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* Off road hazardsFrank Krygowski
`* Re: Off road hazardsFrank Krygowski
 +* Re: Off road hazardsJohn B.
 |`* Re: Off road hazardsRoger Merriman
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 | | `- Re: Off road hazardsTom Kunich
 | `* Re: Off road hazardsJohn B.
 |  `- Re: Off road hazardsRoger Merriman
 `* Re: Off road hazardsTom Kunich
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  ||+* Re: Off road hazardsrussellseaton1@yahoo.com
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  |||`- Re: Off road hazardsFrank Krygowski
  ||`* Re: Off road hazardsTom Kunich
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 by: Frank Krygowski - Wed, 16 Feb 2022 18:20 UTC

And off road hazard:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bicyclists-captured-video-being-attacked-131210101.html

Joerg, is that you?

--
- Frank Krygowski

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 by: Frank Krygowski - Thu, 17 Feb 2022 00:23 UTC

On 2/16/2022 4:44 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:20:32 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> And off road hazard:
>>
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/bicyclists-captured-video-being-attacked-131210101.html
>>
>> Joerg, is that you?
>
> I saw that on MTBR. Scary stuff.

It's an interesting counterpoint to "I only want to ride off road,
because it's too dangerous to ride around cars."

--
- Frank Krygowski

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From: slocom...@gmail.com (John B.)
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 by: John B. - Thu, 17 Feb 2022 06:14 UTC

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:52:44 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:23:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 2/16/2022 4:44 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:20:32 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> And off road hazard:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/bicyclists-captured-video-being-attacked-131210101.html
>>>>
>>>> Joerg, is that you?
>
>>> I saw that on MTBR. Scary stuff.
>
>>It's an interesting counterpoint to "I only want to ride off road,
>>because it's too dangerous to ride around cars."
>
>Be sure to look over your shoulder during your next group ride. You
>never know what might join your group:
><https://www.google.com/search?q=bear+riding+bicycle&tbm=isch>
>
>I seem to recall their motto is "To Bear the Unbearable".

I watched the "bull video" and frankly I thought it primarily
portrayed the ignorance of the cyclists. Any "country boy" will tell
you that male animals, and some female, will defend "their" territory,
often with considerable diligence.

Ah well, I'll tell you the story about the "rabbit berries" another
time, but while certainly the country boy may be at loss in the big
city certainly the "city slicker" will be equally at a loss in the
country. And if one is going to ride a bicycle in an area where there
might be unfenced cattle one might better learn the differences
between the "boys" and the "girls" :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

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John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:52:44 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:23:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/16/2022 4:44 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:20:32 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> And off road hazard:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/bicyclists-captured-video-being-attacked-131210101.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Joerg, is that you?
>>
>>>> I saw that on MTBR. Scary stuff.
>>
>>> It's an interesting counterpoint to "I only want to ride off road,
>>> because it's too dangerous to ride around cars."
>>
>> Be sure to look over your shoulder during your next group ride. You
>> never know what might join your group:
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=bear+riding+bicycle&tbm=isch>
>>
>> I seem to recall their motto is "To Bear the Unbearable".
>
> I watched the "bull video" and frankly I thought it primarily
> portrayed the ignorance of the cyclists. Any "country boy" will tell
> you that male animals, and some female, will defend "their" territory,
> often with considerable diligence.
>
> Ah well, I'll tell you the story about the "rabbit berries" another
> time, but while certainly the country boy may be at loss in the big
> city certainly the "city slicker" will be equally at a loss in the
> country. And if one is going to ride a bicycle in an area where there
> might be unfenced cattle one might better learn the differences
> between the "boys" and the "girls" :-)

Even in London’s royal parks if one pushes your luck with the deer, ie too
close to bucks during the rut, or doe’s if they have young.

Generally dogs that take the brunt ie killed. As their owners are ignorant
of all the warnings the deer give.

Roger Merriman

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 by: Frank Krygowski - Thu, 17 Feb 2022 18:06 UTC

On 2/17/2022 6:43 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I watched the "bull video" and frankly I thought it primarily
>> portrayed the ignorance of the cyclists. Any "country boy" will tell
>> you that male animals, and some female, will defend "their" territory,
>> often with considerable diligence.
>>
>> Ah well, I'll tell you the story about the "rabbit berries" another
>> time, but while certainly the country boy may be at loss in the big
>> city certainly the "city slicker" will be equally at a loss in the
>> country. And if one is going to ride a bicycle in an area where there
>> might be unfenced cattle one might better learn the differences
>> between the "boys" and the "girls" :-)
>
> Even in London’s royal parks if one pushes your luck with the deer, ie too
> close to bucks during the rut, or doe’s if they have young.
>
> Generally dogs that take the brunt ie killed. As their owners are ignorant
> of all the warnings the deer give.

On one bike tour, we left the Georgetown neighborhood of Washington D.C.
and began riding the C & O Towpath Trail. At the time, there were dozens
of Canada Geese aside the trail, with goslings about a foot high. The
geese were amazingly aggressive, charging at us hissing and flapping.

There's been a goose population explosion for at least ten years around
here. They're picturesque flying at a distance, but ugly poop generators
up close, fouling park lands all around. I'm astonished they're still
protected.

--
- Frank Krygowski

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 by: Tom Kunich - Thu, 17 Feb 2022 18:35 UTC

On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 7:52:53 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:23:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 2/16/2022 4:44 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:20:32 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> And off road hazard:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/bicyclists-captured-video-being-attacked-131210101.html
> >>>
> >>> Joerg, is that you?
>
> >> I saw that on MTBR. Scary stuff.
>
> >It's an interesting counterpoint to "I only want to ride off road,
> >because it's too dangerous to ride around cars."
> Be sure to look over your shoulder during your next group ride. You
> never know what might join your group:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=bear+riding+bicycle&tbm=isch>
>
> I seem to recall their motto is "To Bear the Unbearable".

Jeff, latest papers in the Journal of the American Medical Association are showing over a doubling of the chance of a heart attack for anyone that took the mRNA vaccines. This is a permanent disability. And an almost unbelievable increase of 8,400% increase in the chance of endomyelitis (arrhythmia) within days of mRNA vaccinations.. Although they didn't study that long enough to ascertain the chances of that being permanent I can tell you that my 90 year old friend recently started having arrhythmia after a booster.

You hinted that you have been having health problems lately and if you've had vaccinations perhaps you should have a heart specialist consult with you.. I mention this for no other reason than your personal health.

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On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 10:06:25 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/17/2022 6:43 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I watched the "bull video" and frankly I thought it primarily
> >> portrayed the ignorance of the cyclists. Any "country boy" will tell
> >> you that male animals, and some female, will defend "their" territory,
> >> often with considerable diligence.
> >>
> >> Ah well, I'll tell you the story about the "rabbit berries" another
> >> time, but while certainly the country boy may be at loss in the big
> >> city certainly the "city slicker" will be equally at a loss in the
> >> country. And if one is going to ride a bicycle in an area where there
> >> might be unfenced cattle one might better learn the differences
> >> between the "boys" and the "girls" :-)
> >
> > Even in London’s royal parks if one pushes your luck with the deer, ie too
> > close to bucks during the rut, or doe’s if they have young.
> >
> > Generally dogs that take the brunt ie killed. As their owners are ignorant
> > of all the warnings the deer give.
> On one bike tour, we left the Georgetown neighborhood of Washington D.C.
> and began riding the C & O Towpath Trail. At the time, there were dozens
> of Canada Geese aside the trail, with goslings about a foot high. The
> geese were amazingly aggressive, charging at us hissing and flapping.
>
> There's been a goose population explosion for at least ten years around
> here. They're picturesque flying at a distance, but ugly poop generators
> up close, fouling park lands all around. I'm astonished they're still
> protected.

Why the geese congregate around the bay trail I don't know. Certainly there aren't any small fish in that area. But they are aware enough of bicycles that they avoid them. Though children are another matter.

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On 2/17/2022 12:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/17/2022 6:43 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I watched the "bull video" and frankly I thought it
>>> primarily
>>> portrayed the ignorance of the cyclists. Any "country
>>> boy" will tell
>>> you that male animals, and some female, will defend
>>> "their" territory,
>>> often with considerable diligence.
>>>
>>> Ah well, I'll tell you the story about the "rabbit
>>> berries" another
>>> time, but while certainly the country boy may be at loss
>>> in the big
>>> city certainly the "city slicker" will be equally at a
>>> loss in the
>>> country. And if one is going to ride a bicycle in an area
>>> where there
>>> might be unfenced cattle one might better learn the
>>> differences
>>> between the "boys" and the "girls" :-)
>>
>> Even in London’s royal parks if one pushes your luck
>> with the deer, ie too
>> close to bucks during the rut, or doe’s if they have young.
>>
>> Generally dogs that take the brunt ie killed. As their
>> owners are ignorant
>> of all the warnings the deer give.
>
> On one bike tour, we left the Georgetown neighborhood of
> Washington D.C. and began riding the C & O Towpath Trail. At
> the time, there were dozens of Canada Geese aside the trail,
> with goslings about a foot high. The geese were amazingly
> aggressive, charging at us hissing and flapping.
>
> There's been a goose population explosion for at least ten
> years around here. They're picturesque flying at a distance,
> but ugly poop generators up close, fouling park lands all
> around. I'm astonished they're still protected.
>
>

+1 on the geese.

Could be worse.

Here, besides geese, The Powers That Be reintroduced actual
wolves after the citizenry had successfully eliminated the
threat. Now that they have bred for a few years, there are
something well over 1000*. The 'target population' is 350.
And yet, like geese, can't kill the things.

* no one actually knows, State DNR (experts!!) says between
1000 and 1400. Maybe.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 12:10:22 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:35:58 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Jeff, latest papers in the Journal of the American Medical Association
> Which article?
> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/currentissue>
> >are showing over a doubling of the chance of a heart attack for anyone that took the mRNA vaccines. This is a permanent disability. And an almost unbelievable increase of 8,400% increase in the chance of endomyelitis (arrhythmia)
> There's no such thing as endomyelitis:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=endomyelitis>
> Endo means within, "inner, absorbing, or containing". Myelitis is the
> inflammation of the spinal cord.
> >within days of mRNA vaccinations.. Although they didn't study that long enough to ascertain the chances of that being permanent I can tell you that my 90 year old friend recently started having arrhythmia after a booster.
> Arrhythmia covers a broad range of "irregular heart beat" problems. I
> have a history of PVC (premature ventricular contractions) which is a
> form of arrhythmia. I monitor my situation with several heart
> monitors. I saw no change after the first Pfizer vaccination and
> after the booster. However, I did see an increase in the degree of
> irregularity a few hours afterwards, which faded back to normal by the
> next day.
> >You hinted that you have been having health problems lately and if you've had vaccinations perhaps you should have a heart specialist consult with you. I mention this for no other reason than your personal health.
> I have an appointment with my cardiologist every 6 months. I also run
> my own blood tests prior to each visit.
>
> Thanks for your concern.

My mistake, that was a typo which you always find so appalling Endocarditis

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 11:43:26 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
<roger@sarlet.com> wrote:

>John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:52:44 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:23:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/16/2022 4:44 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:20:32 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> And off road hazard:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/bicyclists-captured-video-being-attacked-131210101.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joerg, is that you?
>>>
>>>>> I saw that on MTBR. Scary stuff.
>>>
>>>> It's an interesting counterpoint to "I only want to ride off road,
>>>> because it's too dangerous to ride around cars."
>>>
>>> Be sure to look over your shoulder during your next group ride. You
>>> never know what might join your group:
>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=bear+riding+bicycle&tbm=isch>
>>>
>>> I seem to recall their motto is "To Bear the Unbearable".
>>
>> I watched the "bull video" and frankly I thought it primarily
>> portrayed the ignorance of the cyclists. Any "country boy" will tell
>> you that male animals, and some female, will defend "their" territory,
>> often with considerable diligence.
>>
>> Ah well, I'll tell you the story about the "rabbit berries" another
>> time, but while certainly the country boy may be at loss in the big
>> city certainly the "city slicker" will be equally at a loss in the
>> country. And if one is going to ride a bicycle in an area where there
>> might be unfenced cattle one might better learn the differences
>> between the "boys" and the "girls" :-)
>
>Even in London’s royal parks if one pushes your luck with the deer, ie too
>close to bucks during the rut, or doe’s if they have young.
>
>Generally dogs that take the brunt ie killed. As their owners are ignorant
>of all the warnings the deer give.
>
>Roger Merriman

Dogs are very territorial. I walk in the morning for exercise and at
one end of my route a number of dogs will come roaring out when I get
close but they run up to a certain corner in the road and go no
further as apparently that is the limit of "their" territory.
--
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John B.

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 12:10:13 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:35:58 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Jeff, latest papers in the Journal of the American Medical Association
>
>Which article?
><https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/currentissue>
>
>>are showing over a doubling of the chance of a heart attack for anyone that took the mRNA vaccines. This is a permanent disability. And an almost unbelievable increase of 8,400% increase in the chance of endomyelitis (arrhythmia)
>
>There's no such thing as endomyelitis:
><https://www.google.com/search?q=endomyelitis>
>Endo means within, "inner, absorbing, or containing". Myelitis is the
>inflammation of the spinal cord.
>
>>within days of mRNA vaccinations.. Although they didn't study that long enough to ascertain the chances of that being permanent I can tell you that my 90 year old friend recently started having arrhythmia after a booster.
>
>Arrhythmia covers a broad range of "irregular heart beat" problems. I
>have a history of PVC (premature ventricular contractions) which is a
>form of arrhythmia. I monitor my situation with several heart
>monitors. I saw no change after the first Pfizer vaccination and
>after the booster. However, I did see an increase in the degree of
>irregularity a few hours afterwards, which faded back to normal by the
>next day.
>
>>You hinted that you have been having health problems lately and if you've had vaccinations perhaps you should have a heart specialist consult with you. I mention this for no other reason than your personal health.
>
>I have an appointment with my cardiologist every 6 months. I also run
>my own blood tests prior to each visit.
>
>Thanks for your concern.

Some months ago, when I had my last appointment with my cardiologist
and he asked me whether I had been vaccinated and pointed out that
both I and my wife, being elderly, were eligible for free vaccination
and he strongly recommended that "older persons" have it.

I would also point out that this was at one of the largest hospitals
in Bangkok and he is the senior cardiologist...

--
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John B.

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 by: Tom Kunich - Thu, 17 Feb 2022 23:00 UTC

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 1:10:48 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/17/2022 12:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 2/17/2022 6:43 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> >> John B. <sloc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I watched the "bull video" and frankly I thought it
> >>> primarily
> >>> portrayed the ignorance of the cyclists. Any "country
> >>> boy" will tell
> >>> you that male animals, and some female, will defend
> >>> "their" territory,
> >>> often with considerable diligence.
> >>>
> >>> Ah well, I'll tell you the story about the "rabbit
> >>> berries" another
> >>> time, but while certainly the country boy may be at loss
> >>> in the big
> >>> city certainly the "city slicker" will be equally at a
> >>> loss in the
> >>> country. And if one is going to ride a bicycle in an area
> >>> where there
> >>> might be unfenced cattle one might better learn the
> >>> differences
> >>> between the "boys" and the "girls" :-)
> >>
> >> Even in London’s royal parks if one pushes your luck
> >> with the deer, ie too
> >> close to bucks during the rut, or doe’s if they have young.
> >>
> >> Generally dogs that take the brunt ie killed. As their
> >> owners are ignorant
> >> of all the warnings the deer give.
> >
> > On one bike tour, we left the Georgetown neighborhood of
> > Washington D.C. and began riding the C & O Towpath Trail. At
> > the time, there were dozens of Canada Geese aside the trail,
> > with goslings about a foot high. The geese were amazingly
> > aggressive, charging at us hissing and flapping.
> >
> > There's been a goose population explosion for at least ten
> > years around here. They're picturesque flying at a distance,
> > but ugly poop generators up close, fouling park lands all
> > around. I'm astonished they're still protected.
> >
> >
> +1 on the geese.
>
> Could be worse.
>
> Here, besides geese, The Powers That Be reintroduced actual
> wolves after the citizenry had successfully eliminated the
> threat. Now that they have bred for a few years, there are
> something well over 1000*. The 'target population' is 350.
> And yet, like geese, can't kill the things.
>
> * no one actually knows, State DNR (experts!!) says between
> 1000 and 1400. Maybe.

Remember when I related seeing a wolf running full out across the side of Mt. Hamilton (highest peak in the bay area) and had nothing but screams that there were no wolves in California? Obviously these people are naturalists and are always damned sure about everything they write. I noted that before when one of them spied a snake on the road and started screaming, "KILL IT KILL IT" and almost went into shock when I picked it up and moved it over so that it could escape into the fenced off undergrowth. It was nothing more than a completely harmless common garter snake.

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On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 3:25:21 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 14:43:49 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >My mistake, that was a typo which you always find so appalling Endocarditis
> Endocarditis might be a real problem, but not this time:
> <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/endocarditis/symptoms-causes/syc-20352576>
> I had that problem on Sept 27, 2021. Symptoms were a very mild and
> continuous chest pain centered around the heart. Nothing else. After
> 3 days of mostly ignoring the problem, I was kidnapped by some friends
> and dropped off at the Dominican Hospital ER (emergency room) at
> around midnight. I spent 16 hrs getting tested for most everything
> possible, including covid-19 antibodies, but nothing was found. They
> were going to continue until something could be found when my
> cardiologist arrived and rescued me from might have turned out to be
> endless testing. Over the next 4 days, the pains slowly diminished
> and eventually disappeared not to return. At this time, I have no
> clue what caused it or any certainty that it was endocarditis.
>
> Of course, I asked the hospital doctor and my cardiologist if this was
> in any way connected my previous covid-19 vaccination shots on Apr 3
> and May 1, 2021. Unlikely because they were 6 months ago. I received
> the booster shot on Dec 5, 2021, which is also unlikely unless you
> believe reverse time shift causality inversion.
>
> What I find appalling is that you can't even write a one line
> correction without also insulting the person who found your mistake.
> Everyone makes typo and spelling errors, which would rarely need
> public attention. However, 100% wrong batting average and amazing
> wrong facts deserves some attention in the vain hope that you might do
> something to fix the problem.
>
> Incidentally, you forgot to provide a link to the JAMA article you
> mentioned.

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712 Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning

Or you can get a better explanation of the paper from Dr. Campbell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBGl8MVE-c&t=102s

Also see http://indepthnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/COVID-Report-from-Rep.-Weyler-3.pdf

"VAERS data from the American CDC shows that as of September 17, 2021, already 726,963 people
suffered adverse events, including stroke, heart failure, blood clots, brain disorders, convulsions,
seizures, inflammations of brain & spinal cord, life-threatening allergic reactions, autoimmune
diseases, arthritis, miscarriage, infertility, rapid-onset muscle weakness, deafness, blindness,
narcolepsy, and cataplexy. Besides the astronomical number of severe side effects, the CDC reports
that almost 15,386 people died as a result of receiving the experimental injections. However, a CDC
healthcare fraud detection expert named Jane Doe investigated this and came to the shocking
discovery that the number of deaths is at least five times higher than what the CDC is admitting. In
fact, in her initial communications to professor in medicine Dr. Peter McCullough, this whistleblower
said that the number of deaths is ten times higher. The CDC health fraud detection expert signed an
affidavit, in which she stated her findings. She carefully chose the wordings '...under-reported by a
conservative factor of at least five', but as she revealed initially, the factor could also be ten. Here
is an excerpt of the affidavit: 1
'I have, over the last 25 years, developed over 100 distinct healthcare fraud detection
algorithms. ... When the COVID-19 vaccine clearly became associated with patient death and
harm, I was inclined to investigate the matter. It is my professional estimate that VAERS (the
Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) database, while extremely useful, is under-reported
by a conservative factor of at least 5. ... and have assessed that the deaths occurring within 3
days of vaccination are higher than those reported in VAERS by a factor of at least 5.'
The CDC is also vastly underreporting other adverse events, like severe allergic reactions
(anaphylaxis). The Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) reported that a study showed how the
actual number of anaphylaxis is 50 to 120 times higher than claimed by the CDC.2, 3 On top of that, a
private researcher took a close look at the VAERS database, and tried looking up specific case-ID’s"

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 16:40:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 05:58:26 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>Some months ago, when I had my last appointment with my cardiologist
>>and he asked me whether I had been vaccinated and pointed out that
>>both I and my wife, being elderly, were eligible for free vaccination
>>and he strongly recommended that "older persons" have it.
>>
>>I would also point out that this was at one of the largest hospitals
>>in Bangkok and he is the senior cardiologist...
>
>Thanks. I've had similar advice some another doctor. The greatest
>risks of both Covid fatalities and adverse reactions are among
>seniors.
>
>Unfortunately the medical profession is very much adverse to taking
>risks. If there's the slightest chance that things might go wrong,
>they will refuse to do the work or approve the treatment[1].
>Currently, rDNA is all new, with plenty of unknowns involved. I
>wouldn't blame the doctor for taking a "safe" position on vaccination.
>
>I don't know how malpractice insurance works in Thailand, but in
>California, it has forced many changes, such as many independent
>practitioners joining medical groups so as to have an effective
>defense against lawsuits. I'm seeing some medical decisions being
>made based heavily on legal exposure.
>
>
>[1] I've had this problem when my urologist wanted to have kidney
>stone surgery outsourced to a clinic in order to save money.
>Everything was approved and blessed by the clinic several weeks in
>advance. The day before the scheduled operation, someone at the
>clinic discovered that I had a heart problem which was thought to be
>too much of a risk. Surgery was cancelled at the last moment. My
>guess(tm) is that the doctors didn't have a problem, but the lawyers
>hired by the clinic were paranoid.

The hospital and doctor I mentioned are "Government Hospitals". We
have both Government and Private hospitals here. the major difference
is that for a Thai citizen, they pay 30 baht - about 1 hour's minimum
wages, per visit and anything that the doctor in the Government
Hospital prescribes is covered by that 30 baht. The so called Private
hospitals charges are as much as 10 times, or more, higher.

So... malpractice suits, would entail, in most cases essentially suing
the government so one's chances of winning such a case is, well...
negligible.

But lets be honest, liability cases in the U.S. have reached the point
of the ridiculous, if not the bizarre. I just read that Remington just
paid several million to settle a clam that they had sold a rifle which
was then used to kill someone.
--
Cheers,

John B.

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 by: AMuzi - Fri, 18 Feb 2022 02:34 UTC

On 2/17/2022 7:45 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 16:40:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 05:58:26 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Some months ago, when I had my last appointment with my cardiologist
>>> and he asked me whether I had been vaccinated and pointed out that
>>> both I and my wife, being elderly, were eligible for free vaccination
>>> and he strongly recommended that "older persons" have it.
>>>
>>> I would also point out that this was at one of the largest hospitals
>>> in Bangkok and he is the senior cardiologist...
>>
>> Thanks. I've had similar advice some another doctor. The greatest
>> risks of both Covid fatalities and adverse reactions are among
>> seniors.
>>
>> Unfortunately the medical profession is very much adverse to taking
>> risks. If there's the slightest chance that things might go wrong,
>> they will refuse to do the work or approve the treatment[1].
>> Currently, rDNA is all new, with plenty of unknowns involved. I
>> wouldn't blame the doctor for taking a "safe" position on vaccination.
>>
>> I don't know how malpractice insurance works in Thailand, but in
>> California, it has forced many changes, such as many independent
>> practitioners joining medical groups so as to have an effective
>> defense against lawsuits. I'm seeing some medical decisions being
>> made based heavily on legal exposure.
>>
>>
>> [1] I've had this problem when my urologist wanted to have kidney
>> stone surgery outsourced to a clinic in order to save money.
>> Everything was approved and blessed by the clinic several weeks in
>> advance. The day before the scheduled operation, someone at the
>> clinic discovered that I had a heart problem which was thought to be
>> too much of a risk. Surgery was cancelled at the last moment. My
>> guess(tm) is that the doctors didn't have a problem, but the lawyers
>> hired by the clinic were paranoid.
>
> The hospital and doctor I mentioned are "Government Hospitals". We
> have both Government and Private hospitals here. the major difference
> is that for a Thai citizen, they pay 30 baht - about 1 hour's minimum
> wages, per visit and anything that the doctor in the Government
> Hospital prescribes is covered by that 30 baht. The so called Private
> hospitals charges are as much as 10 times, or more, higher.
>
> So... malpractice suits, would entail, in most cases essentially suing
> the government so one's chances of winning such a case is, well...
> negligible.
>
> But lets be honest, liability cases in the U.S. have reached the point
> of the ridiculous, if not the bizarre. I just read that Remington just
> paid several million to settle a clam that they had sold a rifle which
> was then used to kill someone.
>

Messy case, one from which snappy 'just-so' conclusions
ought not be drawn.

As with suing Ford for a drunk-driving crash, normal
liability isn't relevant here.

In a normal case, since the weapon was stolen and the owner
was murdered, liability chain would have been broken.

For Remington Arms, the charges alleged incitement in their
advertising, an unique CT statute and I agree it was poorly
done (although I didn't see it as criminal, merely stupid. I
am not a CT legislator).

Trouble is, Remington Arms is in bankruptcy (a regular
process in the boom-bust arms industry) so the four
insurance carriers decided it was in their best interests to
settle. I do not know their analyses. Nor do you.

Interesting side note: The AR-15 style rifle was chambered
..22LR.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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 by: John B. - Fri, 18 Feb 2022 03:28 UTC

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 20:34:09 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/17/2022 7:45 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 16:40:32 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 05:58:26 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Some months ago, when I had my last appointment with my cardiologist
>>>> and he asked me whether I had been vaccinated and pointed out that
>>>> both I and my wife, being elderly, were eligible for free vaccination
>>>> and he strongly recommended that "older persons" have it.
>>>>
>>>> I would also point out that this was at one of the largest hospitals
>>>> in Bangkok and he is the senior cardiologist...
>>>
>>> Thanks. I've had similar advice some another doctor. The greatest
>>> risks of both Covid fatalities and adverse reactions are among
>>> seniors.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately the medical profession is very much adverse to taking
>>> risks. If there's the slightest chance that things might go wrong,
>>> they will refuse to do the work or approve the treatment[1].
>>> Currently, rDNA is all new, with plenty of unknowns involved. I
>>> wouldn't blame the doctor for taking a "safe" position on vaccination.
>>>
>>> I don't know how malpractice insurance works in Thailand, but in
>>> California, it has forced many changes, such as many independent
>>> practitioners joining medical groups so as to have an effective
>>> defense against lawsuits. I'm seeing some medical decisions being
>>> made based heavily on legal exposure.
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] I've had this problem when my urologist wanted to have kidney
>>> stone surgery outsourced to a clinic in order to save money.
>>> Everything was approved and blessed by the clinic several weeks in
>>> advance. The day before the scheduled operation, someone at the
>>> clinic discovered that I had a heart problem which was thought to be
>>> too much of a risk. Surgery was cancelled at the last moment. My
>>> guess(tm) is that the doctors didn't have a problem, but the lawyers
>>> hired by the clinic were paranoid.
>>
>> The hospital and doctor I mentioned are "Government Hospitals". We
>> have both Government and Private hospitals here. the major difference
>> is that for a Thai citizen, they pay 30 baht - about 1 hour's minimum
>> wages, per visit and anything that the doctor in the Government
>> Hospital prescribes is covered by that 30 baht. The so called Private
>> hospitals charges are as much as 10 times, or more, higher.
>>
>> So... malpractice suits, would entail, in most cases essentially suing
>> the government so one's chances of winning such a case is, well...
>> negligible.
>>
>> But lets be honest, liability cases in the U.S. have reached the point
>> of the ridiculous, if not the bizarre. I just read that Remington just
>> paid several million to settle a clam that they had sold a rifle which
>> was then used to kill someone.
>>
>
>Messy case, one from which snappy 'just-so' conclusions
>ought not be drawn.
>
>As with suing Ford for a drunk-driving crash, normal
>liability isn't relevant here.
>
>In a normal case, since the weapon was stolen and the owner
>was murdered, liability chain would have been broken.
>
>For Remington Arms, the charges alleged incitement in their
>advertising, an unique CT statute and I agree it was poorly
>done (although I didn't see it as criminal, merely stupid. I
>am not a CT legislator).
>
>Trouble is, Remington Arms is in bankruptcy (a regular
>process in the boom-bust arms industry) so the four
>insurance carriers decided it was in their best interests to
>settle. I do not know their analyses. Nor do you.
>
True and I wonder whether the pay off might not have been done simply
to get a claim off the books.

The company I worked for in Indonesia got sued for some sort of labor
claim in a California court and the company paid the claim - it was in
thousands of dollars in those days (:-). I complained to management
that the guy was guilty and I could prove it and management asked me
if I knew how much it would cost to go to court? It would have cost
more to fight the case and win then to just give the guy the money.

>Interesting side note: The AR-15 style rifle was chambered
>.22LR.

--
Cheers,

John B.

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On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 5:45:20 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
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> The hospital and doctor I mentioned are "Government Hospitals". We
> have both Government and Private hospitals here. the major difference
> is that for a Thai citizen, they pay 30 baht - about 1 hour's minimum
> wages, per visit and anything that the doctor in the Government
> Hospital prescribes is covered by that 30 baht. The so called Private
> hospitals charges are as much as 10 times, or more, higher.

Whoa. I had to look that up, but 30 baht is almost one U.S. dollar for the visit
plus all medications!

And private hospitals charge nearly $10 per hospital visit? You know, here in
the U.S. those charges are a bit higher.

- Frank Krygowski

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On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:34:14 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>
> For Remington Arms, the charges alleged incitement in their
> advertising, an unique CT statute and I agree it was poorly
> done (although I didn't see it as criminal, merely stupid. I
> am not a CT legislator).
>
> Trouble is, Remington Arms is in bankruptcy (a regular
> process in the boom-bust arms industry) so the four
> insurance carriers decided it was in their best interests to
> settle. I do not know their analyses. Nor do you.
>
> Interesting side note: The AR-15 style rifle was chambered
> .22LR.

Fired fast enough, .22 LR can kill a lot of kids.

- Frank Krygowski

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 20:01:27 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 5:45:20 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>>
>> The hospital and doctor I mentioned are "Government Hospitals". We
>> have both Government and Private hospitals here. the major difference
>> is that for a Thai citizen, they pay 30 baht - about 1 hour's minimum
>> wages, per visit and anything that the doctor in the Government
>> Hospital prescribes is covered by that 30 baht. The so called Private
>> hospitals charges are as much as 10 times, or more, higher.
>
>Whoa. I had to look that up, but 30 baht is almost one U.S. dollar for the visit
>plus all medications!
>
>And private hospitals charge nearly $10 per hospital visit? You know, here in
>the U.S. those charges are a bit higher.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

Well there is a difference in income too (:-)

Here minimum salary is 300 baht a day but it is nearly impossible to
get a Thai to work that cheaply now. Current daily salary seems to be
-about- 400 baht a day for what one would call unskilled labor.

But comparing hospital prices. I've had two pacemakers, the first one
got infected and had to be removed and in order to get the leads that
go to the heart out they had do some fairly extensive cutting on my
chest and I ended up with an "L" shaped wound about 4 inches on a
side. As the original problem had been an infection the doctor
suggested that I have the bandage changed every day and the wound
cleaned and checked. In the Government Hospital it was costing me 70
baht a day. One day, I don't remember why, we elected to go to a
Private Hospital and it cost 1,000 baht.
--
Cheers,

John B.

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 20:04:26 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:34:14 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> For Remington Arms, the charges alleged incitement in their
>> advertising, an unique CT statute and I agree it was poorly
>> done (although I didn't see it as criminal, merely stupid. I
>> am not a CT legislator).
>>
>> Trouble is, Remington Arms is in bankruptcy (a regular
>> process in the boom-bust arms industry) so the four
>> insurance carriers decided it was in their best interests to
>> settle. I do not know their analyses. Nor do you.
>>
>> Interesting side note: The AR-15 style rifle was chambered
>> .22LR.
>
>Fired fast enough, .22 LR can kill a lot of kids.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

I think that is a fundamental difference between the U.S., today, and
some other countries.

About a year an Thai Army Sergeant checked a M-16 out of the armory
and went into Korat City and first went to a Buddhist Temple and shot
some people and then went to a large shopping complex and shot some
more. The final score was 30 dead and (I believe) 50 wounded.

And nobody even mentioned the rifle, rather the entire blame was
placed squarely on the shoulders of the guy that did the shooting. In
the U.S., as in the case of the Remington Rifle, the blame seems to be
somehow attributed to the inert object rather then the human that
actually did the deed.

And this attributing a crime to an inert object instead of the
individual that actually carried out the act seems to be a relatively
recent phenomena, When I was growing up we didn't have a lot of
shootings but I do remember one as I went to school with the policeman
that did the shooting.The "victim" attacked the Cop with a garden hoe
and the cop shot him. There was a big to-do and a Grand Jury and the
newspapers were full of it and never a mention of a gun at all.
The old saying that "guns don't shoot people, people shoot people"
really is true.
--
Cheers,

John B.

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John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 11:43:26 -0000 (UTC), Roger Merriman
> <roger@sarlet.com> wrote:
>
>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:52:44 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:23:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/16/2022 4:44 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:20:32 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> And off road hazard:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/bicyclists-captured-video-being-attacked-131210101.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joerg, is that you?
>>>>
>>>>>> I saw that on MTBR. Scary stuff.
>>>>
>>>>> It's an interesting counterpoint to "I only want to ride off road,
>>>>> because it's too dangerous to ride around cars."
>>>>
>>>> Be sure to look over your shoulder during your next group ride. You
>>>> never know what might join your group:
>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=bear+riding+bicycle&tbm=isch>
>>>>
>>>> I seem to recall their motto is "To Bear the Unbearable".
>>>
>>> I watched the "bull video" and frankly I thought it primarily
>>> portrayed the ignorance of the cyclists. Any "country boy" will tell
>>> you that male animals, and some female, will defend "their" territory,
>>> often with considerable diligence.
>>>
>>> Ah well, I'll tell you the story about the "rabbit berries" another
>>> time, but while certainly the country boy may be at loss in the big
>>> city certainly the "city slicker" will be equally at a loss in the
>>> country. And if one is going to ride a bicycle in an area where there
>>> might be unfenced cattle one might better learn the differences
>>> between the "boys" and the "girls" :-)
>>
>> Even in London’s royal parks if one pushes your luck with the deer, ie too
>> close to bucks during the rut, or doe’s if they have young.
>>
>> Generally dogs that take the brunt ie killed. As their owners are ignorant
>> of all the warnings the deer give.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> Dogs are very territorial. I walk in the morning for exercise and at
> one end of my route a number of dogs will come roaring out when I get
> close but they run up to a certain corner in the road and go no
> further as apparently that is the limit of "their" territory.

This shouldn’t be a issue as the parks are big neutral areas, it’s
generally that folks let the dogs get too close to the fawns and the mum
will defend, but like sheep etc, they warn repeatedly if folks choose to
look….

The stags is generally humans getting too close or in the way, probably as
most of the times the Stags are very placid and not bothered by humans, but
the Rut they are single minded as you’d expect. And pumped full of hormones
and with no food and not much sleep!

But again easy enough if one takes a modicum of care, ie give them space!

Roger Merriman.

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 by: russellseaton1@yahoo - Fri, 18 Feb 2022 09:22 UTC

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 12:36:03 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 7:52:53 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:23:58 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> > >On 2/16/2022 4:44 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 1:20:32 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>> And off road hazard:
> > >>>
> > >>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/bicyclists-captured-video-being-attacked-131210101.html
> > >>>
> > >>> Joerg, is that you?
> >
> > >> I saw that on MTBR. Scary stuff.
> >
> > >It's an interesting counterpoint to "I only want to ride off road,
> > >because it's too dangerous to ride around cars."
> > Be sure to look over your shoulder during your next group ride. You
> > never know what might join your group:
> > <https://www.google.com/search?q=bear+riding+bicycle&tbm=isch>
> >
> > I seem to recall their motto is "To Bear the Unbearable".
> Jeff, latest papers in the Journal of the American Medical Association are showing over a doubling of the chance of a heart attack for anyone that took the mRNA vaccines.

https://www.healthline.com/health/covid-vaccine-heart-attack
No Tommy.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html
https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/what-know-about-covid-19-vaccines-linked-heart-problems-young-people

> This is a permanent disability. And an almost unbelievable increase of 8,400% increase in the chance of endomyelitis (arrhythmia) within > days of mRNA vaccinations..

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0
"In contrast, we found no evidence of an increase in the risk of pericarditis or cardiac arrhythmias following vaccination, except in the 1–28 days following a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine. Second, in the same population, there was a greater risk of myocarditis, pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmia following SARS-CoV-2 infection."

Although they didn't study that long enough to ascertain the chances of that being permanent I can tell you that my 90 year old friend recently started having arrhythmia after a booster.
>
> You hinted that you have been having health problems lately and if you've had vaccinations perhaps you should have a heart specialist consult with you. I mention this for no other reason than your personal health.

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On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 7:12:54 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 3:25:21 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 14:43:49 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >My mistake, that was a typo which you always find so appalling Endocarditis
> > Endocarditis might be a real problem, but not this time:
> > <https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/endocarditis/symptoms-causes/syc-20352576>
> > I had that problem on Sept 27, 2021. Symptoms were a very mild and
> > continuous chest pain centered around the heart. Nothing else. After
> > 3 days of mostly ignoring the problem, I was kidnapped by some friends
> > and dropped off at the Dominican Hospital ER (emergency room) at
> > around midnight. I spent 16 hrs getting tested for most everything
> > possible, including covid-19 antibodies, but nothing was found. They
> > were going to continue until something could be found when my
> > cardiologist arrived and rescued me from might have turned out to be
> > endless testing. Over the next 4 days, the pains slowly diminished
> > and eventually disappeared not to return. At this time, I have no
> > clue what caused it or any certainty that it was endocarditis.
> >
> > Of course, I asked the hospital doctor and my cardiologist if this was
> > in any way connected my previous covid-19 vaccination shots on Apr 3
> > and May 1, 2021. Unlikely because they were 6 months ago. I received
> > the booster shot on Dec 5, 2021, which is also unlikely unless you
> > believe reverse time shift causality inversion.
> >
> > What I find appalling is that you can't even write a one line
> > correction without also insulting the person who found your mistake.
> > Everyone makes typo and spelling errors, which would rarely need
> > public attention. However, 100% wrong batting average and amazing
> > wrong facts deserves some attention in the vain hope that you might do
> > something to fix the problem.
> >
> > Incidentally, you forgot to provide a link to the JAMA article you
> > mentioned.
> https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circ.144.suppl_1.10712 Abstract 10712: Mrna COVID Vaccines Dramatically Increase Endothelial Inflammatory Markers and ACS Risk as Measured by the PULS Cardiac Test: a Warning
>
> Or you can get a better explanation of the paper from Dr. Campbell. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBGl8MVE-c&t=102s
>
> Also see http://indepthnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/COVID-Report-from-Rep.-Weyler-3.pdf

Tommy, you got to do a better job of lying than that.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/01/blog-posting/report-shares-wildly-unfounded-claims-covid-19-vac/
"A 52-page report from a pair of anti-vaccine advocates claims to present the truth about COVID-19 vaccines. However, it does just the opposite.

The website Stop World Control published the so-called Vaccine Death Report in September 2021, and it was shared across Facebook, including in this Sept. 26 post. It is written by David Sorenson and Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a New York doctor who made headlines for prescribing hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 even though health authorities cautioned against it.

The report claims that "millions have died from COVID injections" around the world, and includes narratives from the United States, the United Kingdom, Israel and Brazil to back up this claim.

On top of that, it claims that half a million people within the United States have suffered severe side effects such as strokes, heart failure, brain disorders, convulsions and more.

"The data shows that we are currently witnessing the greatest organized mass murder in the history of our world," the report states.

The alarming findings cite databases like the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System and others. But the report misinterpreted the data to draw unfounded conclusions about the vaccines.

The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, also called VAERS, is an official public government database where anyone can submit any potential adverse health effect following a vaccine. However, the reports are not verified, and the system itself warns that reports can contain information that is incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental or unverifiable. When used improperly, VAERS can be a source for misinformation."

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. And the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has not verified any deaths as a result of the vaccines approved in the United States."

Tommy, please try to fact check and assess the quality of the "support documents" you use for your wild claims.

>
> "VAERS data from the American CDC shows that as of September 17, 2021, already 726,963 people
> suffered adverse events, including stroke, heart failure, blood clots, brain disorders, convulsions,
> seizures, inflammations of brain & spinal cord, life-threatening allergic reactions, autoimmune
> diseases, arthritis, miscarriage, infertility, rapid-onset muscle weakness, deafness, blindness,
> narcolepsy, and cataplexy. Besides the astronomical number of severe side effects, the CDC reports
> that almost 15,386 people died as a result of receiving the experimental injections. However, a CDC
> healthcare fraud detection expert named Jane Doe investigated this and came to the shocking
> discovery that the number of deaths is at least five times higher than what the CDC is admitting. In
> fact, in her initial communications to professor in medicine Dr. Peter McCullough, this whistleblower
> said that the number of deaths is ten times higher. The CDC health fraud detection expert signed an
> affidavit, in which she stated her findings. She carefully chose the wordings '...under-reported by a
> conservative factor of at least five', but as she revealed initially, the factor could also be ten. Here
> is an excerpt of the affidavit: 1
> 'I have, over the last 25 years, developed over 100 distinct healthcare fraud detection
> algorithms. ... When the COVID-19 vaccine clearly became associated with patient death and
> harm, I was inclined to investigate the matter. It is my professional estimate that VAERS (the
> Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) database, while extremely useful, is under-reported
> by a conservative factor of at least 5. ... and have assessed that the deaths occurring within 3
> days of vaccination are higher than those reported in VAERS by a factor of at least 5.'
> The CDC is also vastly underreporting other adverse events, like severe allergic reactions
> (anaphylaxis). The Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) reported that a study showed how the
> actual number of anaphylaxis is 50 to 120 times higher than claimed by the CDC.2, 3 On top of that, a
> private researcher took a close look at the VAERS database, and tried looking up specific case-ID’s"

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On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 10:01:31 PM UTC-6, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 5:45:20 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> >
> > The hospital and doctor I mentioned are "Government Hospitals". We
> > have both Government and Private hospitals here. the major difference
> > is that for a Thai citizen, they pay 30 baht - about 1 hour's minimum
> > wages, per visit and anything that the doctor in the Government
> > Hospital prescribes is covered by that 30 baht. The so called Private
> > hospitals charges are as much as 10 times, or more, higher.
> Whoa. I had to look that up, but 30 baht is almost one U.S. dollar for the visit
> plus all medications!
>
> And private hospitals charge nearly $10 per hospital visit? You know, here in
> the U.S. those charges are a bit higher.
>
> - Frank Krygowski

John did also say "they pay 30 baht - about 1 hour's minimum wages,"

So $1 per hour is the minimum wage in Thailand. Here in the US of A it is $7.25. I suspect many folks would be dancing in the streets if they could only get a charge of $72.50 for a doctor office visit.

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On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 11:56:43 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 20:04:26 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:34:14 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>
> >> For Remington Arms, the charges alleged incitement in their
> >> advertising, an unique CT statute and I agree it was poorly
> >> done (although I didn't see it as criminal, merely stupid. I
> >> am not a CT legislator).
> >>
> >> Trouble is, Remington Arms is in bankruptcy (a regular
> >> process in the boom-bust arms industry) so the four
> >> insurance carriers decided it was in their best interests to
> >> settle. I do not know their analyses. Nor do you.
> >>
> >> Interesting side note: The AR-15 style rifle was chambered
> >> .22LR.
> >
> >Fired fast enough, .22 LR can kill a lot of kids.
> >
> >- Frank Krygowski
> I think that is a fundamental difference between the U.S., today, and
> some other countries.
>
> About a year an Thai Army Sergeant checked a M-16 out of the armory
> and went into Korat City and first went to a Buddhist Temple and shot
> some people and then went to a large shopping complex and shot some
> more. The final score was 30 dead and (I believe) 50 wounded.
>
> And nobody even mentioned the rifle, rather the entire blame was
> placed squarely on the shoulders of the guy that did the shooting. In
> the U.S., as in the case of the Remington Rifle, the blame seems to be
> somehow attributed to the inert object rather then the human that
> actually did the deed.

I am assuming your second "paragraph" above should be "About a year ago a Thai Army Sergeant..."

Thailand (you ae in Thailand right?) has about 70 million people. A little under one fourth the USA population of 330 million. A year ago you had a big mass killing. In the USA we have had a similar mass killing every few years. Double yours in 2017. One and half times more in 2016. Equal to yours in 2007, 2012, 2017. And half or so in many other years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

Looking at the number of mass killings in the USA, and the body count at each, I'd bet the USA is still way ahead of Thailand in mass killing events. And because the USA is so far ahead of Thailand, we look at why that is so.. Is it real easy to do a mass killing in the USA because its so easy to get a good gun to go mass killing with? I bet if Thailand has one or two or three of similar mass killings every single year, then Thailand would also look at why its so easy to do these mass killings. And if its determined that all the perpetrators are using M-16 rifles, then the government might restrict the access to these good mass killing guns. Also, because your mass killing was an Army Sergeant using an Army M-16 rifle, focusing on the gun would be analogous to focusing on the speed or racing car in a crash at the Indianapolis 500 race. The Army M-16 rifle used in wars by soldiers is too good at killing people? Why would you have any questions about the rifle? Access to it by an Army Sergeant? No. Ability to take it off base without lots of checks and balances and paperwork and explanations? Yes.

>
> And this attributing a crime to an inert object instead of the
> individual that actually carried out the act seems to be a relatively
> recent phenomena,

No. In the USA the government banned machine guns from civilians back in 1934 with the National Firearms Act. The federal government thought that inert object (machine gun) was too deadly for non military to have at their disposal. Mobsters back in the 1920s and 30s thought machine guns were real good at killing people. And they were. Government thought they could reduce the ease of killing by banning that inert object.

When I was growing up we didn't have a lot of
> shootings but I do remember one as I went to school with the policeman
> that did the shooting.The "victim" attacked the Cop with a garden hoe
> and the cop shot him. There was a big to-do and a Grand Jury and the
> newspapers were full of it and never a mention of a gun at all.
>
> The old saying that "guns don't shoot people, people shoot people"
> really is true.

True. Except its also true that people can shoot LOTS of people if they have a gun that shoots lots of bullets real fast.

> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

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