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 by: Nic - Thu, 21 Oct 2021 20:22 UTC

On 10/21/21 3:58 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 10/13/2021 3:41 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 10/11/2021 6:20 AM, Snag wrote:
>>> On 10/10/2021 11:20 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My very first powder burner was a .36 Navy CVA kit.  I let it get
>>>> away years ago, but recently decided I wanted one again.  I found
>>>> Dixie Gunworks sold a Pietta kit.  Its rumored on Internet forums
>>>> that Pietta likely made my original CVA kit so I bought one.
>>>>
>>>> Timed to start at the big reveal.
>>>> https://youtu.be/9OuR1x9BK4o?t=269
>>>>
>>>> So... do you have a source for a .36 barrel liner?  I've looked at
>>>> Redman liners before with a thought to use some of them for higher
>>>> power airgun builds.  I don't recall a .36 liner.  Not that there
>>>> isn't one. Its just something I'ld like to know about.
>>>>
>>>
>>>    My first was also a CVA , a .50 plains rifle . It's standing in a
>>> corner . It now wears a 2-7 variable extended eye relief scope
>>> intended for a Mosin-Nagant ... my eyes ain't what they useta be . I
>>> followed up the rifle with an 1860 Navy .36 revolver kit (Navy
>>> version of the 1858 Remington I think) , mostly just sanding and
>>> polishing the frame , wood , and brass parts . Dad liked mine so
>>> much he bought and built a .45 Kentucky Rifle and an 1858 Remington
>>> .44 revolver . I got the revolver , one of my brothers got the
>>> Kentucky Rifle .
>>
>> I'm playing the idea right now (just in the mental images stage at
>> the moment) with the idea making a 209 primer cylinder and firing pin
>> hammer.  It will still be functionally a cap and ball, but it should
>> have better ignition, lower chance of cap jams, and better weather
>> resistance.  I haven't decided to "do it" just yet.  Lots of other
>> projects going.  It would require off gun loading unless I invent
>> some other stuff too, but if I make one cylinder I could make a couple.
>>
>>
>
> Is a 209 significantly longer than a nipple and cap ? Well , I guess
> it wouldn't matter , since you'll be making contact with a point (more
> or less) rather than a flat surface - can you source or fabricate a
> new hammer so you don't destroy the original ? Does it matter to you
> to be able to restore it to original ? I think you'd want to make a
> new drum and the "nipple" can be just a short cylinder ... would you
> want the flash hole a tiny bit larger due to the increased gas output
> from the 209 ? <<My neighbor is a fast-draw competitor , they use
> 209's as the propellant for a wax bullet>>
>   Dammit , all I need is more potential projects whirling around in my
> head ! Today I ordered the rest of the parts I know I need to tear
> down my 1990 FLH trans and replace a whining main drive
> gear/countershaft 5th pair and the primary chain and both sprockets .
> Plus next week I'll be bringing my truck home (son in Memphis , Grrr.)
> with the potential of rebuilding the motor because it got ran out of
> oil - not his fault , broken oil pressure switch for the ID10T light .
> I'll bore scope the cylinders when I get it home and decide then which
> way to go . I might be lucky and it didn't damage the cylinder walls -
> but I doubt that , he thought it had seized so ... If I gotta tear it
> down it ain't goin' back together stock !

You should film all this shit and put it up on utube.

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 by: Bob La Londe - Thu, 21 Oct 2021 20:56 UTC

On 10/21/2021 12:58 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 10/13/2021 3:41 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 10/11/2021 6:20 AM, Snag wrote:
>>> On 10/10/2021 11:20 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My very first powder burner was a .36 Navy CVA kit.  I let it get
>>>> away years ago, but recently decided I wanted one again.  I found
>>>> Dixie Gunworks sold a Pietta kit.  Its rumored on Internet forums
>>>> that Pietta likely made my original CVA kit so I bought one.
>>>>
>>>> Timed to start at the big reveal.
>>>> https://youtu.be/9OuR1x9BK4o?t=269
>>>>
>>>> So... do you have a source for a .36 barrel liner?  I've looked at
>>>> Redman liners before with a thought to use some of them for higher
>>>> power airgun builds.  I don't recall a .36 liner.  Not that there
>>>> isn't one. Its just something I'ld like to know about.
>>>>
>>>
>>>    My first was also a CVA , a .50 plains rifle . It's standing in a
>>> corner . It now wears a 2-7 variable extended eye relief scope
>>> intended for a Mosin-Nagant ... my eyes ain't what they useta be . I
>>> followed up the rifle with an 1860 Navy .36 revolver kit (Navy
>>> version of the 1858 Remington I think) , mostly just sanding and
>>> polishing the frame , wood , and brass parts . Dad liked mine so much
>>> he bought and built a .45 Kentucky Rifle and an 1858 Remington .44
>>> revolver . I got the revolver , one of my brothers got the Kentucky
>>> Rifle .
>>
>> I'm playing the idea right now (just in the mental images stage at the
>> moment) with the idea making a 209 primer cylinder and firing pin
>> hammer.  It will still be functionally a cap and ball, but it should
>> have better ignition, lower chance of cap jams, and better weather
>> resistance.  I haven't decided to "do it" just yet.  Lots of other
>> projects going.  It would require off gun loading unless I invent some
>> other stuff too, but if I make one cylinder I could make a couple.
>>
>>
>
> Is a 209 significantly longer than a nipple and cap ? Well , I guess it
> wouldn't matter , since you'll be making contact with a point (more or
> less) rather than a flat surface - can you source or fabricate a new
> hammer so you don't destroy the original ? Does it matter to you to be
> able to restore it to original ? I think you'd want to make a new drum
> and the "nipple" can be just a short cylinder ... would you want the
> flash hole a tiny bit larger due to the increased gas output from the
> 209 ? <<My neighbor is a fast-draw competitor , they use 209's as the
> propellant for a wax bullet>>

I think it would be no big deal to duplicate the hammer with a hammer
held firing pin much like many early cartridge revolvers like the .32
S&W and the H&R 922 .22 among many others. I think ideally the firing
pin should depress the primer just enough as the area around it lays
flat across the primer. Should help reduce primer bulge or primer pop
as well. With a setup like that I'd start with a light load and work up
until either I got primer bulge or I got similar velocities to regular
#10/11 cap guns.

>   Dammit , all I need is more potential projects whirling around in my
> head ! Today I ordered the rest of the parts I know I need to tear down
> my 1990 FLH trans and replace a whining main drive gear/countershaft 5th
> pair and the primary chain and both sprockets . Plus next week I'll be
> bringing my truck home (son in Memphis , Grrr.) with the potential of
> rebuilding the motor because it got ran out of oil - not his fault ,
> broken oil pressure switch for the ID10T light . I'll bore scope the
> cylinders when I get it home and decide then which way to go . I might
> be lucky and it didn't damage the cylinder walls - but I doubt that , he
> thought it had seized so ... If I gotta tear it down it ain't goin' back
> together stock !

Good luck. I've gotten to hate working on vehicles. Only reason I do
it is because I hate paying somebody to do it wrong or not do what I
asked even more. To many times in my youth I was up late fixing my
vehicle so I could make it to work the next morning. Usually very
early. One time I got home early with a need for sleep when smoke
poured out from under the dash because the entire wiring harness
suddenly melted down. I was up until 3am chasing wires so I could be to
work by 6:30. It wasn't the first time I had set that car on fire
either. The first time there was less smoke, but more fire when a
hydraulic clutch line burst spraying fluid all over a red hot header
pipe. I hate working on vehicles. When I can I get my son to do it.
He's not the world's best mechanic, but with him I can work in the shop
and walk out every once in a while to double check his work. He also
follows directions fairly well, and he isn't afraid to tell me when I am
just plane wrong.

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 by: Snag - Thu, 21 Oct 2021 21:32 UTC

On 10/21/2021 3:22 PM, Nic wrote:
> On 10/21/21 3:58 PM, Snag wrote:
>> On 10/13/2021 3:41 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2021 6:20 AM, Snag wrote:
>>>> On 10/10/2021 11:20 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My very first powder burner was a .36 Navy CVA kit.  I let it get
>>>>> away years ago, but recently decided I wanted one again.  I found
>>>>> Dixie Gunworks sold a Pietta kit.  Its rumored on Internet forums
>>>>> that Pietta likely made my original CVA kit so I bought one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Timed to start at the big reveal.
>>>>> https://youtu.be/9OuR1x9BK4o?t=269
>>>>>
>>>>> So... do you have a source for a .36 barrel liner?  I've looked at
>>>>> Redman liners before with a thought to use some of them for higher
>>>>> power airgun builds.  I don't recall a .36 liner.  Not that there
>>>>> isn't one. Its just something I'ld like to know about.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    My first was also a CVA , a .50 plains rifle . It's standing in a
>>>> corner . It now wears a 2-7 variable extended eye relief scope
>>>> intended for a Mosin-Nagant ... my eyes ain't what they useta be . I
>>>> followed up the rifle with an 1860 Navy .36 revolver kit (Navy
>>>> version of the 1858 Remington I think) , mostly just sanding and
>>>> polishing the frame , wood , and brass parts . Dad liked mine so
>>>> much he bought and built a .45 Kentucky Rifle and an 1858 Remington
>>>> .44 revolver . I got the revolver , one of my brothers got the
>>>> Kentucky Rifle .
>>>
>>> I'm playing the idea right now (just in the mental images stage at
>>> the moment) with the idea making a 209 primer cylinder and firing pin
>>> hammer.  It will still be functionally a cap and ball, but it should
>>> have better ignition, lower chance of cap jams, and better weather
>>> resistance.  I haven't decided to "do it" just yet.  Lots of other
>>> projects going.  It would require off gun loading unless I invent
>>> some other stuff too, but if I make one cylinder I could make a couple.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is a 209 significantly longer than a nipple and cap ? Well , I guess
>> it wouldn't matter , since you'll be making contact with a point (more
>> or less) rather than a flat surface - can you source or fabricate a
>> new hammer so you don't destroy the original ? Does it matter to you
>> to be able to restore it to original ? I think you'd want to make a
>> new drum and the "nipple" can be just a short cylinder ... would you
>> want the flash hole a tiny bit larger due to the increased gas output
>> from the 209 ? <<My neighbor is a fast-draw competitor , they use
>> 209's as the propellant for a wax bullet>>
>>   Dammit , all I need is more potential projects whirling around in my
>> head ! Today I ordered the rest of the parts I know I need to tear
>> down my 1990 FLH trans and replace a whining main drive
>> gear/countershaft 5th pair and the primary chain and both sprockets .
>> Plus next week I'll be bringing my truck home (son in Memphis , Grrr.)
>> with the potential of rebuilding the motor because it got ran out of
>> oil - not his fault , broken oil pressure switch for the ID10T light .
>> I'll bore scope the cylinders when I get it home and decide then which
>> way to go . I might be lucky and it didn't damage the cylinder walls -
>> but I doubt that , he thought it had seized so ... If I gotta tear it
>> down it ain't goin' back together stock !
>
> You should film all this shit and put it up on utube.
>
>
>

I think I'll pass ... I've got nothing to prove to anyone , and these
days I prefer to keep as low a profile as I can .
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Snag
Let's Go Brandon !

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 by: Nic - Thu, 21 Oct 2021 21:41 UTC

On 10/21/21 5:32 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 10/21/2021 3:22 PM, Nic wrote:
>> On 10/21/21 3:58 PM, Snag wrote:
>>> On 10/13/2021 3:41 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2021 6:20 AM, Snag wrote:
>>>>> On 10/10/2021 11:20 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My very first powder burner was a .36 Navy CVA kit.  I let it get
>>>>>> away years ago, but recently decided I wanted one again.  I found
>>>>>> Dixie Gunworks sold a Pietta kit. Its rumored on Internet forums
>>>>>> that Pietta likely made my original CVA kit so I bought one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Timed to start at the big reveal.
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/9OuR1x9BK4o?t=269
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So... do you have a source for a .36 barrel liner?  I've looked
>>>>>> at Redman liners before with a thought to use some of them for
>>>>>> higher power airgun builds.  I don't recall a .36 liner.  Not
>>>>>> that there isn't one. Its just something I'ld like to know about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    My first was also a CVA , a .50 plains rifle . It's standing in
>>>>> a corner . It now wears a 2-7 variable extended eye relief scope
>>>>> intended for a Mosin-Nagant ... my eyes ain't what they useta be .
>>>>> I followed up the rifle with an 1860 Navy .36 revolver kit (Navy
>>>>> version of the 1858 Remington I think) , mostly just sanding and
>>>>> polishing the frame , wood , and brass parts . Dad liked mine so
>>>>> much he bought and built a .45 Kentucky Rifle and an 1858
>>>>> Remington .44 revolver . I got the revolver , one of my brothers
>>>>> got the Kentucky Rifle .
>>>>
>>>> I'm playing the idea right now (just in the mental images stage at
>>>> the moment) with the idea making a 209 primer cylinder and firing
>>>> pin hammer.  It will still be functionally a cap and ball, but it
>>>> should have better ignition, lower chance of cap jams, and better
>>>> weather resistance.  I haven't decided to "do it" just yet.  Lots
>>>> of other projects going.  It would require off gun loading unless I
>>>> invent some other stuff too, but if I make one cylinder I could
>>>> make a couple.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is a 209 significantly longer than a nipple and cap ? Well , I guess
>>> it wouldn't matter , since you'll be making contact with a point
>>> (more or less) rather than a flat surface - can you source or
>>> fabricate a new hammer so you don't destroy the original ? Does it
>>> matter to you to be able to restore it to original ? I think you'd
>>> want to make a new drum and the "nipple" can be just a short
>>> cylinder ... would you want the flash hole a tiny bit larger due to
>>> the increased gas output from the 209 ? <<My neighbor is a fast-draw
>>> competitor , they use 209's as the propellant for a wax bullet>>
>>>   Dammit , all I need is more potential projects whirling around in
>>> my head ! Today I ordered the rest of the parts I know I need to
>>> tear down my 1990 FLH trans and replace a whining main drive
>>> gear/countershaft 5th pair and the primary chain and both sprockets
>>> . Plus next week I'll be bringing my truck home (son in Memphis ,
>>> Grrr.) with the potential of rebuilding the motor because it got ran
>>> out of oil - not his fault , broken oil pressure switch for the
>>> ID10T light . I'll bore scope the cylinders when I get it home and
>>> decide then which way to go . I might be lucky and it didn't damage
>>> the cylinder walls - but I doubt that , he thought it had seized so
>>> ... If I gotta tear it down it ain't goin' back together stock !
>>
>> You should film all this shit and put it up on utube.
>>
>>
>>
>
>   I think I'll pass ... I've got nothing to prove to anyone , and
> these days I prefer to keep as low a profile as I can .

I understand, it is our loss.

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 by: Snag - Thu, 21 Oct 2021 21:45 UTC

On 10/21/2021 3:56 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> On 10/21/2021 12:58 PM, Snag wrote:
>> On 10/13/2021 3:41 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>> On 10/11/2021 6:20 AM, Snag wrote:
>>>> On 10/10/2021 11:20 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My very first powder burner was a .36 Navy CVA kit.  I let it get
>>>>> away years ago, but recently decided I wanted one again.  I found
>>>>> Dixie Gunworks sold a Pietta kit.  Its rumored on Internet forums
>>>>> that Pietta likely made my original CVA kit so I bought one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Timed to start at the big reveal.
>>>>> https://youtu.be/9OuR1x9BK4o?t=269
>>>>>
>>>>> So... do you have a source for a .36 barrel liner?  I've looked at
>>>>> Redman liners before with a thought to use some of them for higher
>>>>> power airgun builds.  I don't recall a .36 liner.  Not that there
>>>>> isn't one. Its just something I'ld like to know about.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    My first was also a CVA , a .50 plains rifle . It's standing in a
>>>> corner . It now wears a 2-7 variable extended eye relief scope
>>>> intended for a Mosin-Nagant ... my eyes ain't what they useta be . I
>>>> followed up the rifle with an 1860 Navy .36 revolver kit (Navy
>>>> version of the 1858 Remington I think) , mostly just sanding and
>>>> polishing the frame , wood , and brass parts . Dad liked mine so
>>>> much he bought and built a .45 Kentucky Rifle and an 1858 Remington
>>>> .44 revolver . I got the revolver , one of my brothers got the
>>>> Kentucky Rifle .
>>>
>>> I'm playing the idea right now (just in the mental images stage at
>>> the moment) with the idea making a 209 primer cylinder and firing pin
>>> hammer.  It will still be functionally a cap and ball, but it should
>>> have better ignition, lower chance of cap jams, and better weather
>>> resistance.  I haven't decided to "do it" just yet.  Lots of other
>>> projects going.  It would require off gun loading unless I invent
>>> some other stuff too, but if I make one cylinder I could make a couple.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Is a 209 significantly longer than a nipple and cap ? Well , I guess
>> it wouldn't matter , since you'll be making contact with a point (more
>> or less) rather than a flat surface - can you source or fabricate a
>> new hammer so you don't destroy the original ? Does it matter to you
>> to be able to restore it to original ? I think you'd want to make a
>> new drum and the "nipple" can be just a short cylinder ... would you
>> want the flash hole a tiny bit larger due to the increased gas output
>> from the 209 ? <<My neighbor is a fast-draw competitor , they use
>> 209's as the propellant for a wax bullet>>
>
> I think it would be no big deal to duplicate the hammer with a hammer
> held firing pin much like many early cartridge revolvers like the .32
> S&W and the H&R 922 .22 among many others.  I think ideally the firing
> pin should depress the primer just enough as the area around it lays
> flat across the primer.  Should help reduce primer bulge or primer pop
> as well.  With a setup like that I'd start with a light load and work up
> until either I got primer bulge or I got similar velocities to regular
> #10/11 cap guns.
>
>
>>    Dammit , all I need is more potential projects whirling around in
>> my head ! Today I ordered the rest of the parts I know I need to tear
>> down my 1990 FLH trans and replace a whining main drive
>> gear/countershaft 5th pair and the primary chain and both sprockets .
>> Plus next week I'll be bringing my truck home (son in Memphis , Grrr.)
>> with the potential of rebuilding the motor because it got ran out of
>> oil - not his fault , broken oil pressure switch for the ID10T light .
>> I'll bore scope the cylinders when I get it home and decide then which
>> way to go . I might be lucky and it didn't damage the cylinder walls -
>> but I doubt that , he thought it had seized so ... If I gotta tear it
>> down it ain't goin' back together stock !
>
> Good luck.  I've gotten to hate working on vehicles.  Only reason I do
> it is because I hate paying somebody to do it wrong or not do what I
> asked even more.  To many times in my youth I was up late fixing my
> vehicle so I could make it to work the next morning.  Usually very
> early.  One time I got home early with a need for sleep when smoke
> poured out from under the dash because the entire wiring harness
> suddenly melted down.  I was up until 3am chasing wires so I could be to
> work by 6:30.  It wasn't the first time I had set that car on fire
> either.  The first time there was less smoke, but more fire when a
> hydraulic clutch line burst spraying fluid all over a red hot header
> pipe.  I hate working on vehicles.  When I can I get my son to do it.
> He's not the world's best mechanic, but with him I can work in the shop
> and walk out every once in a while to double check his work.  He also
> follows directions fairly well, and he isn't afraid to tell me when I am
> just plane wrong.
>
>

I don't hate it ... I just don't enjoy it as much as I did 40 years
ago .
I will not let anyone else work on my bikes in particular . Nobody
cares as much about Snag's ass as Snag ... The cars , well , it's as you
say much cheaper to do it yourself . My son can wrench some , but
unfortunately his work doesn't quite meet my standards . I don't take
shortcuts . The one exception to do it myself is automatic transmissions
.. I know there's nothing mysterious about them , but I just don't have
the specialized tools needed and have no desire to buy or make them .
I gotta say , I'm kinda looking forward to building this motor . The
GM 305 has a lot of potential , I'm thinking a low RPM torque cam , say
around .460" lift and around 270° duration with around 9.25 CR , a mid
rise manifold (Edelbrock Torker ?) and some small tube headers . It's
got a 700R4 trans , and I'll be installing that set of 3.42's that are
sitting next to my desk in the axle . It's not going to be a screamer ,
just a decent truck with snappy acceleration .
--
Snag
Let's Go Brandon !

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 by: rbowman - Fri, 22 Oct 2021 01:30 UTC

On 10/21/2021 03:45 PM, Snag wrote:
> I will not let anyone else work on my bikes in particular . Nobody
> cares as much about Snag's ass as Snag ... The cars , well , it's as you
> say much cheaper to do it yourself . My son can wrench some , but
> unfortunately his work doesn't quite meet my standards . I don't take
> shortcuts . The one exception to do it myself is automatic transmissions
> . I know there's nothing mysterious about them , but I just don't have
> the specialized tools needed and have no desire to buy or make them .

My only brush with an AT was the Torqueflite out of a '60 Plymouth. I
had big balls and no special tools. Taking out internal snap rings with
a couple of ice picks was interesting.

Ultimately the car wound up with a manual, which involved fabricating a
hydraulic clutch. After a roadside inspection courtesy of the NY State
Police I replaced the rear axle. The AT parking brake was a drum on the
tail of the tranny and I needed a working parking brake to make Occifer
Friendly happy. More fabrication.

When I went into the service I pulled the engine, drove over to a
friend's house, and left it hanging from the garage rafters, He wasn't
home and his mother was a little bemused but she was sort of used to
strange shit when I was around.

I work on the bikes and the semi-retired F150 but the Toyota doesn't ask
for much except an oil change every 5000. Can't say I miss the drama.

The next project will be the DR650 which marks its spot. I think it is
the chain tensioner gasket which isn't too bad. The earlier versions
tended to have base gasket problems but mine has the steel gasket that
was supposed to be the fix. Oil being what it is means a tablespoon full
covers everything and looks like the end of the world making the source
difficult to find. I've got to remember to pick up some baby powder. I
tried some chalk I had in the shop but it didn't work all that well.

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 by: Bob La Londe - Fri, 22 Oct 2021 16:18 UTC

On 10/21/2021 2:45 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 10/21/2021 3:56 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>> On 10/21/2021 12:58 PM, Snag wrote:
>>> On 10/13/2021 3:41 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2021 6:20 AM, Snag wrote:
>>>>> On 10/10/2021 11:20 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My very first powder burner was a .36 Navy CVA kit.  I let it get
>>>>>> away years ago, but recently decided I wanted one again.  I found
>>>>>> Dixie Gunworks sold a Pietta kit.  Its rumored on Internet forums
>>>>>> that Pietta likely made my original CVA kit so I bought one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Timed to start at the big reveal.
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/9OuR1x9BK4o?t=269
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So... do you have a source for a .36 barrel liner?  I've looked at
>>>>>> Redman liners before with a thought to use some of them for higher
>>>>>> power airgun builds.  I don't recall a .36 liner.  Not that there
>>>>>> isn't one. Its just something I'ld like to know about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    My first was also a CVA , a .50 plains rifle . It's standing in
>>>>> a corner . It now wears a 2-7 variable extended eye relief scope
>>>>> intended for a Mosin-Nagant ... my eyes ain't what they useta be .
>>>>> I followed up the rifle with an 1860 Navy .36 revolver kit (Navy
>>>>> version of the 1858 Remington I think) , mostly just sanding and
>>>>> polishing the frame , wood , and brass parts . Dad liked mine so
>>>>> much he bought and built a .45 Kentucky Rifle and an 1858 Remington
>>>>> .44 revolver . I got the revolver , one of my brothers got the
>>>>> Kentucky Rifle .
>>>>
>>>> I'm playing the idea right now (just in the mental images stage at
>>>> the moment) with the idea making a 209 primer cylinder and firing
>>>> pin hammer.  It will still be functionally a cap and ball, but it
>>>> should have better ignition, lower chance of cap jams, and better
>>>> weather resistance.  I haven't decided to "do it" just yet.  Lots of
>>>> other projects going.  It would require off gun loading unless I
>>>> invent some other stuff too, but if I make one cylinder I could make
>>>> a couple.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is a 209 significantly longer than a nipple and cap ? Well , I guess
>>> it wouldn't matter , since you'll be making contact with a point
>>> (more or less) rather than a flat surface - can you source or
>>> fabricate a new hammer so you don't destroy the original ? Does it
>>> matter to you to be able to restore it to original ? I think you'd
>>> want to make a new drum and the "nipple" can be just a short cylinder
>>> ... would you want the flash hole a tiny bit larger due to the
>>> increased gas output from the 209 ? <<My neighbor is a fast-draw
>>> competitor , they use 209's as the propellant for a wax bullet>>
>>
>> I think it would be no big deal to duplicate the hammer with a hammer
>> held firing pin much like many early cartridge revolvers like the .32
>> S&W and the H&R 922 .22 among many others.  I think ideally the firing
>> pin should depress the primer just enough as the area around it lays
>> flat across the primer.  Should help reduce primer bulge or primer pop
>> as well.  With a setup like that I'd start with a light load and work
>> up until either I got primer bulge or I got similar velocities to
>> regular #10/11 cap guns.
>>
>>
>>>    Dammit , all I need is more potential projects whirling around in
>>> my head ! Today I ordered the rest of the parts I know I need to tear
>>> down my 1990 FLH trans and replace a whining main drive
>>> gear/countershaft 5th pair and the primary chain and both sprockets .
>>> Plus next week I'll be bringing my truck home (son in Memphis ,
>>> Grrr.) with the potential of rebuilding the motor because it got ran
>>> out of oil - not his fault , broken oil pressure switch for the ID10T
>>> light . I'll bore scope the cylinders when I get it home and decide
>>> then which way to go . I might be lucky and it didn't damage the
>>> cylinder walls - but I doubt that , he thought it had seized so ...
>>> If I gotta tear it down it ain't goin' back together stock !
>>
>> Good luck.  I've gotten to hate working on vehicles.  Only reason I do
>> it is because I hate paying somebody to do it wrong or not do what I
>> asked even more.  To many times in my youth I was up late fixing my
>> vehicle so I could make it to work the next morning.  Usually very
>> early.  One time I got home early with a need for sleep when smoke
>> poured out from under the dash because the entire wiring harness
>> suddenly melted down.  I was up until 3am chasing wires so I could be
>> to work by 6:30.  It wasn't the first time I had set that car on fire
>> either.  The first time there was less smoke, but more fire when a
>> hydraulic clutch line burst spraying fluid all over a red hot header
>> pipe.  I hate working on vehicles.  When I can I get my son to do it.
>> He's not the world's best mechanic, but with him I can work in the
>> shop and walk out every once in a while to double check his work.  He
>> also follows directions fairly well, and he isn't afraid to tell me
>> when I am just plane wrong.
>>
>>
>
>   I don't hate it ... I just don't enjoy it as much as I did 40 years
> ago .
>   I will not let anyone else work on my bikes in particular . Nobody
> cares as much about Snag's ass as Snag ... The cars , well , it's as you
> say much cheaper to do it yourself . My son can wrench some , but
> unfortunately his work doesn't quite meet my standards . I don't take
> shortcuts . The one exception to do it myself is automatic transmissions
> . I know there's nothing mysterious about them , but I just don't have
> the specialized tools needed and have no desire to buy or make them .
>   I gotta say , I'm kinda looking forward to building this motor . The
> GM 305 has a lot of potential , I'm thinking a low RPM torque cam , say
> around .460" lift and around 270° duration with around 9.25 CR , a mid
> rise manifold (Edelbrock Torker ?) and some small tube headers . It's
> got a 700R4 trans , and I'll be installing that set of 3.42's that are
> sitting next to my desk in the axle . It's not going to be a screamer ,
> just a decent truck with snappy acceleration .

I've repaired two transmissions in my life. One was a Turbo 350 in a 71
Caprice. I tore it completely apart, and was prepared to tank all the
parts I was reusing. I had them in a crate behind the parts washer at
our hardware store. Somebody decided to use the parts washer, and
dumped the brick on top (to keep it from blowing open) into my box of
parts by lifting the lid instead of setting it aside. It broke a
(piston?) large ring with a seal and springs mounted on it. I was broke
after buying the rebuild kit so I was stuck. I think my dad broke it
because he scrapped another transmission to get me a replacement piston
out of another 350. It was the same dimensions, but had fewer springs
on it. I put it all together and it worked great for a couple months,
and then progressively started to fail. It got worse and worse. I left
the car behind on a fairgrounds in Redlands California because it
wouldn't move. The other was a manual transmission in a Ford F150. I
didn't even take the transmission out. I just ripped out the floor
liner, pulled the floor cover, pulled the top of the transmission out,
and snapped on new nylon shifting fork riders. Worked perfectly.

In the past I wrenched because I had to. Now I wrench because I hate
paying somebody to not quite do it right. I can not quite do it right
myself and make my own decision about whether or not its good enough
instead of being surprised when I have to walk home.

I'm a big fan of RV cams (long duration) in "trucks." I put one in a
1982 Bronco with a 351. It would slow walk at idle in first almost as
slow as an old 4 banger Jeep and climb a steep grade doing it. The
other was a 76 Ford F150 (yeah the one above) with a bored over 360. It
would slow walk (crawl) ok, but the big thing is it would tow almost
anything. Not much top end, but if you kept it in its power band when
you shifted it would get to top end in a hurry. That truck had so much
torque I had to drill and bolt through the motor mounts because they
kept tearing when the engine lifted up.


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 by: Bob La Londe - Mon, 25 Oct 2021 17:11 UTC

On 10/21/2021 2:32 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 10/21/2021 3:22 PM, Nic wrote:
>> On 10/21/21 3:58 PM, Snag wrote:
>>> On 10/13/2021 3:41 PM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>> On 10/11/2021 6:20 AM, Snag wrote:
>>>>> On 10/10/2021 11:20 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My very first powder burner was a .36 Navy CVA kit.  I let it get
>>>>>> away years ago, but recently decided I wanted one again.  I found
>>>>>> Dixie Gunworks sold a Pietta kit.  Its rumored on Internet forums
>>>>>> that Pietta likely made my original CVA kit so I bought one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Timed to start at the big reveal.
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/9OuR1x9BK4o?t=269
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So... do you have a source for a .36 barrel liner?  I've looked at
>>>>>> Redman liners before with a thought to use some of them for higher
>>>>>> power airgun builds.  I don't recall a .36 liner.  Not that there
>>>>>> isn't one. Its just something I'ld like to know about.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    My first was also a CVA , a .50 plains rifle . It's standing in
>>>>> a corner . It now wears a 2-7 variable extended eye relief scope
>>>>> intended for a Mosin-Nagant ... my eyes ain't what they useta be .
>>>>> I followed up the rifle with an 1860 Navy .36 revolver kit (Navy
>>>>> version of the 1858 Remington I think) , mostly just sanding and
>>>>> polishing the frame , wood , and brass parts . Dad liked mine so
>>>>> much he bought and built a .45 Kentucky Rifle and an 1858 Remington
>>>>> .44 revolver . I got the revolver , one of my brothers got the
>>>>> Kentucky Rifle .
>>>>
>>>> I'm playing the idea right now (just in the mental images stage at
>>>> the moment) with the idea making a 209 primer cylinder and firing
>>>> pin hammer.  It will still be functionally a cap and ball, but it
>>>> should have better ignition, lower chance of cap jams, and better
>>>> weather resistance.  I haven't decided to "do it" just yet.  Lots of
>>>> other projects going.  It would require off gun loading unless I
>>>> invent some other stuff too, but if I make one cylinder I could make
>>>> a couple.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is a 209 significantly longer than a nipple and cap ? Well , I guess
>>> it wouldn't matter , since you'll be making contact with a point
>>> (more or less) rather than a flat surface - can you source or
>>> fabricate a new hammer so you don't destroy the original ? Does it
>>> matter to you to be able to restore it to original ? I think you'd
>>> want to make a new drum and the "nipple" can be just a short cylinder
>>> ... would you want the flash hole a tiny bit larger due to the
>>> increased gas output from the 209 ? <<My neighbor is a fast-draw
>>> competitor , they use 209's as the propellant for a wax bullet>>
>>>   Dammit , all I need is more potential projects whirling around in
>>> my head ! Today I ordered the rest of the parts I know I need to tear
>>> down my 1990 FLH trans and replace a whining main drive
>>> gear/countershaft 5th pair and the primary chain and both sprockets .
>>> Plus next week I'll be bringing my truck home (son in Memphis ,
>>> Grrr.) with the potential of rebuilding the motor because it got ran
>>> out of oil - not his fault , broken oil pressure switch for the ID10T
>>> light . I'll bore scope the cylinders when I get it home and decide
>>> then which way to go . I might be lucky and it didn't damage the
>>> cylinder walls - but I doubt that , he thought it had seized so ...
>>> If I gotta tear it down it ain't goin' back together stock !
>>
>> You should film all this shit and put it up on utube.
>>
>>
>>
>
>   I think I'll pass ... I've got nothing to prove to anyone , and these
> days I prefer to keep as low a profile as I can .

Today most frequent YouTube posters seemed to be focused on views,
likes, and monetization. When I first discovered YouTube there seemed
to be a fair amount of just paying it forward and helping people out.
There is still a certain amount of that, but often they get drowned out
by the noise. Some started out as just paying it forward and helping
and they still produce helpful content, but not to the same level
because they are trying to crank out a video every so often. Sadly
YouTube has become like Google. The search results are driven by ad
revenue instead of accuracy so there is a lot of great content that's
hard to find now.

I don't know what I was saying there exactly. Just that it certainly
would not be a bad thing if somebody like yourself posted real projects
on a personal basis rather than flashy commercially drive drivel.

The main reason I don't post more videos myself is that it takes time to
produce a quality video. Often a project I could do in a few hours
takes all day if I take time to plan all the processes to get good shots
for video. I'm not a professional YouTuber. I need to get the job done
and move on to the next one.

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 by: Bruce Jender - Mon, 25 Oct 2021 22:50 UTC

On 10/21/21 7:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 10/21/2021 03:45 PM, Snag wrote:
>>   I will not let anyone else work on my bikes in particular . Nobody
>> cares as much about Snag's ass as Snag ... The cars , well , it's as you
>> say much cheaper to do it yourself . My son can wrench some , but
>> unfortunately his work doesn't quite meet my standards . I don't take
>> shortcuts . The one exception to do it myself is automatic transmissions
>> . I know there's nothing mysterious about them , but I just don't have
>> the specialized tools needed and have no desire to buy or make them .
>
> My only brush with an AT was the Torqueflite out of a '60 Plymouth. I
> had big balls and no special tools. Taking out internal snap rings with
> a couple of ice picks was interesting.
>
> Ultimately the car wound up with a manual, which involved fabricating a
> hydraulic clutch. After a roadside inspection courtesy of the NY State
> Police I replaced the rear axle. The AT parking brake was a drum on the
> tail of the tranny and I needed a working parking brake to make Occifer
> Friendly happy. More fabrication.
>
> When I went into the service I pulled the engine, drove over to a
> friend's house, and left it hanging from the garage rafters, He wasn't
> home and his mother was a little bemused but she was sort of used to
> strange shit when I was around.
>
> I work on the bikes and the semi-retired F150 but the Toyota doesn't ask
> for much except an oil change every 5000. Can't say I miss the drama.
>
> The next project will be the DR650 which marks its spot. I think it is
> the chain tensioner gasket which isn't too bad. The earlier versions
> tended to have base gasket problems but mine has the steel gasket that
> was supposed to be the fix. Oil being what it is means a tablespoon full
> covers everything and looks like the end of the world making the source
> difficult to find. I've got to remember to pick up some baby powder. I
> tried some chalk I had in the shop but it didn't work all that well.
>
>

I wonder if I may interrupt all this mainsplaining macho talk to ask you
your opinion on this article. Not so much your opinion about the
journalist who wrote it, but how accurately it describes Montana where
you live.

https://www.chron.com/news/article/Montanans-used-to-live-and-let-live-Now-bitter-16561244.php

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Mon, 25 Oct 2021 23:16 UTC

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message news:sl6of6$qk9$1@gioia.aioe.org...
.....
The main reason I don't post more videos myself is that it takes time to
produce a quality video. Often a project I could do in a few hours
takes all day if I take time to plan all the processes to get good shots
for video. I'm not a professional YouTuber. I need to get the job done
and move on to the next one.

------------------------

The reason great science fiction books don't translate well to film is the
extreme difficulty of exposition, explaining the details.
The film "Hugo", Martin Scorsese's homage to pioneer special-effects film
maker Georges Melies, is a good example of exposition via dialog over
flashbacks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_(film)
The automaton that draws the plot-advancing picture was actually an X-Y
plotter that moved the pen hand by a magnet under the table.

I've fallen into the engineers' habit of explaining with words plus quick
sketches or annotated photos and often wished we could include them here,
but explaining with only text is good practice.

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 00:54 UTC

"Bruce Jender" wrote in message news:sl7cc9$89s$1@dont-email.me...

I wonder if I may interrupt all this mainsplaining macho talk to ask you
your opinion on this article. Not so much your opinion about the
journalist who wrote it, but how accurately it describes Montana where
you live.

---------------------
Mansplaining is a derogatory code word for useful knowledge co-dependent
liberal urbanites et al. lack, envy, can't steal and despair of acquiring on
their own.

I first saw that envy when working in film and theatre, where the techs are
electrical and mechanical wizards and much of the acting talent can barely
tie shoe laces and have to beg for help fixing anything. Teaching them basic
theatre carpentry was an utter waste of my time. It also shows between the
vital technical and easily replaced office staffs in corporations, and in
groups such as Mensa where technical and liberal arts professionals
socialize together.

If we are bitter it's because those who can't keep up are trying to seize
power and punish us for embarrassing them with our hard-won personal
achievements. "Progressive" really means "Repressive" since they can't
create value, only confiscate and redistribute it. Once more the barbarians
are eager to plunder Rome.

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 by: Snag - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 01:16 UTC

On 10/25/2021 5:50 PM, Bruce Jender wrote:
> On 10/21/21 7:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 10/21/2021 03:45 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>   I will not let anyone else work on my bikes in particular . Nobody
>>> cares as much about Snag's ass as Snag ... The cars , well , it's as you
>>> say much cheaper to do it yourself . My son can wrench some , but
>>> unfortunately his work doesn't quite meet my standards . I don't take
>>> shortcuts . The one exception to do it myself is automatic transmissions
>>> . I know there's nothing mysterious about them , but I just don't have
>>> the specialized tools needed and have no desire to buy or make them .
>>
>> My only brush with an AT was the Torqueflite out of a '60 Plymouth. I
>> had big balls and no special tools. Taking out internal snap rings
>> with a couple of ice picks was interesting.
>>
>> Ultimately the car wound up with a manual, which involved fabricating
>> a hydraulic clutch. After a roadside inspection courtesy of the NY
>> State Police I replaced the rear axle. The AT parking brake was a drum
>> on the tail of the tranny and I needed a working parking brake to make
>> Occifer Friendly happy. More fabrication.
>>
>> When I went into the service I pulled the engine, drove over to a
>> friend's house, and left it hanging from the garage rafters, He wasn't
>> home and his mother was a little bemused but she was sort of used to
>> strange shit when I was around.
>>
>> I work on the bikes and the semi-retired F150 but the Toyota doesn't
>> ask for much except an oil change every 5000. Can't say I miss the drama.
>>
>> The next project will be the DR650 which marks its spot. I think it is
>> the chain tensioner gasket which isn't too bad. The earlier versions
>> tended to have base gasket problems but mine has the steel gasket that
>> was supposed to be the fix. Oil being what it is means a tablespoon
>> full covers everything and looks like the end of the world making the
>> source difficult to find. I've got to remember to pick up some baby
>> powder. I tried some chalk I had in the shop but it didn't work all
>> that well.
>>
>>
>
> I wonder if I may interrupt all this mainsplaining macho talk to ask you
> your opinion on this article.  Not so much your opinion about the
> journalist who wrote it, but how accurately it describes Montana where
> you live.
>
> https://www.chron.com/news/article/Montanans-used-to-live-and-let-live-Now-bitter-16561244.php
>
>

Be quiet boy the men are talking . If you shut your mouth and open
your ears you might learn something ...
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Let's Go Brandon !

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 by: rbowman - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 01:55 UTC

On 10/25/2021 11:11 AM, Bob La Londe wrote:
> Today most frequent YouTube posters seemed to be focused on views,
> likes, and monetization. When I first discovered YouTube there seemed
> to be a fair amount of just paying it forward and helping people out.
> There is still a certain amount of that, but often they get drowned out
> by the noise. Some started out as just paying it forward and helping
> and they still produce helpful content, but not to the same level
> because they are trying to crank out a video every so often. Sadly
> YouTube has become like Google. The search results are driven by ad
> revenue instead of accuracy so there is a lot of great content that's
> hard to find now.

some of the people who were doing youtube guitar and banjo videos went
to Patreon. One banjo person, Clifton Hicks did that and I didn't mind
paying a few bucks. 2020 sucked for a lot of people but the musicians
were hit hard. What had been sort of a hobby became a way to keep beans
in the pot as gigs and private instruction dried up.

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 by: rbowman - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 02:05 UTC

On 10/25/2021 04:50 PM, Bruce Jender wrote:
> I wonder if I may interrupt all this mainsplaining macho talk to ask you
> your opinion on this article. Not so much your opinion about the
> journalist who wrote it, but how accurately it describes Montana where
> you live.
>
> https://www.chron.com/news/article/Montanans-used-to-live-and-let-live-Now-bitter-16561244.php
>
>
> --

If I want horseshit there's a whole bunch in the pasture out back.

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 by: rbowman - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 02:27 UTC

On 10/25/2021 07:16 PM, Snag wrote:
> On 10/25/2021 5:50 PM, Bruce Jender wrote:
>> On 10/21/21 7:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 10/21/2021 03:45 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>> I will not let anyone else work on my bikes in particular . Nobody
>>>> cares as much about Snag's ass as Snag ... The cars , well , it's as
>>>> you
>>>> say much cheaper to do it yourself . My son can wrench some , but
>>>> unfortunately his work doesn't quite meet my standards . I don't take
>>>> shortcuts . The one exception to do it myself is automatic
>>>> transmissions
>>>> . I know there's nothing mysterious about them , but I just don't have
>>>> the specialized tools needed and have no desire to buy or make them .
>>>
>>> My only brush with an AT was the Torqueflite out of a '60 Plymouth. I
>>> had big balls and no special tools. Taking out internal snap rings
>>> with a couple of ice picks was interesting.
>>>
>>> Ultimately the car wound up with a manual, which involved fabricating
>>> a hydraulic clutch. After a roadside inspection courtesy of the NY
>>> State Police I replaced the rear axle. The AT parking brake was a
>>> drum on the tail of the tranny and I needed a working parking brake
>>> to make Occifer Friendly happy. More fabrication.
>>>
>>> When I went into the service I pulled the engine, drove over to a
>>> friend's house, and left it hanging from the garage rafters, He
>>> wasn't home and his mother was a little bemused but she was sort of
>>> used to strange shit when I was around.
>>>
>>> I work on the bikes and the semi-retired F150 but the Toyota doesn't
>>> ask for much except an oil change every 5000. Can't say I miss the
>>> drama.
>>>
>>> The next project will be the DR650 which marks its spot. I think it
>>> is the chain tensioner gasket which isn't too bad. The earlier
>>> versions tended to have base gasket problems but mine has the steel
>>> gasket that was supposed to be the fix. Oil being what it is means a
>>> tablespoon full covers everything and looks like the end of the world
>>> making the source difficult to find. I've got to remember to pick up
>>> some baby powder. I tried some chalk I had in the shop but it didn't
>>> work all that well.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I wonder if I may interrupt all this mainsplaining macho talk to ask
>> you your opinion on this article. Not so much your opinion about the
>> journalist who wrote it, but how accurately it describes Montana where
>> you live.
>>
>> https://www.chron.com/news/article/Montanans-used-to-live-and-let-live-Now-bitter-16561244.php
>>
>>
>
> Be quiet boy the men are talking . If you shut your mouth and open
> your ears you might learn something ...

He probably supports colorful diversity like this:

https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/afghan-teen-facing-rape-charge-in-missoula-is-part-of-resettlement-program

What really sucks about assholes like that is they cast a shadow on the
people who came here and are leading productive lives.

https://www.arabamerica.com/arab-flavors-iraqi-syrian-families-start-new-food-truck-in-missoula/

For historical reasons we have a lot of Hmong that came here when the US
pulled out of Vietnam. I don't recall there ever being problems after
the learned that elk are not really big deer and you need a separate tag.

I'm sure there are a lot of hard working Afghans that just want a new
life but they aren't off to a very good start in this state.

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 by: PaxPerPoten - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 05:58 UTC
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On 10/25/2021 5:50 PM, Bruce Jender wrote:
> On 10/21/21 7:30 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On 10/21/2021 03:45 PM, Snag wrote:
>>>   I will not let anyone else work on my bikes in particular . Nobody
>>> cares as much about Snag's ass as Snag ... The cars , well , it's as you
>>> say much cheaper to do it yourself . My son can wrench some , but
>>> unfortunately his work doesn't quite meet my standards . I don't take
>>> shortcuts . The one exception to do it myself is automatic transmissions
>>> . I know there's nothing mysterious about them , but I just don't have
>>> the specialized tools needed and have no desire to buy or make them .
>>
>> My only brush with an AT was the Torqueflite out of a '60 Plymouth. I
>> had big balls and no special tools. Taking out internal snap rings
>> with a couple of ice picks was interesting.
>>
>> Ultimately the car wound up with a manual, which involved fabricating
>> a hydraulic clutch. After a roadside inspection courtesy of the NY
>> State Police I replaced the rear axle. The AT parking brake was a drum
>> on the tail of the tranny and I needed a working parking brake to make
>> Occifer Friendly happy. More fabrication.
>>
>> When I went into the service I pulled the engine, drove over to a
>> friend's house, and left it hanging from the garage rafters, He wasn't
>> home and his mother was a little bemused but she was sort of used to
>> strange shit when I was around.
>>
>> I work on the bikes and the semi-retired F150 but the Toyota doesn't
>> ask for much except an oil change every 5000. Can't say I miss the drama.
>>
>> The next project will be the DR650 which marks its spot. I think it is
>> the chain tensioner gasket which isn't too bad. The earlier versions
>> tended to have base gasket problems but mine has the steel gasket that
>> was supposed to be the fix. Oil being what it is means a tablespoon
>> full covers everything and looks like the end of the world making the
>> source difficult to find. I've got to remember to pick up some baby
>> powder. I tried some chalk I had in the shop but it didn't work all
>> that well.
>>
>>
>
> I wonder if I may interrupt all this mainsplaining macho talk to ask you
> your opinion on this article.  Not so much your opinion about the
> journalist who wrote it, but how accurately it describes Montana where
> you live.
>
> https://www.chron.com/news/article/Montanans-used-to-live-and-let-live-Now-bitter-16561244.php

So?? What is your point? I see diversity in all of this. Montanans like
the rest of the upper states carry firearms as a matter of course. So if
they show up to rallies armed...Its kind of like showing up wearing your
everyday pants. As for the Gays...They are busily shoving their agenda
down every-bodies throats. Is it wrong to demand that transgenders not
take advantage of better strength to reign supreme in Women's sports?
Could it be that you are jealous of the great clean living in these
parts of America? I do note the news groups you post from. I thought we
had kicked your useless ass and moronic comments back to the RCM group?

>
>

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 by: Jim Wilkins - Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:47 UTC

"PaxPerPoten" wrote in message news:sl85ej$47n$1@dont-email.me...

....I thought we
had kicked your useless ass and moronic comments back to the RCM group?

------------
Where the whining bitter losers are even less welcome.

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 by: Steve W. - Fri, 29 Oct 2021 07:31 UTC

rbowman wrote:
>
> He probably supports colorful diversity like this:
>
> https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/afghan-teen-facing-rape-charge-in-missoula-is-part-of-resettlement-program
>
> What really sucks about assholes like that is they cast a shadow on the
> people who came here and are leading productive lives.
>
> https://www.arabamerica.com/arab-flavors-iraqi-syrian-families-start-new-food-truck-in-missoula/
>
> For historical reasons we have a lot of Hmong that came here when the US
> pulled out of Vietnam. I don't recall there ever being problems after
> the learned that elk are not really big deer and you need a separate tag.
>
> I'm sure there are a lot of hard working Afghans that just want a new
> life but they aren't off to a very good start in this state.

WHAT, Elk are not just big deer? Since when... Guess I'll need to
apologize to the Elk farm again this year.... (But they do taste
better, even though they are a bitch to drag out of the woods)

--
Steve W.

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 by: Gerry - Sat, 30 Oct 2021 03:06 UTC

On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 03:31:49 -0400, "Steve W." <csr684@NOTyahoo.com>
wrote:

>rbowman wrote:
>>
>> He probably supports colorful diversity like this:
>>
>> https://nbcmontana.com/news/local/afghan-teen-facing-rape-charge-in-missoula-is-part-of-resettlement-program
>>
>> What really sucks about assholes like that is they cast a shadow on the
>> people who came here and are leading productive lives.
>>
>> https://www.arabamerica.com/arab-flavors-iraqi-syrian-families-start-new-food-truck-in-missoula/
>>
>> For historical reasons we have a lot of Hmong that came here when the US
>> pulled out of Vietnam. I don't recall there ever being problems after
>> the learned that elk are not really big deer and you need a separate tag.
>>
>> I'm sure there are a lot of hard working Afghans that just want a new
>> life but they aren't off to a very good start in this state.
>
>
>WHAT, Elk are not just big deer? Since when... Guess I'll need to
>apologize to the Elk farm again this year.... (But they do taste
>better, even though they are a bitch to drag out of the woods)
Try a full grown bull moose!

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