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* custom emojisOscar Mayer
+- Re: custom emojisRalph Fox
+- Re: custom emojismicky
+* Re: custom emojisStefan Ram
|`- Re: custom emojisArno Welzel
+* Re: custom emojisStefan Ram
|`- Re: custom emojisArno Welzel
`* Re: custom emojisArno Welzel
 `* Re: custom emojisOscar Mayer
  `- Re: custom emojisArno Welzel

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 by: Oscar Mayer - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 01:59 UTC

I don't ever use emojis - so I know nothing about them
For example, can you make your own emojis?

But my wife uses emojis all the time
But she's limited by whatever the default is.

She asked me to see if I could get her new emojis
(like those the kids have on their iPhones).

Can you make your own emojis like you can your app icons?
If so, how do you add emojis to your SMS/MMS messaging app?

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 by: Ralph Fox - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 05:56 UTC

On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 20:59:11 -0500, Oscar Mayer wrote:

> I don't ever use emojis - so I know nothing about them
> For example, can you make your own emojis?
>
> But my wife uses emojis all the time
> But she's limited by whatever the default is.
>
> She asked me to see if I could get her new emojis
> (like those the kids have on their iPhones).
>
> Can you make your own emojis like you can your app icons?
> If so, how do you add emojis to your SMS/MMS messaging app?

SMS

SMS is text characters only. In SMS, emojis are characters in a font.
On Android that font might be Google's Noto Color Emoji font*, but it
could depend on her phone.
* <https://fonts.google.com/noto/specimen/Noto+Color+Emoji>

Even if you change the emoji font on her phone, she is the only one
who will see it. Other people will see only whatever is in the emoji
font on their own phones.

MMS

MMS can have both text characters and images. If she wants other
people to see her "special" emojis, they must be sent as images not
as text characters. Get (or make) a bunch of emoji images (sometimes
called "emoji stickers") and load them onto her phone. Add them as
images to the MMS (not as emoji text characters in the keyboard emoji
picker).

--
Kind regards
Ralph Fox
🦊

It's a bad cloth indeed will take no colour.

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 by: micky - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 06:47 UTC

In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 2 Mar 2024 20:59:11 -0500, Oscar Mayer
<nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:

>I don't ever use emojis - so I know nothing about them
>For example, can you make your own emojis?
>
>But my wife uses emojis all the time
>But she's limited by whatever the default is.
>
>She asked me to see if I could get her new emojis
>(like those the kids have on their iPhones).
>
>Can you make your own emojis like you can your app icons?
>If so, how do you add emojis to your SMS/MMS messaging app?

Victor Frankenstein used to make his own emojis but it didn't turn out
well.

The same problems may befall you. I warn you not to mess with creation.

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 by: Stefan Ram - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 07:11 UTC

Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote or quoted:
>Can you make your own emojis like you can your app icons?

In fact, a participant of another newsgroup I read, boasted
that his daughter wrote a kind of submission to some Unicode
entity and got her emojis into Unicode.

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 by: Stefan Ram - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 07:38 UTC

Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote or quoted:
>If so, how do you add emojis to your SMS/MMS messaging app?

In fact, one can just combine ASCII characters to
create smileys like ":-)", but also ";->" or ":=]" ...

If SMS/MMS supports embedding SVG or other image types,
it might be possible to use this to transfer custom emojis,
but it might be more complicated than to just press a key.

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 by: Arno Welzel - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 14:29 UTC

Oscar Mayer, 2024-03-03 02:59:

> I don't ever use emojis - so I know nothing about them
> For example, can you make your own emojis?

It depends in what app you use.

> But my wife uses emojis all the time
> But she's limited by whatever the default is.

Emojis are nowadays just special characters and part of the Unicode
standard, also see here:

<https://unicode.org/emoji/charts/full-emoji-list.html>

So if an app just sends messages as text, then the available Emojis are
limited to what is available in the device.

> She asked me to see if I could get her new emojis
> (like those the kids have on their iPhones).

When the kids use iMessage it is very likely, that these are "stickers"
and no emojis.

> Can you make your own emojis like you can your app icons?
> If so, how do you add emojis to your SMS/MMS messaging app?

For SMS - no, see above. For MMS it may be possible, depending on what
app you use (no, I don't know, which MMS apps support "stickers" and
other custom emoji like things).

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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 by: Arno Welzel - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 14:31 UTC

Stefan Ram, 2024-03-03 08:11:

> Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote or quoted:
>> Can you make your own emojis like you can your app icons?
>
> In fact, a participant of another newsgroup I read, boasted
> that his daughter wrote a kind of submission to some Unicode
> entity and got her emojis into Unicode.

Yes, but this takes quite long. First the Unicode entity has to accept
the submission, then a design has to be created and to all existing
fonts and finally all devices have to get this as an update to support
it. So it will take at least 6-12 months before a new emoji will be
usable on many devices.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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 by: Arno Welzel - Sun, 3 Mar 2024 14:33 UTC

Stefan Ram, 2024-03-03 08:38:

> Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote or quoted:
>> If so, how do you add emojis to your SMS/MMS messaging app?
>
> In fact, one can just combine ASCII characters to
> create smileys like ":-)", but also ";->" or ":=]" ...
>
> If SMS/MMS supports embedding SVG or other image types,

SMS is text only and MMS only embeds images but I don't know if SVG is a
supported format. Most likely only bitmaps formats are supported since
MMS is way older than the general support for SVG in browsers.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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 by: Oscar Mayer - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 06:15 UTC

On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 15:29:12 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:

>> She asked me to see if I could get her new emojis
>> (like those the kids have on their iPhones).
>
> When the kids use iMessage it is very likely, that these are "stickers"
> and no emojis.

What's the difference between a sticker and an emoji (or memoji)?

Looking that up
https://www.google.com/search?q=what%27s+the+difference+between+an+emoji+%26+a+sticker

This says stickers are the same thing as emojis other than saying
"Emoji tend to be static, while stickers can be animated."
https://najit.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Recommendations-Concerning-Digital-Communication-Using-Emoji-in-Legal-and-Medical-Interpreting-1.2022.pdf

This may have a more technical answer to the question.
https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/100496/stickers-versus-emojis-what-is-the-difference
Which says emojis are part of a standard, while stickers are not.

Seems to me they're essentially the same thing but
I started this conversation saying I don't know anything about them.

All I want to know is how to make custom "teeny tiny images" for my
wife to include into her MMS messaging app to indicate her emotions.

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 by: Arno Welzel - Mon, 4 Mar 2024 09:56 UTC

Oscar Mayer, 2024-03-04 07:15:

> On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 15:29:12 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
>
>>> She asked me to see if I could get her new emojis
>>> (like those the kids have on their iPhones).
>>
>> When the kids use iMessage it is very likely, that these are "stickers"
>> and no emojis.
>
> What's the difference between a sticker and an emoji (or memoji)?

A sticker is just some image you can add - any image.

Emojis however are usually part of a *text* you write, like this:

"I am happy :-)"

So the text ":-)" is the emoji here and if your newsreader supports
UTF-8, you may also add this as character - still no image, just a
special character which will be rendered as smiley:

"I am happy 😊"

> This says stickers are the same thing as emojis other than saying
> "Emoji tend to be static, while stickers can be animated."

Yes, this is also a difference, since stickers can also be GIF images
which can be animated. This is not the case for *characters* which are
always static.

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