On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 10:00:54 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 5:47:45 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 2/3/2022 7:26 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 16:40:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > > > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> No, as I suggested, to Northern Idaho.
> > > >
> > > > Tom should hurry as Idaho housing prices continue to climb:
> > > > "Boise Idaho Housing Market: Prices | Trends | Forecasts 2022"
> > > > <https://www.noradarealestate.com/blog/boise-real-estate/>
> > > > "Boise was deemed the nation’s most overvalued market, where homes are
> > > > selling for 80.64 percent more than they should..."
> > > >
> > > > However, that's southern Idaho. In northern Idaho, there's Coeur
> > > > d'Alene:
> > > > <https://www.redfin.com/city/4370/ID/Coeur-d-Alene/housing-market>
> > > > "Coeur d'Alene home prices were up 25.2% compared to last year,
> > > > selling for a median price of $626K."
> > > >
> > > > Tom will probably pay cash from his growing $1.5 investment profits..
> > > > At 25%/year, on a $626,000 Coeur d'Alene home, every month Tom delays
> > > > will cost him:
> > > > $626,000 * 0.25 / 12 months = $13,000/month
> > > > Figure about 3 times that for Boise, ID.
> > > >
> > > > Nice place for cycling. It only rains 122 days/year and is below
> > > > freezing for only 3-4 months/year:
> > > > <https://www.bestplaces.net/climate/city/idaho/coeur_d%27alene>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Maybe not to your taste, but we have two very good long-term
> > > customers in Coeur d'Alene, one a former US national cycling
> > > champion.
> > The entire Olympic cycling team could come from Boise and Jeff would still paint that as the worst place on Earth.
> Greg Lemond was born in Lakewood California. A suburb in the Los Angeles area. You speak constantly how awful and horrible California is. I don't recall if you have specifically said southern California, the LA area, is particularly evil or liberal run by Democrats. Someone will have to use their better computer skills than me to look up if you specifically criticized LA or not.
> He is no more than a cripple and cannot ride a bike. So why is he posting here? There are plenty political discussion sites on Google Groups but he ignores them because with his little group here he has a majority to back him up while that doesn't exist elsewhere.
> >
> > We have lost the dozen serious bike shop owners to John, Flunky, Frank and sometimes Russell. I'm ashamed to say that I chased away Jay Beattie though I have been unable to get him to respond to email so perhaps something more dreadful occurred than my insulting him. I would rather he was insulted into leaving than some accident involving the injuries he incurred trying to ski with his son.

More of that really bright analysis. When Greg Lemond was born in sourthern California they had 2/3rds the population they have now and controlled immigration. California had Ronald Reagan and his pro-business government during the time when Lemond came to fame. The Democrats have followed the anti-business socialist bullshit that Frank loves so much and now, business are going broke everywhere in California. Hollywood hasn't made a cent in 15 years and all of the people with money have left the state for better climbs and places where hard working producers are appreciated. The streets of San Francisco are now covered in human feces and the first thing a business does before it can open is wash the entire front of their front, spray is down with Clorox and wash the GUTTERS out to the main drains. Drug addicts are literally everywhere and you can watch them shooting up where ever you look. The Tourist trade is GONE. Alcoholism is the only trade making money. The Chinese have bought up most of the commercial land, torn down almost new buildings and put up buildings twice the size or larger. They all have "For Rent" signs out in front showing that Asians don't seem to have any better sense than the Democrats. Like my UPS driver friend who watched California grow 50% during the time he was working he is sure that these buildings will all be filled.

While ignorant people like you believe that the market is growing, you don't even understand that it is only increasing with the rate of inflation.

But that's OK Russell, you can shoot yourself in the foot all that you like.. I can just ride my bike and smile at people like you. Your total lack of understanding of what is going on is truly humorous.

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 5:07:29 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:34:58 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:52:22 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > They are infinitely better than California since northern California has strong conservative local governments that Gavin Loathsome doesn't support. Locally they have even been telling us that northern California is run by the Proud Boys whoever they are though that seems to be a catchall phrase for "conservative".
> > And why would Gavin Newsom support the conservatives in northern California? Newsom is the governor of 40 million people living in California. All 40 million live in Sacramento, the Bay area, LA, and San Diego. There are only about 618 people living in northern California. Northern California doesn't really exist. Its just a fantasy land created by map makers to put some distance between San Fran and Oregon.
> >
> > Look at this population density map for California. No one lives north of Sacramento in California.
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:California_population_map.png
> Loathsome hasn't been supporting anyone but his rich campaign supporters. He will do NOTHING for Californians. He has embedded in law the mass mailings of election ballots. He increased the gas taxes twice to "fix the roads" and the ONLY roads that were repaired were in the rich neighborhoods that supported him. Even in the more conservative neighborhoods he did not repair the roads even with huge and dangerous potholes. This is you loony beliefs about the world around you.
>
> I will tell you. I don't care. I have more than enough money to be comfortable for the rest of my life. It is YOU and FRANK that are in deep shit. And you'll discover that soon enough. Since 1980 I've never made less than $125,000 a year and until getting married it all went into the investments.

$125,000 per year. OR MORE. Wow. 42 years ago if you made that kind of money you were considered the richest of the rich. Back then $100k was BIG BIG money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_income_in_the_United_States
Chart in the above link says in 1980 a white european american (I guess you fit that description?) had a median income of $13,328. So you made 9 times as much. Wow.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MEPAINUSA672N
This one by the Fed Reserve says 1980 had $23,826 Real Median Personal Income in the United States. So you were only 5 times higher.

> Until Obama caused a 62% loss of the value of my investments.

YOUR investments. I am glad you clarified that. Everyone else on earth made money when Obama was in office. All the stock markets went up up up up up up. Total, S&P 500, Nasdaq, etc. Just you lost money.

> I am nearly back to ground zero. I keep forgetting that you haters disagree that the Democrat controlled Congress increased the national debt by 1.5 trillion before Obama was elected

Tommy, are you forgetting that a REPUBLICAN president was in office before Obama got the job? Apparently you did forget. The way the USA government works is all spending has to be approved by the House, and maybe the Senate too, I forget how that law works exactly. But then the president has to sign the spending bill. So Bush 2, the Republican president, signed all this national debt into affect. Danged Democrat congress controlling the Republican president!

> and then during Obama the National Debt grew at double the rate it did for the previous 12 years.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/187867/public-debt-of-the-united-states-since-1990/
I will agree that the rate of change in national debt did take an up turn in growth during Obama. And Trumpy continued the trend in his first few years. And then in 2020, HOLY F--KING CHRIST ALMIGHTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Trump increased the debt so fast that I am worried they are going to run out of zeroes to calculate the debt total. WOW!!!!!!!!!

> And when Biden was elected the National Debt immediately took a 7 trillion dollar jump and is now at $30 Trillion

Tommy, the link above shows national debt increased by about $1.5 trillion during Biden's first year, 2021. It was TRUMPY who increased the debt by $4.2 trillion in 2020 alone. I guess you forgot, but Trump was unelected in November 2020 and did not leave office until January 20, 2021. So it was Trump who blew the sh-t out of the national debt in his final year.

which YOU are going to have to repay. My investments are protected against the taxes that are going to make you homeless.
>
> Oh wait, I keep forgetting that your so much smarter than my investment councilors and H&R Block. You'll have to forgive me for forgetting that you're a self made billionaire that puts Elon Musk to shame.

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 5:24:14 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 10:00:54 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 5:47:45 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > On 2/3/2022 7:26 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 16:40:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > > > > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> No, as I suggested, to Northern Idaho.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom should hurry as Idaho housing prices continue to climb:
> > > > > "Boise Idaho Housing Market: Prices | Trends | Forecasts 2022"
> > > > > <https://www.noradarealestate.com/blog/boise-real-estate/>
> > > > > "Boise was deemed the nation’s most overvalued market, where homes are
> > > > > selling for 80.64 percent more than they should..."
> > > > >
> > > > > However, that's southern Idaho. In northern Idaho, there's Coeur
> > > > > d'Alene:
> > > > > <https://www.redfin.com/city/4370/ID/Coeur-d-Alene/housing-market>
> > > > > "Coeur d'Alene home prices were up 25.2% compared to last year,
> > > > > selling for a median price of $626K."
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom will probably pay cash from his growing $1.5 investment profits.
> > > > > At 25%/year, on a $626,000 Coeur d'Alene home, every month Tom delays
> > > > > will cost him:
> > > > > $626,000 * 0.25 / 12 months = $13,000/month
> > > > > Figure about 3 times that for Boise, ID.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nice place for cycling. It only rains 122 days/year and is below
> > > > > freezing for only 3-4 months/year:
> > > > > <https://www.bestplaces.net/climate/city/idaho/coeur_d%27alene>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Maybe not to your taste, but we have two very good long-term
> > > > customers in Coeur d'Alene, one a former US national cycling
> > > > champion.
> > > The entire Olympic cycling team could come from Boise and Jeff would still paint that as the worst place on Earth.
> > Greg Lemond was born in Lakewood California. A suburb in the Los Angeles area. You speak constantly how awful and horrible California is. I don't recall if you have specifically said southern California, the LA area, is particularly evil or liberal run by Democrats. Someone will have to use their better computer skills than me to look up if you specifically criticized LA or not.
> > He is no more than a cripple and cannot ride a bike. So why is he posting here? There are plenty political discussion sites on Google Groups but he ignores them because with his little group here he has a majority to back him up while that doesn't exist elsewhere.
> > >
> > > We have lost the dozen serious bike shop owners to John, Flunky, Frank and sometimes Russell. I'm ashamed to say that I chased away Jay Beattie though I have been unable to get him to respond to email so perhaps something more dreadful occurred than my insulting him. I would rather he was insulted into leaving than some accident involving the injuries he incurred trying to ski with his son.
> More of that really bright analysis. When Greg Lemond was born in sourthern California they had 2/3rds the population they have now and controlled immigration. California had Ronald Reagan and his pro-business government during the time when Lemond came to fame.

Greg Lemond was born in 1961. He now lives in the Democrat state of Minnesota. Reagan was governor of California from 1967 to 1975. That was during Lemond's early teen years. I suppose he came to fame very early. Between age 6 and 14? California had 16 million people in 1960. It now has 39 million people. I'd rewrite your sentence to say California had about 40% of the population it has today. Not 2/3rds.

The Democrats have followed the anti-business socialist bullshit that Frank loves so much and now, business are going broke everywhere in California. Hollywood hasn't made a cent in 15 years and all of the people with money have left the state for better climbs and places where hard working producers are appreciated. The streets of San Francisco are now covered in human feces and the first thing a business does before it can open is wash the entire front of their front, spray is down with Clorox and wash the GUTTERS out to the main drains. Drug addicts are literally everywhere and you can watch them shooting up where ever you look. The Tourist trade is GONE. Alcoholism is the only trade making money. The Chinese have bought up most of the commercial land, torn down almost new buildings and put up buildings twice the size or larger. They all have "For Rent" signs out in front showing that Asians don't seem to have any better sense than the Democrats. Like my UPS driver friend who watched California grow 50% during the time he was working he is sure that these buildings will all be filled.
>
> While ignorant people like you believe that the market is growing, you don't even understand that it is only increasing with the rate of inflation.
>
> But that's OK Russell, you can shoot yourself in the foot all that you like. I can just ride my bike and smile at people like you. Your total lack of understanding of what is going on is truly humorous.

On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:10:35 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 5:59:21 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:05:36 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:36:57 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> On 2/3/2022 11:17 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Andrew, these are entirely politically motivated and those making the proper payoffs can build anything anywhere. It used to be entirely open land in between Hayward and Fremont. There is now absolutely NO open land on any grade not too expensive to build. All of the farms are gone and there have been housing built on ALL of the land. Even the land along Tasajara Rd. in the last 5 years had expanded housing almost to Highland Rd. Livermore has expanded to the point where the only thing stopping further expansion is the vineyards owned by politically powerful people and a state park.
>> >> >
>> >> > Even land in Niles Canyon is being developed and you couldn't have a worse place with heavy truck traffic using this as a shortcut 24 hours a day and the down-canyon lane with double semi's decelerating most of the way with engine braking.
>> >> >
>> >> > In San Leandro and Oakland, they have filled the land so far out into the bay that it is impossible to believe. While this is presently a state bike trail it is clear that this is going to end. They were about to take over the San Leandro Marina and turn it into bay view apartments but the local house group who had bought their homes on the value of their bay view managed to stop it at least temporarily. But the San Leandro City Council is as crooked as every other body in California and the payoffs will gain the permits before long.
>> >> >
>> >> > Despite the so-called environmentalists saying otherwise, they have stood aside while the hills in the Altamont Pass have been cut down and used for garbage dumps and landfill to cover yet more area of the San Francisco bay. I won't live long enough but the mid-San Francisco bay is now so unproductive that the seagulls are almost entirely gone. Ducks and Geese which rely more on land plants or small fish are thinning out. Presently the ONLY place you can catch Striped Bass anymore is Alviso in the far south bay. This used to be a party boat staple.
>> >> >
>> >> > In short, the city by the bay is no more. It is a homeless and drug infested dump with people shitting on the streets often in plain view of tourists who have stopped coming except for those who don't know better like the Asian Indians. And they won't return because they can see better sights in Calcutta.
>> >> Wow. So much misery! Do you stay there just to have things to complain
>> >> about?
>> >>
>> >> You need to move out of that hellhole.
>> >
>> >To where? The dramatically better Boston, Philadelphia, New York City, Detroit or Springfield into which Biden is dumping illegals? What about that wonderful Democrat Paradise Baltimore that has a murder rate equal to El Salvador - the murder capital of the western Hemisphere? My, how blind are those who cannot see. Frank, you are pure unadulterated human garbage and the best thing that about to happen is that your entire state is going to be rubbed off of the map by the very Democrat government you support.
>> Well, you could move to Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut,
>> Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York or New Jersey, all of which have
>> a lower crime rate then California. Or Washington State, Montana,
>> Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Nebraska, and probably others I'm too lazy
>> to look up.
>>
>> If you can afford to move, that is.
>
>You can't afford to move 10 feet and you can only hope that China doesn't decide that Thailand is a good place to settle.

Why would China decide that Thailand is a good place to settle? Or is
this yet another case of your misspelling or many just getting your
facts wrong?

You see, Tommy, South East Asia is rather noted for the numbers of
Chinese that left China to settle in a new country. The "Thai"
population is made up of something like 10 million folks of Chinese
decent, about 14%. My wife's father came from China. Singapore? About
75% of the population is of Chinese decent. Malaysia? About 22%

But, you see Tommy, our "local Chinese" have very little relationship
to the country, China, as they all left it because it was a horrible
place to be so they came to a better place and feel no affection for
the place that they came from. In fact, in Thailand, if you ask a chap
that is obviously not a full blooded Thai - looks a bit Chinese - what
he is and he will tell you he is a Thai.

Now pay attention here Tommy, I'm going to whisper a secret in your
ear.

(Pssst... Tommy if you get your facts all in a line before you open
your mouth people will listen more closely)

"fact" in the above, of course, meaning something that is true as
opposed to something that is imagined.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/4/2022 7:25 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:10:35 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 5:59:21 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:05:36 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:36:57 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/2022 11:17 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew, these are entirely politically motivated and those making the proper payoffs can build anything anywhere. It used to be entirely open land in between Hayward and Fremont. There is now absolutely NO open land on any grade not too expensive to build. All of the farms are gone and there have been housing built on ALL of the land. Even the land along Tasajara Rd. in the last 5 years had expanded housing almost to Highland Rd. Livermore has expanded to the point where the only thing stopping further expansion is the vineyards owned by politically powerful people and a state park.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even land in Niles Canyon is being developed and you couldn't have a worse place with heavy truck traffic using this as a shortcut 24 hours a day and the down-canyon lane with double semi's decelerating most of the way with engine braking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In San Leandro and Oakland, they have filled the land so far out into the bay that it is impossible to believe. While this is presently a state bike trail it is clear that this is going to end. They were about to take over the San Leandro Marina and turn it into bay view apartments but the local house group who had bought their homes on the value of their bay view managed to stop it at least temporarily. But the San Leandro City Council is as crooked as every other body in California and the payoffs will gain the permits before long.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Despite the so-called environmentalists saying otherwise, they have stood aside while the hills in the Altamont Pass have been cut down and used for garbage dumps and landfill to cover yet more area of the San Francisco bay. I won't live long enough but the mid-San Francisco bay is now so unproductive that the seagulls are almost entirely gone. Ducks and Geese which rely more on land plants or small fish are thinning out. Presently the ONLY place you can catch Striped Bass anymore is Alviso in the far south bay. This used to be a party boat staple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In short, the city by the bay is no more. It is a homeless and drug infested dump with people shitting on the streets often in plain view of tourists who have stopped coming except for those who don't know better like the Asian Indians. And they won't return because they can see better sights in Calcutta.
>>>>> Wow. So much misery! Do you stay there just to have things to complain
>>>>> about?
>>>>>
>>>>> You need to move out of that hellhole.
>>>>
>>>> To where? The dramatically better Boston, Philadelphia, New York City, Detroit or Springfield into which Biden is dumping illegals? What about that wonderful Democrat Paradise Baltimore that has a murder rate equal to El Salvador - the murder capital of the western Hemisphere? My, how blind are those who cannot see. Frank, you are pure unadulterated human garbage and the best thing that about to happen is that your entire state is going to be rubbed off of the map by the very Democrat government you support.
>>> Well, you could move to Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut,
>>> Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York or New Jersey, all of which have
>>> a lower crime rate then California. Or Washington State, Montana,
>>> Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Nebraska, and probably others I'm too lazy
>>> to look up.
>>>
>>> If you can afford to move, that is.
>>
>> You can't afford to move 10 feet and you can only hope that China doesn't decide that Thailand is a good place to settle.
>
> Why would China decide that Thailand is a good place to settle? Or is
> this yet another case of your misspelling or many just getting your
> facts wrong?
>
> You see, Tommy, South East Asia is rather noted for the numbers of
> Chinese that left China to settle in a new country. The "Thai"
> population is made up of something like 10 million folks of Chinese
> decent, about 14%. My wife's father came from China. Singapore? About
> 75% of the population is of Chinese decent. Malaysia? About 22%
>
> But, you see Tommy, our "local Chinese" have very little relationship
> to the country, China, as they all left it because it was a horrible
> place to be so they came to a better place and feel no affection for
> the place that they came from. In fact, in Thailand, if you ask a chap
> that is obviously not a full blooded Thai - looks a bit Chinese - what
> he is and he will tell you he is a Thai.
>
> Now pay attention here Tommy, I'm going to whisper a secret in your
> ear.
>
> (Pssst... Tommy if you get your facts all in a line before you open
> your mouth people will listen more closely)
>
> "fact" in the above, of course, meaning something that is true as
> opposed to something that is imagined.
>

Besides, China doesn't border Thailand. Now, Mr Xi has
decided that walled borders benefit either China or the CCP
or himself:

https://asiatimes.com/2020/12/china-building-great-wall-on-its-soft-southern-underbelly/

Which is driven equally to control flows both in and out.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 10:25:04 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 11:00:54 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> The entire Olympic cycling team could come from Boise and Jeff would still paint that as the worst place on Earth.
>
>Jeff didn't write anything of the kind.
>
>> He is no more than a cripple and cannot ride a bike. So why is he posting here?
>
>aside from the fact that that isn't true, you're an ignorant asshole with no life and no friends whose only social interaction is this forum.
>
>> There are plenty political discussion sites on Google Groups but he ignores them because with his little group here he has a majority to back him up while that doesn't exist elsewhere.
>
>Well sparky, why don't _you_ try one of those forums if you're so convinced your opinions would be in a majority? After all, if you didn't waste so much time here you wouldn't get insulted and have people prove every statement you claim as fact wrong.
>
>>
>> We have lost the dozen serious bike shop owners to John, Flunky, Frank and sometimes Russell.
>
>Sure sparky, you had nothing to do with it.
>
>> I'm ashamed to say that I chased away Jay Beattie though I have been unable to get him to respond to email so perhaps something more dreadful occurred than my insulting him.
>
>Hey. Asshole. You didn't just insult him, you threatened him with physical violence. Own it, you pathetic shitbag.
>

Actually I doubt very much that Tommy has ever chased anyone away as I
don't remember Jay ever sounding upset at Tom's posting. In fact Jay
seemed to exhibit a certain amount of sympathy for a chap that was so
inapt that he couldn't figure out how to install the bottom-bracket
bearings in a bicycle and Jay even gave him advice and tried to help
him figure out right and left.

As an aside I recently googled "insane" and discovered it is now,
apparently, not a socially acceptable term. What is now the proper
term to use is:

psychosis
A mental disorder characterized by symptoms, such as delusions or
hallucinations, that indicate impaired contact with reality...
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:07:26 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:34:58 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 9:52:22 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > They are infinitely better than California since northern California has strong conservative local governments that Gavin Loathsome doesn't support. Locally they have even been telling us that northern California is run by the Proud Boys whoever they are though that seems to be a catchall phrase for "conservative".
>> And why would Gavin Newsom support the conservatives in northern California? Newsom is the governor of 40 million people living in California. All 40 million live in Sacramento, the Bay area, LA, and San Diego. There are only about 618 people living in northern California. Northern California doesn't really exist. Its just a fantasy land created by map makers to put some distance between San Fran and Oregon.
>>
>> Look at this population density map for California. No one lives north of Sacramento in California.
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:California_population_map.png
>Loathsome hasn't been supporting anyone but his rich campaign supporters. He will do NOTHING for Californians. He has embedded in law the mass mailings of election ballots. He increased the gas taxes twice to "fix the roads" and the ONLY roads that were repaired were in the rich neighborhoods that supported him. Even in the more conservative neighborhoods he did not repair the roads even with huge and dangerous potholes. This is you loony beliefs about the world around you.
>
>I will tell you. I don't care. I have more than enough money to be comfortable for the rest of my life. It is YOU and FRANK that are in deep shit. And you'll discover that soon enough. Since 1980 I've never made less than $125,000 a year and until getting married it all went into the investments. Until Obama caused a 62% loss of the value of my investments. I am nearly back to ground zero. I keep forgetting that you haters disagree that the Democrat controlled Congress increased the national debt by 1.5 trillion before Obama was elected and then during Obama the National Debt grew at double the rate it did for the previous 12 years. And when Biden was elected the National Debt immediately took a 7 trillion dollar jump and is now at $30 Trillion which YOU are going to have to repay. My investments are protected against the taxes that are going to make you homeless.
>
>Oh wait, I keep forgetting that your so much smarter than my investment councilors and H&R Block. You'll have to forgive me for forgetting that you're a self made billionaire that puts Elon Musk to shame.

Errr... Tommy, I'm a bit interested in your statement that "My
investments are protected against the taxes".

Could you elaborate on that a bit? And yes I am aware of most of the
so called "tax free" investments and they never seem to be actually
totally "tax free".
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 15:24:12 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:41:29 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 10:00:54 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 5:47:45 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> > > On 2/3/2022 7:26 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> > > > On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 16:40:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> > > > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> No, as I suggested, to Northern Idaho.
>> > > >
>> > > > Tom should hurry as Idaho housing prices continue to climb:
>> > > > "Boise Idaho Housing Market: Prices | Trends | Forecasts 2022"
>> > > > <https://www.noradarealestate.com/blog/boise-real-estate/>
>> > > > "Boise was deemed the nation’s most overvalued market, where homes are
>> > > > selling for 80.64 percent more than they should..."
>> > > >
>> > > > However, that's southern Idaho. In northern Idaho, there's Coeur
>> > > > d'Alene:
>> > > > <https://www.redfin.com/city/4370/ID/Coeur-d-Alene/housing-market>
>> > > > "Coeur d'Alene home prices were up 25.2% compared to last year,
>> > > > selling for a median price of $626K."
>> > > >
>> > > > Tom will probably pay cash from his growing $1.5 investment profits.
>> > > > At 25%/year, on a $626,000 Coeur d'Alene home, every month Tom delays
>> > > > will cost him:
>> > > > $626,000 * 0.25 / 12 months = $13,000/month
>> > > > Figure about 3 times that for Boise, ID.
>> > > >
>> > > > Nice place for cycling. It only rains 122 days/year and is below
>> > > > freezing for only 3-4 months/year:
>> > > > <https://www.bestplaces.net/climate/city/idaho/coeur_d%27alene>
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > Maybe not to your taste, but we have two very good long-term
>> > > customers in Coeur d'Alene, one a former US national cycling
>> > > champion.
>> > The entire Olympic cycling team could come from Boise and Jeff would still paint that as the worst place on Earth.
>> Greg Lemond was born in Lakewood California. A suburb in the Los Angeles area. You speak constantly how awful and horrible California is. I don't recall if you have specifically said southern California, the LA area, is particularly evil or liberal run by Democrats. Someone will have to use their better computer skills than me to look up if you specifically criticized LA or not.
>> He is no more than a cripple and cannot ride a bike. So why is he posting here? There are plenty political discussion sites on Google Groups but he ignores them because with his little group here he has a majority to back him up while that doesn't exist elsewhere.
>> >
>> > We have lost the dozen serious bike shop owners to John, Flunky, Frank and sometimes Russell. I'm ashamed to say that I chased away Jay Beattie though I have been unable to get him to respond to email so perhaps something more dreadful occurred than my insulting him. I would rather he was insulted into leaving than some accident involving the injuries he incurred trying to ski with his son.
>
>More of that really bright analysis. When Greg Lemond was born in sourthern California they had 2/3rds the population they have now and controlled immigration. California had Ronald Reagan and his pro-business government during the time when Lemond came to fame. The Democrats have followed the anti-business socialist bullshit that Frank loves so much and now, business are going broke everywhere in California. Hollywood hasn't made a cent in 15 years and all of the people with money have left the state for better climbs and places where hard working producers are appreciated. The streets of San Francisco are now covered in human feces and the first thing a business does before it can open is wash the entire front of their front, spray is down with Clorox and wash the GUTTERS out to the main drains. Drug addicts are literally everywhere and you can watch them shooting up where ever you look. The Tourist trade is GONE. Alcoholism is the only trade making money. The Chinese have bought
>up most of the commercial land, torn down almost new buildings and put up buildings twice the size or larger. They all have "For Rent" signs out in front showing that Asians don't seem to have any better sense than the Democrats. Like my UPS driver friend who watched California grow 50% during the time he was working he is sure that these buildings will all be filled.
>
>While ignorant people like you believe that the market is growing, you don't even understand that it is only increasing with the rate of inflation.
>
>But that's OK Russell, you can shoot yourself in the foot all that you like. I can just ride my bike and smile at people like you. Your total lack of understanding of what is going on is truly humorous.

So, California is broke, desolate, and has no future... and you
continue to live there? It certainly shows the world what you are, A
dumb shit, that although rich, isn't intelligent enough to move out of
the slums. A real loser.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 04 Feb 2022 19:36:56 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/4/2022 7:25 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:10:35 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 5:59:21 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:05:36 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:36:57 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/3/2022 11:17 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrew, these are entirely politically motivated and those making the proper payoffs can build anything anywhere. It used to be entirely open land in between Hayward and Fremont. There is now absolutely NO open land on any grade not too expensive to build. All of the farms are gone and there have been housing built on ALL of the land. Even the land along Tasajara Rd. in the last 5 years had expanded housing almost to Highland Rd. Livermore has expanded to the point where the only thing stopping further expansion is the vineyards owned by politically powerful people and a state park.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even land in Niles Canyon is being developed and you couldn't have a worse place with heavy truck traffic using this as a shortcut 24 hours a day and the down-canyon lane with double semi's decelerating most of the way with engine braking.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In San Leandro and Oakland, they have filled the land so far out into the bay that it is impossible to believe. While this is presently a state bike trail it is clear that this is going to end. They were about to take over the San Leandro Marina and turn it into bay view apartments but the local house group who had bought their homes on the value of their bay view managed to stop it at least temporarily. But the San Leandro City Council is as crooked as every other body in California and the payoffs will gain the permits before long.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Despite the so-called environmentalists saying otherwise, they have stood aside while the hills in the Altamont Pass have been cut down and used for garbage dumps and landfill to cover yet more area of the San Francisco bay. I won't live long enough but the mid-San Francisco bay is now so unproductive that the seagulls are almost entirely gone. Ducks and Geese which rely more on land plants or small fish are thinning out. Presently the ONLY place you can catch Striped Bass anymore is Alviso in the far south bay. This used to be a party boat staple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In short, the city by the bay is no more. It is a homeless and drug infested dump with people shitting on the streets often in plain view of tourists who have stopped coming except for those who don't know better like the Asian Indians. And they won't return because they can see better sights in Calcutta.
>>>>>> Wow. So much misery! Do you stay there just to have things to complain
>>>>>> about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need to move out of that hellhole.
>>>>>
>>>>> To where? The dramatically better Boston, Philadelphia, New York City, Detroit or Springfield into which Biden is dumping illegals? What about that wonderful Democrat Paradise Baltimore that has a murder rate equal to El Salvador - the murder capital of the western Hemisphere? My, how blind are those who cannot see. Frank, you are pure unadulterated human garbage and the best thing that about to happen is that your entire state is going to be rubbed off of the map by the very Democrat government you support.
>>>> Well, you could move to Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut,
>>>> Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York or New Jersey, all of which have
>>>> a lower crime rate then California. Or Washington State, Montana,
>>>> Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Nebraska, and probably others I'm too lazy
>>>> to look up.
>>>>
>>>> If you can afford to move, that is.
>>>
>>> You can't afford to move 10 feet and you can only hope that China doesn't decide that Thailand is a good place to settle.
>>
>> Why would China decide that Thailand is a good place to settle? Or is
>> this yet another case of your misspelling or many just getting your
>> facts wrong?
>>
>> You see, Tommy, South East Asia is rather noted for the numbers of
>> Chinese that left China to settle in a new country. The "Thai"
>> population is made up of something like 10 million folks of Chinese
>> decent, about 14%. My wife's father came from China. Singapore? About
>> 75% of the population is of Chinese decent. Malaysia? About 22%
>>
>> But, you see Tommy, our "local Chinese" have very little relationship
>> to the country, China, as they all left it because it was a horrible
>> place to be so they came to a better place and feel no affection for
>> the place that they came from. In fact, in Thailand, if you ask a chap
>> that is obviously not a full blooded Thai - looks a bit Chinese - what
>> he is and he will tell you he is a Thai.
>>
>> Now pay attention here Tommy, I'm going to whisper a secret in your
>> ear.
>>
>> (Pssst... Tommy if you get your facts all in a line before you open
>> your mouth people will listen more closely)
>>
>> "fact" in the above, of course, meaning something that is true as
>> opposed to something that is imagined.
>>
>
>Besides, China doesn't border Thailand. Now, Mr Xi has
>decided that walled borders benefit either China or the CCP
>or himself:
>
>https://asiatimes.com/2020/12/china-building-great-wall-on-its-soft-southern-underbelly/
>
>Which is driven equally to control flows both in and out.

I hadn't been aware of the "great southern wall" but it is probably
worth commenting that N. Myanmar is the source of a considerable
portion of the "dope" sold in Thailand.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:07:29 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I will tell you. I don't care. I have more than enough money to be comfortable for the rest of my life. It is YOU and FRANK that are in deep shit. And you'll discover that soon enough.
> Since 1980 I've never made less than $125,000 a year

Bullshit.

> and until getting married it all went into the investments. Until Obama caused a 62% loss of the value of my investments.

You did that sparky, not obama.

> I am nearly back to ground zero.

Yer a big fat fucking zero alright....

> I keep forgetting that you haters disagree that the Democrat controlled Congress increased the national debt by 1.5 trillion before Obama was elected

lol...tommy thinks obama signed TARP legislation before he was elected.

> and then during Obama the National Debt grew at double the rate it did for the previous 12 years.
> And when Biden was elected the National Debt immediately took a 7 trillion dollar jump and is now at $30 Trillion which YOU are going to have to repay.
> My investments are protected against the taxes that are going to make you homeless.

LOL, tommy thinks his investment income won't be taxed when he withdraws it.

> Oh wait, I keep forgetting that your so much smarter than my investment councilors and H&R Block.

That may or may not be true, but I'd love to see what financial instruments you're using that completely eliminate any tax liability from investment income. Enlighten us, sparky.

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:24:14 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> California had Ronald Reagan and his pro-business government during the time when Lemond came to fame.

Regan was governor from 67 - 75. Lemond managed to make the US junior national team in 1976, and "came to fame" with his junior world championship win in 1979. (is it any wonder that tommy thinks the great recession started under obama?)

> Hollywood hasn't made a cent in 15 years

There were a few down years, "Hollywood hasn't made a cent in 15 years" is hyperbolic at best.

> and all of the people with money have left the state

_all_ of them? There are no people with any money left in california? Forbes tells us otherwise:
"the Golden State is home to more billionaires than ever. Forbes' 2021 World's Billionaires list features 189 California residents, an increase of 24 compared to last year."
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrickcai/2021/04/06/golden-state-billionaires-californias-richest-residents-2021/?sh=69f3d3ba79e8

> for better climbs and places where hard working producers are appreciated..

yeah, rich people are leaving califonia for better climbs....

> The streets of San Francisco are now covered in human feces

COVERED with feces I say...COVERED!!!

> The Tourist trade is GONE. Alcoholism is the only trade making money.

Tourism is the # 3 industry in california "bringing in $114.9 billion into the state’s economy according to 2019 statistics. This sort of spending generated $12.2 billion in local and state tax revenue and provided 1.2 million California residents with employment. "
https://www.california.com/biggest-industries-california/

> Asians don't seem to have any better sense than the Democrats.

But tommy's no racist....ooohhh nnnooo.......

> Like my UPS driver friend who watched California grow 50% during the time he was working he is sure that these buildings will all be filled.

He's right:
https://www.globest.com/2021/10/05/san-francisco-office-leasing-is-on-a-roll/?slreturn=20220105080849

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 5:37:01 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/4/2022 7:25 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:10:35 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 5:59:21 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:05:36 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:36:57 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>> On 2/3/2022 11:17 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Andrew, these are entirely politically motivated and those making the proper payoffs can build anything anywhere. It used to be entirely open land in between Hayward and Fremont. There is now absolutely NO open land on any grade not too expensive to build. All of the farms are gone and there have been housing built on ALL of the land. Even the land along Tasajara Rd. in the last 5 years had expanded housing almost to Highland Rd. Livermore has expanded to the point where the only thing stopping further expansion is the vineyards owned by politically powerful people and a state park.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Even land in Niles Canyon is being developed and you couldn't have a worse place with heavy truck traffic using this as a shortcut 24 hours a day and the down-canyon lane with double semi's decelerating most of the way with engine braking.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In San Leandro and Oakland, they have filled the land so far out into the bay that it is impossible to believe. While this is presently a state bike trail it is clear that this is going to end. They were about to take over the San Leandro Marina and turn it into bay view apartments but the local house group who had bought their homes on the value of their bay view managed to stop it at least temporarily. But the San Leandro City Council is as crooked as every other body in California and the payoffs will gain the permits before long.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Despite the so-called environmentalists saying otherwise, they have stood aside while the hills in the Altamont Pass have been cut down and used for garbage dumps and landfill to cover yet more area of the San Francisco bay. I won't live long enough but the mid-San Francisco bay is now so unproductive that the seagulls are almost entirely gone. Ducks and Geese which rely more on land plants or small fish are thinning out. Presently the ONLY place you can catch Striped Bass anymore is Alviso in the far south bay.. This used to be a party boat staple.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In short, the city by the bay is no more. It is a homeless and drug infested dump with people shitting on the streets often in plain view of tourists who have stopped coming except for those who don't know better like the Asian Indians. And they won't return because they can see better sights in Calcutta.
> >>>>> Wow. So much misery! Do you stay there just to have things to complain
> >>>>> about?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You need to move out of that hellhole.
> >>>>
> >>>> To where? The dramatically better Boston, Philadelphia, New York City, Detroit or Springfield into which Biden is dumping illegals? What about that wonderful Democrat Paradise Baltimore that has a murder rate equal to El Salvador - the murder capital of the western Hemisphere? My, how blind are those who cannot see. Frank, you are pure unadulterated human garbage and the best thing that about to happen is that your entire state is going to be rubbed off of the map by the very Democrat government you support.
> >>> Well, you could move to Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut,
> >>> Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York or New Jersey, all of which have
> >>> a lower crime rate then California. Or Washington State, Montana,
> >>> Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Nebraska, and probably others I'm too lazy
> >>> to look up.
> >>>
> >>> If you can afford to move, that is.
> >>
> >> You can't afford to move 10 feet and you can only hope that China doesn't decide that Thailand is a good place to settle.
> >
> > Why would China decide that Thailand is a good place to settle? Or is
> > this yet another case of your misspelling or many just getting your
> > facts wrong?
> >
> > You see, Tommy, South East Asia is rather noted for the numbers of
> > Chinese that left China to settle in a new country. The "Thai"
> > population is made up of something like 10 million folks of Chinese
> > decent, about 14%. My wife's father came from China. Singapore? About
> > 75% of the population is of Chinese decent. Malaysia? About 22%
> >
> > But, you see Tommy, our "local Chinese" have very little relationship
> > to the country, China, as they all left it because it was a horrible
> > place to be so they came to a better place and feel no affection for
> > the place that they came from. In fact, in Thailand, if you ask a chap
> > that is obviously not a full blooded Thai - looks a bit Chinese - what
> > he is and he will tell you he is a Thai.
> >
> > Now pay attention here Tommy, I'm going to whisper a secret in your
> > ear.
> >
> > (Pssst... Tommy if you get your facts all in a line before you open
> > your mouth people will listen more closely)
> >
> > "fact" in the above, of course, meaning something that is true as
> > opposed to something that is imagined.
> >
> Besides, China doesn't border Thailand. Now, Mr Xi has
> decided that walled borders benefit either China or the CCP
> or himself:
>
> https://asiatimes.com/2020/12/china-building-great-wall-on-its-soft-southern-underbelly/
>
> Which is driven equally to control flows both in and out.

Andrew. So you believe that Laos which is almost entirely under the control of China doesn't border Thailand? That Thailand isn't a useful tool of the Chinese? You could have asked the State Department about this before Obama, but now with the very worst of the Obama people running everything, you couldn't find out shit.

On 2/5/2022 9:04 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 5:37:01 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/4/2022 7:25 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:10:35 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 5:59:21 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:05:36 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:36:57 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/3/2022 11:17 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andrew, these are entirely politically motivated and those making the proper payoffs can build anything anywhere. It used to be entirely open land in between Hayward and Fremont. There is now absolutely NO open land on any grade not too expensive to build. All of the farms are gone and there have been housing built on ALL of the land. Even the land along Tasajara Rd. in the last 5 years had expanded housing almost to Highland Rd. Livermore has expanded to the point where the only thing stopping further expansion is the vineyards owned by politically powerful people and a state park.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even land in Niles Canyon is being developed and you couldn't have a worse place with heavy truck traffic using this as a shortcut 24 hours a day and the down-canyon lane with double semi's decelerating most of the way with engine braking.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In San Leandro and Oakland, they have filled the land so far out into the bay that it is impossible to believe. While this is presently a state bike trail it is clear that this is going to end. They were about to take over the San Leandro Marina and turn it into bay view apartments but the local house group who had bought their homes on the value of their bay view managed to stop it at least temporarily. But the San Leandro City Council is as crooked as every other body in California and the payoffs will gain the permits before long.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Despite the so-called environmentalists saying otherwise, they have stood aside while the hills in the Altamont Pass have been cut down and used for garbage dumps and landfill to cover yet more area of the San Francisco bay. I won't live long enough but the mid-San Francisco bay is now so unproductive that the seagulls are almost entirely gone. Ducks and Geese which rely more on land plants or small fish are thinning out. Presently the ONLY place you can catch Striped Bass anymore is Alviso in the far south bay. This used to be a party boat staple.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In short, the city by the bay is no more. It is a homeless and drug infested dump with people shitting on the streets often in plain view of tourists who have stopped coming except for those who don't know better like the Asian Indians. And they won't return because they can see better sights in Calcutta.
>>>>>>> Wow. So much misery! Do you stay there just to have things to complain
>>>>>>> about?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to move out of that hellhole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To where? The dramatically better Boston, Philadelphia, New York City, Detroit or Springfield into which Biden is dumping illegals? What about that wonderful Democrat Paradise Baltimore that has a murder rate equal to El Salvador - the murder capital of the western Hemisphere? My, how blind are those who cannot see. Frank, you are pure unadulterated human garbage and the best thing that about to happen is that your entire state is going to be rubbed off of the map by the very Democrat government you support.
>>>>> Well, you could move to Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut,
>>>>> Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York or New Jersey, all of which have
>>>>> a lower crime rate then California. Or Washington State, Montana,
>>>>> Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Nebraska, and probably others I'm too lazy
>>>>> to look up.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can afford to move, that is.
>>>>
>>>> You can't afford to move 10 feet and you can only hope that China doesn't decide that Thailand is a good place to settle.
>>>
>>> Why would China decide that Thailand is a good place to settle? Or is
>>> this yet another case of your misspelling or many just getting your
>>> facts wrong?
>>>
>>> You see, Tommy, South East Asia is rather noted for the numbers of
>>> Chinese that left China to settle in a new country. The "Thai"
>>> population is made up of something like 10 million folks of Chinese
>>> decent, about 14%. My wife's father came from China. Singapore? About
>>> 75% of the population is of Chinese decent. Malaysia? About 22%
>>>
>>> But, you see Tommy, our "local Chinese" have very little relationship
>>> to the country, China, as they all left it because it was a horrible
>>> place to be so they came to a better place and feel no affection for
>>> the place that they came from. In fact, in Thailand, if you ask a chap
>>> that is obviously not a full blooded Thai - looks a bit Chinese - what
>>> he is and he will tell you he is a Thai.
>>>
>>> Now pay attention here Tommy, I'm going to whisper a secret in your
>>> ear.
>>>
>>> (Pssst... Tommy if you get your facts all in a line before you open
>>> your mouth people will listen more closely)
>>>
>>> "fact" in the above, of course, meaning something that is true as
>>> opposed to something that is imagined.
>>>
>> Besides, China doesn't border Thailand. Now, Mr Xi has
>> decided that walled borders benefit either China or the CCP
>> or himself:
>>
>> https://asiatimes.com/2020/12/china-building-great-wall-on-its-soft-southern-underbelly/
>>
>> Which is driven equally to control flows both in and out.
>
> Andrew. So you believe that Laos which is almost entirely under the control of China doesn't border Thailand? That Thailand isn't a useful tool of the Chinese? You could have asked the State Department about this before Obama, but now with the very worst of the Obama people running everything, you couldn't find out shit.
>

I don't know and can't speculate.

I assume that the expense and effort of a wall was incurred
to solve a problem of people going across, one direction or
another (or both).

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 07:04:08 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 5:37:01 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 2/4/2022 7:25 PM, John B. wrote:
>> > On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:10:35 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 5:59:21 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 3 Feb 2022 13:05:36 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> >>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:36:57 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>>>> On 2/3/2022 11:17 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Andrew, these are entirely politically motivated and those making the proper payoffs can build anything anywhere. It used to be entirely open land in between Hayward and Fremont. There is now absolutely NO open land on any grade not too expensive to build. All of the farms are gone and there have been housing built on ALL of the land. Even the land along Tasajara Rd. in the last 5 years had expanded housing almost to Highland Rd. Livermore has expanded to the point where the only thing stopping further expansion is the vineyards owned by politically powerful people and a state park.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Even land in Niles Canyon is being developed and you couldn't have a worse place with heavy truck traffic using this as a shortcut 24 hours a day and the down-canyon lane with double semi's decelerating most of the way with engine braking.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> In San Leandro and Oakland, they have filled the land so far out into the bay that it is impossible to believe. While this is presently a state bike trail it is clear that this is going to end. They were about to take over the San Leandro Marina and turn it into bay view apartments but the local house group who had bought their homes on the value of their bay view managed to stop it at least temporarily. But the San Leandro City Council is as crooked as every other body in California and the payoffs will gain the permits before long.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Despite the so-called environmentalists saying otherwise, they have stood aside while the hills in the Altamont Pass have been cut down and used for garbage dumps and landfill to cover yet more area of the San Francisco bay. I won't live long enough but the mid-San Francisco bay is now so unproductive that the seagulls are almost entirely gone. Ducks and Geese which rely more on land plants or small fish are thinning out. Presently the ONLY place you can catch Striped Bass anymore is Alviso in the far south bay. This used to be a party boat staple.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> In short, the city by the bay is no more. It is a homeless and drug infested dump with people shitting on the streets often in plain view of tourists who have stopped coming except for those who don't know better like the Asian Indians. And they won't return because they can see better sights in Calcutta.
>> >>>>> Wow. So much misery! Do you stay there just to have things to complain
>> >>>>> about?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> You need to move out of that hellhole.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> To where? The dramatically better Boston, Philadelphia, New York City, Detroit or Springfield into which Biden is dumping illegals? What about that wonderful Democrat Paradise Baltimore that has a murder rate equal to El Salvador - the murder capital of the western Hemisphere? My, how blind are those who cannot see. Frank, you are pure unadulterated human garbage and the best thing that about to happen is that your entire state is going to be rubbed off of the map by the very Democrat government you support.
>> >>> Well, you could move to Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut,
>> >>> Massachusetts, Rhode Island, New York or New Jersey, all of which have
>> >>> a lower crime rate then California. Or Washington State, Montana,
>> >>> Idaho, Wyoming, Colorado, Nebraska, and probably others I'm too lazy
>> >>> to look up.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you can afford to move, that is.
>> >>
>> >> You can't afford to move 10 feet and you can only hope that China doesn't decide that Thailand is a good place to settle.
>> >
>> > Why would China decide that Thailand is a good place to settle? Or is
>> > this yet another case of your misspelling or many just getting your
>> > facts wrong?
>> >
>> > You see, Tommy, South East Asia is rather noted for the numbers of
>> > Chinese that left China to settle in a new country. The "Thai"
>> > population is made up of something like 10 million folks of Chinese
>> > decent, about 14%. My wife's father came from China. Singapore? About
>> > 75% of the population is of Chinese decent. Malaysia? About 22%
>> >
>> > But, you see Tommy, our "local Chinese" have very little relationship
>> > to the country, China, as they all left it because it was a horrible
>> > place to be so they came to a better place and feel no affection for
>> > the place that they came from. In fact, in Thailand, if you ask a chap
>> > that is obviously not a full blooded Thai - looks a bit Chinese - what
>> > he is and he will tell you he is a Thai.
>> >
>> > Now pay attention here Tommy, I'm going to whisper a secret in your
>> > ear.
>> >
>> > (Pssst... Tommy if you get your facts all in a line before you open
>> > your mouth people will listen more closely)
>> >
>> > "fact" in the above, of course, meaning something that is true as
>> > opposed to something that is imagined.
>> >
>> Besides, China doesn't border Thailand. Now, Mr Xi has
>> decided that walled borders benefit either China or the CCP
>> or himself:
>>
>> https://asiatimes.com/2020/12/china-building-great-wall-on-its-soft-southern-underbelly/
>>
>> Which is driven equally to control flows both in and out.
>
>Andrew. So you believe that Laos which is almost entirely under the control of China doesn't border Thailand? That Thailand isn't a useful tool of the Chinese? You could have asked the State Department about this before Obama, but now with the very worst of the Obama people running everything, you couldn't find out shit.

Laos? Under the control of the Chinese? Really?

Although China does hold a significant amount of Laos debt, just as it
holds a large amount of U.S. debt, there seems to be no overt attempt
to control the government. After all, why would they? Laos GDP is in
the neighborhood of 14,000 (million US$) while China's GDP is nearly
800 times greater and the country has no geographical advantage. Why
would anyone want that useless POS country? Well, except to build a
railroad across it.
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Cheers,

John B.

rOn Sat, 05 Feb 2022 18:45:05 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
<jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 06 Feb 2022 07:47:38 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>Although China does hold a significant amount of Laos debt, just as it
>>holds a large amount of U.S. debt, there seems to be no overt attempt
>>to control the government. After all, why would they? Laos GDP is in
>>the neighborhood of 14,000 (million US$) while China's GDP is nearly
>>800 times greater and the country has no geographical advantage. Why
>>would anyone want that useless POS country? Well, except to build a
>>railroad across it.
>
>Laos reportedly has a reasonable amount of gold and copper. The
>problem is that the gold and copper deposits also contain unexploded
>old ordinance which is too expensive to clear:
><https://factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Laos/sub5_3d/entry-2989.html>
>(May 2014) "The earth here is suffused with metal millions of ounces
>of gold, millions of tons of copper and thousands of pounds of very
>old, very live American bombs left over from the Vietnam War. (...)
>More American bombs were dropped on this stretch of territory than on
>Vietnam or on Europe in World War II. [Source: Wayne Arnold, New York
>Times, March 5, 2002 ~~]"
>
>The result seems to be that foreign investment in mining isn't
>happening. That would be ideal for China to step in and save Laos, in
>trade for mining rights, especially since Laos is already a communist
>country. I don't know if that's happening.

There were certainly a lot of bombs dropped on Laos. A friend took a
bus trip from Vientiane north and east to Vietnam and he said that all
the way you could see bomb craters on either side of the road.

Re mining, Laos certainly isn't famous for minerals although I believe
that tin was "mined" in the French days. The Laotians have a
reputation for being a rather lackadaisical people. One never pays for
a job until it is completed as the Laotians are said to wonder off and
get drunk if they have any money so one should never give them any
money until the work is completed.

During the French "protectorate" the French imported a lot of
Vietnamese as the Viets are a rather industrious people, much like
Chinese, while the Laotian are much more "laid back". I read that as
much as 50% of the population of Vientiane was Viet. The French also
did much the same in Cambodia, I believe.

By the way, mining, in a developing country seldom results in much
money flowing into the country. The Mine is financed by foreign
capital, all equipment and skilled labor is imported and only
unskilled personnel are employed locally and while their salary is
often far the highest in the country it is still pennies in the mining
industry and the mining country makes sure that any profits are taken
outside the country. So, yes several hundred/thousand locals make a
big (for them) salary but that is about all that happens

I'm not being exactly accurate because, of course to get the
permissions and licenses, etc, from the nation it must pay some
percentage of their profit to "the government" who are quire
frequently a thousand miles away and, of course, see no reason to give
the peasants anything.
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Cheers,

John B.