On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 20:17:51 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 7:47:42 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>>
>> >On 2/17/2022 7:06 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:29:11 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> ...Andrew makes far more money and thus can pay
>> >>> far more taxes selling fancy sifters ...
>> >>
>> >> Fancy sifters? These??
>> >> https://www.amazon.com/flour-sifter/s?k=flour+sifter
>> >>
>> >> Hey, I'm fine with people using those things if they like. I don't need one.
>> >> And I've said the same about fancy shifters like STI, even though I have no need for them.
>> >>
>> >> Buy what you like, John. Feel free to keep your choices secret if you like,
>> >> or we can discuss advantages and disadvantages if you like. After all, this is
>> >> a discussion group!
>> >>
>> Ah well, Poor old Frank is getting a bit past it, I guess, all his
>> talk of advantages and disadvantages.
>>
>> What, for example, is the advantage to a bar end shifter? Sure it is
>> cheaper, but in a world where $10,000 bicycles aren't exactly rare is
>> "cheap" really better?
>
>Cheap doesn't matter to me. I can afford any bike on the market.
>
>What matters to me is extreme reliability, plus repairability, especially with
>tools I carry on the bike. I understand that STI, etc. is very reliable. (Although
>ISTR at least one person here has had trouble keeping it adjusted...)
>
>But I've helped several people get their STI shifters going again after they've
>failed in ways beyond the ability of the owners to fix at home, not even on the
>road. I've talked about some of those here.
>
>The only failures I've ever had with bar end shifters have been broken cables.
>I've fixed that on the road. Even that problem can be much worse with STI.
>
>- Frank Krygowski

I suggest that "extreme reliability" is a very relative term. On an
oil drilling rig, the "Draw Works" the big winch that hauls things up
and down is driven, normally, by a chain drive, the life of which is
measured in years. The rear wheels of a motor grader is also chain
drive, and again life in years (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 3:22:22 AM UTC-6, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 17.02.2022 um 10:01 schrieb russell...@yahoo.com:
>
> > No. There is no annual inspection of vehicles in the USA. You do
> > have to pay an annual registration fee for your car in the state.
> > But no one inspects it and you do not turn in any inspection report
> > to the state. It is 100% legal to drive the biggest pile of junk on
> > earth on the highway as long as you paid the registration fees and
> > license fees.
> This might be one of the reasons why US road deaths are so high compared
> to Europe.
> In Europe, we must have a safety inspection every two years (in Germany
> an annual emmissions check as well).

HA!!!!!!! Rolf, did you forget that recent thread about rolling coal? The pickup truck teenage kid down in Texas tried to run over and kill a group of bicyclists by blowing diesel smoke on them. Its right there in the Constitution of the US of A that it is a right and privilege for American drivers to drive whatever they want and modify their vehicle however they want to make them as dangerous and unsafe as they want. George Washington and Abraham Lincoln and Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson all signed the Bill of Rights granting that freedom to the American citizen. Salute the Flag!!!!!!!!

>
> Rolf

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:30:16 AM UTC-6, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 4:22:22 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > Am 17.02.2022 um 10:01 schrieb russell...@yahoo.com:
> >
> > > No. There is no annual inspection of vehicles in the USA. You do
> > > have to pay an annual registration fee for your car in the state.
> > > But no one inspects it and you do not turn in any inspection report
> > > to the state. It is 100% legal to drive the biggest pile of junk on
> > > earth on the highway as long as you paid the registration fees and
> > > license fees.
> > This might be one of the reasons why US road deaths are so high compared
> > to Europe.
> > In Europe, we must have a safety inspection every two years (in Germany
> > an annual emmissions check as well).
> >
> There are a number of US states that require annual inspections with emissions testing. There is no federal law for inspections, but each state can decide for themselves.
> https://www.partsgeek.com/mmparts/car_inspection_requirements_by_state_a_compendium.html

"Iowa is one of the few states without vehicle inspection regulations at all. There are very few regulations, except for salvaged vehicles and the commercial trucking industry."

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 10:17:18 AM UTC-6, sms wrote:
> On 2/16/2022 10:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > But why ever not? After all you ride a bicycle and from your own
> > writing frequently "seize the lane" and hinder other vehicles
> > traveling at legal rates of speed. Why shouldn't other vehicles be
> > allowed to hinder you?
> Don't extrapolate the discredited "vehicular cycling" behavior onto all
> cyclists. Most cyclists don't "take the lane" unless it's necessary to
> do so.
> > And, of course, you will argue that you have a legal right to do so,
> > but these outrageous motor cars you rant about must be legal, I
> > believe in all states, as they must pass an annual inspection. Don't
> > they?
> No. Only a handful of states still have annual vehicle safety
> inspections. Some have A few more have biennial inspections. Most states
> dropped the safety inspections after it was found that statistically
> they prevented a minuscule number of accidents. The state I grew up in
> started off with safety inspections every six months, then switched to
> annual, then dropped them altogether.
>
> I had a girlfriend in college whose dad collected classic Ford Mustangs.
> He had to get ten cars safety inspected every year. If one failed he
> would swap parts to get it to pass until he could order the necessary
> parts to do a proper repair. I remember my car failing one year due to
> some rust on a muffler pipe and tiny exhaust leak. One place quoted me
> $200 to replace all the exhaust components. Another place charged me $5
> to weld the system enough to pass.

That was back when $200 was BIG MONEY to replace all the exhaust components. $1000? $1500 today?

>
> In my state, the state built a network of inspection facilities and
> hired staff for each one. It was enormously expensive and the inspection
> fees didn't cover the cost.
>
> Personally, I would not oppose biennial safety inspections. In
> California we still have biennial smog checks once a vehicle is over a
> certain age. But on 2000 and newer cars they don't actually even use an
> exhaust gas analyzer, they just plug into the OBD-II port and ensure
> that all the self-tests are complete. $40 and it takes the smog test
> station about two minutes.

On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 9:44:46 PM UTC-6, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-8, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:27:13 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >
> > > People tend to adopt styles that reflect their personalities. I think
> > > the owners of big, loud, "petro masculinity" pickups are typically
> > > sending deliberate and obnoxious messages. I very much doubt that you do
> > > the same.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> > Frank,
> > I think you're wrong on the pickup thing, and here's why.
> > Some years back the sociology department at Univ of Wis did a study on deer hunters.
> > Understand that Dane County is defined as 1200 square miles surrounded by reality, a hotbed of liberal thought.
> > They suspected that people who like to blast defenseless Bambi into hamburger probably had some screws loose, bloodthirsty killers or macho fantasies.
> >
> > They found no difference on any psychological or personality measures. What they found was if your friends and family hunt deer, you hunt deer; if they bowl, you bowl; if they play cards, you play cards. it was as simple as that.
> I can easily believe that, at least as a general tendency. As we all know, most families do contain exceptions.

The Ahmaud Arbery killing down in Georgia was done by a father and son and their neighbor.

>
> But that probably means merely that the tailgating, headlight-glaring, coal rolling pickup drivers* hang around
> with other tailgating, headlight glaring, coal rolling pickup drivers*.
>
> (* This being r.b.tech, I feel a need to emphasize that I'm not talking about _all_ pickup drivers.)
>
> - Frank Krygowski

On 2/17/2022 9:39 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> Turn signals? Almost nobody uses turn signals. I hate that.

+1

We had friends from Ireland visit us for a week, years after we had met
them and stayed in their place in Dublin.

After a few days with us, I asked Joe "So what do you think of American
drivers?"

He said, with astonishment, "They don't use their indicators!!"

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/17/2022 9:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-8, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:27:13 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>> People tend to adopt styles that reflect their personalities. I think
>>> the owners of big, loud, "petro masculinity" pickups are typically
>>> sending deliberate and obnoxious messages. I very much doubt that you do
>>> the same.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>> Frank,
>> I think you're wrong on the pickup thing, and here's why.
>> Some years back the sociology department at Univ of Wis did a study on deer hunters.
>> Understand that Dane County is defined as 1200 square miles surrounded by reality, a hotbed of liberal thought.
>> They suspected that people who like to blast defenseless Bambi into hamburger probably had some screws loose, bloodthirsty killers or macho fantasies.
>>
>> They found no difference on any psychological or personality measures. What they found was if your friends and family hunt deer, you hunt deer; if they bowl, you bowl; if they play cards, you play cards. it was as simple as that.
>
> I can easily believe that, at least as a general tendency. As we all know, most families do contain exceptions.
>
> But that probably means merely that the tailgating, headlight-glaring, coal rolling pickup drivers* hang around
> with other tailgating, headlight glaring, coal rolling pickup drivers*.
>
> (* This being r.b.tech, I feel a need to emphasize that I'm not talking about _all_ pickup drivers.)
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>

Mercedes without plates, driven by armed unlicensed
carjackers, often high, run red lights at speed with some
regularity and often disastrous results. Which says nothing
about Mercedes owners generally.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article257697723.html

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/01/06/woman-killed-fiance-critically-injured-after-stolen-car-slammed-into-their-vehicle/

https://madison.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/3-teens-arrested-after-crashing-stolen-car-on-east-side-madison-police-say/article_3b79056f-cb7d-5687-862a-1c582e890743.html

etc

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 10:35:54 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 2/17/2022 9:44 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-8, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, February 16, 2022 at 11:27:13 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>
> >>> People tend to adopt styles that reflect their personalities. I think
> >>> the owners of big, loud, "petro masculinity" pickups are typically
> >>> sending deliberate and obnoxious messages. I very much doubt that you do
> >>> the same.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>
> >> Frank,
> >> I think you're wrong on the pickup thing, and here's why.
> >> Some years back the sociology department at Univ of Wis did a study on deer hunters.
> >> Understand that Dane County is defined as 1200 square miles surrounded by reality, a hotbed of liberal thought.
> >> They suspected that people who like to blast defenseless Bambi into hamburger probably had some screws loose, bloodthirsty killers or macho fantasies.
> >>
> >> They found no difference on any psychological or personality measures. What they found was if your friends and family hunt deer, you hunt deer; if they bowl, you bowl; if they play cards, you play cards. it was as simple as that.
> >
> > I can easily believe that, at least as a general tendency. As we all know, most families do contain exceptions.
> >
> > But that probably means merely that the tailgating, headlight-glaring, coal rolling pickup drivers* hang around
> > with other tailgating, headlight glaring, coal rolling pickup drivers*.
> >
> > (* This being r.b.tech, I feel a need to emphasize that I'm not talking about _all_ pickup drivers.)
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> Mercedes without plates, driven by armed unlicensed
> carjackers, often high, run red lights at speed with some
> regularity and often disastrous results. Which says nothing
> about Mercedes owners generally.
>
> https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article257697723.html
>
> https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/01/06/woman-killed-fiance-critically-injured-after-stolen-car-slammed-into-their-vehicle/
>
> https://madison.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/3-teens-arrested-after-crashing-stolen-car-on-east-side-madison-police-say/article_3b79056f-cb7d-5687-862a-1c582e890743.html

This is so common in some parts of town that people cannot have a car unless they have a garage for it.

On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:26:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I disagree. Women of an age similar to mine still seem to refer to each
> other as "girls."

When they are planning to get together for frivolous purposes.

--
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http://wlweather.net/PAGESEW/
The above message is a Usenet post.

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:29:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well... you have to admit that the death sentence serves to reduce
> prison over crowding (:-)

Not by much. When a member of the Writers' Exchange of the N3F was
executed, the time that had elapsed between the crime and his
execution was greater than the time that had elapsed between his birth
and the crime.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 23:35:41 -0500, Joy Beeson
<jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:26:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> I disagree. Women of an age similar to mine still seem to refer to each
>> other as "girls."
>
>When they are planning to get together for frivolous purposes.

Well, admittedly my wife usually speaks Thai so I have to translate
but when she talks about a number of female neighbors coming over for
coffee and... the words she uses translate to "girls" (literally
"young+female").
(:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 23:36:08 -0500, Joy Beeson
<jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:29:57 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Well... you have to admit that the death sentence serves to reduce
>> prison over crowding (:-)
>
>Not by much. When a member of the Writers' Exchange of the N3F was
>executed, the time that had elapsed between the crime and his
>execution was greater than the time that had elapsed between his birth
>and the crime.

And you are correct. At least in certain circumstances. I read that in
some U.S. societies women have children at age 15 - 30 year old
grandmothers - and I recently read about a woman being executed some
15 years after she murdered another women. So one generation from
crime to punishment.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 2/19/2022 10:35 PM, Joy Beeson wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:26:23 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> I disagree. Women of an age similar to mine still seem to refer to each
>> other as "girls."
>
> When they are planning to get together for frivolous purposes.
>

+1
Such as the geriatric sleepovers at girlfriend's house.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 12:17:48 PM UTC-8, Luns Tee wrote:
> I've long wanted to build my own variant of Jobst's concentric pump, with a smaller compression ratio (2:1) than what he used. Such a design is constrained by the maximum deliverable pressure and the maximum lifting force expected from the user. I have to think about it some more, but a third and maybe fourth stage might just allow stretching one or the other constraint, though probably not enough to be worth bothering, especially given how nobody since the Blackburn AirTower 5 seems to have bothered with having even a second stage.

TIL, three and even allegedly four stage pumps exist and are readily available new. Apparently these are a commodity item for the air rifle community, with their PCP pumps being rated for 3000 to 4500psi. The final delivery piston on these is on the order of 5-6mm as compared to ~30mm for a track pump, so I find the pressure rating plausible, but what I find astounding is that these pumps actually aren't that far off from being usable for tires too.

Among the videos on youtube for PCP pumps was a test of inflating a 300cc cylinder to 1000psi. It took 110 strokes on camera. Scaling down, that would be 11 strokes or less for 100psi, assuming the gauge is accurate. A 25mm tire would have a volume of maybe 3.5x this, so say 38 strokes to 100psi? This is within 2x of a typical tire pump, but this from a pump capable of delivering 15-20x the pressure!

What I find astounding is the price point for PCP pumps, being available for around $50-60, which isn't too far off from a typical tire pump despite being so much more complicated. Granted, the PCP pumps expect a lot more maintenance than what a typical bike pump would ever get, but I think that has as more to do with the higher pressures involved than anything.

Jobst's pump delivered on the order of 2x typical tire pump volume, or 4x that of these PCP pumps. I'm once again wondering how much more than 4x volume could be gained in exchange for the 15x available pressure.

-Luns