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* "Grocery Getter" bikeWilliam Crowell
+* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeTom Kunich
|`* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeTom Kunich
| +* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeAMuzi
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| |||| `- Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeMike A Schwab
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| |`- Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeAndre Jute
| +* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeFrank Krygowski
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| ||         ||`- Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeTom Kunich
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| ||         |||| `- Re: "Grocery Getter" bikerussellseaton1@yahoo.com
| ||         |||+* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeJohn B.
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| ||         ||||  |`- Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeJohn B.
| ||         ||||  +- Re: "Grocery Getter" bikerussellseaton1@yahoo.com
| ||         ||||  `* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikesms
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| ||         ||||    ||  |`* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeFrank Krygowski
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| ||         ||||    +* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeJohn B.
| ||         ||||    `* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikerussellseaton1@yahoo.com
| ||         |||`* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeJoy Beeson
| ||         ||`* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeFrank Krygowski
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| ||         |`* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeAndre Jute
| ||         `* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeTom Kunich
| |`* Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeRoger Merriman
| +- Re: "Grocery Getter" bikeJohn B.
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During the 1973 gasoline crunch I assembled this 26"-wheel Royce Union girly bike to take grocery shopping after a neighbor gave it to me when he moved.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UHii79azD9rYiokPYzHo6tzfns5H2Dum/view?usp=sharing

I think this bike was built in the '60s. It has a steel cottered crank, 4 wire baskets with front and rear racks, and I added the hi-riser bars so it is built for comfort, not for speed. The frame seems to be quite well made. (I think I've heard somewhere that Royce Union frames were pretty good; opinions?) It can carry two large ("40-lb.") bags of groceries in the back and two smaller ("35-lb.") bags in front; that's a lot of groceries!

I haven't ridden this bike in years because gas has been readily available and I do like to drive my cars to go shopping. I probably should repurpose this bike somehow. Any suggestions? Maybe it could be my guinea pig sandblast frame, to see whether my sandblasting technique destroys too many frame details. Then again, I could always tie a broom handle across the frame as a fake top tube, like we used to do when I was a kid, in order to avoid being embarrassed by riding a girl's bike. As if I care at my age.

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On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:40:22 PM UTC-8, William Crowell wrote:
> During the 1973 gasoline crunch I assembled this 26"-wheel Royce Union girly bike to take grocery shopping after a neighbor gave it to me when he moved.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UHii79azD9rYiokPYzHo6tzfns5H2Dum/view?usp=sharing
>
> I think this bike was built in the '60s. It has a steel cottered crank, 4 wire baskets with front and rear racks, and I added the hi-riser bars so it is built for comfort, not for speed. The frame seems to be quite well made. (I think I've heard somewhere that Royce Union frames were pretty good; opinions?) It can carry two large ("40-lb.") bags of groceries in the back and two smaller ("35-lb.") bags in front; that's a lot of groceries!
>
> I haven't ridden this bike in years because gas has been readily available and I do like to drive my cars to go shopping. I probably should repurpose this bike somehow. Any suggestions? Maybe it could be my guinea pig sandblast frame, to see whether my sandblasting technique destroys too many frame details. Then again, I could always tie a broom handle across the frame as a fake top tube, like we used to do when I was a kid, in order to avoid being embarrassed by riding a girl's bike. As if I care at my age.
I have a touring/grocery bike as well. I consider it a POS since it is a steel bike lugged with bar end shifters that only people that can't ride like to use. But the bike was built to tour with and in that regard where performance is focused on carrying weight it is acceptable.

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On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 6:51:06 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:40:22 PM UTC-8, William Crowell wrote:
> > During the 1973 gasoline crunch I assembled this 26"-wheel Royce Union girly bike to take grocery shopping after a neighbor gave it to me when he moved.
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UHii79azD9rYiokPYzHo6tzfns5H2Dum/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > I think this bike was built in the '60s. It has a steel cottered crank, 4 wire baskets with front and rear racks, and I added the hi-riser bars so it is built for comfort, not for speed. The frame seems to be quite well made. (I think I've heard somewhere that Royce Union frames were pretty good; opinions?) It can carry two large ("40-lb.") bags of groceries in the back and two smaller ("35-lb.") bags in front; that's a lot of groceries!
> >
> > I haven't ridden this bike in years because gas has been readily available and I do like to drive my cars to go shopping. I probably should repurpose this bike somehow. Any suggestions? Maybe it could be my guinea pig sandblast frame, to see whether my sandblasting technique destroys too many frame details. Then again, I could always tie a broom handle across the frame as a fake top tube, like we used to do when I was a kid, in order to avoid being embarrassed by riding a girl's bike. As if I care at my age.
> I have a touring/grocery bike as well. I consider it a POS since it is a steel bike lugged with bar end shifters that only people that can't ride like to use. But the bike was built to tour with and in that regard where performance is focused on carrying weight it is acceptable.
Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.

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On 2/8/2022 8:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 6:51:06 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:40:22 PM UTC-8, William Crowell wrote:
>>> During the 1973 gasoline crunch I assembled this 26"-wheel Royce Union girly bike to take grocery shopping after a neighbor gave it to me when he moved.
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UHii79azD9rYiokPYzHo6tzfns5H2Dum/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> I think this bike was built in the '60s. It has a steel cottered crank, 4 wire baskets with front and rear racks, and I added the hi-riser bars so it is built for comfort, not for speed. The frame seems to be quite well made. (I think I've heard somewhere that Royce Union frames were pretty good; opinions?) It can carry two large ("40-lb.") bags of groceries in the back and two smaller ("35-lb.") bags in front; that's a lot of groceries!
>>>
>>> I haven't ridden this bike in years because gas has been readily available and I do like to drive my cars to go shopping. I probably should repurpose this bike somehow. Any suggestions? Maybe it could be my guinea pig sandblast frame, to see whether my sandblasting technique destroys too many frame details. Then again, I could always tie a broom handle across the frame as a fake top tube, like we used to do when I was a kid, in order to avoid being embarrassed by riding a girl's bike. As if I care at my age.
>> I have a touring/grocery bike as well. I consider it a POS since it is a steel bike lugged with bar end shifters that only people that can't ride like to use. But the bike was built to tour with and in that regard where performance is focused on carrying weight it is acceptable.
>
> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
>

The rest of the world take our bike inside or, where that's
not possible, shops elsewhere.
http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/pumpkjul.jpg

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Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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 by: Frank Krygowski - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 18:01 UTC

On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.

Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
front brake lever:
https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg

Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
that!

--
- Frank Krygowski

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On 2/8/2022 9:38 AM, AMuzi wrote:

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> The rest of the world take our bike inside or, where that's not
> possible, shops elsewhere.
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/pumpkjul.jpg

Depends where you live. In my area you can park a bike in front of a
store and with a decent lock, even just a cable lock, it'll still be
there when you come out. Or you can take it into the store. However if
you park at some public places, like our library, you'll either want a
really good lock or you can use the Bikeep system
<https://walkbikecupertino.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/library-bike-racks-Bikeep.jpg>.

I have a "grocery-getter" bike with racks and such to ride to the store
because it's more practical than a road bike. I can also Bromp to the
store and put the bicycle into the shopping cart.

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 by: russellseaton1@yahoo - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 18:51 UTC

On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:40:22 PM UTC-6, William Crowell wrote:
> During the 1973 gasoline crunch I assembled this 26"-wheel Royce Union girly bike to take grocery shopping after a neighbor gave it to me when he moved.
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UHii79azD9rYiokPYzHo6tzfns5H2Dum/view?usp=sharing
>
> I think this bike was built in the '60s. It has a steel cottered crank, 4 wire baskets with front and rear racks, and I added the hi-riser bars so it is built for comfort, not for speed. The frame seems to be quite well made. (I think I've heard somewhere that Royce Union frames were pretty good; opinions?) It can carry two large ("40-lb.") bags of groceries in the back and two smaller ("35-lb.") bags in front; that's a lot of groceries!
>
> I haven't ridden this bike in years because gas has been readily available and I do like to drive my cars to go shopping. I probably should repurpose this bike somehow. Any suggestions? Maybe it could be my guinea pig sandblast frame, to see whether my sandblasting technique destroys too many frame details. Then again, I could always tie a broom handle across the frame as a fake top tube, like we used to do when I was a kid, in order to avoid being embarrassed by riding a girl's bike. As if I care at my age.

I had to blow up the picture of the headtube badge. But under the single star at the bottom of the headtube, it has "Made in Japan". I think the last word is Japan. Correct? I would assume Royce Union is English during the 1950s-1960s. But am I incorrect?

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 by: William Crowell - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 19:22 UTC

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 10:51:41 AM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 6:40:22 PM UTC-6, William Crowell wrote:
> > During the 1973 gasoline crunch I assembled this 26"-wheel Royce Union girly bike to take grocery shopping after a neighbor gave it to me when he moved.
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UHii79azD9rYiokPYzHo6tzfns5H2Dum/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > I think this bike was built in the '60s. It has a steel cottered crank, 4 wire baskets with front and rear racks, and I added the hi-riser bars so it is built for comfort, not for speed. The frame seems to be quite well made. (I think I've heard somewhere that Royce Union frames were pretty good; opinions?) It can carry two large ("40-lb.") bags of groceries in the back and two smaller ("35-lb.") bags in front; that's a lot of groceries!
> >
> > I haven't ridden this bike in years because gas has been readily available and I do like to drive my cars to go shopping. I probably should repurpose this bike somehow. Any suggestions? Maybe it could be my guinea pig sandblast frame, to see whether my sandblasting technique destroys too many frame details. Then again, I could always tie a broom handle across the frame as a fake top tube, like we used to do when I was a kid, in order to avoid being embarrassed by riding a girl's bike. As if I care at my age.
> I had to blow up the picture of the headtube badge. But under the single star at the bottom of the headtube, it has "Made in Japan". I think the last word is Japan. Correct? I would assume Royce Union is English during the 1950s-1960s. But am I incorrect?
Right, Russell, that's what it says. It sure looks like a pretty decent frame.

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 by: Frank Krygowski - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 19:22 UTC

On 2/8/2022 12:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> The rest of the world take our bike inside or, where that's not
> possible, shops elsewhere.
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/pumpkjul.jpg

When commuting by bike, I've almost always been able to take my bike
into the workplace. The only exception was a year-long temporary
assignment that was something like 30 miles away - too far to bike
anyway. They had a guard at the gate who checked ID passes each morning,
so were pretty strict in general.

I did ride there on Bike To Work Day. I wasn't allowed to take the bike
in, but the guard was happy to keep an eye on the bike for me.

I remember wondering about this issue when I started teaching at this
university. Another faculty member who also rode to work advised me
"Don't ask! Just do it!" And of course he was right.

However, another faculty friend had a son who liked to bike to school.
For whatever reason, the campus security guy would not let him stash his
bike in his father's office. I think the logic was something like "If we
let one student take his bike indoors, all the other students will want
to do that."

But I'm a big fan of asking forgiveness - if necessary - instead of
permission.

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 by: William Crowell - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 19:38 UTC

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 12:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > The rest of the world take our bike inside or, where that's not
> > possible, shops elsewhere.
> > http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/pumpkjul.jpg
> When commuting by bike, I've almost always been able to take my bike
> into the workplace. The only exception was a year-long temporary
> assignment that was something like 30 miles away - too far to bike
> anyway. They had a guard at the gate who checked ID passes each morning,
> so were pretty strict in general.
>
> I did ride there on Bike To Work Day. I wasn't allowed to take the bike
> in, but the guard was happy to keep an eye on the bike for me.
>
> I remember wondering about this issue when I started teaching at this
> university. Another faculty member who also rode to work advised me
> "Don't ask! Just do it!" And of course he was right.
>
> However, another faculty friend had a son who liked to bike to school.
> For whatever reason, the campus security guy would not let him stash his
> bike in his father's office. I think the logic was something like "If we
> let one student take his bike indoors, all the other students will want
> to do that."
>
> But I'm a big fan of asking forgiveness - if necessary - instead of
> permission.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
Frank, I really have a wild hair up my buttocks about workout gyms. Usually they not only won't let you bring your bike inside, but they also object to your keeping a large lock and chain on the premises. I decided not to tolerate this kind of disrespect for the customer because it happened when I inquired about membership at 2 gyms around here. So I decided to forego the gym workout and just ride my bike instead. The devil may take the dambed gyms, as far as I am concerned. I guess I just don't need to get buffed that badly after all.

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On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> > Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
> front brake lever:
> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
>
> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
> that!
>
In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars. In the 25 years I've been living here the only incident was about 15 years ago, when a neighbors kid down the street went into a bunch of the other unlocked cars in my neighborhood and stole loose change. One of my neighbors happened to see him in the act, turned on the porch light, then called his parents. They dragged him around the next day, made him give all the change back, and said he was available for the rest of the summer to mow my lawn for free.

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 by: William Crowell - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 19:49 UTC

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:38:58 AM UTC-8, William Crowell wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 2/8/2022 12:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >
> > > The rest of the world take our bike inside or, where that's not
> > > possible, shops elsewhere.
> > > http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/pumpkjul.jpg
> > When commuting by bike, I've almost always been able to take my bike
> > into the workplace. The only exception was a year-long temporary
> > assignment that was something like 30 miles away - too far to bike
> > anyway. They had a guard at the gate who checked ID passes each morning,
> > so were pretty strict in general.
> >
> > I did ride there on Bike To Work Day. I wasn't allowed to take the bike
> > in, but the guard was happy to keep an eye on the bike for me.
> >
> > I remember wondering about this issue when I started teaching at this
> > university. Another faculty member who also rode to work advised me
> > "Don't ask! Just do it!" And of course he was right.
> >
> > However, another faculty friend had a son who liked to bike to school.
> > For whatever reason, the campus security guy would not let him stash his
> > bike in his father's office. I think the logic was something like "If we
> > let one student take his bike indoors, all the other students will want
> > to do that."
> >
> > But I'm a big fan of asking forgiveness - if necessary - instead of
> > permission.
> >
> > --
> > - Frank Krygowski
> Frank, I really have a wild hair up my buttocks about workout gyms. Usually they not only won't let you bring your bike inside, but they also object to your keeping a large lock and chain on the premises. I decided not to tolerate this kind of disrespect for the customer because it happened when I inquired about membership at 2 gyms around here. So I decided to forego the gym workout and just ride my bike instead. The devil may take the dambed gyms, as far as I am concerned. I guess I just don't need to get buffed that badly after all.
Andrew, can you enlighten us at all about Royce Union bicycles?

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 by: William Crowell - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 19:53 UTC

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:48:18 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > >
> > > Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
> > Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
> > bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
> > front brake lever:
> > https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
> >
> > Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
> > community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
> > to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
> > that!
> >
> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars. In the 25 years I've been living here the only incident was about 15 years ago, when a neighbors kid down the street went into a bunch of the other unlocked cars in my neighborhood and stole loose change. One of my neighbors happened to see him in the act, turned on the porch light, then called his parents. They dragged him around the next day, made him give all the change back, and said he was available for the rest of the summer to mow my lawn for free.
You're lucky that the kid's parents were both on the same page with his punishment. These days the problem is that families are so unstable, and the parents are so busy sniping at each other, that they can't present a united front to their child, and the kid learns to exploit it and avoid the punishment.

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 by: Ralph Barone - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 20:24 UTC

William Crowell <retroguybilly@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/8/2022 12:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>
>>> The rest of the world take our bike inside or, where that's not
>>> possible, shops elsewhere.
>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/pumpkjul.jpg
>> When commuting by bike, I've almost always been able to take my bike
>> into the workplace. The only exception was a year-long temporary
>> assignment that was something like 30 miles away - too far to bike
>> anyway. They had a guard at the gate who checked ID passes each morning,
>> so were pretty strict in general.
>>
>> I did ride there on Bike To Work Day. I wasn't allowed to take the bike
>> in, but the guard was happy to keep an eye on the bike for me.
>>
>> I remember wondering about this issue when I started teaching at this
>> university. Another faculty member who also rode to work advised me
>> "Don't ask! Just do it!" And of course he was right.
>>
>> However, another faculty friend had a son who liked to bike to school.
>> For whatever reason, the campus security guy would not let him stash his
>> bike in his father's office. I think the logic was something like "If we
>> let one student take his bike indoors, all the other students will want
>> to do that."
>>
>> But I'm a big fan of asking forgiveness - if necessary - instead of
>> permission.
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
> Frank, I really have a wild hair up my buttocks about workout gyms.
> Usually they not only won't let you bring your bike inside, but they also
> object to your keeping a large lock and chain on the premises. I decided
> not to tolerate this kind of disrespect for the customer because it
> happened when I inquired about membership at 2 gyms around here. So I
> decided to forego the gym workout and just ride my bike instead. The
> devil may take the dambed gyms, as far as I am concerned. I guess I just
> don't need to get buffed that badly after all.
>

I think that parking a bicycle outside of a gym is sending the message “Why
are you paying money to sweat indoors when you could sweat outside for
free.” No wonder they didn’t like you.

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 by: Frank Krygowski - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 20:57 UTC

On 2/8/2022 3:24 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
> William Crowell <retroguybilly@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 2/8/2022 12:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The rest of the world take our bike inside or, where that's not
>>>> possible, shops elsewhere.
>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/pumpkjul.jpg
>>> When commuting by bike, I've almost always been able to take my bike
>>> into the workplace. The only exception was a year-long temporary
>>> assignment that was something like 30 miles away - too far to bike
>>> anyway. They had a guard at the gate who checked ID passes each morning,
>>> so were pretty strict in general.
>>>
>>> I did ride there on Bike To Work Day. I wasn't allowed to take the bike
>>> in, but the guard was happy to keep an eye on the bike for me.
>>>
>>> I remember wondering about this issue when I started teaching at this
>>> university. Another faculty member who also rode to work advised me
>>> "Don't ask! Just do it!" And of course he was right.
>>>
>>> However, another faculty friend had a son who liked to bike to school.
>>> For whatever reason, the campus security guy would not let him stash his
>>> bike in his father's office. I think the logic was something like "If we
>>> let one student take his bike indoors, all the other students will want
>>> to do that."
>>>
>>> But I'm a big fan of asking forgiveness - if necessary - instead of
>>> permission.
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> Frank, I really have a wild hair up my buttocks about workout gyms.
>> Usually they not only won't let you bring your bike inside, but they also
>> object to your keeping a large lock and chain on the premises. I decided
>> not to tolerate this kind of disrespect for the customer because it
>> happened when I inquired about membership at 2 gyms around here. So I
>> decided to forego the gym workout and just ride my bike instead. The
>> devil may take the dambed gyms, as far as I am concerned. I guess I just
>> don't need to get buffed that badly after all.
>>
>
> I think that parking a bicycle outside of a gym is sending the message “Why
> are you paying money to sweat indoors when you could sweat outside for
> free.” No wonder they didn’t like you.

I've never been a gym rat, but I recall watching someone drive around
and around a gym parking lot waiting to get a parking place close to the
door.

--
- Frank Krygowski

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 by: AMuzi - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 21:04 UTC

On 2/8/2022 1:49 PM, William Crowell wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:38:58 AM UTC-8, William Crowell wrote:
>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 2/8/2022 12:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The rest of the world take our bike inside or, where that's not
>>>> possible, shops elsewhere.
>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/pumpkjul.jpg
>>> When commuting by bike, I've almost always been able to take my bike
>>> into the workplace. The only exception was a year-long temporary
>>> assignment that was something like 30 miles away - too far to bike
>>> anyway. They had a guard at the gate who checked ID passes each morning,
>>> so were pretty strict in general.
>>>
>>> I did ride there on Bike To Work Day. I wasn't allowed to take the bike
>>> in, but the guard was happy to keep an eye on the bike for me.
>>>
>>> I remember wondering about this issue when I started teaching at this
>>> university. Another faculty member who also rode to work advised me
>>> "Don't ask! Just do it!" And of course he was right.
>>>
>>> However, another faculty friend had a son who liked to bike to school.
>>> For whatever reason, the campus security guy would not let him stash his
>>> bike in his father's office. I think the logic was something like "If we
>>> let one student take his bike indoors, all the other students will want
>>> to do that."
>>>
>>> But I'm a big fan of asking forgiveness - if necessary - instead of
>>> permission.
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> Frank, I really have a wild hair up my buttocks about workout gyms. Usually they not only won't let you bring your bike inside, but they also object to your keeping a large lock and chain on the premises. I decided not to tolerate this kind of disrespect for the customer because it happened when I inquired about membership at 2 gyms around here. So I decided to forego the gym workout and just ride my bike instead. The devil may take the dambed gyms, as far as I am concerned. I guess I just don't need to get buffed that badly after all.
> Andrew, can you enlighten us at all about Royce Union bicycles?
>

Not really. They were sold in general merchandise stores,
not LBS, likely a USA brand badged on various bicycles as
I've seen examples very different from one another.

Aha! A web search shows that's exactly it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/bicycleculture/comments/i9sy2d/royce_union_history/

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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 by: Tom Kunich - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 21:18 UTC

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:04:23 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 1:49 PM, William Crowell wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:38:58 AM UTC-8, William Crowell wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 2/8/2022 12:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> The rest of the world take our bike inside or, where that's not
> >>>> possible, shops elsewhere.
> >>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/pumpkjul.jpg
> >>> When commuting by bike, I've almost always been able to take my bike
> >>> into the workplace. The only exception was a year-long temporary
> >>> assignment that was something like 30 miles away - too far to bike
> >>> anyway. They had a guard at the gate who checked ID passes each morning,
> >>> so were pretty strict in general.
> >>>
> >>> I did ride there on Bike To Work Day. I wasn't allowed to take the bike
> >>> in, but the guard was happy to keep an eye on the bike for me.
> >>>
> >>> I remember wondering about this issue when I started teaching at this
> >>> university. Another faculty member who also rode to work advised me
> >>> "Don't ask! Just do it!" And of course he was right.
> >>>
> >>> However, another faculty friend had a son who liked to bike to school..
> >>> For whatever reason, the campus security guy would not let him stash his
> >>> bike in his father's office. I think the logic was something like "If we
> >>> let one student take his bike indoors, all the other students will want
> >>> to do that."
> >>>
> >>> But I'm a big fan of asking forgiveness - if necessary - instead of
> >>> permission.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> - Frank Krygowski
> >> Frank, I really have a wild hair up my buttocks about workout gyms. Usually they not only won't let you bring your bike inside, but they also object to your keeping a large lock and chain on the premises. I decided not to tolerate this kind of disrespect for the customer because it happened when I inquired about membership at 2 gyms around here. So I decided to forego the gym workout and just ride my bike instead. The devil may take the dambed gyms, as far as I am concerned. I guess I just don't need to get buffed that badly after all.
> > Andrew, can you enlighten us at all about Royce Union bicycles?
> >
> Not really. They were sold in general merchandise stores,
> not LBS, likely a USA brand badged on various bicycles as
> I've seen examples very different from one another.
>
> Aha! A web search shows that's exactly it:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/bicycleculture/comments/i9sy2d/royce_union_history/

They were mass market bikes that originated in the US but when production got cheaper in Japan that's where they were produced.

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 by: John B. - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 22:06 UTC

On Tue, 8 Feb 2022 06:55:49 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 6:51:06 AM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Monday, February 7, 2022 at 4:40:22 PM UTC-8, William Crowell wrote:
>> > During the 1973 gasoline crunch I assembled this 26"-wheel Royce Union girly bike to take grocery shopping after a neighbor gave it to me when he moved.
>> >
>> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UHii79azD9rYiokPYzHo6tzfns5H2Dum/view?usp=sharing
>> >
>> > I think this bike was built in the '60s. It has a steel cottered crank, 4 wire baskets with front and rear racks, and I added the hi-riser bars so it is built for comfort, not for speed. The frame seems to be quite well made. (I think I've heard somewhere that Royce Union frames were pretty good; opinions?) It can carry two large ("40-lb.") bags of groceries in the back and two smaller ("35-lb.") bags in front; that's a lot of groceries!
>> >
>> > I haven't ridden this bike in years because gas has been readily available and I do like to drive my cars to go shopping. I probably should repurpose this bike somehow. Any suggestions? Maybe it could be my guinea pig sandblast frame, to see whether my sandblasting technique destroys too many frame details. Then again, I could always tie a broom handle across the frame as a fake top tube, like we used to do when I was a kid, in order to avoid being embarrassed by riding a girl's bike. As if I care at my age.
>> I have a touring/grocery bike as well. I consider it a POS since it is a steel bike lugged with bar end shifters that only people that can't ride like to use. But the bike was built to tour with and in that regard where performance is focused on carrying weight it is acceptable.
>
>Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.

Really Tom? You need a big strong lock in America?

Thank God I live in this little, primitive, country where you can ride
your bike to the market without a lock.

And before you reply, yes, I do see them. Every morning, usually the
older generation shopping for the days groceries.
--
Cheers,

John B.

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 by: AMuzi - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 22:46 UTC

On 2/8/2022 2:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 3:24 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
>> William Crowell <retroguybilly@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-8, Frank
>>> Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 2/8/2022 12:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The rest of the world take our bike inside or, where
>>>>> that's not
>>>>> possible, shops elsewhere.
>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/pumpkjul.jpg
>>>> When commuting by bike, I've almost always been able to
>>>> take my bike
>>>> into the workplace. The only exception was a year-long
>>>> temporary
>>>> assignment that was something like 30 miles away - too
>>>> far to bike
>>>> anyway. They had a guard at the gate who checked ID
>>>> passes each morning,
>>>> so were pretty strict in general.
>>>>
>>>> I did ride there on Bike To Work Day. I wasn't allowed
>>>> to take the bike
>>>> in, but the guard was happy to keep an eye on the bike
>>>> for me.
>>>>
>>>> I remember wondering about this issue when I started
>>>> teaching at this
>>>> university. Another faculty member who also rode to work
>>>> advised me
>>>> "Don't ask! Just do it!" And of course he was right.
>>>>
>>>> However, another faculty friend had a son who liked to
>>>> bike to school.
>>>> For whatever reason, the campus security guy would not
>>>> let him stash his
>>>> bike in his father's office. I think the logic was
>>>> something like "If we
>>>> let one student take his bike indoors, all the other
>>>> students will want
>>>> to do that."
>>>>
>>>> But I'm a big fan of asking forgiveness - if necessary -
>>>> instead of
>>>> permission.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>> Frank, I really have a wild hair up my buttocks about
>>> workout gyms.
>>> Usually they not only won't let you bring your bike
>>> inside, but they also
>>> object to your keeping a large lock and chain on the
>>> premises. I decided
>>> not to tolerate this kind of disrespect for the customer
>>> because it
>>> happened when I inquired about membership at 2 gyms
>>> around here. So I
>>> decided to forego the gym workout and just ride my bike
>>> instead. The
>>> devil may take the dambed gyms, as far as I am
>>> concerned. I guess I just
>>> don't need to get buffed that badly after all.
>>>
>>
>> I think that parking a bicycle outside of a gym is sending
>> the message “Why
>> are you paying money to sweat indoors when you could sweat
>> outside for
>> free.” No wonder they didn’t like you.
>
> I've never been a gym rat, but I recall watching someone
> drive around and around a gym parking lot waiting to get a
> parking place close to the door.
>

That might be pathetic or, as happened to people I know,
driver may have been recovering from an injury with walking
impairment, on his way to cycle rehab. I don't know.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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 by: Tom Kunich - Tue, 8 Feb 2022 23:26 UTC

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 2:46:20 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 2:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 2/8/2022 3:24 PM, Ralph Barone wrote:
> >> William Crowell <retrog...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 11:22:55 AM UTC-8, Frank
> >>> Krygowski wrote:
> >>>> On 2/8/2022 12:38 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The rest of the world take our bike inside or, where
> >>>>> that's not
> >>>>> possible, shops elsewhere.
> >>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/pumpkjul.jpg
> >>>> When commuting by bike, I've almost always been able to
> >>>> take my bike
> >>>> into the workplace. The only exception was a year-long
> >>>> temporary
> >>>> assignment that was something like 30 miles away - too
> >>>> far to bike
> >>>> anyway. They had a guard at the gate who checked ID
> >>>> passes each morning,
> >>>> so were pretty strict in general.
> >>>>
> >>>> I did ride there on Bike To Work Day. I wasn't allowed
> >>>> to take the bike
> >>>> in, but the guard was happy to keep an eye on the bike
> >>>> for me.
> >>>>
> >>>> I remember wondering about this issue when I started
> >>>> teaching at this
> >>>> university. Another faculty member who also rode to work
> >>>> advised me
> >>>> "Don't ask! Just do it!" And of course he was right.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, another faculty friend had a son who liked to
> >>>> bike to school.
> >>>> For whatever reason, the campus security guy would not
> >>>> let him stash his
> >>>> bike in his father's office. I think the logic was
> >>>> something like "If we
> >>>> let one student take his bike indoors, all the other
> >>>> students will want
> >>>> to do that."
> >>>>
> >>>> But I'm a big fan of asking forgiveness - if necessary -
> >>>> instead of
> >>>> permission.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>> Frank, I really have a wild hair up my buttocks about
> >>> workout gyms.
> >>> Usually they not only won't let you bring your bike
> >>> inside, but they also
> >>> object to your keeping a large lock and chain on the
> >>> premises. I decided
> >>> not to tolerate this kind of disrespect for the customer
> >>> because it
> >>> happened when I inquired about membership at 2 gyms
> >>> around here. So I
> >>> decided to forego the gym workout and just ride my bike
> >>> instead. The
> >>> devil may take the dambed gyms, as far as I am
> >>> concerned. I guess I just
> >>> don't need to get buffed that badly after all.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I think that parking a bicycle outside of a gym is sending
> >> the message “Why
> >> are you paying money to sweat indoors when you could sweat
> >> outside for
> >> free.†No wonder they didn’t like you.
> >
> > I've never been a gym rat, but I recall watching someone
> > drive around and around a gym parking lot waiting to get a
> > parking place close to the door.
> >
> That might be pathetic or, as happened to people I know,
> driver may have been recovering from an injury with walking
> impairment, on his way to cycle rehab. I don't know.
When my C40 crashed me into that ditch, I was barely walking and my friend came back and discovered me limping down the hill. That put me into physical therapy for a month and I had to park next to the door to make it to the elevator to get up to the third floor where the exercise machines were. Can't say I would buy another bike like that C40 with that thin carbon fork. Do you suppose that is where they got the idea for "compliance"?

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Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a
>> large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike
>> isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out.
>> This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden,
>> continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town.
>> And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he
>> will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
>
> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
> front brake lever:
> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
>
> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
> that!
>
>
My commute bike has D lock and cable, this said I don’t use it often but at
home. I do live in London which has some safe and some not so safe areas.

I do have a cafe lock for the MTB/Gravel bike which is handy for make sure
no one just walks away with it!

Roger Merriman

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 by: Frank Krygowski - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 02:21 UTC

On 2/8/2022 5:46 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 2:57 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>> I've never been a gym rat, but I recall watching someone
>> drive around and around a gym parking lot waiting to get a
>> parking place close to the door.
>>
>
> That might be pathetic or, as happened to people I know, driver may have
> been recovering from an injury with walking impairment, on his way to
> cycle rehab. I don't know.

I suppose that's possible, thanks. I should try to be less judgmental.

--
- Frank Krygowski

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> My commute bike has D lock and cable, this said I don’t use it often but at
> home. I do live in London which has some safe and some not so safe areas.

<snip>

Same in most places. Property crime rates vary greatly among California
cities
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_locations_by_crime_rate#Cities_and_other_agencies>/

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 by: Frank Krygowski - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 02:43 UTC

On 2/8/2022 9:24 PM, sms wrote:
> On 2/8/2022 3:59 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> My commute bike has D lock and cable, this said I don’t use it often
>> but at
>> home. I do live in London which has some safe and some not so safe areas.
>
> <snip>
>
> Same in most places. Property crime rates vary greatly among California
> cities
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_locations_by_crime_rate#Cities_and_other_agencies>/

True story from our life down south: We had a house with a carport, not
a garage. Our son's new Huffy (ten speed, 24" wheels) was parked in the
carport, but we supplied him with a chain and combination lock to lock
it to the house structure.

One day the bike disappeared. Turned out he was locking it, so he
thought; but he only wound the chain around the crank, not through the
frame. We felt bad, at least until two days later.

That's when a young boy (maybe 8?) from an adjacent neighborhood came
walking over with the bike. He was being led by his slightly older
sister who had him firmly by the ear.

She made him apologize for stealing the bike, which he did. Then she
said "I told him, 'You can't steal _that_ bike! That's a GOOD bike!'"

--
- Frank Krygowski

Re: "Grocery Getter" bike

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Subject: Re: "Grocery Getter" bike
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 by: Rolf Mantel - Wed, 9 Feb 2022 08:52 UTC

Am 08.02.2022 um 20:48 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 1:01:24 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/8/2022 9:55 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>> Around here one of the most important things on a grocery bike is a large and strong lock. You have to go into the store and if your bike isn't pinned solidly to something it won't be there when you come out. This will soon be coming to Frank's town as the love of his life, Biden, continues to secretly in the dead of night send criminals into his town. And he thinks that my place is a hell hole. One can only imagine what he will have to say when he is afraid to go on a bicycle ride.
>> Tom, we frequently ride to the grocery store. We don't even lock our
>> bikes. The most we've ever done is jam something like this into the
>> front brake lever:
>> https://randalputnam.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/sb.jpg
>>
>> Can you please give me a specific date you think our pleasant and safe
>> community will turn into your hellhole? When that date arrives, I'd like
>> to update everyone on the accuracy of your prediction. Surely you'd like
>> that!
>>
> In my democrat-run hellhole we don't lock our house or cars.

My sister lives in a place like that. One day, the police came around
for some other purpose, did not find anything illegal and then wrote a
€20 ticket for "abetting potential car theft"; You must keep your car
locked when it's parked on a public road.

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