On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 15:42:34 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 10:00:00 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 12:01:00 AM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 7:51:15 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>> > > On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>> > > >> Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > > >>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > > >>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
>> > > >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
>> > > >>> I thought that was quite effective.
>> > > >> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
>> > > >> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
>> > > >> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
>> > > >
>> > > > Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of Erdoğan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?
>> > > >
>> > > >>
>> > > >> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
>> > > >> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
>> > > >> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
>> > > >> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
>> > > >> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
>> > > >> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
>> > > >> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
>> > > >
>> > > > Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
>> > > > Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
>> > > >
>> > > > *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
>> > > > "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
>> > > >
>> > > Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
>> > > quislings in Europe?
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Andrew Muzi
>> > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> > I think its important to listen and understand everyone's opinion about many different matters. Even the Republicans do have some valid points. An example. In the 1950s and 60s and 70s, the USA blindly supported the Shah of Iran. We did not listen or pay attention to the subjects of Iran. We did not care about their opinion. But the Ayatollah did listen to their opinion. And from about 1979 until today, Iran has been a sore point in the USA. It is very likely we could have easily prevented this.
>> You point being that the Ayatollah is so much more just and honest with his citizens than the Shah was. Become a suicide bomber and your place in heaven is assured.
>
>No Tommy. My point is the USA did not listen or pay attention to the Shah and his dealings in Iran. If they had during the 50s and 60s, they could have and should have and would have picked out one of the Shahs opponents, a more moderate non religious zealot, and supported him and advanced his cause. And not supported the Shah blindly. And the outcomes in Iran would have been changed. The Ayatollah would never have ascended to his heights in the 1970s if someone else got there first in the 60s.
>
>A very similar thing happened after WW1 and WW2. The Allies punished Germany rafter WW1 with reparations and other punishment. Resentment grew during the 1920s in Germany. And Hitler and the Nazis came to power in the early 1930s. And less than ten years later we had WW2. But the USA and other allies learned from the mistakes made after WW1 and did not repeat them after WW2. Germany went on to become the biggest economy in Europe and a very free and fair democracy. And on the other side of the world, Japan was not punished after the war. It was controlled and limited. Limits on its military strength and lengthy occupation by the USA. But it has since become one of the largest economies in the world and I believe its fairly democratic and free.

Actually Japan, after WW II was helped, to a very great extent, by the
U.S. The MacArthur regime broke up large farming consortiums and gave
the peasants land, underwrote businesses, even the Yen/Dollar exchange
rate used for the military was beneficial to Japan.

And it worked.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 3:42:38 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 10:00:00 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, February 18, 2022 at 12:01:00 AM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 7:51:15 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > On 2/17/2022 7:08 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 6:03:19 AM UTC-5, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> > > > >> Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > >>> On 2/16/2022 1:19 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > >>>> Here's a rather nice write-up of what europeans thinks of all your trumpian talking points:
> > > > >>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/28/opinion/europeans-view-americans.html
> > > > >>> I thought that was quite effective.
> > > > >> To assure the NYT audience, before the election, that Orange Man Bad?
> > > > >> By golly, Frank, you'll never learn when to just siliently cringe when
> > > > >> the clueless Flunkie makes another unforced error, will you?
> > > > >
> > > > > Error? ok roofie, tell us what europeans really think of trump and the trump 'doctrine' - links to op-eds from reputable journalistic outlets please. Other than the likes of ErdoÄŸan I doubt you'll find any majority sentiment that varies much from overt revulsion of trump. Of course you blithly turn your head and cough when dr jute grabs your balls demands fealty with his blatent lies from town hall - as pathetic a right wing rag as currently exists in cybersphere (save 'the daily stormer' who support donald trump). Perhaps ask him to explain to you why he willingly followed his governments orders to get vaxxed and extols the virtues of their socialized infrastructure and healthcare systems, while criticizing USAian efforts from the Democratic party to give our people the same benefits he enjoys?
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> And while sheepishly nodding your heads, your sleepy brains missed the
> > > > >> the subtle peak moment of unintended ironies:
> > > > >> At 03:50 in the woke donkey kindergarden video, the woke African
> > > > >> Frenchie acting shocked while carelessly playing with the toy gun
> > > > >> pointed at Hegemann, the woke German fashion stylist. She's a prime
> > > > >> candidate for a stage-firearms job with Hollywood-Mexico!
> > > > >> Alternatively, security detail with Turdeau, that will speed things up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now now roofie, you should stop taking English lessons from our resident class buffoon tommy. Not only is that paragraph almost unintelligible, your attempts to use a fictional parody to somehow make some sort of point is completely lost as a result.
> > > > > Seriously - unhitch your cart from RBTs dumb and dumber mules - these two make The Confederation of Dunces* look like the authors of The Federalist Papers.
> > > > >
> > > > > *https://www.americanbazaaronline.com/2020/08/08/confederacy-of-rich-dunces-surrounding-trump-propels-meritocracy-myth-442026/
> > > > > "MAGAzines available up to 30 rounds for visiting gay bath houses" - Tom Kunich
> > > > >
> > > > Why should any USAian give a crap about the opinions of the
> > > > quislings in Europe?
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andrew Muzi
> > > > <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > > I think its important to listen and understand everyone's opinion about many different matters. Even the Republicans do have some valid points. An example. In the 1950s and 60s and 70s, the USA blindly supported the Shah of Iran. We did not listen or pay attention to the subjects of Iran. We did not care about their opinion. But the Ayatollah did listen to their opinion. And from about 1979 until today, Iran has been a sore point in the USA.. It is very likely we could have easily prevented this.
> > You point being that the Ayatollah is so much more just and honest with his citizens than the Shah was. Become a suicide bomber and your place in heaven is assured.
>
> No Tommy. My point is the USA did not listen or pay attention to the Shah and his dealings in Iran. If they had during the 50s and 60s, they could have and should have and would have picked out one of the Shahs opponents, a more moderate non religious zealot, and supported him and advanced his cause. And not supported the Shah blindly. And the outcomes in Iran would have been changed. The Ayatollah would never have ascended to his heights in the 1970s if someone else got there first in the 60s.
>
> A very similar thing happened after WW1 and WW2. The Allies punished Germany after WW1 with reparations and other punishment. Resentment grew during the 1920s in Germany. And Hitler and the Nazis came to power in the early 1930s. And less than ten years later we had WW2. But the USA and other allies learned from the mistakes made after WW1 and did not repeat them after WW2. Germany went on to become the biggest economy in Europe and a very free and fair democracy. And on the other side of the world, Japan was not punished after the war. It was controlled and limited. Limits on its military strength and lengthy occupation by the USA. But it has since become one of the largest economies in the world and I believe its fairly democratic and free.

Gee, with knowledge like that it is a shame Biden hasn't made you the Secretary of State. Here is a clue - when you are treaty partners with a country you support their elected leaders. You don't believe it a fair election? But Biden was fairly elected huh?