Which network is safer in terms of privacy?
The Wi-Fi or the Cellular Data network?

I don't need both on all the time.
Just one.

Which is safer in terms of privacy?

Am 10.01.24 um 03:50 schrieb Jan K.:
> Which network is safer in terms of privacy?
> The Wi-Fi or the Cellular Data network?
>
> I don't need both on all the time.
> Just one.
>
> Which is safer in terms of privacy?

It depends.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

Am 10.01.24 um 08:38 schrieb Jörg Lorenz:
> Am 10.01.24 um 03:50 schrieb Jan K.:
>> Which network is safer in terms of privacy?
>> The Wi-Fi or the Cellular Data network?
>>
>> I don't need both on all the time.
>> Just one.
>>
>> Which is safer in terms of privacy?
>
> It depends.

Why do you bother?

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
Thunderbird/45.7.1

Given these parameters it is irrelevant anyway.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:40:45 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

>>> Which is safer in terms of privacy?
>>
>> It depends.
>
> Why do you bother?
>
> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
> Thunderbird/45.7.1
>
> Given these parameters it is irrelevant anyway.

I don't know the answer but that non answer shows lack of understanding.

I'm pretty sure the question was not about Usenet, so the user agent used
is meaningless in terms of what the question is asking about networking.

Personally I think it's always safer to use a VPN on your own network
versus using a VPN on the cellular carrier's network because you know
what's logged when you use your own network (eg if you torrent a lot).

You have one fewer MITM to worry about when you use your own network.
But I'm not sure, as that's just a guess based only on your control.

The carrier's network is further out of your control, but it's also more
likely not to have a static IP address whereas your home network is likely
to have a static IP address (or at least a lease that lasts a while).

Am 10.01.24 um 10:55 schrieb Wolf Greenblatt:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:40:45 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>
>>>> Which is safer in terms of privacy?
>>>
>>> It depends.
>>
>> Why do you bother?
>>
>> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
>> Thunderbird/45.7.1
>>
>> Given these parameters it is irrelevant anyway.
>
> I don't know the answer but that non answer shows lack of understanding.

Your answer shows lack of understanding of the question in a broader
context. It is impossible to create security if OS and software are like
a Swiss Cheese.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

Am 10.01.24 um 10:55 schrieb Wolf Greenblatt:
> Personally I think it's always safer to use a VPN on your own network
> versus using a VPN on the cellular carrier's network because you know
> what's logged when you use your own network (eg if you torrent a lot).

Nobody talked about VPNs. If the OP uses them it hardly matters whether
he uses the public radio network, cable or fiber. They all use public
networks and it does not matter how the endpoint is connected to them.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:24:53 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

> Your answer shows lack of understanding of the question

I had to plonk this moron whose brain is that of a jug head.

Jan K., 2024-01-10 03:50:

> Which network is safer in terms of privacy?
> The Wi-Fi or the Cellular Data network?

Both are the same - if you are on a public network, it's not as safe as
a private network you control on your own.

So WiFi is also unsafe if it is not *your* WiFi since everybody in the
same WiFi network can see your data packets too.

Therefore if you need privacy, you should always use encrypted
connections (HTTPS, VPN to your own network etc.).

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

On 10.01.24 12:34, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:24:53 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>
>> Your answer shows lack of understanding of the question
>
> I had to plonk this moron whose brain is that of a jug head.

You did in fact not understand anything.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 06:34:02 -0500, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:24:53 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>
> > Your answer shows lack of understanding of the question
>
> I had to plonk this moron whose brain is that of a jug head.
>

Better late than never! :-)

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

Jan K. <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> wrote:
> Which network is safer in terms of privacy?
> The Wi-Fi or the Cellular Data network?

On cellular the network operator can triangulate your position.
On wifi the network operator knows you are within range of their access
point(s).

Then each carrier has the ability to profile your traffic unless you use a
VPN (your traffic is likely to be encrypted so they can't see
inside it, but they can see which servers you talk to)

On cellular you typically use one network the whole time (so one warrant to
access your location information), on wifi you likely move between multiple
locations and so networks (multiple warrants, and they have to find out
where you went first).

So the first two are equal, but wifi is more private in the sense of making
harder it work for law enforcement / the secret police / etc, if that
concerns you, because they need more warrants / to torture more shopkeepers.
On wifi it's possible the coffee shop doesn't keep logs of who did what,
but they may have security cameras that place you inside (and maybe see your
screen).

If your concern is more about tracking for ads, the wifi may leak more
information about your location to websites (eg connecting from
branch1234.starbucks.com if they know where that is) whereas typically
cellular won't expose any location-based information to the websites you
access.

Theo

Am 10.01.24 um 12:34 schrieb Wolf Greenblatt:
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:24:53 +0100, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>
>> Your answer shows lack of understanding of the question
>
> I had to plonk this moron whose brain is that of a jug head.

You are too stupid and brain dead to understand that the question of
the OP in this very general form cannot be answered the way he expects.
It is that simple.

And a lot of things written in this thread are simply stupid and
completely inadequate.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 04:55:01 -0500, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:

> Personally I think it's always safer to use a VPN on your own network
> versus using a VPN on the cellular carrier's network because you know
> what's logged when you use your own network (eg if you torrent a lot).

I have a Rasperry Pi with Pi-Hole and PiVPN installed at home, so
whenever I connect to a "strange" (open) network with my smartphone I
activate WireGuard.

--
s|b

On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 03:50:16 +0100, Jan K. wrote:

> Which network is safer in terms of privacy?
> The Wi-Fi or the Cellular Data network?
>
> I don't need both on all the time.
> Just one.
>
> Which is safer in terms of privacy?

A VPN.

--
s|b

On Mon, 15 Jan 2024 15:34:06 +0100, "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid>
wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Jan 2024 04:55:01 -0500, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
>
> I have a Rasperry Pi with Pi-Hole and PiVPN installed at home, so
> whenever I connect to a "strange" (open) network with my smartphone I
> activate WireGuard.

Same here, it's an excellent solution.
--
Kees Nuyt