter of similar earth shaking importance, there have been many
>>>> people posting to this forum who spell "loose" when they mean "lose."
>>>>
>>>> Oh, the humanity!
>>>
>>> I notice you couldn't tell us this horrible mispronunciation of aluminum. In case your unaware of it like the highly educated person you are, that is a trade name and the material itself is aluminium. Try learning a little chemistry before you speak about things.
>> <sigh> No, Tom, he did not pronounce it as "aluminium." His
>> mispronunciation was different.
>>
>> And no, Tom, "aluminum" is not a trade name. See
>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/aluminum-vs-aluminium
>> Quit inventing facts in your attempts to look intelligent. It's not working.
>>
>> Finally, your statement "... in case your unaware of it ..." contains a
>> misspelling.
>
> Frank, "it was different" but you don't say what it was.

I see no need to.

Damn, Tom, you never tire of arguing even microscopic points. It seems a
desperate attempt to maintain your delusions of adequacy. Give it a rest.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 12/24/2021 4:52 PM, Sir Ridesalot wrote:
> On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 4:15:51 p.m. UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Dec 2021 11:53:09 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> And no, Tom, "aluminum" is not a trade name. See
>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/aluminum-vs-aluminium
>>> Quit inventing facts in your attempts to look intelligent. It's not working.
>> In terms of frequency of use in books, aluminum is the more common
>> spelling:
>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=aluminum%2C+aluminium&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Caluminum%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Caluminium%3B%2Cc0>
>>
>> In terms of frequency of use on the web, aluminum is again the more
>> common spelling:
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=%22aluminum%22>
>> 443,000,000 results
>>
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=%22aluminium%22>
>> 305,000,000 results
>>
>> --
>> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
>> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
>> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
>> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
> That's because most computers use USA English as the default language for English. I know that when I use aluminium my computer flags it as being mispelled.
>
> It's like that too with words such as colour, odour, and so on.
>
> Cheers to everyone and merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas to you too, Sir.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, December 24, 2021 at 10:29:46 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 8:52:37 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 12/23/2021 8:26 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 12/23/2021 6:13 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:47:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 12/23/2021 5:27 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >>>> On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:11:38 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 12/23/2021 11:54 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> On 12/23/2021 5:56 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, December 22, 2021 at 8:09:35 PM UTC-5,
> > >>>>>>>>> cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> No one is going to want people like you around. You're a
> > >>>>>>>>>> Biden Butt Kisser and Frank will be so deep in depression
> > >>>>>>>>>> that he won't post for months.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> I don't recall ever posting anything about Biden, as
> > >>>>>>>>> opposed to your love letters to trump (and you call _me_
> > >>>>>>>>> gay....). I don't recall that Frank retreated into any
> > >>>>>>>>> type of shell in 2016 when that bloated orange bastard
> > >>>>>>>>> waddled into the oval office with trumpian majorities in
> > >>>>>>>>> both houses. I don't see why - should it happen again -
> > >>>>>>>>> this time would be any different.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I'll admit I was sadly disillusioned when Trump won the
> > >>>>>>>> electoral vote in 2016. I took some solace in the fact that
> > >>>>>>>> he lost the popular vote, but how could so many be convinced
> > >>>>>>>> that a reality TV star should lead the country?
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Tom has given me insight into at least one type of person
> > >>>>>>>> who adores Trump: uneducated, enraged, easily swayed by
> > >>>>>>>> propaganda, absolutely rejecting of facts and totally
> > >>>>>>>> illogical. If he's in any way typical, democracy is in bad
> > >>>>>>>> shape.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Your predisposition has led you to misread the electorate.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I would agree with that. I had a belief that there were enough
> > >>>>>> logical, rational, and thoughtful people in this country to
> > >>>>>> prevent the election of such an obviously unhinged, arrogant, and
> > >>>>>> narcissistic charlatan. Trumps election in 2016 proved me very
> > >>>>>> very wrong.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> That's a tough argument to make isn't it?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuopl-Fg9EE
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I remain unconvinced.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Well, Biden keeps saying "expodentially," even though it is not a
> > >>>> word, instead of "exponentially.""
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Trump said, "You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do
> > >>>> anything.”
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I guess the question is which do you prefer for a president?
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, yes that's right.
> > >>> And I prefer coherent policy, foibles notwithstanding.
> > >>>
> > >>> OTOH both Mr Johnson and Mr Nixon were world-class
> > >>> pottymouths and I don't know a soul who hates them both.
> > >>
> > >> I don't think it is a matter of "hate" more a matter of what sort of
> > >> chap you wish to associate with.
> > >>
> > >> As for Trump's "coherent policies" I am reminded of the so called
> > >> trade war initiated by President Trump. "Yup, we gonna teach them
> > >> Chinks who's the boss" and strangely enough the Chinese immediately
> > >> imposed an import duty on U.S. goods. which resulted in "the U.S.
> > >> having to subsidizing American farmers for up to $12 billion for their
> > >> suffering of lost export sales resulting from the president’s own
> > >> escalating tariff action." And
> > >> "Trump’s 2018 tariffs-to-date on steel, aluminum, and China have
> > >> caused the European Union and five other major trading partners to
> > >> implement retaliatory actions affecting $27 billion of US agricultural
> > >> sales to the world. Trump’s tariffs suddenly put 20 percent of total
> > >> American agricultural exports at risk."
> > >> https://www.piie.com/blogs/trade-and-investment-policy-watch/first-tariffs-then-subsidies-soybeans-illustrate-trumps
> > >>
> > >> https://theconversation.com/how-soybeans-became-chinas-most-powerful-weapon-in-trumps-trade-war-118088
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Cutting off the nose to spite the face?
> > >>
> > >
> > > I actually agree with you on that.
> > >
> > > Then again-
> > > Strong dollar, low inflation, light regulatory policies which led to
> > > record employment; that combined with a simpler flatter tax schedule
> > > greatly benefited those of modest to lower incomes. Energy
> > > independence, record energy exports, low fuel prices (benefit both
> > > industry and consumer), application of long-standing immigration law
> > > (another benefit to modest/low income Americans especially young &
> > > unskilled). On another tack, finally achieved long-promised Federal
> > > prison sentencing reform and extra bonus moving our embassy from Tel
> > > Aviv to the capital Jerusalem (as voted by a dozen Congresses since the
> > > Clinton era but never implemented despite promises).
> > Note item W in the list below:
> >
> > ========================
> >
> > Mike Sampsel
> >
> > A person asked the question, "Why are people so hostile towards
> > President Donald Trump?"
> >
> > Chris O'Leary:
> >
> > I’ll take a stab at this. Before you pass my answer off as “Another
> > Liberal Snowflake” consider that 1.) I'm an independent centrist who has
> > voted Republican way more often in my life than Democrat, and 2.) if you
> > want to call someone who spent the entire decade of his 20’s serving in
> > the Marine Corps a snowflake, I’d be ready to answer the question what
> > did you do with your 20’s?
> >
> > Why Liberals (And not-so liberals) are against President Trump.
> >
> > A.) He lies. A LOT. Politifact rates 69% of the words he speaks as
> > “Mostly False or worse” Only 17% of the things he says get a “Mostly
> > True” or better rating. That is an absolutely unbelievable number. How
> > he doesn’t speak more truth by mistake is beyond me. To put it in
> > context, Obama’s rating was 26% mostly false or worse, and I had a
> > problem with that. Many of Trump’s former business associates report
> > that he has always been a compulsive liar, but now he’s the President of
> > the United States, and that’s a problem. And this is a man who expects
> > you to believe him when he points at other people and says “They’re lying”
> >
> > B.) He’s an authoritarian populist, not a conservative. He advances
> > regressive social policy while proposing to expand federal spending and
> > federalist authority over states, both of which conservatives are
> > supposed to hate.
> >
> > C.) He pretends at Christianity to court the Religious Right but fails
> > to live anything resembling a Christ-Like Life.
> >
> > D.) His nationalist “America First” message effectively alienates us and
> > removes us from our place as leaders in the international community.
> >
> > E.) His ideas on “Keeping us safe” are all thinly veiled ideas to remove
> > our freedoms, he is, after all, an authoritarian first. They also are
> > simply bad ideas.
> >
> > F.) He couldn’t pass a 3rd-grade civics exam. He doesn't’ know what he’s
> > doing. He doesn't understand how international relations work, he
> > doesn’t understand how federal state or local governments work, and
> > every time someone tries to “Run it like a business” it’s a spectacular
> > failure. See Colorado Springs’ recent history as an example. The Short,
> > Unhappy Life of a Libertarian Paradise And that was a businessman with a
> > MUCH better business track record than Trump. We are talking about a man
> > who lost money owning a freaking gambling casino.
> >
> > G.) He behaves unethicaly and always has. As a businessman, he
> > constantly left in his wake unpaid contractors and invoices, litigation,
> > broken promises, whatever he could get away with.
> >
> > H.) He is damaging our relationships with our best international friends
> > while kissing up to nations that do not have our best interests in mind..
> > To his question “Wouldn't’ it be great to have better relations with
> > Russia?” The answer is Yes. But it is RUSSIA who needs to earn that, who
> > must stop doing the things that are damaging to that relationship, or we
> > are simply weaker for it.
> >
> > I.) He has never seen a shortcut he didn't like, and you can’t take
> > shortcuts in government. “Nuclear Option, Remove the Filibuster, I’ll
> > change the Constitution by Executive Order…Don…what happens when you
> > remove the filibuster and the other side retakes the majority in the
> > Senate? Suddenly want that filibuster back? What happens if you manage
> > to change the Constitution by Executive Order and an Anti-2A President
> > wins the next election?
> >
> > J.) He behaves and has always behaved as an unabashed racist. Yes, I’ve
> > seen your favorite meme that claims he was never accused of racism
> > before the Democrats…Absolutely false. Donald Trump’s long history of
> > racism, from the 1970s to 2019 See the Central Park 5, the lawsuits and
> > fines resulting from his refusal to lease to black tenants, the 1992
> > lost appeal trying to overturn penalties for removing black dealers from
> > tables, his remarks to the house native American affairs subcommittee in
> > 1993. The man sees and treats racial groups of people as monoliths.
> >
> > K.) He is systematically steamrolling regulations specifically designed
> > to keep a disaster like the 2007 subprime mortgage crisis from happening
> > again.
> >
> > L.) He speaks and acts like a demagogue. He sees the Legislative and
> > Judicial branches of government as inconveniences, blows up at criticism
> > no matter how deserved and actively tries to countermand constitutional
> > processes, not to mention attempts to blackmail and coerce people who
> > are saying negative things about him
> >
> > M.) His choices for top positions, with the exception of Gen. Mattis,
> > who is a gem, have been horrendous. A secretary of Education without a
> > resume that would get her hired as a small town grammar school
> > principal, A secretary of Energy who didn't know the Department of
> > Energy was responsible for nuclear reserves, an EPA head whose biggest
> > accomplishments to date had been suing the EPA on multiple occasions, an
> > FCC head who while working for Verizon actively lobbied to kill net
> > neutrality, and an Attorney General who thinks pot is “nearly as bad as
> > heroin” and asked Congress for permission to go after legal pot
> > businesses in states where it is legal. (There goes that great
> > Republican States rights rally cry again, right? *Crickets*) An Interim
> > AG after Firing his First AG who’s appointment is probably unconstitutional.
> >
> > N.) He denies scientific fact. Ever notice that the only people you hear
> > denying climate change are politicians and lobbyists? 99% of actual
> > scientists studying the issue agree that it’s real, man-made and caused
> > by greenhouse gasses. Ever notice that every big disaster movie starts
> > with a bunch of politicians in a room ignoring a scientist's warning?
> >
> > 0.) He does not have the temperament to lead this nation. He is Thin
> > Skinned, childish, and a bully, never mind misogynistic, boorish, rude,
> > and incapable of civil discourse.
> >
> > P.) He still does not understand that the words he speaks, or tweets,
> > are the official position of 1/3 of the US government, and so does not
> > govern his words. He still thinks when he speaks it’s good ol’ Donald
> > Trump. It’s not. It’s the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. You have
> > probably spread a meme or two around talking about how no president’s
> > every word has ever been dissected before…YES, THEY ALWAYS HAVE.. It’s
> > just that every other president in our lifetime has understood the
> > importance of his words and took great care to govern his speech. Trump
> > blurts out whatever comes to his mind then complains when people talk
> > about what a dumb thing that was to say.
> >
> > Q.) He’s unqualified. If you owned a small business and were looking for
> > someone to manage it, and an unnamed resume came across your desk and
> > you saw 6 bankruptcies, showing a man who had failed to make money
> > running CASINOS, would you hire him? He is a very poor businessman. This
> > is a man it has been estimated would have been worth $10 BILLION more if
> > he’d just taken what his father had given him, invested it in Index
> > Funds and left it alone.
> >
> > R.) He is President. But he refuses to take a leadership position and
> > understand that he is everyone’s President. Conservatives complain about
> > liberals chanting “Not my President” while Trump himself behaves as if
> > no one but his supporters matter.
> >
> > S.) He’s a blatant hypocrite. He spent 8 years bitching Obama out for
> > his family trips, or golfing, or any time he took for himself, and what
> > does he do? He was already on his 20th golf outing in APRIL of his 1st
> > year in office. He constantly rants about respect for the military, yet
> > can’t be bothered to attend the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day
> > because of a little rain. (And that excuse about Marine One not being
> > able to fly in the rain is HILARIOUS.)
> >
> > T.) He’s a misogynist. It's not really ok in this day and age to be a
> > misogynist, but it’s not a huge deal if you’re a private citizen. It’s a
> > pretty big deal if you hate half the people you’re elected to lead. The
> > disdain for women seeps out of his …whatever…. and he just can’t hide it.
> >
> > U.) Face it. In any other election “Grab Em’ By the Pussy” would have
> > been the end of that candidate’s chances. Back in the 90’s I used to
> > marvel about how Teflon Bill Clinton was. I no longer do. The fact that
> > he managed to slip by on that is as much a statement about how much
> > people hate Hillary Clinton as it is about what is wrong with politics
> > in this country right now.
> >
> > V.) He has one response to a differing opinion. Attack. A good leader
> > listens to criticism, to different points of view, is capable of
> > self-reflection, tries to guide people to his point of view, and when
> > necessary stands his ground and defends his convictions. Any of that
> > sound like Trump? His default is not to Lead, its’ to attack. Scorched
> > Earth. The Jim Acosta reaction is a good example. There was no defense
> > of his convictions when Acosta was asking him repeated questions about
> > his rhetoric on the caravan. His response was to attack Acosta.
> >
> > W.) He takes credit for everything positive while deflecting blame for
> > everything negative. Look at him with the Stock Market. He’s been
> > bragging about it since day one, and to give credit where credit is due,
> > speculation on coming deregulation early in his presidency did fuel some
> > rapid growth, but to pretend that it’s all him, that we’re not in the
> > 9th year of the longest bull market in history and THEN, when the
> > standard market volatility that deregulation inevitably brings about
> > starts to show up? Yeah. Look at yesterday. Hey! Stock Markets losing
> > because the Democrats won! Do I need to bring out the Stock market chart
> > for the last 10 Years again?
> >
> > X.) He emboldens the worst among us. Counter-protesters are slammed into
> > by a car while countering actual Nazi rally, and the response is there’s
> > fault on “Both Sides” The media is at fault for a nut job sending them
> > and Donald’s favorite targets pipe bombs. The truth is not all
> > Republicans, not all Trump Supporters are racist, fascist lunatics. Many
> > are just taken in by the bombastic personality and are living in an
> > information bubble made worse by the fact that they unfollow anyone and
> > ignore any source of information that makes them feel uncomfortable.
> > People on the left do that too. The Biggest problem the right has right
> > now is that the worst of the Right is the loudest and the most in your
> > face, and the actual right, especially the Freaking PRESIDENT needs to
> > be standing up and saying No. Those are not our values.
> >
> > Y.) He seems to think the Constitution of The United States, the
> > document that IS who we are, the document he took an oath to support and
> > defend is some sort of inconvenience. He demonstrates a complete lack of
> > understanding of Constitution, from believing he can alter the 14th
> > through executive order, to thinking The free exercise clause in the
> > first amendment somehow supersedes the establishment clause (not that he
> > really understands either) or that the free exercise clause only applies
> > to Christians. Or his attacks on freedom of expression and the press. He
> > repeatedly makes it clear that if he’s read them, he does not understand
> > Articles 1–3, and that’s something he really should have before he took
> > the job, because they’re not going away.
> >
> > Z.) I’ll use Z for something I do blame him for, but the rest of us have
> > to carry the blame too. Polarization. This country is more politically
> > polarized than I can remember in my lifetime. Some of you who are a few
> > years older than I may remember how it was in the late 60’s when
> > construction workers in New York were being applauded for beating up
> > hippies, I think it’s pretty close to that right now, but that was
> > before my time. And he is the cause of much of the current level
> > polarization, but also the result. It didn't’ start with Trump. We’ve
> > been going down this road I think since the eruption of the Tea Party in
> > the early years of the Obama Administration. I do hope the tide turns
> > before it gets much worse because the thing that scares me more than
> > anything is what if that keeps going the way it has been?
> A human being would be ashamed to publish so many lies but then you're Frank.