AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> On 2/18/24 9:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> >> On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >> >> In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >[...]
> >> Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
> >> subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
> >> great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do?
> >> Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
> >> Micky... ;-)
> >
> > When you get cocky, it's best to actually know what did and did not
> >happen.
> >
> > This thread was *originally* crossposted to the two groups
> >(comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10) and, as the Subject: header
> >indicates ("What!? Are we supposed to pay attention to the Subject:!?
> >Get real!"), for some good/reasonable reason.
> >
> > Then there was thread drift. ("What!? 'thread drift'!? Can't happen on
> >Usenet!") The thread drift was not related to either group, so there
> >was, and is, no reason to cut the crossposts.

Non response duly noted.

> >> Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so
> >> apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning
> >> Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
> >> several times. Sure hope so... 8-O
> >
> > Now you know that your Android newsreader cuts off groups, you
> >shouldn't use it to respond to crossposted article.
>
> Aye aye sir...

I don't know why - this time - you behave the way you behave, but it's
clear you've not been following the (sub)thread(s), yet apparently still
feel the need to criticize me with bogus and rather offensive
(non-)arguments.

So no, saying "Aye aye sir..." only adds to the offense.

On 2024-02-18 17:10, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> BTW, you broke the crossposting (to alt.comp.os.windows-10), which is
> bad, because we now have seperate discussions in the two groups. I have
> re-added alt.comp.os.windows-10 in attempt to undo part of the damage.

Thanks.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2/18/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
>> On 2/18/24 9:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
>> >> On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> >> >> In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> >> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> >[...]
>> >> Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
>> >> subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
>> >> great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do?
>> >> Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
>> >> Micky... ;-)
>> >
>> > When you get cocky, it's best to actually know what did and did not
>> >happen.
>> >
>> > This thread was *originally* crossposted to the two groups
>> >(comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10) and, as the Subject: header
>> >indicates ("What!? Are we supposed to pay attention to the Subject:!?
>> >Get real!"), for some good/reasonable reason.
>> >
>> > Then there was thread drift. ("What!? 'thread drift'!? Can't happen on
>> >Usenet!") The thread drift was not related to either group, so there
>> >was, and is, no reason to cut the crossposts.
>
> Non response duly noted.
>
>> >> Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so
>> >> apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning
>> >> Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
>> >> several times. Sure hope so... 8-O
>> >
>> > Now you know that your Android newsreader cuts off groups, you
>> >shouldn't use it to respond to crossposted article.
>>
>> Aye aye sir...
>
> I don't know why - this time - you behave the way you behave, but it's
>clear you've not been following the (sub)thread(s), yet apparently still
>feel the need to criticize me with bogus and rather offensive
>(non-)arguments.
>
> So no, saying "Aye aye sir..." only adds to the offense.

You mean the offense of playing net-cop? It's not offensive to me. Even when
it has nothing to do with Android. Better than being dead. The NewsGroup I
mean...

In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
>> >In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>> Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
>> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
>> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
>> >>> Windows repairs.
>> >>
>> >> It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
>> >>crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
>> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
>> >
>> >Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
>> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
>> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
>> >topic.
>> >
>> >Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
>> >keep the ng interesting.
>>
>>
>> I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
>> monitor is much of the time.
>
> Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
>*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.

I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
just related but clearly related.

I may have once accidentally added a group in a reply a week or two ago.
I have trouble remembering the names of many groups, including both
groups to which this is posted, the android and windows group. What I
normally do rather than guess at the spelling is visit the group,
display headers, and copy the name, then go back to the unfinished post
and put the name in. A week or two ago I had 3 or maybe 4 posts almost
ready to go, and to each I added one ng name and sent them. One of them
might have been waiting for something else, not the ng name I put in, so
that would have been an unrelated posting. I figured it was no big deal
but now I apologize.

What I don't do is trim groups off a reply post in an existing thread,
because people may be reading any ng I might trim, and they will want to
see all the replies, even if they have drifted off-topic.

Also, when someone trims groups, and he trims the one I've posted from,
the one I'm reading every day, it means if I want to see his answer and
those who reply to him, I have to open and go read, in practice, all the
other, up to 3, other groups to which the post had been sent. That is a
real inconvenience, and I'm sure there are times I don't see them all or
reply even to ones that call out for a reply.

I was told by someone 20 or 30 years ago that it was improper, a
violation of netiquette, to remove groups, for these very reasons. Since
then I've occasionally complained when others do this, and I was told
it's not a violation of netiquette, so I googled, couldn't find that
rule, and stopped complaining, though I didn't change what I do or don't
do. And later I've realized that those who post via google groups can
only post to the ng they are reading, so that's also made me feel
better, and I've probably stopped noticing when it happens.

>> But I'll use this post to test out a new
>> Samsung Galaxy S9FE Android tablet (toy) for the first time on Usenet so I

AJL, don't have a tablet, not likely to do Usenet from my phone, but
what app are you using? All the formatting has been correct so it seems
to work well.

>> hope the OT cops will find it acceptable on the Android group anyway.
>> Unfortunately I don't think this Android newsreader crossposts (bug or
>> perhaps on purpose?) so you folks in the other non-Android groups may miss
>> this (gasp) OT post anyway...
>
> AFAICT, there are no "OT cops" (in comp.mobile.android)! At most
>there's *one*, but he shouts "off topic" to everything, mostly stuff
>which is perfectly on topic.
>
> BTW, you broke the crossposting (to alt.comp.os.windows-10), which is
>bad, because we now have seperate discussions in the two groups. I have
>re-added alt.comp.os.windows-10 in attempt to undo part of the damage.

Yes, good, that's for the same reason I don't trim groups. So maybe
trimming is a violation of netiquette, at least sometimes?

>
>[...]

On 2/18/24 2:33 PM, micky wrote:
>In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>>AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>>> On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
>>> >In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>>> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>> Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
>>> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
>>> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
>>> >>> Windows repairs.
>>> >>
>>> >> It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
>>> >>crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
>>> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
>>> >
>>> >Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
>>> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
>>> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
>>> >topic.
>>> >
>>> >Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
>>> >keep the ng interesting.
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
>>> monitor is much of the time.
>>
>> Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
>>*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
>
>I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
>to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
>just related but clearly related.
>
>I may have once accidentally added a group in a reply a week or two ago.
>I have trouble remembering the names of many groups, including both
>groups to which this is posted, the android and windows group. What I
>normally do rather than guess at the spelling is visit the group,
>display headers, and copy the name, then go back to the unfinished post
>and put the name in. A week or two ago I had 3 or maybe 4 posts almost
>ready to go, and to each I added one ng name and sent them. One of them
>might have been waiting for something else, not the ng name I put in, so
>that would have been an unrelated posting. I figured it was no big deal
>but now I apologize.
>
>What I don't do is trim groups off a reply post in an existing thread,
>because people may be reading any ng I might trim, and they will want to
>see all the replies, even if they have drifted off-topic.
>
>Also, when someone trims groups, and he trims the one I've posted from,
>the one I'm reading every day, it means if I want to see his answer and
>those who reply to him, I have to open and go read, in practice, all the
>other, up to 3, other groups to which the post had been sent. That is a
>real inconvenience, and I'm sure there are times I don't see them all or
>reply even to ones that call out for a reply.
>
>I was told by someone 20 or 30 years ago that it was improper, a
>violation of netiquette, to remove groups, for these very reasons. Since
>then I've occasionally complained when others do this, and I was told
>it's not a violation of netiquette, so I googled, couldn't find that
>rule, and stopped complaining, though I didn't change what I do or don't
>do. And later I've realized that those who post via google groups can
>only post to the ng they are reading, so that's also made me feel
>better, and I've probably stopped noticing when it happens.
>
>>> But I'll use this post to test out a new
>>> Samsung Galaxy S9FE Android tablet (toy) for the first time on Usenet so I

>AJL, don't have a tablet, not likely to do Usenet from my phone, but
>what app are you using? All the formatting has been correct so it seems
>to work well.

PhoNews Pro. I'm currently using it to post from a Chrome tablet. But when
I'm out and need to kill time I sometimes use it to post from my phone as
well...

>>> hope the OT cops will find it acceptable on the Android group anyway.
>>> Unfortunately I don't think this Android newsreader crossposts (bug or
>>> perhaps on purpose?) so you folks in the other non-Android groups may miss
>>> this (gasp) OT post anyway...
>>
>> AFAICT, there are no "OT cops" (in comp.mobile.android)! At most
>>there's *one*, but he shouts "off topic" to everything, mostly stuff
>>which is perfectly on topic.
>>
>> BTW, you broke the crossposting (to alt.comp.os.windows-10), which is
>>bad, because we now have seperate discussions in the two groups. I have
>>re-added alt.comp.os.windows-10 in attempt to undo part of the damage.
>
>Yes, good, that's for the same reason I don't trim groups. So maybe
>trimming is a violation of netiquette, at least sometimes?

If you missed it PhoNews doesn't crosspost which annoys some here. Since I
only monitor this one group it has never really bothered me all that much.
At least not enough to dig out my old (yuk) Windows LT...

>>
>>[...]

On 2024-02-18 23:00, AJL wrote:
> On 2/18/24 2:33 PM, micky wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

....

>> Yes, good, that's for the same reason I don't trim groups.   So maybe
>> trimming is a violation of netiquette, at least sometimes?
>
> If you missed it PhoNews doesn't crosspost which annoys some here. Since I
> only monitor this one group it has never really bothered me all that much.
> At least not enough to dig out my old (yuk) Windows LT...

It bothers those of us who are reading the thread on a different group
than you.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2/18/24 4:42 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>On 2024-02-18 23:00, AJL wrote:
>> On 2/18/24 2:33 PM, micky wrote:
>>> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>>> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>...
>
>
>>> Yes, good, that's for the same reason I don't trim groups.   So maybe
>>> trimming is a violation of netiquette, at least sometimes?
>>
>> If you missed it PhoNews doesn't crosspost which annoys some here. Since I
>> only monitor this one group it has never really bothered me all that much.
>> At least not enough to dig out my old (yuk) Windows LT...
>
>It bothers those of us who are reading the thread on a different group
>than you.

If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my
posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you
still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone
else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored.
Good luck all...

On 2024-02-19 01:35, AJL wrote:
> On 2/18/24 4:42 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-02-18 23:00, AJL wrote:
>>> On 2/18/24 2:33 PM, micky wrote:
>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>>>> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>>> Yes, good, that's for the same reason I don't trim groups.   So maybe
>>>> trimming is a violation of netiquette, at least sometimes?
>>>
>>> If you missed it PhoNews doesn't crosspost which annoys some here.
>>> Since I
>>> only monitor this one group it has never really bothered me all that
>>> much.
>>> At least not enough to dig out my old (yuk) Windows LT...
>>
>> It bothers those of us who are reading the thread on a different group
>> than you.
>
> If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my
> posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you
> still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone
> else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
> Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored.
> Good luck all...

I read both groups. And I try to read all the posts.

It is a nuisance when somebody insists on writing and breaking the tread
by posting to only one of them, forcing me to check both groups instead
of deleting one.

That you do not want to write on windows group is irrelevant, your
method is not polite.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2/18/24 6:57 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>On 2024-02-19 01:35, AJL wrote:

>> If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my
>> posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you
>> still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone
>> else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
>> Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored.
>> Good luck all...

>I read both groups. And I try to read all the posts.
>It is a nuisance when somebody insists on writing and breaking the tread
>by posting to only one of them, forcing me to check both groups instead
>of deleting one.

That makes no sense. If you already read both groups how am I forcing you to
read both groups by only posting to one?? And why would you delete a whole
group anyway since a lot of the posts there are likely NOT crossposted...

>That you do not want to write on windows group is irrelevant,

I have nothing against any group. This newsreader simply doesn't crosspost.

>your method is not polite.

I think that much of the crossposting that I see in this Android group is
what's impolite. The recent net-cop Micky bashing thread and this current
crosspost bitchfest are examples. But then I'm to blame as well for taking
the bait. However as I've often said any traffic, even your "impolite"
traffic, makes interesting reading and keeps the group alive. So carry
on...

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2024 12:42:48 -0500, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>
>Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
>longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
>first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
>Windows repairs.
>
>Tbere are 3 or 4 trolls there, T and Frank (unless they are true

To be clear, the Frank mentioned here from AHR is not Frank Slootweg. I
guess my mind is compartmentalized by ng and it didnt' even occur to me
they have the same first name (and I don't know what the other one's
last name is.)

>believers) and 1 or 2 who post occasionally, but after I read a couple
>of theirs, I don't read their posts anymore unless someone else quotes
>them, and even then only if I can't understand the post I'm reading.

AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> On 2/18/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> >> On 2/18/24 9:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> >> >> On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> >> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >[...]
> >> >> Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
> >> >> subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
> >> >> great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do?
> >> >> Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
> >> >> Micky... ;-)
> >> >
> >> > When you get cocky, it's best to actually know what did and did not
> >> >happen.
> >> >
> >> > This thread was *originally* crossposted to the two groups
> >> >(comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10) and, as the Subject: header
> >> >indicates ("What!? Are we supposed to pay attention to the Subject:!?
> >> >Get real!"), for some good/reasonable reason.
> >> >
> >> > Then there was thread drift. ("What!? 'thread drift'!? Can't happen on
> >> >Usenet!") The thread drift was not related to either group, so there
> >> >was, and is, no reason to cut the crossposts.
> >
> > Non response duly noted.
> >
> >> >> Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so
> >> >> apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning
> >> >> Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
> >> >> several times. Sure hope so... 8-O
> >> >
> >> > Now you know that your Android newsreader cuts off groups, you
> >> >shouldn't use it to respond to crossposted article.
> >>
> >> Aye aye sir...
> >
> > I don't know why - this time - you behave the way you behave, but it's
> >clear you've not been following the (sub)thread(s), yet apparently still
> >feel the need to criticize me with bogus and rather offensive
> >(non-)arguments.
> >
> > So no, saying "Aye aye sir..." only adds to the offense.
>
> You mean the offense of playing net-cop? It's not offensive to me. Even when
> it has nothing to do with Android. Better than being dead. The NewsGroup I
> mean...

Not quite. The false and rather offensive accusation of double
standards. (The playing net-cop criticism is bogus, but that's not my
main beef.)

Again, that you don't follow the thread is fine, but slinging
offensive accusations around, because you can't be bothered to backtrack
what you didn't read, is a no-no in my book.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> >> On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
> >> >In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>> Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
> >> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
> >> >>> Windows repairs.
> >> >>
> >> >> It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
> >> >>crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
> >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
> >> >
> >> >Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
> >> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
> >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
> >> >topic.
> >> >
> >> >Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
> >> >keep the ng interesting.
> >>
> >>
> >> I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
> >> monitor is much of the time.
> >
> > Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
> >*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
>
> I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
> to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
> just related but clearly related.

Sigh!

You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is
*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
related to home repair.

[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 2/18/24 6:57 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> >On 2024-02-19 01:35, AJL wrote:
>
> >> If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my
> >> posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you
> >> still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone
> >> else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
> >> Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored.
> >> Good luck all...
>
> >I read both groups. And I try to read all the posts.
> >It is a nuisance when somebody insists on writing and breaking the tread
> >by posting to only one of them, forcing me to check both groups instead
> >of deleting one.
>
> That makes no sense. If you already read both groups how am I forcing you to
> read both groups by only posting to one?? And why would you delete a whole
> group anyway since a lot of the posts there are likely NOT crossposted...

It's not that you respond, but that people respond to you, *after*
you've broken the crosspost. Those responses don't appear is the cut-off
group, creating two unconnected discussions for those people who *do*
want to follow the thread, i.e. people who are subscribed to
alt.comp.os.windows-10 are cut off from the subthread after you broke
the crosspost.

IOW, it's not about your posts, it's about *other* people's posts,
after *you* broke the crosspost.

> >That you do not want to write on windows group is irrelevant,
>
> I have nothing against any group. This newsreader simply doesn't crosspost.

So, as I said, you should stop using it to respond to crossposted
articles. (Using it to respond to articles posted to a single group is
of course fine.)

> >your method is not polite.
>
> I think that much of the crossposting that I see in this Android group is
> what's impolite.

Get a clue, will you!? The original crosspost was OK. READ the
Subject: header.

> The recent net-cop Micky bashing

Get off your uninformed high horse! There's no 'net-cop Micky
bashing'! *micky* responded to *my* comment that I filtered unrelated
crossposts to the troll-group alt.home.repair. Again you haven't read
the (sub-)thread(s), but throw around accusations.

> and this current
> crosspost bitchfest are examples.

This is only a 'bitchfest', because you keep on doing the wrong thing
(break the crosspost), against the advice of - apparently - much more
experienced Usenet users (me, Carlos).

Note that micky has said the same thing - don't break crossposts - so
by your 'logic' he's both a 'victim' (of me alleged net-cop actions)
*and* the 'enemy' (because he's against you in this 'crosspost
bitchfest').

> But then I'm to blame as well for taking
> the bait. However as I've often said any traffic, even your "impolite"
> traffic, makes interesting reading and keeps the group alive. So carry
> on...

I know you don't mind 'too much' traffic in comp.mobile.android, but
realize that your (impolite) practice (of breaking crossposts) also
results in *too little* traffic in the cut-off group.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2024 12:42:48 -0500, micky
> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
> >longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
> >first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
> >Windows repairs.
> >
> >Tbere are 3 or 4 trolls there, T and Frank (unless they are true
>
> To be clear, the Frank mentioned here from AHR is not Frank Slootweg. I
> guess my mind is compartmentalized by ng and it didnt' even occur to me
> they have the same first name (and I don't know what the other one's
> last name is.)

Thanks for the clarification (for others).

BTW, I assume the same goes for 'T' - i.e. two different T's, or do
you mean a single one (both in alt.home.repair and in
alt.comp.os.windows-10)?

> >believers) and 1 or 2 who post occasionally, but after I read a couple
> >of theirs, I don't read their posts anymore unless someone else quotes
> >them, and even then only if I can't understand the post I'm reading.

On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
>> On 2/18/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
>> >> On 2/18/24 9:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
>> >> >> On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >> >> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> >> >> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >[...]
>> >> >> Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
>> >> >> subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
>> >> >> great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do?
>> >> >> Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
>> >> >> Micky... ;-)
>> >> >
>> >> > When you get cocky, it's best to actually know what did and did not
>> >> >happen.
>> >> >
>> >> > This thread was *originally* crossposted to the two groups
>> >> >(comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10) and, as the Subject: header
>> >> >indicates ("What!? Are we supposed to pay attention to the Subject:!?
>> >> >Get real!"), for some good/reasonable reason.
>> >> >
>> >> > Then there was thread drift. ("What!? 'thread drift'!? Can't happen on
>> >> >Usenet!") The thread drift was not related to either group, so there
>> >> >was, and is, no reason to cut the crossposts.
>> >
>> > Non response duly noted.
>> >
>> >> >> Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so
>> >> >> apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning
>> >> >> Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
>> >> >> several times. Sure hope so... 8-O
>> >> >
>> >> > Now you know that your Android newsreader cuts off groups, you
>> >> >shouldn't use it to respond to crossposted article.
>> >>
>> >> Aye aye sir...
>> >
>> > I don't know why - this time - you behave the way you behave, but it's
>> >clear you've not been following the (sub)thread(s), yet apparently still
>> >feel the need to criticize me with bogus and rather offensive
>> >(non-)arguments.
>> >
>> > So no, saying "Aye aye sir..." only adds to the offense.
>>
>> You mean the offense of playing net-cop? It's not offensive to me. Even when
>> it has nothing to do with Android. Better than being dead. The NewsGroup I
>> mean...
>
> Not quite. The false and rather offensive accusation of double
>standards. (The playing net-cop criticism is bogus, but that's not my
>main beef.)

Whew. That main beef, is it well done?

> Again, that you don't follow the thread is fine, but slinging
>offensive accusations around, because you can't be bothered to backtrack
>what you didn't read, is a no-no in my book.

What does your book say about continuing this non-Android BS in the Android
group? I mean it makes interesting reading and the tit for tat is fun, but
isn't it against your long published scruples? Do as I say... ;)

On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
>> >> >In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> >> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
>> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
>> >> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
>> >> >>> Windows repairs.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
>> >> >>crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
>> >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
>> >> >
>> >> >Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
>> >> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
>> >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
>> >> >topic.
>> >> >
>> >> >Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
>> >> >keep the ng interesting.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
>> >> monitor is much of the time.
>> >
>> > Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
>> >*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
>>
>> I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
>> to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
>> just related but clearly related.
>
> Sigh!
>
> You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
>as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is
>*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
>related to home repair.
>
>[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]

Sure sounds like a net-cop to me. Or mother? Or a non-Sunday sermon? ;)

On 2/19/24 9:07 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> On 2/18/24 6:57 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> >On 2024-02-19 01:35, AJL wrote:
>>
>> >> If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my
>> >> posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you
>> >> still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone
>> >> else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
>> >> Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored.
>> >> Good luck all...
>>
>> >I read both groups. And I try to read all the posts.
>> >It is a nuisance when somebody insists on writing and breaking the tread
>> >by posting to only one of them, forcing me to check both groups instead
>> >of deleting one.
>>
>> That makes no sense. If you already read both groups how am I forcing you to
>> read both groups by only posting to one?? And why would you delete a whole
>> group anyway since a lot of the posts there are likely NOT crossposted...
>
> It's not that you respond, but that people respond to you, *after*
>you've broken the crosspost. Those responses don't appear is the cut-off
>group, creating two unconnected discussions for those people who *do*
>want to follow the thread, i.e. people who are subscribed to
>alt.comp.os.windows-10 are cut off from the subthread after you broke
>the crosspost.
>
> IOW, it's not about your posts, it's about *other* people's posts,
>after *you* broke the crosspost.
>
>> >That you do not want to write on windows group is irrelevant,
>>
>> I have nothing against any group. This newsreader simply doesn't crosspost.
>
> So, as I said, you should stop using it to respond to crossposted
>articles. (Using it to respond to articles posted to a single group is
>of course fine.)
>
>> >your method is not polite.
>>
>> I think that much of the crossposting that I see in this Android group is
>> what's impolite.
>
> Get a clue, will you!? The original crosspost was OK. READ the
>Subject: header.
>
>> The recent net-cop Micky bashing
>
> Get off your uninformed high horse! There's no 'net-cop Micky
>bashing'! *micky* responded to *my* comment that I filtered unrelated
>crossposts to the troll-group alt.home.repair. Again you haven't read
>the (sub-)thread(s), but throw around accusations.
>
>> and this current
>> crosspost bitchfest are examples.
>
> This is only a 'bitchfest', because you keep on doing the wrong thing
>(break the crosspost), against the advice of - apparently - much more
>experienced Usenet users (me, Carlos).
>
> Note that micky has said the same thing - don't break crossposts - so
>by your 'logic' he's both a 'victim' (of me alleged net-cop actions)
>*and* the 'enemy' (because he's against you in this 'crosspost
>bitchfest').
>
>> But then I'm to blame as well for taking
>> the bait. However as I've often said any traffic, even your "impolite"
>> traffic, makes interesting reading and keeps the group alive. So carry
>> on...
>
> I know you don't mind 'too much' traffic in comp.mobile.android, but
>realize that your (impolite) practice (of breaking crossposts) also
>results in *too little* traffic in the cut-off group.

Nah. Changed my mind. Sounds more like mother... ;)

But keep up the OT sermons. We need the traffic in a slow Android group...

AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> >> On 2/18/24 11:21 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> >> >> On 2/18/24 9:45 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> On 2/18/24 8:15 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >> >> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> >> >> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >[...]
> >> >> >> Gosh Frank, your current many-post, cross-posted, non-OT marked, non-Android
> >> >> >> subject mattered (in this Android group), Usenet correct use sermons are a
> >> >> >> great example of what you seem to despise. Do as I say and not as I do?
> >> >> >> Anyway, keep up the good work cause it makes the place interesting. You too
> >> >> >> Micky... ;-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > When you get cocky, it's best to actually know what did and did not
> >> >> >happen.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This thread was *originally* crossposted to the two groups
> >> >> >(comp.mobile.android,alt.comp.os.windows-10) and, as the Subject: header
> >> >> >indicates ("What!? Are we supposed to pay attention to the Subject:!?
> >> >> >Get real!"), for some good/reasonable reason.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Then there was thread drift. ("What!? 'thread drift'!? Can't happen on
> >> >> >Usenet!") The thread drift was not related to either group, so there
> >> >> >was, and is, no reason to cut the crossposts.
> >> >
> >> > Non response duly noted.
> >> >
> >> >> >> Again, this Android newsreader will probably sever the other group so
> >> >> >> apologies. On the other hand does it make my post more legal? Mentioning
> >> >> >> Android in a (gasp) Windows group? And I did mention the word Android here
> >> >> >> several times. Sure hope so... 8-O
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Now you know that your Android newsreader cuts off groups, you
> >> >> >shouldn't use it to respond to crossposted article.
> >> >>
> >> >> Aye aye sir...
> >> >
> >> > I don't know why - this time - you behave the way you behave, but it's
> >> >clear you've not been following the (sub)thread(s), yet apparently still
> >> >feel the need to criticize me with bogus and rather offensive
> >> >(non-)arguments.
> >> >
> >> > So no, saying "Aye aye sir..." only adds to the offense.
> >>
> >> You mean the offense of playing net-cop? It's not offensive to me. Even when
> >> it has nothing to do with Android. Better than being dead. The NewsGroup I
> >> mean...
> >
> > Not quite. The false and rather offensive accusation of double
> >standards. (The playing net-cop criticism is bogus, but that's not my
> >main beef.)
>
> Whew. That main beef, is it well done?

If you're trying to act like a jerk, you're doing a good job of it.

> > Again, that you don't follow the thread is fine, but slinging
> >offensive accusations around, because you can't be bothered to backtrack
> >what you didn't read, is a no-no in my book.
>
> What does your book say about continuing this non-Android BS in the Android
> group? I mean it makes interesting reading and the tit for tat is fun, but
> isn't it against your long published scruples? Do as I say... ;)

Get over yourself with "your long published scruples? Do as I say..."
offensive accusations of double standards. It's all and only in your
head, not on any actual record.

As to the first sentence: Still not reading for comprehension are we!?
The thread was/is *crossposted* and rightly so (and once crossposted,
the crosspost should not be broken). What you call "this non-Android BS
in the Android group" is - as I *said* - thread drift. Yes, thread
drift is often off-topic. OTOH, talking about Usenet practice on Usenet
is often legit.

Anyway, if you don't like the 'off-topic' stuff, take it up with those
who started the subthread(s) (and didn't mark them OT). *I* can do well
without your misinformed and misdirected claptrap.

And no, adding some smileys does *not* justify/excuse the offense/
insults.

AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> On 2/19/24 9:07 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> >> On 2/18/24 6:57 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> >> >On 2024-02-19 01:35, AJL wrote:
> >>
> >> >> If you're reading a group other than the Android group you shouldn't see my
> >> >> posts. That's likely a good thing for you. Be thankful. But somehow you
> >> >> still manage to see my posts elsewhere. So you'll have to blame someone
> >> >> else for crossposting them there. I only monitor and post in this one
> >> >> Android group so without some unwanted help I should be easily ignored.
> >> >> Good luck all...
> >>
> >> >I read both groups. And I try to read all the posts.
> >> >It is a nuisance when somebody insists on writing and breaking the tread
> >> >by posting to only one of them, forcing me to check both groups instead
> >> >of deleting one.
> >>
> >> That makes no sense. If you already read both groups how am I forcing you to
> >> read both groups by only posting to one?? And why would you delete a whole
> >> group anyway since a lot of the posts there are likely NOT crossposted...
> >
> > It's not that you respond, but that people respond to you, *after*
> >you've broken the crosspost. Those responses don't appear is the cut-off
> >group, creating two unconnected discussions for those people who *do*
> >want to follow the thread, i.e. people who are subscribed to
> >alt.comp.os.windows-10 are cut off from the subthread after you broke
> >the crosspost.
> >
> > IOW, it's not about your posts, it's about *other* people's posts,
> >after *you* broke the crosspost.
> >
> >> >That you do not want to write on windows group is irrelevant,
> >>
> >> I have nothing against any group. This newsreader simply doesn't crosspost.
> >
> > So, as I said, you should stop using it to respond to crossposted
> >articles. (Using it to respond to articles posted to a single group is
> >of course fine.)
> >
> >> >your method is not polite.
> >>
> >> I think that much of the crossposting that I see in this Android group is
> >> what's impolite.
> >
> > Get a clue, will you!? The original crosspost was OK. READ the
> >Subject: header.
> >
> >> The recent net-cop Micky bashing
> >
> > Get off your uninformed high horse! There's no 'net-cop Micky
> >bashing'! *micky* responded to *my* comment that I filtered unrelated
> >crossposts to the troll-group alt.home.repair. Again you haven't read
> >the (sub-)thread(s), but throw around accusations.
> >
> >> and this current
> >> crosspost bitchfest are examples.
> >
> > This is only a 'bitchfest', because you keep on doing the wrong thing
> >(break the crosspost), against the advice of - apparently - much more
> >experienced Usenet users (me, Carlos).
> >
> > Note that micky has said the same thing - don't break crossposts - so
> >by your 'logic' he's both a 'victim' (of me alleged net-cop actions)
> >*and* the 'enemy' (because he's against you in this 'crosspost
> >bitchfest').
> >
> >> But then I'm to blame as well for taking
> >> the bait. However as I've often said any traffic, even your "impolite"
> >> traffic, makes interesting reading and keeps the group alive. So carry
> >> on...
> >
> > I know you don't mind 'too much' traffic in comp.mobile.android, but
> >realize that your (impolite) practice (of breaking crossposts) also
> >results in *too little* traffic in the cut-off group.
>
> Nah. Changed my mind. Sounds more like mother... ;)
>
> But keep up the OT sermons. We need the traffic in a slow Android group...

Have you read anything of what I - *and others* - wrote? Did you
understand any of it?

Did you see that *micky* gave the exact same "OT sermon" on (not)
cutting crossposts?

Or were you too busy thinking of 'cute' offensive one-liners with
'cute' smileys?

AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >> >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> >> >> On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
> >> >> >In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> >> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
> >> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
> >> >> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
> >> >> >>> Windows repairs.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
> >> >> >>crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
> >> >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
> >> >> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
> >> >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
> >> >> >topic.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
> >> >> >keep the ng interesting.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
> >> >> monitor is much of the time.
> >> >
> >> > Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
> >> >*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
> >>
> >> I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
> >> to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
> >> just related but clearly related.
> >
> > Sigh!
> >
> > You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
> >as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is
> >*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
> >related to home repair.
> >
> >[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]
>
> Sure sounds like a net-cop to me. Or mother? Or a non-Sunday sermon? ;)

I see. I say that micky isn't actually doing what he claims he's doing
*AND* I commend him for his proper way of not breaking crossposts, but
that somehow magically makes me a net-cop. Rather peculiar definition of
net-cop.

On 2/19/2024 11:07 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

> Note that micky has said the same thing - don't break crossposts - so
> by your 'logic' he's both a 'victim' (of me alleged net-cop actions)
> *and* the 'enemy' (because he's against you in this 'crosspost
> bitchfest').
>

There's some reference here to USENET clients, and it's a mixed lot.
Possibly a paid client would work better, but then you'd need to
find a review somewhere, to verify it is feature-complete.

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/Z-ZUUdnkcEY

Even Thunderbird isn't feature complete, but not in a way that
affects others or the general health of threads.

Paul

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On 2/19/2024 11:07 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
> > Note that micky has said the same thing - don't break crossposts - so
> > by your 'logic' he's both a 'victim' (of me alleged net-cop actions)
> > *and* the 'enemy' (because he's against you in this 'crosspost
> > bitchfest').
>
> There's some reference here to USENET clients, and it's a mixed lot.
> Possibly a paid client would work better, but then you'd need to
> find a review somewhere, to verify it is feature-complete.
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/Z-ZUUdnkcEY
>
> Even Thunderbird isn't feature complete, but not in a way that
> affects others or the general health of threads.

<firmly sitting on hands>

On 2/19/24 12:06 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
>> On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> >> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> >> >> On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
>> >> >> >In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> >> >> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
>> >> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
>> >> >> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
>> >> >> >>> Windows repairs.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
>> >> >> >>crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
>> >> >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
>> >> >> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
>> >> >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
>> >> >> >topic.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
>> >> >> >keep the ng interesting.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
>> >> >> monitor is much of the time.
>> >> >
>> >> > Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
>> >> >*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
>> >>
>> >> I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
>> >> to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
>> >> just related but clearly related.
>> >
>> > Sigh!
>> >
>> > You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
>> >as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is
>> >*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
>> >related to home repair.
>> >
>> >[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]
>>
>> Sure sounds like a net-cop to me. Or mother? Or a non-Sunday sermon? ;)
>
> I see. I say that micky isn't actually doing what he claims he's doing
>*AND* I commend him for his proper way of not breaking crossposts, but
>that somehow magically makes me a net-cop. Rather peculiar definition of
>net-cop.

A cop is one who tells others what they do wrong. A net-cop is one who tells
others what they do wrong on useNET. You can read some of your lecturing
near the -"*including* you- quotes you provided above. If the shoe fits...
(winky removed upon request) Your turn to post OT in the Android group
cause I did my part... ;) Damn, just couldn't help it, the winky just
slipped out... 8-O

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 2/19/24 12:06 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >AJL <noemail@none.org> wrote:
> >> On 2/19/24 9:06 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >> >> In comp.mobile.android, on 18 Feb 2024 16:10:08 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> On 2/17/24 11:41 AM, micky wrote:
> >> >> >> >In comp.mobile.android, on 16 Feb 2024 18:30:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> >> >> >> ><this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> Alt.home.repair is not a troll group. It's the group I've read the
> >> >> >> >>> longest and the most, because it gave me answers on home repair. When I
> >> >> >> >>> first bought this house, home repairs were a lot more important than
> >> >> >> >>> Windows repairs.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> It *is* a troll group because many people - *including* you -
> >> >> >> >>crosspost totally unrelated posts - i.e. posts which have nothing to do
> >> >> >> >>with home repair - to alt.home.repair.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Almost all of mine and most of the others threads are marked OT, off
> >> >> >> >topic. Anyone can make a filter so they don't see off-topic posts. Even
> >> >> >> >when they are not marked OT, people can quickly see when they are off
> >> >> >> >topic.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Usenet use is decreasing and there aren't enough home repair posts to
> >> >> >> >keep the ng interesting.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I agree. I prefer most any traffic to a dead group which the Android group I
> >> >> >> monitor is much of the time.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Please note that my citicism is *not* about off-topic posts, but about
> >> >> >*crossposting* to totally unrelated groups.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm glad you brought that up. I have never started a thread that went
> >> >> to any group I didn't think was related. In practice, they were not
> >> >> just related but clearly related.
> >> >
> >> > Sigh!
> >> >
> >> > You *frequently* crosspost to totally unrelated groups. Specifically -
> >> >as I explained several times - your crossposting to alt.home.repair is
> >> >*nearly always* improper, because your topic is not even remotely
> >> >related to home repair.
> >> >
> >> >[Details of practice of not stripping groups - which is GOOD - deleted.]
> >>
> >> Sure sounds like a net-cop to me. Or mother? Or a non-Sunday sermon? ;)
> >
> > I see. I say that micky isn't actually doing what he claims he's doing
> >*AND* I commend him for his proper way of not breaking crossposts, but
> >that somehow magically makes me a net-cop. Rather peculiar definition of
> >net-cop.
>
> A cop is one who tells others what they do wrong. A net-cop is one who tells
> others what they do wrong on useNET. You can read some of your lecturing
> near the -"*including* you- quotes you provided above. If the shoe fits...
> (winky removed upon request) Your turn to post OT in the Android group
> cause I did my part... ;) Damn, just couldn't help it, the winky just
> slipped out... 8-O

Exactly *which* part of the "*AND*" bit did you miss / not understand!?

Sure, a 'cop' *might* 'correct' and commend in the same exchange, but
that's not very likely, is it!?

But I get it, any time anyone says something 'negative' and something
positive, (s)he's a 'cop'.

From now on, only positive feedback on these groups or you'll face the
wrath of AJL, or worse, his 'humour'.

I think were done. Agreed? I'm a net-cop. You act like a jerk. News at
eleven.

On 2/19/24 12:59 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote

>a 'cop' *might* 'correct' and commend in the same exchange, but
>that's not very likely, is it!?

Probably not. With 25 years on the job I found it was mostly negative
contacts.

>But I get it, any time anyone says something 'negative' and something
>positive, (s)he's a 'cop'.

I think most folks would consider a net-cop to be one who critizes other's
Usenet procedures.

>From now on, only positive feedback on these groups or you'll face the
>wrath of AJL,

Nope. No worries unless you're Frank playing net-cop.

>or worse, his 'humour'.

Now you've really hurt me.

>I think were done. Agreed?

Sounds good. I hear the folks here in the Android group already clapping.

>You act like a jerk. News at eleven.

I love you too Frank... ;)