https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw

I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
> >
> >I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
> Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
> and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
> lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
> COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
> drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
> conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
> He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
> died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
> for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
> result.

Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!

Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:01:19 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
> > >
> > >I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
> > Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
> > and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
> > lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
> > COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
> > drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
> > conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
> > He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
> > died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
> > for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
> > result.
> Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
>
> Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?

Tommy, your mental prowess seems to be severely lacking. Not a shock to us.. Comorbidity merely means you have other things wrong with you. I have a comorbidity. But I am still healthy and my comorbidity should not kill me anytime soon. However, my comorbidity does make me more susceptible to catching Covid. Even though I am vaccinated and have my booster shot. But if I am very unfortunate and die of Covid, the doctors would likely say I died of Covid with a comorbidity. I still died of Covid. My comorbidity did not kill me, it just made it easier for Covid to infect me and kill me. Seems somewhat simple to me to understand. But I am not you, thankfully.

Comorbidities might be similar to seatbelts or bicycle helmets. You can live just fine with a comorbidity. Just like you can drive without a seatbelt or ride a bicycle without a helmet. No problems at all. BUT, if you do get in a wreck with the car or bike, the lack of a seatbelt or helmet makes it more likely you will die and/or suffer severe injury. But in either case, the crash (COVID) will be listed as the cause of death/injury. Even though your lack of seatbelt or helmet (COMORBIDITY) greatly contributed to your chance of dying or injury. Just like people without comorbidities are able to not get infected better or suffer only minor Covid problems if they do develop the virus. The comorbidity amplifies the risk.

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:01:19 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
> > >
> > >I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
> > Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
> > and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
> > lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
> > COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
> > drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
> > conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
> > He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
> > died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
> > for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
> > result.
> Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
>
> Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?

Well, that was probably too snotty. Just consider, I SHOWED where the CDC is measuring covid-19 deaths only with pneumonia deaths. This means that since they cannot accurately measure covid-19 with any test, that they are including the worlds most common form of death of senior citizens with covid-19.

Every year, between 5,000 and 12,000 people die of influenza. And the "undefined" respiratory deaths were only 7,127. Since you CANNOT identify any deaths from pneumonia as a covid-19 test you are facing a case where this covid-19 in all regards, hasn't been as bad as a bad influenza year.

And in any case, it would be killing OLD PEOPLE that are very, very ill and not expected to live out the year.

The vaccines on the other hand, were being forced upon a military composed of men and women at the most healthy point in their lives. The vaccines are killing at the very least 133 times what not having the vaccines would. And because of the reporting standards they started for vaccine problems (VAERS = Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) probably the majority of adverse reactions are not being reported. Especially if they are not fatal. I explained that VAERS was actually intended to be reported by the individuals effected. But the form is using only very highly medical technical terms that non-medical people couldn't even identify let alone know if they occurred or were present.

Jeff, you have to forgive me for being annoyed by your obsessive belief that Fauci wouldn't fool you. I have seen Fauci's work over the years and he has NEVER ONCE been right about anything. He is the government worker of the year. If you want it done wrong give it to the government.

This morning even the asses at the local FOX station were saying that covid-19 spreads via microdroplets expelled during a cough. This is absolute bullshit. A corona virus is 30 nanometers in diameter and moisture won't stick to it and even if it did, it would dry instantly. Therefore corona viruses as a whole are airborne. They float in clouds around anyone infected that is breathing. You also have to inhale a large enough number of them that they overcome the body's natural defenses. So outdoors they disperse too rapidly to be a danger unless you're in something like a colosseum where the sheer number of people infected can maintain a large volume of viral counts. Even inside if you have circulating air and not to large a group - such as in any supermarket the viral counts can never get high enough to infect people unless they have immune system problems. Omicron is about as contagious as cold virus which is another corona virus. And it is about as dangerous.. Colds can and do kill people with severe comorbities so it isn't as if vaccines were EVER necessary. MOST of the actual deaths were from the initial wave of Delta variant. And they were almost entirely people that were extremely sick or with serious health problems such as gross obesity. On the bike trails I started seeing these people walking and then jogging and their health returned to normal.

You don't understand why people make decisions and you are claiming that they are baseless decisions when they aren't. Stop talking about science because you've never worked in it. There are extremely serious decisions you need to make in every project and you can't understand this.

Again let me show you this CDC chart. Notice that they are reporting covid-19 deaths ABOVE the actual reported numbers of deaths.

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 1:49:51 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:01:19 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
> > > >
> > > >I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
> > > Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
> > > and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
> > > lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
> > > COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
> > > drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
> > > conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
> > > He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
> > > died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
> > > for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
> > > result.
> > Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
> >
> > Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?
> Tommy, your mental prowess seems to be severely lacking. Not a shock to us. Comorbidity merely means you have other things wrong with you. I have a comorbidity. But I am still healthy and my comorbidity should not kill me anytime soon. However, my comorbidity does make me more susceptible to catching Covid. Even though I am vaccinated and have my booster shot. But if I am very unfortunate and die of Covid, the doctors would likely say I died of Covid with a comorbidity. I still died of Covid. My comorbidity did not kill me, it just made it easier for Covid to infect me and kill me. Seems somewhat simple to me to understand. But I am not you, thankfully.
>
> Comorbidities might be similar to seatbelts or bicycle helmets. You can live just fine with a comorbidity. Just like you can drive without a seatbelt or ride a bicycle without a helmet. No problems at all. BUT, if you do get in a wreck with the car or bike, the lack of a seatbelt or helmet makes it more likely you will die and/or suffer severe injury. But in either case, the crash (COVID) will be listed as the cause of death/injury. Even though your lack of seatbelt or helmet (COMORBIDITY) greatly contributed to your chance of dying or injury. Just like people without comorbidities are able to not get infected better or suffer only minor Covid problems if they do develop the virus. The comorbidity amplifies the risk.
Russell either you don't know what comorbity means or you are fooling yourself. Comorbity is something that can and WILL eventually kill you if nothing else does. If you have a stroke your chances of another NEVER return to normal. There are things you can do to reduce those chances such as quitting smoking or using drugs but it NEVER returns to normal. The same with other things such as atrial fibrillation. Those are both ranked as circulatory diseases and EVERY case of covid-19 death under the age of 60 had at least one of these and most over that age have many of them.

Do you suppose there is some sort of difference of dying from a heart condition while infected with influenza or covid-19? Does ANYONE count influenza deaths as grounds for an economic shutdown? I think that an accountant should understand these things without further discussion.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 12:38:59 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
>>
>>I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
>
>Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
>and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
>lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
>COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
>drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
>conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
>He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
>died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
>for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
>result.

There is another point. The Dr. John Campbell in the video is not a
medical doctor. He is, or was, in fact a teacher in a school for
nurses and has authored several(I believe) books on nursing.

It might be pointed out that"nurses" are not qualified to diagnose
diseases nor to prescribe treatments.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:01:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
>> >
>> >I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
>> Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
>> and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
>> lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
>> COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
>> drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
>> conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
>> He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
>> died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
>> for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
>> result.
>
>Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
>
>Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?

But Tommy, your famous "pandemic specialist" is nothing but a chap
who's claim to fame is that he is a teacher of nurses and had/has
written book(s) on nursing. He is not a medical doctor. Only a bed pan
changer, one might say.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:01:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
> >> >
> >> >I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
> >> Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
> >> and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
> >> lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
> >> COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
> >> drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
> >> conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
> >> He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
> >> died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
> >> for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
> >> result.
> >
> >Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
> >
> >Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?
> But Tommy, your famous "pandemic specialist" is nothing but a chap
> who's claim to fame is that he is a teacher of nurses and had/has
> written book(s) on nursing. He is not a medical doctor. Only a bed pan
> changer, one might say.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

John, one should not say that. At all. I have several nurses in my family.. While bed pan changing may have been and was one task they performed, they did many other important tasks too. An electrical engineer may solder a wire during his work. But I would not demean him by saying that is all he does. Or a civil engineer may measure a room or tract of land with a tape measure. But that is not all he does.

But of course the nurses in my family actually knew about medicine from working with and within it all their lives. Unlike Tommy, they did not just make things up or pull them out of their backside. They were professionals with an education and training. Not Tommy.

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 2:44:33 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 12:38:59 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> >On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> ><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
> >>
> >>I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
> >
> >Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
> >and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
> >lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
> >COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
> >drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
> >conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
> >He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
> >died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
> >for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
> >result.
> There is another point. The Dr. John Campbell in the video is not a
> medical doctor. He is, or was, in fact a teacher in a school for
> nurses and has authored several(I believe) books on nursing.
>
> It might be pointed out that"nurses" are not qualified to diagnose
> diseases nor to prescribe treatments.

Slow Johnny is looking at Wikipedia which among other things says, "In November 2021, Campbell made false claims about the use of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment"

This is the sort of sources that Slow Johnny loves to use.

Instead:
https://truthbasedmedia.com/2022/02/14/new-study-confirms-ivermectin-outperforms-other-options/
https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/national/ivermectin-obliterates-97-percent-of-delhi-cases/article_6a3be6b2-c31f-11eb-836d-2722d2325a08.html
https://www.captainsjournal.com/2022/01/19/new-peer-reviewed-study-shows-ivermectin-significantly-reduces-covid-infections-hospitalization-and-mortality-rates/
https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article/114/11/780/6143037?login=false

Just imagine, it only took 15 Google pages to discover that Ivermectin actually works. 15 pages warning you that Ivermectin was poisonous and would kill you when not only is this one of the safest drugs in the world but it costs less than $10 for a course of treatment vs hundreds of dollars for the vaccines that have shown bpth NOT to prevent covid-19 but to be a clear and present danger themselves.

Slow Johnny strikes again with that truth of his.

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 2:50:07 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:01:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
> >> >
> >> >I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
> >> Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
> >> and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
> >> lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
> >> COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
> >> drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
> >> conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
> >> He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
> >> died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
> >> for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
> >> result.
> >
> >Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
> >
> >Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?
> But Tommy, your famous "pandemic specialist" is nothing but a chap
> who's claim to fame is that he is a teacher of nurses and had/has
> written book(s) on nursing. He is not a medical doctor. Only a bed pan
> changer, one might say.

He has a Phd. in health science.
What can you do with a masters in health science?

Pediatrics
Physical Therapy
Neurology
Oncology

Tell us very Slow Johnny Do you even know what oncology or neurology is? What about pediatrics?

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:22:22 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:01:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
> > >> >
> > >> >I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
> > >> Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
> > >> and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
> > >> lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
> > >> COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
> > >> drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
> > >> conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
> > >> He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
> > >> died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
> > >> for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
> > >> result.
> > >
> > >Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies.. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
> > >
> > >Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?
> > But Tommy, your famous "pandemic specialist" is nothing but a chap
> > who's claim to fame is that he is a teacher of nurses and had/has
> > written book(s) on nursing. He is not a medical doctor. Only a bed pan
> > changer, one might say.
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John B.
> John, one should not say that. At all. I have several nurses in my family.. While bed pan changing may have been and was one task they performed, they did many other important tasks too. An electrical engineer may solder a wire during his work. But I would not demean him by saying that is all he does. Or a civil engineer may measure a room or tract of land with a tape measure. But that is not all he does.
>
> But of course the nurses in my family actually knew about medicine from working with and within it all their lives. Unlike Tommy, they did not just make things up or pull them out of their backside. They were professionals with an education and training. Not Tommy.

It must be absolute murder for you to think about how much more money I made treating people's illnesses by making machines that actually work than the piddly sum you've worked your entire life for which Biden is about to make into nothing. I figure you have about two years before you too are a homeless drug addict like half of San Francisco under a Democrat Mayor and a Democrat Governor. Gavin Loathsome has been telling everyone that his budget and state debt are balanced even though the state is spending over 16% more than it earns and owes over $538 Billion. Biden has already in less than two years made it nearly impossible for a large segment of the population of California to eat meat. Your kind of world and pretty quick I predict you will be crying for communism like Frank.

On 2/21/2022 4:49 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:01:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
>>>>
>>>> I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
>>> Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
>>> and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
>>> lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
>>> COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
>>> drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
>>> conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
>>> He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
>>> died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
>>> for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
>>> result.
>>
>> Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
>>
>> Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?
>
> But Tommy, your famous "pandemic specialist" is nothing but a chap
> who's claim to fame is that he is a teacher of nurses and had/has
> written book(s) on nursing. He is not a medical doctor. Only a bed pan
> changer, one might say.
>

Having spent a great deal of quality time with a selection
of RNs over the years, I find that inappropriate.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 2/21/2022 6:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> He has a Phd. in health science.
> What can you do with a masters in health science?
>
> Pediatrics
> Physical Therapy
> Neurology
> Oncology

Wait! Is Tom Kunich now saying that education makes a person
knowledgeable, and qualified to speak on matters he's studied?

Glory be!

Now will Tom convince those without diplomas and degrees to quiet down
and listen to huge numbers of highly educated and trained specialists?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:58:09 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/21/2022 6:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> > He has a Phd. in health science.
> > What can you do with a masters in health science?
> >
> > Pediatrics
> > Physical Therapy
> > Neurology
> > Oncology
> Wait! Is Tom Kunich now saying that education makes a person
> knowledgeable, and qualified to speak on matters he's studied?
>
> Glory be!
>
> Now will Tom convince those without diplomas and degrees to quiet down
> and listen to huge numbers of highly educated and trained specialists?

He has a PhD Frank, and he has actually studied his subject. What do you have? If you were a real engineer you would have obtained a job as a real engineer. So tell me all about how some worthless amateur like yourself pretends to be educated?

On 2/21/2022 7:15 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:58:09 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/21/2022 6:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>
>>> He has a Phd. in health science.
>>> What can you do with a masters in health science?
>>>
>>> Pediatrics
>>> Physical Therapy
>>> Neurology
>>> Oncology
>> Wait! Is Tom Kunich now saying that education makes a person
>> knowledgeable, and qualified to speak on matters he's studied?
>>
>> Glory be!
>>
>> Now will Tom convince those without diplomas and degrees to quiet down
>> and listen to huge numbers of highly educated and trained specialists?
>
> He has a PhD Frank, and he has actually studied his subject. What do you have?

:-) I have even more than a high school diploma! Aren't you jealous?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 5:32:53 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 2:44:33 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 12:38:59 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> > wrote:
> > >On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > ><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
> > >>
> > >>I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
> > >
> > >Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
> > >and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
> > >lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
> > >COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
> > >drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
> > >conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
> > >He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
> > >died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
> > >for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
> > >result.
> > There is another point. The Dr. John Campbell in the video is not a
> > medical doctor. He is, or was, in fact a teacher in a school for
> > nurses and has authored several(I believe) books on nursing.
> >
> > It might be pointed out that"nurses" are not qualified to diagnose
> > diseases nor to prescribe treatments.
> Slow Johnny is looking at Wikipedia which among other things says, "In November 2021, Campbell made false claims about the use of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment"
>
> This is the sort of sources that Slow Johnny loves to use.
>
>
> Instead:
> https://truthbasedmedia.com/2022/02/14/new-study-confirms-ivermectin-outperforms-other-options/
> https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/national/ivermectin-obliterates-97-percent-of-delhi-cases/article_6a3be6b2-c31f-11eb-836d-2722d2325a08.html
> https://www.captainsjournal.com/2022/01/19/new-peer-reviewed-study-shows-ivermectin-significantly-reduces-covid-infections-hospitalization-and-mortality-rates/
> https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article/114/11/780/6143037?login=false
>
> Just imagine, it only took 15 Google pages to discover that Ivermectin actually works. 15 pages warning you that Ivermectin was poisonous and would kill you when not only is this one of the safest drugs in the world but it costs less than $10 for a course of treatment vs hundreds of dollars for the vaccines that have shown bpth NOT to prevent covid-19 but to be a clear and present danger themselves.
>
> Slow Johnny strikes again with that truth of his.

Tommy, tommy, tommy, tommy, tommy...
I have told you many times to use credible sources for your facts. Not lunatic right wing Qanon nut wbsites. And yet you continue to glean your education from them.

For fun I went over to the "truthbasedmedia" website. Here are some of the article titles on the page:
"Dr. Vladimir Zelenko Tells Pastor David Scarlett: Covid “Vaccines” Are Changing People Into Transhumans"
"Guilt by Redaction: Ludicrous FOIA Release by NIH Shows Wuhan Virus Complicity MUCH BIGGER Than Most Realize"
Wuhan virus? Isn't that the mockery Trump used?
"An Easy and Effective Shield to Protect From Covid-19"
So this website believes Covid is real otherwise they would not have an article about shielding from the virus.
"Let There Be Lasers: Israel to Surround Borders With ‘Biblical Pillar of Fire’"
"The Nazis Weren’t Defeated… They Went Underground and Now Run CANADA and the WORLD, Pushing Eugenics and Depopulation Agendas"
So the Nazis run Canada and the world? OK.
"National Geographic Has Become Too Woke to Be Taken Seriously"
National Geographic? I still remember them from the 1970s and Marlin Perkins on TV. Great show.
"Pastor Greg Locke Defends Deliverance Ministry After Chasing Suspected Witches From Church"
Witches? I guess that was popular back in the 1600s. Salem witch trials.

Concerning your second link from "thedesertreview". Its an Imperial Valley newspaper. Not sure if paper or just online. I assume you know where Imperial Valley in California is. I do not. But the author of the article is "Justus R. Hope, MD". A pseudonym. He has written other articles and is associated with "Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance". Which sounds awfully similar to "America’s Frontline Doctors (AFLD)". Time has a story on them. Not a favorable story.
https://time.com/6092368/americas-frontline-doctors-covid-19-misinformation/
"Similar stories have flooded anti-vaccine forums and messaging apps in recent weeks as some customers and donors raise doubts about AFLD. The group describes itself as a “non-partisan” group of medical professionals. But it originated as a right-wing political organization, and since its founding has consistently spread medical misinformation. Its name implies the group consists of physicians on the frontlines of the pandemic, but it’s not clear how many of its members have spent any time treating patients with COVID-19."
"Over the past three months, a TIME investigation found, hundreds of AFLD customers and donors have accused the group of touting a service promising prescriptions for ivermectin, which medical authorities say should not be taken to treat or prevent COVID-19, and failing to deliver after a fee had been paid."

So I am going to write off your second link as fraudulent too.

As for your third link from "captainsjournal". Here is a list of the articles in the Recent Articles category.
Testing For Home Defense Ammunition For Carbines
Ottawa Police Kidnapping Protesters
DoJ On Missouri’s Second Amendment Preservation Act
Freedom Convoy Update #2
Tyranny In Canada
Alabama House committee approves permitless pistol carry bill
Freedom Convoy Update
Law Enforcement Shenanigans And Illegalities Against The Freedom Convoy
Wyoming Bill To Block State Enforcement Of Gun Control Laws Filed

Tommy, do you think a website like that is credible? I don't. They seem to be focused on some things pretty strongly.

As for your third link, it appears to be a legitimate website of a legitimate medical group. Yeah. Its a study about using Ivermectin to treat patients with Covid. It seems to say there is a benefit with patients infected with Covid. It is a very small sample though. 62 patients being treated for Covid in the hospital. Some quotes from the article:
"Collectively, these results demonstrate a likely beneficial treatment effect of Ivermectin, to reduce the duration of illness, elicit faster recovery and diminution of qualitative indices of SARS-CoV-2 viral load compared to the usual treatment."
AND
"Further study of Ivermectin 12 mg in the pre-exposure prophylaxis and prevention of community transmission of SARS-CoV-2, such as spoke-and-wheel or targeted hotspots treatment, is now warranted, especially as an interim measure in countries that cannot immediately roll out vaccination programs. We cannot conclude in this study that Ivermectin has a place in prophylaxis, but this warrants investigation."

The study you cite concludes that ivermectin seemed to make recovery from Covid quicker. A few days quicker to healthy. OK. Notice they seem to still be regarding VACCINES as the ultimate goal. But are also saying using ivermectin as a vaccine substitute is a possibility. Based on their tiny tiny tiny study of 62 people over six months. And I will also point out they explicitly say they excluded severe patients, those with a ventilator and in ICU. The seriously ill patients they did not want in this test of ivermectin. They only wanted to test ivermectin on not too sick Covid patients who recovered. Hmm? You do know that Covid morbidity is fairly small. Fractions of 1%. Covid does not kill everyone. Just a few. But when hundreds of millions or billions have it, then the total deaths do add up.

On 2/21/2022 5:00 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:

<snip>

> Tommy, tommy, tommy, tommy, tommy...
> I have told you many times to use credible sources for your facts. Not lunatic right wing Qanon nut wbsites. And yet you continue to glean your education from them.

There are no non-lunatic, non-right-wing Qanon nut web sites that he can
use, so you're asking for the impossible.

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 8:39:06 PM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
> >
> >I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
> Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
> and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
> lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
> COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
> drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
> conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
> He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
> died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
> for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
> result.
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
Nonsense, Jeff. It's an approved way of determining how many excess deaths there were. Actuarial statistics, a branch of demographics dealing with life expectancy, works by exclusions to define a subset either positively or negatively (or in these days of inclusion and vicarious -- more often simply vacuous -- guilt at excluding fuckwits like the ones you're running with) inclusively or exclusively. There are scores of medical thinkers doing it and you catch glimpses of them because it takes balls of steel to speak out when junior-school dimbos like your friends, and Scharfie, in a class of vicious spite by himself, want to lock up people for speaking the truth because the Chinese Pandemic is such a handy tool for the Donkey Party to engineer the theft of elections and to draw a veil of smoke over the Biden Administration's failures. -- AJ?
>

On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 7:06:31 PM UTC-6, sms wrote:
> On 2/21/2022 5:00 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> <snip>
> > Tommy, tommy, tommy, tommy, tommy...
> > I have told you many times to use credible sources for your facts. Not lunatic right wing Qanon nut websites. And yet you continue to glean your education from them.
> There are no non-lunatic, non-right-wing Qanon nut web sites that he can
> use, so you're asking for the impossible.

OK. And I did get very confused in my reply and associate Tommy with education. Sorry about that drastic mistake.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 15:22:19 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:01:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
>> >> >
>> >> >I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
>> >> Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
>> >> and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
>> >> lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
>> >> COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
>> >> drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
>> >> conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
>> >> He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
>> >> died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
>> >> for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
>> >> result.
>> >
>> >Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
>> >
>> >Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?
>> But Tommy, your famous "pandemic specialist" is nothing but a chap
>> who's claim to fame is that he is a teacher of nurses and had/has
>> written book(s) on nursing. He is not a medical doctor. Only a bed pan
>> changer, one might say.
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>John, one should not say that. At all. I have several nurses in my family. While bed pan changing may have been and was one task they performed, they did many other important tasks too. An electrical engineer may solder a wire during his work. But I would not demean him by saying that is all he does. Or a civil engineer may measure a room or tract of land with a tape measure. But that is not all he does.

Yes, I was of course being sarcastic, but I do maintain that a nurse
is not a doctor and is thus is not qualified to diagnose nor proscribe
treatment.

In the U.S. anyway, there are two levels of Nursing qualification, I
believe. "Registered Nurse" and "Practical Nurse" with different
qualifications, I believe. Or perhaps different levels of training.
>
>But of course the nurses in my family actually knew about medicine from working with and within it all their lives. Unlike Tommy, they did not just make things up or pull them out of their backside. They were professionals with an education and training. Not Tommy.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 15:32:49 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 2:44:33 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 12:38:59 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> ><cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
>> >>
>> >>I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
>> >
>> >Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
>> >and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
>> >lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
>> >COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
>> >drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
>> >conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
>> >He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
>> >died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
>> >for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
>> >result.
>> There is another point. The Dr. John Campbell in the video is not a
>> medical doctor. He is, or was, in fact a teacher in a school for
>> nurses and has authored several(I believe) books on nursing.
>>
>> It might be pointed out that"nurses" are not qualified to diagnose
>> diseases nor to prescribe treatments.
>
>Slow Johnny is looking at Wikipedia which among other things says, "In November 2021, Campbell made false claims about the use of the anti-parasitic drug ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment"
>
>This is the sort of sources that Slow Johnny loves to use.
>
>
>Instead:
>https://truthbasedmedia.com/2022/02/14/new-study-confirms-ivermectin-outperforms-other-options/
>https://www.thedesertreview.com/news/national/ivermectin-obliterates-97-percent-of-delhi-cases/article_6a3be6b2-c31f-11eb-836d-2722d2325a08.html
>https://www.captainsjournal.com/2022/01/19/new-peer-reviewed-study-shows-ivermectin-significantly-reduces-covid-infections-hospitalization-and-mortality-rates/
>https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article/114/11/780/6143037?login=false
>
>Just imagine, it only took 15 Google pages to discover that Ivermectin actually works. 15 pages warning you that Ivermectin was poisonous and would kill you when not only is this one of the safest drugs in the world but it costs less than $10 for a course of treatment vs hundreds of dollars for the vaccines that have shown bpth NOT to prevent covid-19 but to be a clear and present danger themselves.
>
>Slow Johnny strikes again with that truth of his.

Nope Tommy, the difference between you and I is that I prefer the
truth while you prefer any irrational statement that will support your
delusions.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 15:40:53 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 2:50:07 PM UTC-8, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:01:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
>> >> >
>> >> >I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
>> >> Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
>> >> and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
>> >> lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
>> >> COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
>> >> drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
>> >> conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
>> >> He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
>> >> died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
>> >> for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
>> >> result.
>> >
>> >Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
>> >
>> >Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?
>> But Tommy, your famous "pandemic specialist" is nothing but a chap
>> who's claim to fame is that he is a teacher of nurses and had/has
>> written book(s) on nursing. He is not a medical doctor. Only a bed pan
>> changer, one might say.
>
>He has a Phd. in health science.
>What can you do with a masters in health science?
>
>Pediatrics
>Physical Therapy
>Neurology
>Oncology
>
>Tell us very Slow Johnny Do you even know what oncology or neurology is? What about pediatrics?

And yet again the indomitable Tommy falls flat on his arse.... right
out in front of everybody.

https://www.excelsior.edu/article/health-sciences-degree/
"students who earn degrees in health sciences go on to pursue clinical
jobs like dental hygienist, physical therapy assistant, surgical
technician, EKG technologist, veterinary technician, or radiation
therapist, or may pursue non-clinical jobs like medical and health
services manager, claims reviewer, health education specialist, or
community health specialist."

But tell us Tommy, how is it possible for anyone with even a bit of
intelligence to get it wrong... Every Time?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 15:52:37 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:22:22 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
>> > On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:01:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> > >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
>> > >> >
>> > >> >I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
>> > >> Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
>> > >> and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
>> > >> lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
>> > >> COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
>> > >> drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
>> > >> conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
>> > >> He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
>> > >> died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
>> > >> for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
>> > >> result.
>> > >
>> > >Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
>> > >
>> > >Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?
>> > But Tommy, your famous "pandemic specialist" is nothing but a chap
>> > who's claim to fame is that he is a teacher of nurses and had/has
>> > written book(s) on nursing. He is not a medical doctor. Only a bed pan
>> > changer, one might say.
>> > --
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > John B.
>> John, one should not say that. At all. I have several nurses in my family. While bed pan changing may have been and was one task they performed, they did many other important tasks too. An electrical engineer may solder a wire during his work. But I would not demean him by saying that is all he does. Or a civil engineer may measure a room or tract of land with a tape measure. But that is not all he does.
>>
>> But of course the nurses in my family actually knew about medicine from working with and within it all their lives. Unlike Tommy, they did not just make things up or pull them out of their backside. They were professionals with an education and training. Not Tommy.
>
>It must be absolute murder for you to think about how much more money I made treating people's illnesses by making machines that actually work than the piddly sum you've worked your entire life for which Biden is about to make into nothing. I figure you have about two years before you too are a homeless drug addict like half of San Francisco under a Democrat Mayor and a Democrat Governor. Gavin Loathsome has been telling everyone that his budget and state debt are balanced even though the state is spending over 16% more than it earns and owes over $538 Billion. Biden has already in less than two years made it nearly impossible for a large segment of the population of California to eat meat. Your kind of world and pretty quick I predict you will be crying for communism like Frank.

Yes Sir! All that money and lives in a $50,000 house, in a slum, and
whines about the cost of groceries.

By Gorry! I'm glad I'm not "rich" like Tommy.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 17:57:51 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 2/21/2022 4:49 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:01:15 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 12:39:06 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:37:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UHvwWWcjYw
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been saying this for how long? How long have people like the 5 haters on this group been denying the truth of it?
>>>> Amazing. Dr Campbell simply removed from the sample those who died
>>>> and had one or more underlying conditions, leaving only those who
>>>> lacked underlying conditions and therefore had certainly died from
>>>> COVID-19. Of course, the number of COVID-19 deaths counted were
>>>> drastically lower because the elderly have the most underlying
>>>> conditions and the elderly were the one's who are dying of COVID-19.
>>>> He could have done as well by simply removing everyone over 55 who had
>>>> died. Incidentally, this is called "cherry picking" where one selects
>>>> for a sample only those who would produced the politically correct
>>>> result.
>>>
>>> Inform us all - a person that is over the normal average age of death BY AN AVERAGE OF 5.5 YEARS and has between one and eight comorbidities dies. They test him with PCR and say he tests positive for covid-19. So you, with your already demonstrated vast medical knowledge, think they were killed by covid-19? Firstly, the PCR test is NOT nor ever has been an appropriate test so a positive has absolutely NO meaning. Even the CDC has admitted that after I had been arguing that for a year!
>>>
>>> Your mental prowess is really impressive since you are perfectly willing to contradict a pandemic specialist. Where did you get all of that vast medical knowledge?
>>
>> But Tommy, your famous "pandemic specialist" is nothing but a chap
>> who's claim to fame is that he is a teacher of nurses and had/has
>> written book(s) on nursing. He is not a medical doctor. Only a bed pan
>> changer, one might say.
>>
>
>Having spent a great deal of quality time with a selection
>of RNs over the years, I find that inappropriate.

Yes, I was being unduly sarcastic but I do maintain that Nurses are
not qualified to either diagnose nor proscribe treatment.
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Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 16:15:03 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, February 21, 2022 at 3:58:09 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/21/2022 6:40 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >
>> > He has a Phd. in health science.
>> > What can you do with a masters in health science?
>> >
>> > Pediatrics
>> > Physical Therapy
>> > Neurology
>> > Oncology
>> Wait! Is Tom Kunich now saying that education makes a person
>> knowledgeable, and qualified to speak on matters he's studied?
>>
>> Glory be!
>>
>> Now will Tom convince those without diplomas and degrees to quiet down
>> and listen to huge numbers of highly educated and trained specialists?
>
>He has a PhD Frank, and he has actually studied his subject. What do you have? If you were a real engineer you would have obtained a job as a real engineer. So tell me all about how some worthless amateur like yourself pretends to be educated?

Your argument is silly. I worked with a bloke, several of them, that
had PhD's and none of them claimed to be sufficiently well educated to
diagnose or treat sick people.
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Cheers,

John B.