It started bad, I got about a half mile up the road to meet the group and the saddle connection on the seat post came apart and I could only find two of the three missing pieces,

The wind had been blowing really hard all night but with dawn had dropped down to light. I went back to my home to pick up the spare bike and told everyone else to take a slight detour past my home where I'd wait for them. Well "all of them" turned out to be two others since the rest were too smart to come out in the wind.

About half way to the coffee stop the wind returned and is was like climbing a hill. One of the riders who hadn't ridden in six weeks could barely hold 8 mph into it and we were traveling cross wind!

When we got to Starbucks you couldn't go in because they didn't have sufficient personnel to man the counters! So we ordered over the drive through and WALKED through.

One of the guys who hadn't ridden had driven down and the slow guy begged a ride back. Which was just as well. After coffee the way back was directly into the wind and on our route six trees had been uprooted and knocked down.. Even cars seemed to be having a difficult time especially in one spot where a tall tree had been knocked down across two lanes in one direction. I allowed a car to pass and went entirely into the opposite lane to get around it. Finally up on a landfill that had turned downwind I was actually coasting at 13 mph without pedaling. The trail and other traffic on the bike path kept me from the 30 mph that I could easily achieve. All of the "Road Work" signs were knocked over and when I finally got across the bridge I had to ride on the road into the entrance to the Estuary bike path via the roadway which had sharp speedbumps on it. The wind was so hard that in places you could hardly do 8 mph and it felt like you were climbing a hill. I was trying not to get too far ahead of my riding partner but he was on a touring bike that was very slow.

We got involved on a main road again and had to be very careful because of the hard and gusty wind made in difficult to hold a course. Finally I got out onto the bay trail again and since the wind was coming from the opposite direction from normal the landfill blocked the worst of it off. Back onto a city street but we were among the houses and factories etc. So it wasn't nearly as bad. Made it home a full hour later than normal for 25 miles.

Now I have to order a new seatpost that will accommodate 9 mm rails.

On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 2:52:54 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> It started bad, I got about a half mile up the road to meet the group and the saddle connection on the seat post came apart and I could only find two of the three missing pieces,
>
> The wind had been blowing really hard all night but with dawn had dropped down to light. I went back to my home to pick up the spare bike and told everyone else to take a slight detour past my home where I'd wait for them. Well "all of them" turned out to be two others since the rest were too smart to come out in the wind.
>
> About half way to the coffee stop the wind returned and is was like climbing a hill. One of the riders who hadn't ridden in six weeks could barely hold 8 mph into it and we were traveling cross wind!
>
> When we got to Starbucks you couldn't go in because they didn't have sufficient personnel to man the counters! So we ordered over the drive through and WALKED through.
>
> One of the guys who hadn't ridden had driven down and the slow guy begged a ride back. Which was just as well. After coffee the way back was directly into the wind and on our route six trees had been uprooted and knocked down. Even cars seemed to be having a difficult time especially in one spot where a tall tree had been knocked down across two lanes in one direction. I allowed a car to pass and went entirely into the opposite lane to get around it. Finally up on a landfill that had turned downwind I was actually coasting at 13 mph without pedaling. The trail and other traffic on the bike path kept me from the 30 mph that I could easily achieve. All of the "Road Work" signs were knocked over and when I finally got across the bridge I had to ride on the road into the entrance to the Estuary bike path via the roadway which had sharp speedbumps on it. The wind was so hard that in places you could hardly do 8 mph and it felt like you were climbing a hill. I was trying not to get too far ahead of my riding partner but he was on a touring bike that was very slow.
>
> We got involved on a main road again and had to be very careful because of the hard and gusty wind made in difficult to hold a course. Finally I got out onto the bay trail again and since the wind was coming from the opposite direction from normal the landfill blocked the worst of it off. Back onto a city street but we were among the houses and factories etc. So it wasn't nearly as bad. Made it home a full hour later than normal for 25 miles.
>
> Now I have to order a new seatpost that will accommodate 9 mm rails.

There are several types of seatposts that will handle the 9 mm rails. The one that I had that came unscrewed and lost the lower saddle piece is this sort: https://www.ebay.com/itm/124219878306?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110018%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.COMPLISTINGS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140109102600%26meid%3D6e76d809b5454ac5b4d85a531a4d46a0%26pid%3D100041%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D30%26sd%3D332572499860%26itm%3D124219878306%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2508447%26algv%3DItemStripV101HighAdFeeWithCompV3Ranker%26brand%3DTOSEEK&_trksid=p2508447.c100041.m2061&amdata=cksum%3A1242198783066e76d809b5454ac5b4d85a531a4d46a0%7Cenc%3AAQAGAAACAMLpQVr4UreLoBO%252FzrvRIpeDZ4coQpS9W2JNuXcnEq%252BNZarAJ8gAzWgwfg0E18qsr50anvuq1I0qDkMqcq6YYfuiaZGYUI214D%252BdjjPi%252F68qGiSlWRmvpQ5MPcKDAREnF%252FUDznUyHkPgBrdw12F02LU9u7j4Uy3dUVrrgtJCo%252FN2yEaywq48%252B%252FGoPYQ%252FP%252B2X7f%252FLMlaXxk7bUfVe13iklzBGXWahvrm7u2l%252ByNCf4ypTkEoDlFVPdR%252Bcp0BMObYIWH1GjGSvk6QDgSLrCi7EpcbOE2kUa%252FY9m6h%252B%252FZcfYmSoW1kx%252B3%252BURLbzWwzZ7zYy3vwGLlAkCTqYALqOE2jnW%252Ffp7eh%252BNYFVdjAxK%252B%252FYgjWEx%252B6OEbvJ%252BaMI1DBStieFY28U589tDMR6t3U5P5xxAPX5u2hqLA2Jq8su23KnHqsIv%252B1xO9PDC%252F9tM%252BtVzvB9nzP7U4u3VJMh1bC9t065ywKHyrJurag%252B%252BUHH0YsT7TUlLhKkFgjmotjYxfABwv4XgAFSMZWFQS5sWRT5uhAv0NvIaov8fszYGzXO6QAuwB2rN7FwzAsU8Y4Y%252BK9us%252BQ2LNesSjVRnAl9XQnI1zd7exin232IsomO6e6YYP6FTPd8vde5%252BAgdXtsoFMYCTv8a1Vg1HrEsaqlcmFWYxyrX5rKE5l3SR0LT69VNqQgZUh26%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2508447

Another is the Bontrager mechanism kind like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/301987762795?hash=item464fdf926b:g:kF8AAOSwWRBh6Mbb The trouble with these is that it tends to slip and the seat angle will change and you tend to tighten them too much and the bolt eventually fractures.

There is this sort - https://www.ebay.com/itm/194731049177?hash=item2d56e000d9:g:odUAAOSwKGRh3xRC I bought one of these since it seemed as if it should work. The one I got simply WOULD NOT mount a 9 mm carbon oval rail. Perhaps they changed them since they now have a picture of a saddle with the oval rails mounted. But I screwed around with this for a full week and it wouldn't even get CLOSE to going together.

There is another kind: https://www.ebay.com/itm/121676677065?hash=item1c547ebfc9:g:a90AAOSwA4dWLDqF But I don't like those long screws after having the one come apart today.

So I settled for this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/332572499860?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=541671386104&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649 This type has full support of the seat rails. I'm not wild about that aero section but they are in the US so I only have to wait for USPS service rather than the possibly 3 month travel from China.

On 1/22/2022 5:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> It started bad, I got about a half mile up the road to meet the group and the saddle connection on the seat post came apart and I could only find two of the three missing pieces,

Wow. Yet more bike problems!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 1/22/2022 7:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/22/2022 5:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> It started bad, I got about a half mile up the road to
>> meet the group and the saddle connection on the seat post
>> came apart and I could only find two of the three missing
>> pieces,
>
> Wow. Yet more bike problems!
>
>

Everyone has bike problems.
Mine wouldn't start on Friday with minus 9F at dawn (OK, it
was actually a pilot problem not a vehicle problem). I drove
to coffee instead.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/22/2022 5:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > It started bad, I got about a half mile up the road to meet the group and the saddle connection on the seat post came apart and I could only find two of the three missing pieces,
> Wow. Yet more bike problems!

As we know Frank, you think that a 1980 steel touring bike that weighs 35 lbs is the height of reliability. Until you have to change a flat and can't lift it. You always impress people with your wonderful life that has no problems.

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 1/22/2022 7:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/22/2022 5:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> It started bad, I got about a half mile up the road to
>>> meet the group and the saddle connection on the seat post
>>> came apart and I could only find two of the three missing
>>> pieces,
>>
>> Wow. Yet more bike problems!
>>
>>
>
> Everyone has bike problems.
> Mine wouldn't start on Friday with minus 9F at dawn (OK, it
> was actually a pilot problem not a vehicle problem). I drove
> to coffee instead.
>

Similar problem here. -28C outside so hard to get out of bed. Finally
went to the kitchen and made a coffee. Went down to the basement and did a
ride in Provence.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 08:50:03 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 5:44:25 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/22/2022 5:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > It started bad, I got about a half mile up the road to meet the group and the saddle connection on the seat post came apart and I could only find two of the three missing pieces,
>> Wow. Yet more bike problems!
>
>As we know Frank, you think that a 1980 steel touring bike that weighs 35 lbs is the height of reliability. Until you have to change a flat and can't lift it. You always impress people with your wonderful life that has no problems.

Goodness Tommy. you consider 35 lbs too heavy to lift? I can pickup
any of my steel frame bikes with one hand.

Jeeze, Tommy, you better stop going around threatening people if you
are so puny that you can't pick up a 35 pound bike.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2022-01-23, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> On 1/22/2022 7:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/22/2022 5:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> It started bad, I got about a half mile up the road to
>>> meet the group and the saddle connection on the seat post
>>> came apart and I could only find two of the three missing
>>> pieces,
>>
>> Wow. Yet more bike problems!
>>
>>
>
> Everyone has bike problems.
> Mine wouldn't start on Friday with minus 9F at dawn (OK, it
> was actually a pilot problem not a vehicle problem). I drove
> to coffee instead.
>

That probably would not have stopped Joy B!

(It'd stop me before you can blink, though.)

pH

On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 7:50:09 PM UTC-8, pH wrote:
> On 2022-01-23, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > On 1/22/2022 7:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 1/22/2022 5:52 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> It started bad, I got about a half mile up the road to
> >>> meet the group and the saddle connection on the seat post
> >>> came apart and I could only find two of the three missing
> >>> pieces,
> >>
> >> Wow. Yet more bike problems!
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Everyone has bike problems.
> > Mine wouldn't start on Friday with minus 9F at dawn (OK, it
> > was actually a pilot problem not a vehicle problem). I drove
> > to coffee instead.
> >
> That probably would not have stopped Joy B!
>
> (It'd stop me before you can blink, though.)

The west coast has been really cold this year. Most of the bay area this morning was in the high 30's unless you were right on the water and then it was in the low 40's. Even Phoenix and New Mexico has had these sorts of temperatures. It must be that global warming that is melting all of the Antartic ice - that's why all of their glaciers have been growing in one of the coldest summers on record. While NOAA is saying that this is the hottest years on record, the Arctic ice is at a 9 year high. February should bring the rain or possibly even snow to the hills around San Francisco.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 12:05:40 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:14:10 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > February should bring the rain or possibly even snow to the hills around San Francisco.
> <https://www.windy.com/-Rain-accumulation-rainAccu?rainAccu,next10d,37.632,-120.108,7>
> Nothing in the next 10 days using the ECMWF forecast model.
>
> Using the GFS model, the rain will be over a far most extensive area:
> <https://www.windy.com/-Rain-accumulation-rainAccu?gfs,rainAccu,next10d,37.632,-120.108,7,m:eIbacLs>
> with 0.7 inches in the San Leandro area.
>
> Sorry, no snow using either model:
> <https://www.windy.com/-New-snow-snowAccu?snowAccu,next10d,37.632,-120.108,7,m:eIbacLs>
> <https://www.windy.com/-New-snow-snowAccu?gfs,snowAccu,next10d,37.632,-120.108,7,m:eIbacLs>
>
> Hint: Right click anywhere and choose "show weather picker". A
> marker flag with the predicted accumulated rain or snow should appear.
> Drag the marker to your area of interest.

So, among your myriad other talents you're a weather forecaster? Lord knows that you can't read English. Apparently, to your vast English capabilities, February means "within the next 10 days", seven of which are January. Congratulations. Another demonstration of what you are. I'm surprised that fat Johnny didn't beat you to it since it requires that incredible skill of using Google

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 1:35:35 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:26:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 12:05:40 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:14:10 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > February should bring the rain or possibly even snow to the hills around San Francisco.
> >>
> >> <https://www.windy.com/-Rain-accumulation-rainAccu?rainAccu,next10d,37..632,-120.108,7>
> >> Nothing in the next 10 days using the ECMWF forecast model.
> >>
> >> Using the GFS model, the rain will be over a far most extensive area:
> >> <https://www.windy.com/-Rain-accumulation-rainAccu?gfs,rainAccu,next10d,37.632,-120.108,7,m:eIbacLs>
> >> with 0.7 inches in the San Leandro area.
> >>
> >> Sorry, no snow using either model:
> >> <https://www.windy.com/-New-snow-snowAccu?snowAccu,next10d,37.632,-120..108,7,m:eIbacLs>
> >> <https://www.windy.com/-New-snow-snowAccu?gfs,snowAccu,next10d,37.632,-120.108,7,m:eIbacLs>
> >>
> >> Hint: Right click anywhere and choose "show weather picker". A
> >> marker flag with the predicted accumulated rain or snow should appear.
> >> Drag the marker to your area of interest.
>
> >So, among your myriad other talents you're a weather forecaster?
> Nope. Just one of my interests. One of my sidelines from the 2way
> radio business was maintaining a few weather stations at mountain top
> radio sites. Various radio site and building owners paid my expenses,
> which was sufficient. I don't do that any more.
>
> These daze, I maintain a list of weather and fire related links for
> the San Lornezo Valley and parts of Santa Cruz:
> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/slv-wx-fire/SLV%20Weather%20Links..htm>
> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/slv-wx-fire/SLV%20Fire%20Links.htm>
> The page is 2 years out of date but still useful. I'll probably fix
> it before the next disaster.
> >Lord knows that you can't read English. Apparently, to your vast English
> >capabilities, February means "within the next 10 days", seven of which
> >are January.
> The Windy.com web site only offers 12hr, 24hr, 3days, 5days, and
> 10days predictions. For longer, Accuweather:
> <https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/san-leandro/94577/february-weather/337231?year=2022>
> Looks like the next rain will be Feb 13. No warranty expressed or
> implied on a prediction that far out.
> >Congratulations. Another demonstration of what you are.
> You're welcome. Your predictions had the possibility of being the
> first thing you've written which might actually be correct. You're
> probably right about the rain in February, but I have my doubts about
> the snow.
> >I'm surprised that fat Johnny didn't beat you to it since it
> >requires that incredible skill of using Google
> Do you ride you bicycle with one hand tied behind your back? That's
> what reading your postings is like without using Google to fact check
> your claims. What would you propose as a replacement for Google?
> Guessing from memory? Finding a reference in a book or magazine?
> Calling an expert on the phone and asking? Google and other online
> references may have their problems, but their success rate at getting
> things right is much better than yours. Or, maybe you want to be
> wrong, so that you can attract an audience of those willing to correct
> your errors?
>
> [ 15 mins wasted ]

So to YOU weather is "Just one of my interests. One of my sidelines from the 2way radio business was maintaining a few weather stations at mountain top radio sites. " Somehow makes you and expert on weather. And that "February" means to you, at most the next ten days of which 7 are January.

You are completely correct about "15 minutes wasted" because you will spend absolutely ANY time lying and anything at all. Have you considered lying less? That would waste a great deal less of your time.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:26:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 12:05:40 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 10:14:10 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > February should bring the rain or possibly even snow to the hills around San Francisco.
>> <https://www.windy.com/-Rain-accumulation-rainAccu?rainAccu,next10d,37.632,-120.108,7>
>> Nothing in the next 10 days using the ECMWF forecast model.
>>
>> Using the GFS model, the rain will be over a far most extensive area:
>> <https://www.windy.com/-Rain-accumulation-rainAccu?gfs,rainAccu,next10d,37.632,-120.108,7,m:eIbacLs>
>> with 0.7 inches in the San Leandro area.
>>
>> Sorry, no snow using either model:
>> <https://www.windy.com/-New-snow-snowAccu?snowAccu,next10d,37.632,-120.108,7,m:eIbacLs>
>> <https://www.windy.com/-New-snow-snowAccu?gfs,snowAccu,next10d,37.632,-120.108,7,m:eIbacLs>
>>
>> Hint: Right click anywhere and choose "show weather picker". A
>> marker flag with the predicted accumulated rain or snow should appear.
>> Drag the marker to your area of interest.
>
>So, among your myriad other talents you're a weather forecaster? Lord knows
that you can't read English. Apparently, to your vast English
capabilities, February means "within the next 10 days", seven of which
are January. Congratulations. Another demonstration of what you are.
I'm surprised that fat Johnny didn't beat you to it since it requires
that incredible skill of using Google

Goodness, Gracious! "February means "within the next 10 days"
Really?

As for "Fat Johnny" I like it. Why, I weighed 61 whole kilograms this
morning after my shower. Gee in Americanese that is what? 134.48
pounds? So, tell us what you weigh?

But, perhaps you are a "light weight" after all, all that hair on your
head that is missing must have weighed something.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 8:03:38 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:26:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>
> As for "Fat Johnny" I like it. Why, I weighed 61 whole kilograms this
> morning after my shower. Gee in Americanese that is what? 134.48
> pounds? So, tell us what you weigh?
>
> But, perhaps you are a "light weight" after all, all that hair on your
> head that is missing must have weighed something.
> --

WE've all seen pictures of tommy. His neck is pretty skinny, though I wouldn't want to call him a pencil-neck because that implies a certain intellectual capacity that he clearly does not have. One thing we do know is that his neck is too skinny to support the weight of a fully formed brain.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 8:22:41 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:59:24 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>
> >And that "February" means to you, at most the next ten
> >days of which 7 are January.
>
> Your exact statement was:
> "February should bring the rain or possibly even snow to the hills
> around San Francisco."

Wow, that idiot simply can't get out of the way of his own idiocy....

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:22:41 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:59:24 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >So to YOU weather is "Just one of my interests. One of my
> >sidelines from the 2way radio business was maintaining a
> >few weather stations at mountain top radio sites. "
> That's correct. Is there a problem with having weather reporting and
> prediction as a hobby? It's not like I charge for my services. Also,
> I forgot to mention that in the marine radio business, I also had some
> experience with marine weather reporting.
> >Somehow makes you and expert on weather.
> I never claimed to be an expert on weather forecasting and reporting.
> >And that "February" means to you, at most the next ten
> >days of which 7 are January.
> Your exact statement was:
> "February should bring the rain or possibly even snow to the hills
> around San Francisco."
> If by February, you meant the last day of February, that would be
> useless for forecasting.

Just making sure that everyone sees your logic.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:22:41 PM UTC-6, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:59:24 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >So to YOU weather is "Just one of my interests. One of my
> >sidelines from the 2way radio business was maintaining a
> >few weather stations at mountain top radio sites. "
> That's correct. Is there a problem with having weather reporting and
> prediction as a hobby? It's not like I charge for my services. Also,
> I forgot to mention that in the marine radio business, I also had some
> experience with marine weather reporting.
> >Somehow makes you and expert on weather.
> I never claimed to be an expert on weather forecasting and reporting.
> >And that "February" means to you, at most the next ten
> >days of which 7 are January.
> Your exact statement was:
> "February should bring the rain or possibly even snow to the hills
> around San Francisco."
> If by February, you meant the last day of February, that would be
> useless for forecasting. The first day was more appropriate, which is
> what I assumed. If you want to deliver a more accurate forecast, you
> might want to specify on which day in February you're talking about.
> >You are completely correct about "15 minutes wasted" because you
> >will spend absolutely ANY time lying and anything at all. Have you
> >considered lying less? That would waste a great deal less of your time.
> Could I trouble you for a specific example of where I lied? That's
> lie, as in "not the truth". Note that this will move the discussion
> from revolving around your problems, your maladies, and your
> inadequacies, and move it to revolving around me. I like being the
> center of attention. Let's talk about me for a while.
>
> Incidentally, have you considered the future implications of your
> chronic lying?
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_lying>
> One of the Ten Commandments is "thou shalt not
> bear false witness against thy neighbour"; for
> this reason, lying is generally considered a sin
> in Christianity.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dante_Inferno_Levels.png>
> 8th Circle: Fraud. Panderers and seducers,
> flatterers, sorcerers and false prophets, liars,
> thieves, and Ulysses and Diomedes.
> Do you really want to spend the rest of your after-life in the company
> of panderers, seducers, flatterers, sorcerers, false prophets, liars
> and thieves?

Not that I believe in an after life. You die, you are dead. End of story.
But, if I could spend an eternal after life in the company of pretty girls who are "seducers" and pretty girls who are "flatterers", then YES YES YES. As for the panderers, sorcerers, false prophets, liars and thieves, no thanks. Sounds a lot like Tommy, Trump, and the Republicans.

Consider recognizing the error of your ways and making
> appropriate changes before it's too late. I hear that the bouncer at
> heavens gate, takes a dim view of those who fail to obtain absolution
> on time. You could purchase some indulgences, but that's not going to
> help much when it's time to decide if you're going to heaven,
> purgatory or hell. Think about it.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 1:53:14 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:22:41 PM UTC-6, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 13:59:24 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >So to YOU weather is "Just one of my interests. One of my
> > >sidelines from the 2way radio business was maintaining a
> > >few weather stations at mountain top radio sites. "
> > That's correct. Is there a problem with having weather reporting and
> > prediction as a hobby? It's not like I charge for my services. Also,
> > I forgot to mention that in the marine radio business, I also had some
> > experience with marine weather reporting.
> > >Somehow makes you and expert on weather.
> > I never claimed to be an expert on weather forecasting and reporting.
> > >And that "February" means to you, at most the next ten
> > >days of which 7 are January.
> > Your exact statement was:
> > "February should bring the rain or possibly even snow to the hills
> > around San Francisco."
> > If by February, you meant the last day of February, that would be
> > useless for forecasting. The first day was more appropriate, which is
> > what I assumed. If you want to deliver a more accurate forecast, you
> > might want to specify on which day in February you're talking about.
> > >You are completely correct about "15 minutes wasted" because you
> > >will spend absolutely ANY time lying and anything at all. Have you
> > >considered lying less? That would waste a great deal less of your time..
> > Could I trouble you for a specific example of where I lied? That's
> > lie, as in "not the truth". Note that this will move the discussion
> > from revolving around your problems, your maladies, and your
> > inadequacies, and move it to revolving around me. I like being the
> > center of attention. Let's talk about me for a while.
> >
> > Incidentally, have you considered the future implications of your
> > chronic lying?
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_lying>
> > One of the Ten Commandments is "thou shalt not
> > bear false witness against thy neighbour"; for
> > this reason, lying is generally considered a sin
> > in Christianity.
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dante_Inferno_Levels.png>
> > 8th Circle: Fraud. Panderers and seducers,
> > flatterers, sorcerers and false prophets, liars,
> > thieves, and Ulysses and Diomedes.
> > Do you really want to spend the rest of your after-life in the company
> > of panderers, seducers, flatterers, sorcerers, false prophets, liars
> > and thieves?
> Not that I believe in an after life. You die, you are dead. End of story.
> But, if I could spend an eternal after life in the company of pretty girls who are "seducers" and pretty girls who are "flatterers", then YES YES YES. As for the panderers, sorcerers, false prophets, liars and thieves, no thanks. Sounds a lot like Tommy, Trump, and the Republicans.
> Consider recognizing the error of your ways and making

Russell, the God Principal is now considered scientific reality. So if you believe that the universe doesn't have an intelligence behind its appearance you would be the one on the side of religion and not visa versa.

They have had to come up totally unbelievable theories to get the universe to make the slightest sense. The universe is at least three times larger than the oldest guess of the age of the universe. So what do they come up with to explain that? That the speed of light didn't exist during the Big Bang.. That the Universe achieved 90% of its size in the first 92 microseconds.

Remember that you're a book keeper and not a physicist.

The Presbyterian church called a meeting to decide what to do about their squirrel infestation. After much prayer and consideration, they concluded that the squirrels were predestined to be there, and they should not interfere with God’s divine will.

At the Baptist church, the squirrels had taken an interest in the baptistry.. The deacons met and decided to put a water-slide on the baptistry and let the squirrels drown themselves. The squirrels liked the slide and, unfortunately, knew instinctively how to swim, so twice as many squirrels showed up the following week.

The Lutheran church decided that they were not in a position to harm any of God’s creatures. So, they humanely trapped their squirrels and set them free near the Baptist church. Two weeks later, the squirrels were back when the Baptists took down the water-slide.

The Episcopalians tried a much more unique path by setting out pans of whiskey around their church in an effort to kill the squirrels with alcohol poisoning. They sadly learned how much damage a band of drunk squirrels can do.

But the Catholic church came up with a more creative strategy! They baptized all the squirrels and made them members of the church. Now they only see them at Christmas and Easter.

Not much was heard from the Jewish synagogue. They took the first squirrel and circumcised him. They haven’t seen a squirrel since.

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 5:36:30 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 1:53:14 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Not that I believe in an after life. You die, you are dead. End of story.
> > But, if I could spend an eternal after life in the company of pretty girls who are "seducers" and pretty girls who are "flatterers", then YES YES YES. As for the panderers, sorcerers, false prophets, liars and thieves, no thanks. Sounds a lot like Tommy, Trump, and the Republicans.
> > Consider recognizing the error of your ways and making
> Russell, the God Principal is now considered scientific reality. So if you believe that the universe doesn't have an intelligence behind its appearance you would be the one on the side of religion and not visa versa.
>

God Principal? I will guess that you mean the concept of gods and deities. And an after life for the soul to spend eternity. OK. I presume when you wrote "visa versa" you actually meant to write vice versa. Another example of your poor writing abilities. Please proofread your comments and correct spelling errors. Another sign of a lack of education.

> They have had to come up totally unbelievable theories to get the universe to make the slightest sense. The universe is at least three times larger than the oldest guess of the age of the universe. So what do they come up with to explain that? That the speed of light didn't exist during the Big Bang. That the Universe achieved 90% of its size in the first 92 microseconds..
>
> Remember that you're a book keeper and not a physicist.
>
> The Presbyterian church called a meeting to decide what to do about their squirrel infestation. After much prayer and consideration, they concluded that the squirrels were predestined to be there, and they should not interfere with God’s divine will.
>
> At the Baptist church, the squirrels had taken an interest in the baptistry. The deacons met and decided to put a water-slide on the baptistry and let the squirrels drown themselves. The squirrels liked the slide and, unfortunately, knew instinctively how to swim, so twice as many squirrels showed up the following week.
>
> The Lutheran church decided that they were not in a position to harm any of God’s creatures. So, they humanely trapped their squirrels and set them free near the Baptist church. Two weeks later, the squirrels were back when the Baptists took down the water-slide.
>
> The Episcopalians tried a much more unique path by setting out pans of whiskey around their church in an effort to kill the squirrels with alcohol poisoning. They sadly learned how much damage a band of drunk squirrels can do.
>
> But the Catholic church came up with a more creative strategy! They baptized all the squirrels and made them members of the church. Now they only see them at Christmas and Easter.
>
> Not much was heard from the Jewish synagogue. They took the first squirrel and circumcised him. They haven’t seen a squirrel since.

Humorous story you wrote above. I do not know the philosophy espoused in the Bible about the treatment of animals. Wild animals. I know in the Christian half of the Bible it talks about loving your neighbor and being kind and feeding the homeless and such. But I don't know if the Bible is vegan or vegetarian in nature and against the raising and slaughtering of animals for food. Or killing wild animals for food either. I know Muslims are against pigs. Jews are against all animals on Friday. But I don't know if Christians are against any animals. Killing them for eating or just killing them.

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 6:36:30 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Russell, the God Principal is now considered scientific reality. So if you believe that the universe doesn't have an intelligence behind its appearance you would be the one on the side of religion and not visa versa.

Gee, I must have missed the peer reviewed white paper from anyone in the scientific community on the scientific proof of the existence of any god. Quick note: YEC and ID websites are _not_ "scientific reality". You can quote Behe, Dembski, Answers in Genesis, Evolutionnews.org, Discovery Institute, and other YEC or ID proponents all you want, the ID scam is just that - a scam. We aren't surprised tommy would fall for it - to the extent that he's now calling 'science' a 'religion', and vice versa.

> They have had to come up totally unbelievable theories to get the universe to make the slightest sense.

As believable as "god did it". At least these theories can be mathematically modeled People way smarter than me and way way way (ad infinitum) smarter than you developed these theories. Oh and may of them are actually religious.

> The universe is at least three times larger than the oldest guess of the age of the universe. So what do they come up with to explain that?

Explain how something being three times larger than it's age makes any rational sense and you might get an answer.

> That the speed of light didn't exist during the Big Bang.

Sure it did. It was different at that time. You see sparky, the expansion of the universe during the Planck Epoch was not constrained by the laws of physics as we currently know them. Quantum physics proves the laws of physics as defined by classical mechanics do not apply universally, and modeling suggests massive differences even by the current understanding of quantum theory.

> That the Universe achieved 90% of its size in the first 92 microseconds.

This is the one point in this response I had to look up. I couldn't find anything to support tommy's claim (surprise surprise) and speculations on the size of the universe as a function of time (which itself was variable at during the Planck Epoch and just after) are simply speculations. I did find the following article, written by Astrophysicist Ethan Siegel for Forbes Magazine:

"The diameter of the Milky Way is 100,000 light years; the observable Universe had this as its radius when it was approximately 3 years old"
https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/03/24/how-big-was-the-universe-at-the-moment-of-its-creation/?sh=668778aa4cea

Considering that the best guesses for the current size of the universe are 93 billion light-years, the speculation that the universe was 100,000 light years at three years old made it ~0.0001% of what it is now. Many, Many orders of magnitude different than tommy's claim that it was 90% at 92 usec.
And yes, tommy, I believe an article written by a physicist for Forbes magazine before I believe you.

> Remember that you're a book keeper and not a physicist.
And remember you're a high school dropout, and not an engineer, let alone a physicist.

Shut the fuck up tommy.

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 8:08:01 PM UTC-5, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 5:36:30 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 1:53:14 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Not that I believe in an after life. You die, you are dead. End of story.
> > > But, if I could spend an eternal after life in the company of pretty girls who are "seducers" and pretty girls who are "flatterers", then YES YES YES. As for the panderers, sorcerers, false prophets, liars and thieves, no thanks. Sounds a lot like Tommy, Trump, and the Republicans.
> > > Consider recognizing the error of your ways and making
> > Russell, the God Principal is now considered scientific reality. So if you believe that the universe doesn't have an intelligence behind its appearance you would be the one on the side of religion and not visa versa.
> >
> God Principal? I will guess that you mean the concept of gods and deities.. And an after life for the soul to spend eternity. OK. I presume when you wrote "visa versa" you actually meant to write vice versa. Another example of your poor writing abilities. Please proofread your comments and correct spelling errors. Another sign of a lack of education.
> > They have had to come up totally unbelievable theories to get the universe to make the slightest sense. The universe is at least three times larger than the oldest guess of the age of the universe. So what do they come up with to explain that? That the speed of light didn't exist during the Big Bang. That the Universe achieved 90% of its size in the first 92 microseconds.
> >
> > Remember that you're a book keeper and not a physicist.
> >
> > The Presbyterian church called a meeting to decide what to do about their squirrel infestation. After much prayer and consideration, they concluded that the squirrels were predestined to be there, and they should not interfere with God’s divine will.
> >
> > At the Baptist church, the squirrels had taken an interest in the baptistry. The deacons met and decided to put a water-slide on the baptistry and let the squirrels drown themselves. The squirrels liked the slide and, unfortunately, knew instinctively how to swim, so twice as many squirrels showed up the following week.
> >
> > The Lutheran church decided that they were not in a position to harm any of God’s creatures. So, they humanely trapped their squirrels and set them free near the Baptist church. Two weeks later, the squirrels were back when the Baptists took down the water-slide.
> >
> > The Episcopalians tried a much more unique path by setting out pans of whiskey around their church in an effort to kill the squirrels with alcohol poisoning. They sadly learned how much damage a band of drunk squirrels can do.
> >
> > But the Catholic church came up with a more creative strategy! They baptized all the squirrels and made them members of the church. Now they only see them at Christmas and Easter.
> >
> > Not much was heard from the Jewish synagogue. They took the first squirrel and circumcised him. They haven’t seen a squirrel since.
>
> Humorous story you wrote above. I do not know the philosophy espoused in the Bible about the treatment of animals. Wild animals.
> I know in the Christian half of the Bible it talks about loving your neighbor and being kind and feeding the homeless and such.
> But I don't know if the Bible is vegan or vegetarian in nature and against the raising and slaughtering of animals for food. Or killing wild animals for food either.

According to the bible, god granted man dominion over the earth and all the animals. What is meant by dominion is a matter of speculation. Some sects think it means what tommy lists as the Presbyterian and Lutheran philosophies, others - such as the screeching cunt anne coulter - think it means:
" God said so: Go forth, be fruitful, multiply, and rape the planet -- it's yours. That's our job: drilling, mining and stripping. Sweaters are the anti-Biblical view. Big gas-guzzling cars with phones and CD players and wet bars -- that's the Biblical view." https://townhall.com/columnists/anncoulter/2000/10/12/oil-good;-democrats-bad-n850347 (not only did she write that, she repeated it on an episode of Hannity and Colmes in 2001)

> Jews are against all animals on Friday.

They are? https://www.thespruceeats.com/about-jewish-sabbath-dinners-2122263

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 5:08:01 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 5:36:30 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 1:53:14 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Not that I believe in an after life. You die, you are dead. End of story.
> > > But, if I could spend an eternal after life in the company of pretty girls who are "seducers" and pretty girls who are "flatterers", then YES YES YES. As for the panderers, sorcerers, false prophets, liars and thieves, no thanks. Sounds a lot like Tommy, Trump, and the Republicans.
> > > Consider recognizing the error of your ways and making
> > Russell, the God Principal is now considered scientific reality. So if you believe that the universe doesn't have an intelligence behind its appearance you would be the one on the side of religion and not visa versa.
> >
> God Principal? I will guess that you mean the concept of gods and deities.. And an after life for the soul to spend eternity. OK. I presume when you wrote "visa versa" you actually meant to write vice versa. Another example of your poor writing abilities. Please proofread your comments and correct spelling errors. Another sign of a lack of education.
> > They have had to come up totally unbelievable theories to get the universe to make the slightest sense. The universe is at least three times larger than the oldest guess of the age of the universe. So what do they come up with to explain that? That the speed of light didn't exist during the Big Bang. That the Universe achieved 90% of its size in the first 92 microseconds.
> >
> > Remember that you're a book keeper and not a physicist.
> >
> > The Presbyterian church called a meeting to decide what to do about their squirrel infestation. After much prayer and consideration, they concluded that the squirrels were predestined to be there, and they should not interfere with God’s divine will.
> >
> > At the Baptist church, the squirrels had taken an interest in the baptistry. The deacons met and decided to put a water-slide on the baptistry and let the squirrels drown themselves. The squirrels liked the slide and, unfortunately, knew instinctively how to swim, so twice as many squirrels showed up the following week.
> >
> > The Lutheran church decided that they were not in a position to harm any of God’s creatures. So, they humanely trapped their squirrels and set them free near the Baptist church. Two weeks later, the squirrels were back when the Baptists took down the water-slide.
> >
> > The Episcopalians tried a much more unique path by setting out pans of whiskey around their church in an effort to kill the squirrels with alcohol poisoning. They sadly learned how much damage a band of drunk squirrels can do.
> >
> > But the Catholic church came up with a more creative strategy! They baptized all the squirrels and made them members of the church. Now they only see them at Christmas and Easter.
> >
> > Not much was heard from the Jewish synagogue. They took the first squirrel and circumcised him. They haven’t seen a squirrel since.
> Humorous story you wrote above. I do not know the philosophy espoused in the Bible about the treatment of animals. Wild animals. I know in the Christian half of the Bible it talks about loving your neighbor and being kind and feeding the homeless and such. But I don't know if the Bible is vegan or vegetarian in nature and against the raising and slaughtering of animals for food. Or killing wild animals for food either. I know Muslims are against pigs. Jews are against all animals on Friday. But I don't know if Christians are against any animals. Killing them for eating or just killing them.

Tell me Russell, how can you talk about the Bible without ever having read it? Only going on hearsay and pretending to be an expert on it? That is hardly the realm of a bookkeeper is it?

On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 10:59:55 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 5:08:01 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 5:36:30 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 1:53:14 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > Not that I believe in an after life. You die, you are dead. End of story.
> > > > But, if I could spend an eternal after life in the company of pretty girls who are "seducers" and pretty girls who are "flatterers", then YES YES YES. As for the panderers, sorcerers, false prophets, liars and thieves, no thanks. Sounds a lot like Tommy, Trump, and the Republicans.
> > > > Consider recognizing the error of your ways and making
> > > Russell, the God Principal is now considered scientific reality. So if you believe that the universe doesn't have an intelligence behind its appearance you would be the one on the side of religion and not visa versa.
> > >
> > God Principal? I will guess that you mean the concept of gods and deities. And an after life for the soul to spend eternity. OK. I presume when you wrote "visa versa" you actually meant to write vice versa. Another example of your poor writing abilities. Please proofread your comments and correct spelling errors. Another sign of a lack of education.
> > > They have had to come up totally unbelievable theories to get the universe to make the slightest sense. The universe is at least three times larger than the oldest guess of the age of the universe. So what do they come up with to explain that? That the speed of light didn't exist during the Big Bang. That the Universe achieved 90% of its size in the first 92 microseconds.
> > >
> > > Remember that you're a book keeper and not a physicist.
> > >
> > > The Presbyterian church called a meeting to decide what to do about their squirrel infestation. After much prayer and consideration, they concluded that the squirrels were predestined to be there, and they should not interfere with God’s divine will.
> > >
> > > At the Baptist church, the squirrels had taken an interest in the baptistry. The deacons met and decided to put a water-slide on the baptistry and let the squirrels drown themselves. The squirrels liked the slide and, unfortunately, knew instinctively how to swim, so twice as many squirrels showed up the following week.
> > >
> > > The Lutheran church decided that they were not in a position to harm any of God’s creatures. So, they humanely trapped their squirrels and set them free near the Baptist church. Two weeks later, the squirrels were back when the Baptists took down the water-slide.
> > >
> > > The Episcopalians tried a much more unique path by setting out pans of whiskey around their church in an effort to kill the squirrels with alcohol poisoning. They sadly learned how much damage a band of drunk squirrels can do.
> > >
> > > But the Catholic church came up with a more creative strategy! They baptized all the squirrels and made them members of the church. Now they only see them at Christmas and Easter.
> > >
> > > Not much was heard from the Jewish synagogue. They took the first squirrel and circumcised him. They haven’t seen a squirrel since.
> > Humorous story you wrote above. I do not know the philosophy espoused in the Bible about the treatment of animals. Wild animals. I know in the Christian half of the Bible it talks about loving your neighbor and being kind and feeding the homeless and such. But I don't know if the Bible is vegan or vegetarian in nature and against the raising and slaughtering of animals for food. Or killing wild animals for food either. I know Muslims are against pigs. Jews are against all animals on Friday. But I don't know if Christians are against any animals. Killing them for eating or just killing them..
>
> Tell me Russell, how can you talk about the Bible without ever having read it? Only going on hearsay and pretending to be an expert on it?

He didn't claim to be an expert on it, you idiot. He stated "I do not know the philosophy espoused in the Bible about the treatment of animals."

Shut the fuck up tommy

On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 6:01:29 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 6:36:30 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Russell, the God Principal is now considered scientific reality. So if you believe that the universe doesn't have an intelligence behind its appearance you would be the one on the side of religion and not visa versa.
> Gee, I must have missed the peer reviewed white paper from anyone in the scientific community on the scientific proof of the existence of any god. Quick note: YEC and ID websites are _not_ "scientific reality". You can quote Behe, Dembski, Answers in Genesis, Evolutionnews.org, Discovery Institute, and other YEC or ID proponents all you want, the ID scam is just that - a scam. We aren't surprised tommy would fall for it - to the extent that he's now calling 'science' a 'religion', and vice versa.
> > They have had to come up totally unbelievable theories to get the universe to make the slightest sense.
> As believable as "god did it". At least these theories can be mathematically modeled People way smarter than me and way way way (ad infinitum) smarter than you developed these theories. Oh and may of them are actually religious.
> > The universe is at least three times larger than the oldest guess of the age of the universe. So what do they come up with to explain that?
> Explain how something being three times larger than it's age makes any rational sense and you might get an answer.
> > That the speed of light didn't exist during the Big Bang.
> Sure it did. It was different at that time. You see sparky, the expansion of the universe during the Planck Epoch was not constrained by the laws of physics as we currently know them. Quantum physics proves the laws of physics as defined by classical mechanics do not apply universally, and modeling suggests massive differences even by the current understanding of quantum theory.
> > That the Universe achieved 90% of its size in the first 92 microseconds..
> This is the one point in this response I had to look up. I couldn't find anything to support tommy's claim (surprise surprise) and speculations on the size of the universe as a function of time (which itself was variable at during the Planck Epoch and just after) are simply speculations. I did find the following article, written by Astrophysicist Ethan Siegel for Forbes Magazine:
>
> "The diameter of the Milky Way is 100,000 light years; the observable Universe had this as its radius when it was approximately 3 years old"
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/03/24/how-big-was-the-universe-at-the-moment-of-its-creation/?sh=668778aa4cea
>
> Considering that the best guesses for the current size of the universe are 93 billion light-years, the speculation that the universe was 100,000 light years at three years old made it ~0.0001% of what it is now. Many, Many orders of magnitude different than tommy's claim that it was 90% at 92 usec..
> And yes, tommy, I believe an article written by a physicist for Forbes magazine before I believe you.
> > Remember that you're a book keeper and not a physicist.
> And remember you're a high school dropout, and not an engineer, let alone a physicist.
>
> Shut the fuck up tommy.

When you have a brain that refuses to actually look for things, it is no surprise you know nothing. When you are happy to lie about anything and everything it is not surprising you think that you know something when I'd be surprised if you can pee without wetting yourself.

https://strangenotions.com/how-contemporary-physics-points-to-god/

On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 8:04:20 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 10:59:55 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 5:08:01 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 5:36:30 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 1:53:14 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > Not that I believe in an after life. You die, you are dead. End of story.
> > > > > But, if I could spend an eternal after life in the company of pretty girls who are "seducers" and pretty girls who are "flatterers", then YES YES YES. As for the panderers, sorcerers, false prophets, liars and thieves, no thanks. Sounds a lot like Tommy, Trump, and the Republicans.
> > > > > Consider recognizing the error of your ways and making
> > > > Russell, the God Principal is now considered scientific reality. So if you believe that the universe doesn't have an intelligence behind its appearance you would be the one on the side of religion and not visa versa.
> > > >
> > > God Principal? I will guess that you mean the concept of gods and deities. And an after life for the soul to spend eternity. OK. I presume when you wrote "visa versa" you actually meant to write vice versa. Another example of your poor writing abilities. Please proofread your comments and correct spelling errors. Another sign of a lack of education.
> > > > They have had to come up totally unbelievable theories to get the universe to make the slightest sense. The universe is at least three times larger than the oldest guess of the age of the universe. So what do they come up with to explain that? That the speed of light didn't exist during the Big Bang. That the Universe achieved 90% of its size in the first 92 microseconds.
> > > >
> > > > Remember that you're a book keeper and not a physicist.
> > > >
> > > > The Presbyterian church called a meeting to decide what to do about their squirrel infestation. After much prayer and consideration, they concluded that the squirrels were predestined to be there, and they should not interfere with God’s divine will.
> > > >
> > > > At the Baptist church, the squirrels had taken an interest in the baptistry. The deacons met and decided to put a water-slide on the baptistry and let the squirrels drown themselves. The squirrels liked the slide and, unfortunately, knew instinctively how to swim, so twice as many squirrels showed up the following week.
> > > >
> > > > The Lutheran church decided that they were not in a position to harm any of God’s creatures. So, they humanely trapped their squirrels and set them free near the Baptist church. Two weeks later, the squirrels were back when the Baptists took down the water-slide.
> > > >
> > > > The Episcopalians tried a much more unique path by setting out pans of whiskey around their church in an effort to kill the squirrels with alcohol poisoning. They sadly learned how much damage a band of drunk squirrels can do.
> > > >
> > > > But the Catholic church came up with a more creative strategy! They baptized all the squirrels and made them members of the church. Now they only see them at Christmas and Easter.
> > > >
> > > > Not much was heard from the Jewish synagogue. They took the first squirrel and circumcised him. They haven’t seen a squirrel since.
> > > Humorous story you wrote above. I do not know the philosophy espoused in the Bible about the treatment of animals. Wild animals. I know in the Christian half of the Bible it talks about loving your neighbor and being kind and feeding the homeless and such. But I don't know if the Bible is vegan or vegetarian in nature and against the raising and slaughtering of animals for food. Or killing wild animals for food either. I know Muslims are against pigs. Jews are against all animals on Friday. But I don't know if Christians are against any animals. Killing them for eating or just killing them.
> >
> > Tell me Russell, how can you talk about the Bible without ever having read it? Only going on hearsay and pretending to be an expert on it?
> He didn't claim to be an expert on it, you idiot. He stated "I do not know the philosophy espoused in the Bible about the treatment of animals."
>
> Shut the fuck up tommy

Again showing your vast courage of anonymity and distance. I'm sure that you can find something else to lie about you mental midget.

On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 11:08:21 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 8:04:20 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 10:59:55 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 5:08:01 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 5:36:30 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 1:53:14 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > Not that I believe in an after life. You die, you are dead. End of story.
> > > > > > But, if I could spend an eternal after life in the company of pretty girls who are "seducers" and pretty girls who are "flatterers", then YES YES YES. As for the panderers, sorcerers, false prophets, liars and thieves, no thanks. Sounds a lot like Tommy, Trump, and the Republicans.
> > > > > > Consider recognizing the error of your ways and making
> > > > > Russell, the God Principal is now considered scientific reality. So if you believe that the universe doesn't have an intelligence behind its appearance you would be the one on the side of religion and not visa versa..
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> > > > God Principal? I will guess that you mean the concept of gods and deities. And an after life for the soul to spend eternity. OK. I presume when you wrote "visa versa" you actually meant to write vice versa. Another example of your poor writing abilities. Please proofread your comments and correct spelling errors. Another sign of a lack of education.
> > > > > They have had to come up totally unbelievable theories to get the universe to make the slightest sense. The universe is at least three times larger than the oldest guess of the age of the universe. So what do they come up with to explain that? That the speed of light didn't exist during the Big Bang. That the Universe achieved 90% of its size in the first 92 microseconds.
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> > > > > Remember that you're a book keeper and not a physicist.
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> > > > > The Presbyterian church called a meeting to decide what to do about their squirrel infestation. After much prayer and consideration, they concluded that the squirrels were predestined to be there, and they should not interfere with God’s divine will.
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> > > > > At the Baptist church, the squirrels had taken an interest in the baptistry. The deacons met and decided to put a water-slide on the baptistry and let the squirrels drown themselves. The squirrels liked the slide and, unfortunately, knew instinctively how to swim, so twice as many squirrels showed up the following week.
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> > > > > The Lutheran church decided that they were not in a position to harm any of God’s creatures. So, they humanely trapped their squirrels and set them free near the Baptist church. Two weeks later, the squirrels were back when the Baptists took down the water-slide.
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> > > > > The Episcopalians tried a much more unique path by setting out pans of whiskey around their church in an effort to kill the squirrels with alcohol poisoning. They sadly learned how much damage a band of drunk squirrels can do.
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> > > > > But the Catholic church came up with a more creative strategy! They baptized all the squirrels and made them members of the church. Now they only see them at Christmas and Easter.
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> > > > > Not much was heard from the Jewish synagogue. They took the first squirrel and circumcised him. They haven’t seen a squirrel since.
> > > > Humorous story you wrote above. I do not know the philosophy espoused in the Bible about the treatment of animals. Wild animals. I know in the Christian half of the Bible it talks about loving your neighbor and being kind and feeding the homeless and such. But I don't know if the Bible is vegan or vegetarian in nature and against the raising and slaughtering of animals for food. Or killing wild animals for food either. I know Muslims are against pigs. Jews are against all animals on Friday. But I don't know if Christians are against any animals. Killing them for eating or just killing them.
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> > > Tell me Russell, how can you talk about the Bible without ever having read it? Only going on hearsay and pretending to be an expert on it?
> > He didn't claim to be an expert on it, you idiot. He stated "I do not know the philosophy espoused in the Bible about the treatment of animals."
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> > Shut the fuck up tommy
> Again showing your vast courage of anonymity and distance. I'm sure that you can find something else to lie about you mental midget.

In other words, you claimed russell claimed he was an expert on the bible when he explicitly said he wasn't, and that makes me a liar. Nice try sparky.. Shut the fuck up.