As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes to make it easier to use.

For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas the 800 and 810 are touch screen..

Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me.

On 1/31/2022 11:51 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes to make it easier to use.
>
> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
>
> Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me.
>

"The crap we sold you last year is no good. Here's the new
model."

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
> to make it easier to use.
>
> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
>
> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
> perhaps enlighten me.

This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html

And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
reviews of the 810 and 800...

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html

https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html

--
Ted Heise <theise@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810. After
> using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of improvements that
> they could make in the 810 save minor changes to make it easier to use.
>
> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The Ebay
> prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see buying
> them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020 is that it
> has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I haven't used
> it in so long I can't remember how close to the others abilities it has
> but I seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas the
> 800 and 810 are touch screen.
>
> Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me.
>

1030/830/530 are the new generation so new faster processing, to counter
both Wahoo Element Bolt, very easy set up/connected to phone app, and more
recently Karoo, which is based on Android.

Really depends on what you do, for myself I use the navigation features so,
and more so older generation Garmin’s just could be painfully slow or
simply crash out.

But plenty of folks who use it just to record then a cheaper older units
are fine!

Roger Merriman.

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
> > 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
> > improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
> > to make it easier to use.
> >
> > For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> > improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
> > The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
> > can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
> > advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
> > it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
> > can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
> > seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
> > the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> >
> > Those of you with actual experience with these things could
> > perhaps enlighten me.
> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
>
> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
>
>
> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
> reviews of the 810 and 800...
>
> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
>
> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
>
> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
>

We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:04:12 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810. After
> > using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of improvements that
> > they could make in the 810 save minor changes to make it easier to use.
> >
> > For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> > improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The Ebay
> > prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see buying
> > them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020 is that it
> > has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I haven't used
> > it in so long I can't remember how close to the others abilities it has
> > but I seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas the
> > 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> >
> > Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me.
> >
> 1030/830/530 are the new generation so new faster processing, to counter
> both Wahoo Element Bolt, very easy set up/connected to phone app, and more
> recently Karoo, which is based on Android.
>
> Really depends on what you do, for myself I use the navigation features so,
> and more so older generation Garmin’s just could be painfully slow or
> simply crash out.
>
> But plenty of folks who use it just to record then a cheaper older units
> are fine!
Going down and setting the thing up again, I notice that the damned cadence and speed battery is dead yet again. Is this the normal lifespan (3 rides) or is this thing kicking the bucket? The hub mounted RPM pickup doesn't allow you to measure cadence so you could still be going through batteries a mile a minute.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:04:12 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810. After
>>> using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of improvements that
>>> they could make in the 810 save minor changes to make it easier to use.
>>>
>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The Ebay
>>> prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see buying
>>> them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020 is that it
>>> has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I haven't used
>>> it in so long I can't remember how close to the others abilities it has
>>> but I seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas the
>>> 800 and 810 are touch screen.
>>>
>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me.
>>>
>> 1030/830/530 are the new generation so new faster processing, to counter
>> both Wahoo Element Bolt, very easy set up/connected to phone app, and more
>> recently Karoo, which is based on Android.
>>
>> Really depends on what you do, for myself I use the navigation features so,
>> and more so older generation Garmin’s just could be painfully slow or
>> simply crash out.
>>
>> But plenty of folks who use it just to record then a cheaper older units
>> are fine!
> Going down and setting the thing up again, I notice that the damned
> cadence and speed battery is dead yet again. Is this the normal lifespan
> (3 rides) or is this thing kicking the bucket? The hub mounted RPM
> pickup doesn't allow you to measure cadence so you could still be going
> through batteries a mile a minute.
>

I’d assume not but I don’t use cadence or speed sensors as my main use is
navigating not performance/training.

Roger Merriman

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:15:04 PM UTC-6, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:04:12 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810. After
> >>> using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of improvements that
> >>> they could make in the 810 save minor changes to make it easier to use.
> >>>
> >>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> >>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The Ebay
> >>> prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see buying
> >>> them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020 is that it
> >>> has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I haven't used
> >>> it in so long I can't remember how close to the others abilities it has
> >>> but I seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas the
> >>> 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> >>>
> >>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me.
> >>>
> >> 1030/830/530 are the new generation so new faster processing, to counter
> >> both Wahoo Element Bolt, very easy set up/connected to phone app, and more
> >> recently Karoo, which is based on Android.
> >>
> >> Really depends on what you do, for myself I use the navigation features so,
> >> and more so older generation Garmin’s just could be painfully slow or
> >> simply crash out.
> >>
> >> But plenty of folks who use it just to record then a cheaper older units
> >> are fine!
> > Going down and setting the thing up again, I notice that the damned
> > cadence and speed battery is dead yet again. Is this the normal lifespan
> > (3 rides) or is this thing kicking the bucket? The hub mounted RPM
> > pickup doesn't allow you to measure cadence so you could still be going
> > through batteries a mile a minute.
> >
> I’d assume not but I don’t use cadence or speed sensors as my main use is
> navigating not performance/training.
>
> Roger Merriman
I have a Garmin 935 always liked Garmin and I have a 645 too but I use that for running or on the indoor trainer. I have speed sensor and the cadence sensor and they last a long time. At least 6 months on a battery and maybe closer to a year. My 645 is great for indoors just because the 935 is a bit bigger and does not have a strap. It has a mount I use on my bike when riding outside. I can say one thing Garmin is very good with customer service. They replaced my heart rate monitor with a better one after the first one went bad at almost a year. I bought a 645 that seemed to go bad after 3 months they replaced it no questions with a better Music 645 because that is all they had in stock. Finally my 935 has never gave me a problem in almost 9 months.

The accuracy of the GPS is completely accurate I have never had problems and ride the same courses that go for 50-70 miles and they are almost exact each time. THe only time they get a bit off is running around a 400 meter track. The small circle I thiink finds the distance farther than it actually is, not off huge amounts just not as consistant.
Deacon Mark

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:34:18 PM UTC-8, deaco...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:15:04 PM UTC-6, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:04:12 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810. After
> > >>> using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of improvements that
> > >>> they could make in the 810 save minor changes to make it easier to use.
> > >>>
> > >>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> > >>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The Ebay
> > >>> prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see buying
> > >>> them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020 is that it
> > >>> has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I haven't used
> > >>> it in so long I can't remember how close to the others abilities it has
> > >>> but I seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas the
> > >>> 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> > >>>
> > >>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me.
> > >>>
> > >> 1030/830/530 are the new generation so new faster processing, to counter
> > >> both Wahoo Element Bolt, very easy set up/connected to phone app, and more
> > >> recently Karoo, which is based on Android.
> > >>
> > >> Really depends on what you do, for myself I use the navigation features so,
> > >> and more so older generation Garmin’s just could be painfully slow or
> > >> simply crash out.
> > >>
> > >> But plenty of folks who use it just to record then a cheaper older units
> > >> are fine!
> > > Going down and setting the thing up again, I notice that the damned
> > > cadence and speed battery is dead yet again. Is this the normal lifespan
> > > (3 rides) or is this thing kicking the bucket? The hub mounted RPM
> > > pickup doesn't allow you to measure cadence so you could still be going
> > > through batteries a mile a minute.
> > >
> > I’d assume not but I don’t use cadence or speed sensors as my main use is
> > navigating not performance/training.
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> I have a Garmin 935 always liked Garmin and I have a 645 too but I use that for running or on the indoor trainer. I have speed sensor and the cadence sensor and they last a long time. At least 6 months on a battery and maybe closer to a year. My 645 is great for indoors just because the 935 is a bit bigger and does not have a strap. It has a mount I use on my bike when riding outside. I can say one thing Garmin is very good with customer service. They replaced my heart rate monitor with a better one after the first one went bad at almost a year. I bought a 645 that seemed to go bad after 3 months they replaced it no questions with a better Music 645 because that is all they had in stock. Finally my 935 has never gave me a problem in almost 9 months.
>
> The accuracy of the GPS is completely accurate I have never had problems and ride the same courses that go for 50-70 miles and they are almost exact each time. THe only time they get a bit off is running around a 400 meter track. The small circle I thiink finds the distance farther than it actually is, not off huge amounts just not as consistant.
> Deacon Mark

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:34:18 PM UTC-8, deaco...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:15:04 PM UTC-6, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:04:12 AM UTC-8, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810. After
> > >>> using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of improvements that
> > >>> they could make in the 810 save minor changes to make it easier to use.
> > >>>
> > >>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> > >>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The Ebay
> > >>> prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see buying
> > >>> them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020 is that it
> > >>> has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I haven't used
> > >>> it in so long I can't remember how close to the others abilities it has
> > >>> but I seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas the
> > >>> 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> > >>>
> > >>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me.
> > >>>
> > >> 1030/830/530 are the new generation so new faster processing, to counter
> > >> both Wahoo Element Bolt, very easy set up/connected to phone app, and more
> > >> recently Karoo, which is based on Android.
> > >>
> > >> Really depends on what you do, for myself I use the navigation features so,
> > >> and more so older generation Garmin’s just could be painfully slow or
> > >> simply crash out.
> > >>
> > >> But plenty of folks who use it just to record then a cheaper older units
> > >> are fine!
> > > Going down and setting the thing up again, I notice that the damned
> > > cadence and speed battery is dead yet again. Is this the normal lifespan
> > > (3 rides) or is this thing kicking the bucket? The hub mounted RPM
> > > pickup doesn't allow you to measure cadence so you could still be going
> > > through batteries a mile a minute.
> > >
> > I’d assume not but I don’t use cadence or speed sensors as my main use is
> > navigating not performance/training.
> >
> > Roger Merriman
> I have a Garmin 935 always liked Garmin and I have a 645 too but I use that for running or on the indoor trainer. I have speed sensor and the cadence sensor and they last a long time. At least 6 months on a battery and maybe closer to a year. My 645 is great for indoors just because the 935 is a bit bigger and does not have a strap. It has a mount I use on my bike when riding outside. I can say one thing Garmin is very good with customer service. They replaced my heart rate monitor with a better one after the first one went bad at almost a year. I bought a 645 that seemed to go bad after 3 months they replaced it no questions with a better Music 645 because that is all they had in stock. Finally my 935 has never gave me a problem in almost 9 months.
>
> The accuracy of the GPS is completely accurate I have never had problems and ride the same courses that go for 50-70 miles and they are almost exact each time. THe only time they get a bit off is running around a 400 meter track. The small circle I thiink finds the distance farther than it actually is, not off huge amounts just not as consistant.
> Deacon Mark
I discovered that when I hit reset and carefully realigned the pickup, that the pickup worked fine. Thanks for letting me know how long your pickup batteries last.

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:51:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes to make it easier to use.
>
> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
>
> Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me

I don’t know of a 1020. If you mean a 1030 it is not covered with buttons and has a touch screen. The key features of the 1030 is a big and higher resolution screen and the battery life. From the 810 and up the ease of use is not changed. You have to get used to it and figur out the concept. After that it is easy.

Lou

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:04:56 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:51:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes to make it easier to use.
> >
> > For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> >
> > Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me
> I don’t know of a 1020. If you mean a 1030 it is not covered with buttons and has a touch screen. The key features of the 1030 is a big and higher resolution screen and the battery life. From the 810 and up the ease of use is not changed. You have to get used to it and figure out the concept. After that it is easy. Looking at it with a magnifying glass in tiny print in says 705. I suppose that's why I got the 800 and then graduated to an 820 that turned out to be an 810. But the slip-in mount is a hell of a lot more strong than the twist mount of the 800 series,

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:11:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:04:56 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:51:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes to make it easier to use.
> > >
> > > For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> > >
> > > Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me
> > I don’t know of a 1020. If you mean a 1030 it is not covered with buttons and has a touch screen. The key features of the 1030 is a big and higher resolution screen and the battery life. From the 810 and up the ease of use is not changed. You have to get used to it and figure out the concept. After that it is easy. Looking at it with a magnifying glass in tiny print in says 705. I suppose that's why I got the 800 and then graduated to an 820 that turned out to be an 810. But the slip-in mount is a hell of a lot more strong than the twist mount of the 800 series,

That is not my experience. I broke more than one slip-in mounts with the 705 and non twist mounts with a 810 and 1030. I use the twist mounts for some 10 years now. To be fair I don't use the twist mounts with the rubber bands. Always use the machined aluminum K-edge in front mounts, but the have the same plastic inserts you can replace. Had to do that once after a crash with my cross bike in the forrest.

Lou

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:38:43 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:11:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:04:56 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:51:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes to make it easier to use.
> > > >
> > > > For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> > > >
> > > > Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me
> > > I don’t know of a 1020. If you mean a 1030 it is not covered with buttons and has a touch screen. The key features of the 1030 is a big and higher resolution screen and the battery life. From the 810 and up the ease of use is not changed. You have to get used to it and figure out the concept. After that it is easy. Looking at it with a magnifying glass in tiny print in says 705. I suppose that's why I got the 800 and then graduated to an 820 that turned out to be an 810. But the slip-in mount is a hell of a lot more strong than the twist mount of the 800 series,
> That is not my experience. I broke more than one slip-in mounts with the 705 and non twist mounts with a 810 and 1030. I use the twist mounts for some 10 years now. To be fair I don't use the twist mounts with the rubber bands. Always use the machined aluminum K-edge in front mounts, but the have the same plastic inserts you can replace. Had to do that once after a crash with my cross bike in the forrest.
>
> Lou

I used the aluminum K-edge. But I just looked up the installation procedure and it is absolutely nothing like what I originally got. The original instructions simply said to fit it over back plate where the ears had sheered off and install the screws. The latest has you sanding the Garmin plate until you have an interference fit and then gluing it on with with a (not provided) gel superglue that doesn't effect plastic ant then install the screws. I lost one of the screws taking it apart but ordered a new one yesterday so I imagine that it will contain at least the two minute screws if not a spare.

I have a Garmin arm-type mount which should add some spring to it and relieve that harsh headset mount I was using. I called up my local Garmin dealer and he will sell me a new 830 for less than a used one on Ebay

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 12:31:03 AM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:38:43 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:11:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:04:56 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:51:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810.. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes to make it easier to use.
> > > > >
> > > > > For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me
> > > > I don’t know of a 1020. If you mean a 1030 it is not covered with buttons and has a touch screen. The key features of the 1030 is a big and higher resolution screen and the battery life. From the 810 and up the ease of use is not changed. You have to get used to it and figure out the concept. After that it is easy. Looking at it with a magnifying glass in tiny print in says 705. I suppose that's why I got the 800 and then graduated to an 820 that turned out to be an 810. But the slip-in mount is a hell of a lot more strong than the twist mount of the 800 series,
> > That is not my experience. I broke more than one slip-in mounts with the 705 and non twist mounts with a 810 and 1030. I use the twist mounts for some 10 years now. To be fair I don't use the twist mounts with the rubber bands. Always use the machined aluminum K-edge in front mounts, but the have the same plastic inserts you can replace. Had to do that once after a crash with my cross bike in the forrest.
> >
> > Lou
> I used the aluminum K-edge. But I just looked up the installation procedure and it is absolutely nothing like what I originally got. The original instructions simply said to fit it over back plate where the ears had sheered off and install the screws. The latest has you sanding the Garmin plate until you have an interference fit and then gluing it on with with a (not provided) gel superglue that doesn't effect plastic ant then install the screws. I lost one of the screws taking it apart but ordered a new one yesterday so I imagine that it will contain at least the two minute screws if not a spare.
>
> I have a Garmin arm-type mount which should add some spring to it and relieve that harsh headset mount I was using. I called up my local Garmin dealer and he will sell me a new 830 for less than a used one on Ebay

You broke the mount interface on your Garmin? That is more serious. Never happened to me.
I use his mount:
https://www.rosebikes.nl/k-edge-garmin-max-xl-mount-stuurhouder-voor-garmin-edge-fietscomputer-2699591?product_shape=zwart&article_size=%C3%9831%2C8mm

Lou

Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:11:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:04:56 PM UTC-8, Lou Holtman wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 6:51:28 PM UTC+1, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin 810.
>>>> After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
>>>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes to
>>>> make it easier to use.
>>>>
>>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
>>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it? The
>>>> Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I can't see
>>>> buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The advantage of the 1020
>>>> is that it has a much stronger mount but it is covered with buttons. I
>>>> haven't used it in so long I can't remember how close to the others
>>>> abilities it has but I seem to remember that the only real change is
>>>> buttons whereas the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
>>>>
>>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could perhaps enlighten me
>>> I don’t know of a 1020. If you mean a 1030 it is not covered with
>>> buttons and has a touch screen. The key features of the 1030 is a big
>>> and higher resolution screen and the battery life. From the 810 and up
>>> the ease of use is not changed. You have to get used to it and figure
>>> out the concept. After that it is easy. Looking at it with a magnifying
>>> glass in tiny print in says 705. I suppose that's why I got the 800 and
>>> then graduated to an 820 that turned out to be an 810. But the slip-in
>>> mount is a hell of a lot more strong than the twist mount of the 800 series,
>
>
> That is not my experience. I broke more than one slip-in mounts with the
> 705 and non twist mounts with a 810 and 1030. I use the twist mounts for
> some 10 years now. To be fair I don't use the twist mounts with the
> rubber bands. Always use the machined aluminum K-edge in front mounts,
> but the have the same plastic inserts you can replace. Had to do that
> once after a crash with my cross bike in the forrest.
>
> Lou
>
I’ve used the mounts 11years+ but the twist ones mounted to the stem, never
had a issue.

As ever depends on your use I guess.

Plus they don’t get in the way of my front light.

Roger Merriman.

On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
>>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
>>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
>>> to make it easier to use.
>>>
>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
>>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
>>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
>>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
>>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
>>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
>>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
>>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
>>>
>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
>>> perhaps enlighten me.
>> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
>> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
>>
>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
>>
>>
>> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
>> reviews of the 810 and 800...
>>
>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
>>
>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
>>
>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
>>
>
> We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.

Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> >> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
> >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
> >>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
> >>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
> >>> to make it easier to use.
> >>>
> >>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> >>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
> >>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
> >>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
> >>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
> >>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
> >>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
> >>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
> >>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> >>>
> >>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
> >>> perhaps enlighten me.
> >> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
> >> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
> >>
> >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
> >>
> >>
> >> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
> >> reviews of the 810 and 800...
> >>
> >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
> >>
> >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
> >>
> >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
> >>
> >
> > We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
> Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.

I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
> > >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
> > >>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
> > >>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
> > >>> to make it easier to use.
> > >>>
> > >>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> > >>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
> > >>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
> > >>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
> > >>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
> > >>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
> > >>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
> > >>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
> > >>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> > >>>
> > >>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
> > >>> perhaps enlighten me.
> > >> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
> > >> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
> > >>
> > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
> > >> reviews of the 810 and 800...
> > >>
> > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
> > >>
> > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
> > >>
> > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
> > >>
> > >
> > > We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
> > Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
> I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.

The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.

Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation? Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason. And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:27:12 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > >> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
> > > >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
> > > >>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
> > > >>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
> > > >>> to make it easier to use.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> > > >>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
> > > >>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
> > > >>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
> > > >>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
> > > >>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
> > > >>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
> > > >>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
> > > >>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
> > > >>> perhaps enlighten me.
> > > >> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
> > > >> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
> > > >> reviews of the 810 and 800...
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
> > > Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
> > I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
> The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.
>
> Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation? Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason. And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.

So the numbers man again shows he has great difficulty with numbers. Showing altitude in meters is probably a better idea since the numbers are much smaller. Over the last 5 years I have climbed over a million feet of grades over 5%. Counting the actual climbing that a Garmin records that would be an additional 20%. Oh, wait, you can't figure out what 1.2 times a million would be.

Let's put it this way - I climbed over 3 times the height of Mt. Everest. Or is that too approximate for you now?

Why don't you tell us about your grand travels?

By the way. Although we are presently in a dry spell and Jeffy tells us that it never rains in California in February, the temperatures haven't been too different from Ohio. Lou is riding a LOT in Holland despite far worse weather than in Ohio right now.

The weather report sadly told us that for this time of year because of the dry spell we are down to only 100% of normal rainfall. That didn't stop me from finishing my 5,000 miles for the year in December. I still did 25 miles today despite 20-40mph winds that were predicted so they cut down all of the trees around the Oakland Airport.

russellseaton1@yahoo.com <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
>>>>>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
>>>>>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
>>>>>> to make it easier to use.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
>>>>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
>>>>>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
>>>>>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
>>>>>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
>>>>>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
>>>>>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
>>>>>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
>>>>>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
>>>>>> perhaps enlighten me.
>>>>> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
>>>>> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
>>>>> reviews of the 810 and 800...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
>>> Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
>> I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have
>> you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
>
> The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might
> explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At
> least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.
>
> Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and
> elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation?
> Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for
> both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are
> doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason.
> And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the
> Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that
> say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs
> saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.
>

1000 metres of climbing over 400 miles of riding (assuming they’re all out
and back rides) amounts to an average slope of 0.3%. That’s awfully flat.
Has Tom moved next door to Lou?

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 6:09:08 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:27:12 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
> > > > >> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
> > > > >> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
> > > > >>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
> > > > >>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
> > > > >>> to make it easier to use.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
> > > > >>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
> > > > >>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
> > > > >>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
> > > > >>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
> > > > >>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
> > > > >>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
> > > > >>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
> > > > >>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
> > > > >>> perhaps enlighten me.
> > > > >> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
> > > > >> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
> > > > >> reviews of the 810 and 800...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
> > > > >>
> > > > >> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
> > > > Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
> > > I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
> > The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.
> >
> > Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation? Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason. And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.
> So the numbers man again shows he has great difficulty with numbers. Showing altitude in meters is probably a better idea since the numbers are much smaller. Over the last 5 years I have climbed over a million feet of grades over 5%. Counting the actual climbing that a Garmin records that would be an additional 20%. Oh, wait, you can't figure out what 1.2 times a million would be.

Then why don't you tell us your distance in miles and altitude in YARDS? Yards and Meters are pretty darn close. And they do not intermix US standard and metric system. They are the same system. No intermixing. It is very odd for you to mix USA miles, feet, yards and Europe metric kilometers, meters, centimeters. Very bizarre.

>
> Let's put it this way - I climbed over 3 times the height of Mt. Everest. Or is that too approximate for you now?

Mt. Everest is around 28,000 feet high. So three times that is about 90,000 feet of climbing. And you wrote you climbed 1000 meters above so far this year. About 3000 feet. And you somehow think 90,000 and 3000 are somehow equal? Or comparable? What are you smoking Tommy?

>
> Why don't you tell us about your grand travels?

Probably my only GRAND travels were the summer I rode around Europe. Rome to Brussels in 1992. About 4000 miles in total over about 100 days. Great joy for me. I have ridden a week or so in Portugal and just a few miles in Spain too. That was back in 2000. Good ride. Saw cork trees after they had their bark cut off. Skinned trees. Odd sight. Ridden a few weeks in the Colorado Rockies. Good rides. Went on week long rides in Indiana, Tennessee, and North Carolina. Also good rides. And of course local week long rides in Kansas, Iowa and North Dakota. All good. I think riding for a week in a state gives you a good perspective of the state.

>
> By the way. Although we are presently in a dry spell and Jeffy tells us that it never rains in California in February, the temperatures haven't been too different from Ohio. Lou is riding a LOT in Holland despite far worse weather than in Ohio right now.

Tommy, are you sky high on crack right now? Using that evil Google on the internet, it says San Francisco, where you live is going to have highs in the low 60s for the next ten days. And lows in the 40s. And Cleveland Ohio where Frank is close to, is going to have highs in the next ten days in the 40s, 30s, 20s, and teens. And lows in the 30s, 20s, teens, and single digits. And its going to snow in Cleveland in the next day or two. Now I know Trump is your idle. But I think even Trump would not make up a lie like that claiming the Bay area and Ohio are having similar weather right now. I think you might have jumped off the edge of the Grand Canyon with this whopper. Do you really believe 60 degrees is the same as 18 degrees and snow?

For fun I used Google to look up the weather for Amsterdam. Next ten days call for highs of upper 40s Fahrenheit and lows of low 40s. Lot of rain too. So while Amsterdam is rideable for the next ten days temperature wise, it might not be pleasant if its cool and raining. I would give Lou a pass on riding for the next week if he wants it. He can still call himself a real bicyclist if he wants too even if he does not touch his bike for the next week or so. Riding in rain when its in the 40s and 50s is not pleasant. I've done it too many times.

I doubt Jeff Lieberman on this site ever said it never rains in California. Due to your poor reading comprehension, you may have interpreted it that way. But you say there is no Covid-19 and Trump won the election. So that clearly illustrates your reading comprehension and thinking ability. Even the Atacama desert in the Andes and the Sahara, receive some moisture. It might rain only once every few centuries, but that is still not never.

>
> The weather report sadly told us that for this time of year because of the dry spell we are down to only 100% of normal rainfall. That didn't stop me from finishing my 5,000 miles for the year in December. I still did 25 miles today despite 20-40mph winds that were predicted so they cut down all of the trees around the Oakland Airport.

Not sure how your daily riding mileage and wind speeds and removing trees around an airport are related. But still good to know this information.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 6:19:21 AM UTC+1, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:

> For fun I used Google to look up the weather for Amsterdam. Next ten days call for highs of upper 40s Fahrenheit and lows of low 40s. Lot of rain too. So while Amsterdam is rideable for the next ten days temperature wise, it might not be pleasant if its cool and raining. I would give Lou a pass on riding for the next week if he wants it. He can still call himself a real bicyclist if he wants too even if he does not touch his bike for the next week or so. Riding in rain when its in the 40s and 50s is not pleasant. I've done it too many times.

The weather determines what bike I take, what clothes I wear, how long I ride and mayby if I postpone a ride for 1 or 2 days. Dutch climate does allow that for me.

Lou

Am 02.02.2022 um 03:25 schrieb Ralph Barone:
> russellseaton1@yahoo.com <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:28:21 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 9:33:06 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/31/2022 2:35 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:32:11 PM UTC-5, Ted Heise wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 09:51:27 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> As I said before, I bought a Garmin 820 and received a Garmin
>>>>>>> 810. After using the 810 for awhile I am wondering what sort of
>>>>>>> improvements that they could make in the 810 save minor changes
>>>>>>> to make it easier to use.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those who have used 810' and 820's or 30's - what sort of
>>>>>>> improvements have you noticed and were they actually worth it?
>>>>>>> The Ebay prices of used 830's is almost new Garmin prices and I
>>>>>>> can't see buying them when I have an 800 and a 1020. The
>>>>>>> advantage of the 1020 is that it has a much stronger mount but
>>>>>>> it is covered with buttons. I haven't used it in so long I
>>>>>>> can't remember how close to the others abilities it has but I
>>>>>>> seem to remember that the only real change is buttons whereas
>>>>>>> the 800 and 810 are touch screen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those of you with actual experience with these things could
>>>>>>> perhaps enlighten me.
>>>>>> This guy does great and in depth reviews, and here's his take on
>>>>>> the 830 (with some comparisons to the 820)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2019/04/garmin-edge-830-cycling-gps-in-depth-review.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And here are links to his brief review of the 820 and his in depth
>>>>>> reviews of the 810 and 800...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2016/07/garmin-edge-820.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2013/01/garmin-edge-810-in-depth-review.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2010/08/garmin-edge-800-in-depth-first-look.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We've shown tommy the links to DC rainmaker before. He refuses to look.
>>>> Tom does suffer lots and lots of confusion. Pity.
>>> I am over 400 miles for the year and 1000 meters of climbing. What have
>>> you don't with that razor sharp mind of yours.
>>
>> The Bay area has much better January weather than Ohio. That might
>> explain any distance difference between residents of those places. At
>> least explain it to a logical thinking person with an operating mind.
>>
>> Tommy boy, I find it slightly odd that you mix up your distances and
>> elevation. Why do you use miles for distance and meters for elevation?
>> Why not use USA standard imperial measurements for both? Or metric for
>> both? Why mix them up? Is there a logical (HaHaHoHo) reason you are
>> doing this? I know you are deeply rooted to Oakland for some reason.
>> And have never ever traveled. But if you ventured as far away as say the
>> Rocky Mountains, Colorado, you would find signs alongside the road that
>> say miles to the next town AND at the top of mountains, there are signs
>> saying how many FEET high the mountain top is.
>>
>
> 1000 metres of climbing over 400 miles of riding (assuming they’re all out
> and back rides) amounts to an average slope of 0.3%. That’s awfully flat.
> Has Tom moved next door to Lou?

I am now thinking that 'really flat' is 2m per km or 10 ft per mile. On
those riedes, the Garmin typically suggests GPS-based climb is 50%
higher, and Strava corrects the climb map based. This kind of climb is
necessaray to cross a few highways or railway lines in suburbia, rather
than due to landscape features.
Maybe Tom has spent his time cycling along the coast line?

On 2/2/2022 2:11 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 6:19:21 AM UTC+1, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> For fun I used Google to look up the weather for Amsterdam. Next ten days call for highs of upper 40s Fahrenheit and lows of low 40s. Lot of rain too. So while Amsterdam is rideable for the next ten days temperature wise, it might not be pleasant if its cool and raining. I would give Lou a pass on riding for the next week if he wants it. He can still call himself a real bicyclist if he wants too even if he does not touch his bike for the next week or so. Riding in rain when its in the 40s and 50s is not pleasant. I've done it too many times.
>
> The weather determines what bike I take, what clothes I wear, how long I ride and mayby if I postpone a ride for 1 or 2 days. Dutch climate does allow that for me.
>
> Lou
>

+1
That works for me in a more extreme environment.

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