Yesterday while out on a ride I noticed that there was a groups of people stopped along the trail. They all had E-bikes so I guess there are groups of people that couldn't otherwise ride forming groups of clubs.

Since I have yet to see e-bikes riding with regular riding groups, I wonder if the e-bike has a pox upon it?

Another thing - I have been seeing more and more groups or clubs riding. While mostly it is 4 or 5 there was that one group in Alameda that appeared to be about 20 or so riders. It this is the case and they can bring themselves to stay together that really looks good for bicycling future. But if the usual faster guys continue to drop everyone, the riding groups will continue to be 4 or 5 people and the large scale clubs will slowly wilt and die off.

This phony covid-19 was pretty carefully planned. Where do normal people learn of such illnesses? From the media? sure, but most people don't believe the media and few ever did after than 70's when it became clear that the government didn't mind lying to its citizens and the media would confirm everything the government said was absolute truth. Flower Power was a result of this.

So they took another tack. They told nurses that some 85 year old man that died from a stroke was killed by covid-19. Why did they do that? Because they were paid $50,000 per reported civid-19 case to say so. Nurses are the inside track to the common man. After attending a stroke victim that got slowly worse and worse and being bedridden developed pneumonia and died on a ventilator, they were fairly easy to convince that this person gasping his last breaths on a machine had an incurable disease. So, they told all of their friends about this deadly disease and they told all their friends with the authority of a nurse. All experts of course.

Now the common man is out of work and with most of his savings gone. So you cannot expect cycling to grow very rapidly when what used to be a cheap hobby has become a large portion of these people's incomes.

There was an e-Bike shop adjacent to a path I normally take. It lasted perhaps 4 months and is now gone. The only thing that is supporting Trek and Specialized is their size and their ability to drastically cut staff.

It is rather comical that used bikes have grown in expense to what new bikes used to cost. So even a higher end used bike can cost what they were new. Can you just imagine!

If we could have the income we had during Trump, this hobby would now be overwhelming America. What do you see at the Olympics is China? China is expelling high end athletes for not being vaccinated and because they are still having their butts kicked, they have turned to a new tack - they are disqualifying people that are beating the Chinese. They just disqualified the American and Russian speed skaters for interfering with the Chinese skater. This interference was nothing more than the usual stuff in speed skating. The Russian's arm touched the Chinese skater and the American had a skate over the blue line which gave him no advantage at all.

Since the summer games will be held in Tokyo, there are not likely to be these sorts of things. But no one cares, the real Olympics are the three Grand Tours. And you sure won't see and e-bike Olympics.

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:43:03 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Yesterday while out on a ride I noticed that there was a groups of people stopped along the trail. They all had E-bikes so I guess there are groups of people that couldn't otherwise ride forming groups of clubs.
>
> Since I have yet to see e-bikes riding with regular riding groups, I wonder if the e-bike has a pox upon it?
>
> Another thing - I have been seeing more and more groups or clubs riding. While mostly it is 4 or 5 there was that one group in Alameda that appeared to be about 20 or so riders. It this is the case and they can bring themselves to stay together that really looks good for bicycling future. But if the usual faster guys continue to drop everyone, the riding groups will continue to be 4 or 5 people and the large scale clubs will slowly wilt and die off.
>
> This phony covid-19 was pretty carefully planned. Where do normal people learn of such illnesses? From the media? sure, but most people don't believe the media and few ever did after than 70's when it became clear that the government didn't mind lying to its citizens and the media would confirm everything the government said was absolute truth. Flower Power was a result of this.
>
> So they took another tack. They told nurses that some 85 year old man that died from a stroke was killed by covid-19. Why did they do that? Because they were paid $50,000 per reported civid-19 case to say so. Nurses are the inside track to the common man. After attending a stroke victim that got slowly worse and worse and being bedridden developed pneumonia and died on a ventilator, they were fairly easy to convince that this person gasping his last breaths on a machine had an incurable disease. So, they told all of their friends about this deadly disease and they told all their friends with the authority of a nurse. All experts of course.
>
> Now the common man is out of work and with most of his savings gone. So you cannot expect cycling to grow very rapidly when what used to be a cheap hobby has become a large portion of these people's incomes.
>
> There was an e-Bike shop adjacent to a path I normally take. It lasted perhaps 4 months and is now gone. The only thing that is supporting Trek and Specialized is their size and their ability to drastically cut staff.
>
> It is rather comical that used bikes have grown in expense to what new bikes used to cost. So even a higher end used bike can cost what they were new. Can you just imagine!
>
> If we could have the income we had during Trump, this hobby would now be overwhelming America. What do you see at the Olympics is China? China is expelling high end athletes for not being vaccinated and because they are still having their butts kicked, they have turned to a new tack - they are disqualifying people that are beating the Chinese. They just disqualified the American and Russian speed skaters for interfering with the Chinese skater. This interference was nothing more than the usual stuff in speed skating. The Russian's arm touched the Chinese skater and the American had a skate over the blue line which gave him no advantage at all.
>
> Since the summer games will be held in Tokyo, there are not likely to be these sorts of things. But no one cares, the real Olympics are the three Grand Tours. And you sure won't see and e-bike Olympics.
>
Don't be so sure about not seeing any e-bike Olympics. Wasn't formation swimming made an Olympic "sport" a few years ago? I have zero faith in blazers generally (anyone want to defend the UCI? -- we could do with a giggle), and the Olympic blazers are champions at self-important stupidity -- and corruption. -- AJ
>

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 10:29:36 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:43:03 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Yesterday while out on a ride I noticed that there was a groups of people stopped along the trail. They all had E-bikes so I guess there are groups of people that couldn't otherwise ride forming groups of clubs.
> >
> > Since I have yet to see e-bikes riding with regular riding groups, I wonder if the e-bike has a pox upon it?
> >
> > Another thing - I have been seeing more and more groups or clubs riding.. While mostly it is 4 or 5 there was that one group in Alameda that appeared to be about 20 or so riders. It this is the case and they can bring themselves to stay together that really looks good for bicycling future. But if the usual faster guys continue to drop everyone, the riding groups will continue to be 4 or 5 people and the large scale clubs will slowly wilt and die off.
> >
> > This phony covid-19 was pretty carefully planned. Where do normal people learn of such illnesses? From the media? sure, but most people don't believe the media and few ever did after than 70's when it became clear that the government didn't mind lying to its citizens and the media would confirm everything the government said was absolute truth. Flower Power was a result of this.
> >
> > So they took another tack. They told nurses that some 85 year old man that died from a stroke was killed by covid-19. Why did they do that? Because they were paid $50,000 per reported civid-19 case to say so. Nurses are the inside track to the common man. After attending a stroke victim that got slowly worse and worse and being bedridden developed pneumonia and died on a ventilator, they were fairly easy to convince that this person gasping his last breaths on a machine had an incurable disease. So, they told all of their friends about this deadly disease and they told all their friends with the authority of a nurse. All experts of course.
> >
> > Now the common man is out of work and with most of his savings gone. So you cannot expect cycling to grow very rapidly when what used to be a cheap hobby has become a large portion of these people's incomes.
> >
> > There was an e-Bike shop adjacent to a path I normally take. It lasted perhaps 4 months and is now gone. The only thing that is supporting Trek and Specialized is their size and their ability to drastically cut staff.
> >
> > It is rather comical that used bikes have grown in expense to what new bikes used to cost. So even a higher end used bike can cost what they were new. Can you just imagine!
> >
> > If we could have the income we had during Trump, this hobby would now be overwhelming America. What do you see at the Olympics is China? China is expelling high end athletes for not being vaccinated and because they are still having their butts kicked, they have turned to a new tack - they are disqualifying people that are beating the Chinese. They just disqualified the American and Russian speed skaters for interfering with the Chinese skater. This interference was nothing more than the usual stuff in speed skating.. The Russian's arm touched the Chinese skater and the American had a skate over the blue line which gave him no advantage at all.
> >
> > Since the summer games will be held in Tokyo, there are not likely to be these sorts of things. But no one cares, the real Olympics are the three Grand Tours. And you sure won't see and e-bike Olympics.
> >
> Don't be so sure about not seeing any e-bike Olympics. Wasn't formation swimming made an Olympic "sport" a few years ago? I have zero faith in blazers generally (anyone want to defend the UCI? -- we could do with a giggle), and the Olympic blazers are champions at self-important stupidity -- and corruption. -- AJ
> >
I think e-bikes are OK if that's your cup of tea, and if you don't want to get in shape by pedaling a regular bicycle. More personal choice generally being better, e-bikers should have the right to use all the same roads and trails that normal bikes use. I will confess, however to the slightest bit of mood perturbation when an e-biker passes me with a rather smug and supercilious look on his face, as if he's really faster than I am, when I am returning from a long, hard ride slowly because I'm all tired out.

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 10:46:43 AM UTC-8, William Crowell wrote:
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 10:29:36 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:43:03 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Yesterday while out on a ride I noticed that there was a groups of people stopped along the trail. They all had E-bikes so I guess there are groups of people that couldn't otherwise ride forming groups of clubs.
> > >
> > > Since I have yet to see e-bikes riding with regular riding groups, I wonder if the e-bike has a pox upon it?
> > >
> > > Another thing - I have been seeing more and more groups or clubs riding. While mostly it is 4 or 5 there was that one group in Alameda that appeared to be about 20 or so riders. It this is the case and they can bring themselves to stay together that really looks good for bicycling future. But if the usual faster guys continue to drop everyone, the riding groups will continue to be 4 or 5 people and the large scale clubs will slowly wilt and die off.
> > >
> > > This phony covid-19 was pretty carefully planned. Where do normal people learn of such illnesses? From the media? sure, but most people don't believe the media and few ever did after than 70's when it became clear that the government didn't mind lying to its citizens and the media would confirm everything the government said was absolute truth. Flower Power was a result of this.
> > >
> > > So they took another tack. They told nurses that some 85 year old man that died from a stroke was killed by covid-19. Why did they do that? Because they were paid $50,000 per reported civid-19 case to say so. Nurses are the inside track to the common man. After attending a stroke victim that got slowly worse and worse and being bedridden developed pneumonia and died on a ventilator, they were fairly easy to convince that this person gasping his last breaths on a machine had an incurable disease. So, they told all of their friends about this deadly disease and they told all their friends with the authority of a nurse. All experts of course.
> > >
> > > Now the common man is out of work and with most of his savings gone. So you cannot expect cycling to grow very rapidly when what used to be a cheap hobby has become a large portion of these people's incomes.
> > >
> > > There was an e-Bike shop adjacent to a path I normally take. It lasted perhaps 4 months and is now gone. The only thing that is supporting Trek and Specialized is their size and their ability to drastically cut staff.
> > >
> > > It is rather comical that used bikes have grown in expense to what new bikes used to cost. So even a higher end used bike can cost what they were new. Can you just imagine!
> > >
> > > If we could have the income we had during Trump, this hobby would now be overwhelming America. What do you see at the Olympics is China? China is expelling high end athletes for not being vaccinated and because they are still having their butts kicked, they have turned to a new tack - they are disqualifying people that are beating the Chinese. They just disqualified the American and Russian speed skaters for interfering with the Chinese skater. This interference was nothing more than the usual stuff in speed skating. The Russian's arm touched the Chinese skater and the American had a skate over the blue line which gave him no advantage at all.
> > >
> > > Since the summer games will be held in Tokyo, there are not likely to be these sorts of things. But no one cares, the real Olympics are the three Grand Tours. And you sure won't see and e-bike Olympics.
> > >
> > Don't be so sure about not seeing any e-bike Olympics. Wasn't formation swimming made an Olympic "sport" a few years ago? I have zero faith in blazers generally (anyone want to defend the UCI? -- we could do with a giggle), and the Olympic blazers are champions at self-important stupidity -- and corruption. -- AJ
> > >
> I think e-bikes are OK if that's your cup of tea, and if you don't want to get in shape by pedaling a regular bicycle. More personal choice generally being better, e-bikers should have the right to use all the same roads and trails that normal bikes use. I will confess, however to the slightest bit of mood perturbation when an e-biker passes me with a rather smug and supercilious look on his face, as if he's really faster than I am, when I am returning from a long, hard ride slowly because I'm all tired out.
The first self operated vehicle I owned was a Lambretta motor scooter. E-bikes are a slower version of the same thing so it isn't as if I had anything against them. But if you pretend that it is a sports bike and you don't have disabilities you're sort of fooling yourself.

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:46:43 PM UTC, William Crowell wrote:
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 10:29:36 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:43:03 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Yesterday while out on a ride I noticed that there was a groups of people stopped along the trail. They all had E-bikes so I guess there are groups of people that couldn't otherwise ride forming groups of clubs.
> > >
> > > Since I have yet to see e-bikes riding with regular riding groups, I wonder if the e-bike has a pox upon it?
> > >
> > > Another thing - I have been seeing more and more groups or clubs riding. While mostly it is 4 or 5 there was that one group in Alameda that appeared to be about 20 or so riders. It this is the case and they can bring themselves to stay together that really looks good for bicycling future. But if the usual faster guys continue to drop everyone, the riding groups will continue to be 4 or 5 people and the large scale clubs will slowly wilt and die off.
> > >
> > > This phony covid-19 was pretty carefully planned. Where do normal people learn of such illnesses? From the media? sure, but most people don't believe the media and few ever did after than 70's when it became clear that the government didn't mind lying to its citizens and the media would confirm everything the government said was absolute truth. Flower Power was a result of this.
> > >
> > > So they took another tack. They told nurses that some 85 year old man that died from a stroke was killed by covid-19. Why did they do that? Because they were paid $50,000 per reported civid-19 case to say so. Nurses are the inside track to the common man. After attending a stroke victim that got slowly worse and worse and being bedridden developed pneumonia and died on a ventilator, they were fairly easy to convince that this person gasping his last breaths on a machine had an incurable disease. So, they told all of their friends about this deadly disease and they told all their friends with the authority of a nurse. All experts of course.
> > >
> > > Now the common man is out of work and with most of his savings gone. So you cannot expect cycling to grow very rapidly when what used to be a cheap hobby has become a large portion of these people's incomes.
> > >
> > > There was an e-Bike shop adjacent to a path I normally take. It lasted perhaps 4 months and is now gone. The only thing that is supporting Trek and Specialized is their size and their ability to drastically cut staff.
> > >
> > > It is rather comical that used bikes have grown in expense to what new bikes used to cost. So even a higher end used bike can cost what they were new. Can you just imagine!
> > >
> > > If we could have the income we had during Trump, this hobby would now be overwhelming America. What do you see at the Olympics is China? China is expelling high end athletes for not being vaccinated and because they are still having their butts kicked, they have turned to a new tack - they are disqualifying people that are beating the Chinese. They just disqualified the American and Russian speed skaters for interfering with the Chinese skater. This interference was nothing more than the usual stuff in speed skating. The Russian's arm touched the Chinese skater and the American had a skate over the blue line which gave him no advantage at all.
> > >
> > > Since the summer games will be held in Tokyo, there are not likely to be these sorts of things. But no one cares, the real Olympics are the three Grand Tours. And you sure won't see and e-bike Olympics.
> > >
> > Don't be so sure about not seeing any e-bike Olympics. Wasn't formation swimming made an Olympic "sport" a few years ago? I have zero faith in blazers generally (anyone want to defend the UCI? -- we could do with a giggle), and the Olympic blazers are champions at self-important stupidity -- and corruption. -- AJ
> > >
> I think e-bikes are OK if that's your cup of tea, and if you don't want to get in shape by pedaling a regular bicycle. More personal choice generally being better, e-bikers should have the right to use all the same roads and trails that normal bikes use. I will confess, however to the slightest bit of mood perturbation when an e-biker passes me with a rather smug and supercilious look on his face, as if he's really faster than I am, when I am returning from a long, hard ride slowly because I'm all tired out.
>
There are two kinds of e-bike riders, those who use the motor to fill in the bits that age or disease have robbed them of, who are trying to remain fit, or possibly even get fitter. Before you scoff, consider the weight of the battery in a serious e-bike installation -- there ain't no such thing as a free lunch, and the battery has to be pedaled along too, especially if it is run flat. The other kind of e-bike rider wants an electric motorbike, and will soon be disillusioned with the range and maintenance demands of the battery when it is ridden at full power for hundred percent of every ride, and you'll be able to buy his e-bike cheaply.
>
I'm convinced, after speaking to many would-be e-bikers, who stop me on the street and offer to buy my e-bike which they believe has a magic ingredient which makes it better than their own (the magic ingredient is the constant care I lavish on the battery), that the guy who tells you he has never run his battery flat is the one I'll still see cycling next year.
>
Andre Jute
Observation is an education.
?

Andre Jute <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:46:43 PM UTC, William Crowell wrote:
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 10:29:36 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:43:03 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Yesterday while out on a ride I noticed that there was a groups of
>>>> people stopped along the trail. They all had E-bikes so I guess there
>>>> are groups of people that couldn't otherwise ride forming groups of clubs.
>>>>
>>>> Since I have yet to see e-bikes riding with regular riding groups, I
>>>> wonder if the e-bike has a pox upon it?
>>>>
>>>> Another thing - I have been seeing more and more groups or clubs
>>>> riding. While mostly it is 4 or 5 there was that one group in Alameda
>>>> that appeared to be about 20 or so riders. It this is the case and
>>>> they can bring themselves to stay together that really looks good for
>>>> bicycling future. But if the usual faster guys continue to drop
>>>> everyone, the riding groups will continue to be 4 or 5 people and the
>>>> large scale clubs will slowly wilt and die off.
>>>>
>>>> This phony covid-19 was pretty carefully planned. Where do normal
>>>> people learn of such illnesses? From the media? sure, but most people
>>>> don't believe the media and few ever did after than 70's when it
>>>> became clear that the government didn't mind lying to its citizens and
>>>> the media would confirm everything the government said was absolute
>>>> truth. Flower Power was a result of this.
>>>>
>>>> So they took another tack. They told nurses that some 85 year old man
>>>> that died from a stroke was killed by covid-19. Why did they do that?
>>>> Because they were paid $50,000 per reported civid-19 case to say so.
>>>> Nurses are the inside track to the common man. After attending a
>>>> stroke victim that got slowly worse and worse and being bedridden
>>>> developed pneumonia and died on a ventilator, they were fairly easy to
>>>> convince that this person gasping his last breaths on a machine had an
>>>> incurable disease. So, they told all of their friends about this
>>>> deadly disease and they told all their friends with the authority of a
>>>> nurse. All experts of course.
>>>>
>>>> Now the common man is out of work and with most of his savings gone.
>>>> So you cannot expect cycling to grow very rapidly when what used to be
>>>> a cheap hobby has become a large portion of these people's incomes.
>>>>
>>>> There was an e-Bike shop adjacent to a path I normally take. It lasted
>>>> perhaps 4 months and is now gone. The only thing that is supporting
>>>> Trek and Specialized is their size and their ability to drastically cut staff.
>>>>
>>>> It is rather comical that used bikes have grown in expense to what new
>>>> bikes used to cost. So even a higher end used bike can cost what they
>>>> were new. Can you just imagine!
>>>>
>>>> If we could have the income we had during Trump, this hobby would now
>>>> be overwhelming America. What do you see at the Olympics is China?
>>>> China is expelling high end athletes for not being vaccinated and
>>>> because they are still having their butts kicked, they have turned to
>>>> a new tack - they are disqualifying people that are beating the
>>>> Chinese. They just disqualified the American and Russian speed skaters
>>>> for interfering with the Chinese skater. This interference was nothing
>>>> more than the usual stuff in speed skating. The Russian's arm touched
>>>> the Chinese skater and the American had a skate over the blue line
>>>> which gave him no advantage at all.
>>>>
>>>> Since the summer games will be held in Tokyo, there are not likely to
>>>> be these sorts of things. But no one cares, the real Olympics are the
>>>> three Grand Tours. And you sure won't see and e-bike Olympics.
>>>>
>>> Don't be so sure about not seeing any e-bike Olympics. Wasn't formation
>>> swimming made an Olympic "sport" a few years ago? I have zero faith in
>>> blazers generally (anyone want to defend the UCI? -- we could do with a
>>> giggle), and the Olympic blazers are champions at self-important
>>> stupidity -- and corruption. -- AJ
>>>>
>> I think e-bikes are OK if that's your cup of tea, and if you don't want
>> to get in shape by pedaling a regular bicycle. More personal choice
>> generally being better, e-bikers should have the right to use all the
>> same roads and trails that normal bikes use. I will confess, however to
>> the slightest bit of mood perturbation when an e-biker passes me with a
>> rather smug and supercilious look on his face, as if he's really faster
>> than I am, when I am returning from a long, hard ride slowly because I'm all tired out.
>>
> There are two kinds of e-bike riders, those who use the motor to fill in
> the bits that age or disease have robbed them of, who are trying to
> remain fit, or possibly even get fitter. Before you scoff, consider the
> weight of the battery in a serious e-bike installation -- there ain't no
> such thing as a free lunch, and the battery has to be pedaled along too,
> especially if it is run flat. The other kind of e-bike rider wants an
> electric motorbike, and will soon be disillusioned with the range and
> maintenance demands of the battery when it is ridden at full power for
> hundred percent of every ride, and you'll be able to buy his e-bike cheaply.

See more than that personally, the 2nd not that often.

I see commuters much like E scooters some are really not safe but they are
out and about and not in a car so is that.

Plus and this is a area I’m watching is EMTB as the every torque can get
you up stuff you’d not manage even at the start of a ride, and certainly
not the end!

I must hire one some day to see what I think!
>>
> I'm convinced, after speaking to many would-be e-bikers, who stop me on
> the street and offer to buy my e-bike which they believe has a magic
> ingredient which makes it better than their own (the magic ingredient is
> the constant care I lavish on the battery), that the guy who tells you he
> has never run his battery flat is the one I'll still see cycling next year.
>>
> Andre Jute
> Observation is an education.
> ?
>
Roger Merriman

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:53:56 PM UTC, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Andre Jute <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:46:43 PM UTC, William Crowell wrote:
> >> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 10:29:36 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 3:43:03 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> Yesterday while out on a ride I noticed that there was a groups of
> >>>> people stopped along the trail. They all had E-bikes so I guess there
> >>>> are groups of people that couldn't otherwise ride forming groups of clubs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Since I have yet to see e-bikes riding with regular riding groups, I
> >>>> wonder if the e-bike has a pox upon it?
> >>>>
> >>>> Another thing - I have been seeing more and more groups or clubs
> >>>> riding. While mostly it is 4 or 5 there was that one group in Alameda
> >>>> that appeared to be about 20 or so riders. It this is the case and
> >>>> they can bring themselves to stay together that really looks good for
> >>>> bicycling future. But if the usual faster guys continue to drop
> >>>> everyone, the riding groups will continue to be 4 or 5 people and the
> >>>> large scale clubs will slowly wilt and die off.
> >>>>
> >>>> This phony covid-19 was pretty carefully planned. Where do normal
> >>>> people learn of such illnesses? From the media? sure, but most people
> >>>> don't believe the media and few ever did after than 70's when it
> >>>> became clear that the government didn't mind lying to its citizens and
> >>>> the media would confirm everything the government said was absolute
> >>>> truth. Flower Power was a result of this.
> >>>>
> >>>> So they took another tack. They told nurses that some 85 year old man
> >>>> that died from a stroke was killed by covid-19. Why did they do that?
> >>>> Because they were paid $50,000 per reported civid-19 case to say so.
> >>>> Nurses are the inside track to the common man. After attending a
> >>>> stroke victim that got slowly worse and worse and being bedridden
> >>>> developed pneumonia and died on a ventilator, they were fairly easy to
> >>>> convince that this person gasping his last breaths on a machine had an
> >>>> incurable disease. So, they told all of their friends about this
> >>>> deadly disease and they told all their friends with the authority of a
> >>>> nurse. All experts of course.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now the common man is out of work and with most of his savings gone.
> >>>> So you cannot expect cycling to grow very rapidly when what used to be
> >>>> a cheap hobby has become a large portion of these people's incomes.
> >>>>
> >>>> There was an e-Bike shop adjacent to a path I normally take. It lasted
> >>>> perhaps 4 months and is now gone. The only thing that is supporting
> >>>> Trek and Specialized is their size and their ability to drastically cut staff.
> >>>>
> >>>> It is rather comical that used bikes have grown in expense to what new
> >>>> bikes used to cost. So even a higher end used bike can cost what they
> >>>> were new. Can you just imagine!
> >>>>
> >>>> If we could have the income we had during Trump, this hobby would now
> >>>> be overwhelming America. What do you see at the Olympics is China?
> >>>> China is expelling high end athletes for not being vaccinated and
> >>>> because they are still having their butts kicked, they have turned to
> >>>> a new tack - they are disqualifying people that are beating the
> >>>> Chinese. They just disqualified the American and Russian speed skaters
> >>>> for interfering with the Chinese skater. This interference was nothing
> >>>> more than the usual stuff in speed skating. The Russian's arm touched
> >>>> the Chinese skater and the American had a skate over the blue line
> >>>> which gave him no advantage at all.
> >>>>
> >>>> Since the summer games will be held in Tokyo, there are not likely to
> >>>> be these sorts of things. But no one cares, the real Olympics are the
> >>>> three Grand Tours. And you sure won't see and e-bike Olympics.
> >>>>
> >>> Don't be so sure about not seeing any e-bike Olympics. Wasn't formation
> >>> swimming made an Olympic "sport" a few years ago? I have zero faith in
> >>> blazers generally (anyone want to defend the UCI? -- we could do with a
> >>> giggle), and the Olympic blazers are champions at self-important
> >>> stupidity -- and corruption. -- AJ
> >>>>
> >> I think e-bikes are OK if that's your cup of tea, and if you don't want
> >> to get in shape by pedaling a regular bicycle. More personal choice
> >> generally being better, e-bikers should have the right to use all the
> >> same roads and trails that normal bikes use. I will confess, however to
> >> the slightest bit of mood perturbation when an e-biker passes me with a
> >> rather smug and supercilious look on his face, as if he's really faster
> >> than I am, when I am returning from a long, hard ride slowly because I'm all tired out.
> >>
> > There are two kinds of e-bike riders, those who use the motor to fill in
> > the bits that age or disease have robbed them of, who are trying to
> > remain fit, or possibly even get fitter. Before you scoff, consider the
> > weight of the battery in a serious e-bike installation -- there ain't no
> > such thing as a free lunch, and the battery has to be pedaled along too,
> > especially if it is run flat. The other kind of e-bike rider wants an
> > electric motorbike, and will soon be disillusioned with the range and
> > maintenance demands of the battery when it is ridden at full power for
> > hundred percent of every ride, and you'll be able to buy his e-bike cheaply.
> See more than that personally, the 2nd not that often.
>
> I see commuters much like E scooters some are really not safe but they are
> out and about and not in a car so is that.
>
> Plus and this is a area I’m watching is EMTB as the every torque can get
> you up stuff you’d not manage even at the start of a ride, and certainly
> not the end!
>
> I must hire one some day to see what I think!
> >>
> > I'm convinced, after speaking to many would-be e-bikers, who stop me on
> > the street and offer to buy my e-bike which they believe has a magic
> > ingredient which makes it better than their own (the magic ingredient is
> > the constant care I lavish on the battery), that the guy who tells you he
> > has never run his battery flat is the one I'll still see cycling next year.
> >>
> > Andre Jute
> > Observation is an education.
> > ?
>
Look, listen, learn. -- AJ
>
> Roger Merriman