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* What did I tell you from the first?Tom Kunich
`* Re: What did I tell you from the first?russellseaton1@yahoo.com
 `* Re: What did I tell you from the first?AMuzi
  `* Re: What did I tell you from the first?Tom Kunich
   `* Re: What did I tell you from the first?Andre Jute
    `* Re: What did I tell you from the first?Tom Kunich
     `* Re: What did I tell you from the first?Frank Krygowski
      `* Re: What did I tell you from the first?Andre Jute
       +- Re: What did I tell you from the first?funkma...@hotmail.com
       `* Re: What did I tell you from the first?Tom Kunich
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         `* Re: What did I tell you from the first?Tom Kunich
          `* Re: What did I tell you from the first?AnotherJim
           `* Re: What did I tell you from the first?Tom Kunich
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Did you get those numbers? Most of the people who died had FOUR or more comorbities and 90% of people who contracted covid-19 had been vaccinated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yo-w7BpLW4 Dr. Moran

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 by: russellseaton1@yahoo - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 22:58 UTC

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 8:55:36 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Did you get those numbers? Most of the people who died had FOUR or more comorbities and 90% of people who contracted covid-19 had been vaccinated.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yo-w7BpLW4 Dr. Moran

Tommy, I have told you about sources before. As have many other people too.. Your source in this YouTube video is a Republican running for Governor of Minnesota. He has appeared on lots of media. Such as Laura Ingraham, Fox News, etc. One of his videos is titled "Do we need an income tax? In Minnesota?"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Jensen_(Minnesota_politician)
"Jensen is an outspoken critic of COVID-19 lockdowns and COVID-19 vaccine requirements. He is seeking the Republican nomination in the 2022 Minnesota gubernatorial election."

There are other fun things said under the section titled "Covid-19 response".

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 by: AMuzi - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 23:08 UTC

On 3/1/2022 4:58 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 8:55:36 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Did you get those numbers? Most of the people who died had FOUR or more comorbities and 90% of people who contracted covid-19 had been vaccinated.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yo-w7BpLW4 Dr. Moran
>
> Tommy, I have told you about sources before. As have many other people too. Your source in this YouTube video is a Republican running for Governor of Minnesota. He has appeared on lots of media. Such as Laura Ingraham, Fox News, etc. One of his videos is titled "Do we need an income tax? In Minnesota?"
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Jensen_(Minnesota_politician)
> "Jensen is an outspoken critic of COVID-19 lockdowns and COVID-19 vaccine requirements. He is seeking the Republican nomination in the 2022 Minnesota gubernatorial election."
>
> There are other fun things said under the section titled "Covid-19 response".
>

I know nothing of the man but no income tax and no
authoritarian, even Trudeauesque, policies would get my vote.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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 by: Tom Kunich - Tue, 1 Mar 2022 23:46 UTC

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:08:14 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/1/2022 4:58 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 8:55:36 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Did you get those numbers? Most of the people who died had FOUR or more comorbities and 90% of people who contracted covid-19 had been vaccinated..
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yo-w7BpLW4 Dr. Moran
> >
> > Tommy, I have told you about sources before. As have many other people too. Your source in this YouTube video is a Republican running for Governor of Minnesota. He has appeared on lots of media. Such as Laura Ingraham, Fox News, etc. One of his videos is titled "Do we need an income tax? In Minnesota?"
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Jensen_(Minnesota_politician)
> > "Jensen is an outspoken critic of COVID-19 lockdowns and COVID-19 vaccine requirements. He is seeking the Republican nomination in the 2022 Minnesota gubernatorial election."
> >
> > There are other fun things said under the section titled "Covid-19 response".
> >
> I know nothing of the man but no income tax and no
> authoritarian, even Trudeauesque, policies would get my vote.

I often wonder what goes through Russell's head. A man cites REAL STATISTICS that agree with 50,000 other doctors, and Russell says he is an unreliable source because he decided to take some actions against this by running for Governor of his state. I can't see even an inkling of a thought in his comments.

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 by: Andre Jute - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 12:32 UTC

On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 11:46:29 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:08:14 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 3/1/2022 4:58 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 8:55:36 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> Did you get those numbers? Most of the people who died had FOUR or more comorbities and 90% of people who contracted covid-19 had been vaccinated.
> > >>
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yo-w7BpLW4 Dr. Moran
> > >
> > > Tommy, I have told you about sources before. As have many other people too. Your source in this YouTube video is a Republican running for Governor of Minnesota. He has appeared on lots of media. Such as Laura Ingraham, Fox News, etc. One of his videos is titled "Do we need an income tax? In Minnesota?"
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Jensen_(Minnesota_politician)
> > > "Jensen is an outspoken critic of COVID-19 lockdowns and COVID-19 vaccine requirements. He is seeking the Republican nomination in the 2022 Minnesota gubernatorial election."
> > >
> > > There are other fun things said under the section titled "Covid-19 response".
> > >
> > I know nothing of the man but no income tax and no
> > authoritarian, even Trudeauesque, policies would get my vote.
> I often wonder what goes through Russell's head. A man cites REAL STATISTICS that agree with 50,000 other doctors, and Russell says he is an unreliable source because he decided to take some actions against this by running for Governor of his state. I can't see even an inkling of a thought in his comments.

Even Seaton doesn't pretend there is any thought in his comments. He's just responding (irrationally) so that for a split second the vitriol spilling out of his mouth can make him feel superior, so that for a second or two he can forget that he spent his worthless life counting money other people made. -- AJ

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 by: Tom Kunich - Wed, 2 Mar 2022 16:57 UTC

On Wednesday, March 2, 2022 at 4:32:51 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 11:46:29 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 3:08:14 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 3/1/2022 4:58 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 8:55:36 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> Did you get those numbers? Most of the people who died had FOUR or more comorbities and 90% of people who contracted covid-19 had been vaccinated.
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yo-w7BpLW4 Dr. Moran
> > > >
> > > > Tommy, I have told you about sources before. As have many other people too. Your source in this YouTube video is a Republican running for Governor of Minnesota. He has appeared on lots of media. Such as Laura Ingraham, Fox News, etc. One of his videos is titled "Do we need an income tax? In Minnesota?"
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Jensen_(Minnesota_politician)
> > > > "Jensen is an outspoken critic of COVID-19 lockdowns and COVID-19 vaccine requirements. He is seeking the Republican nomination in the 2022 Minnesota gubernatorial election."
> > > >
> > > > There are other fun things said under the section titled "Covid-19 response".
> > > >
> > > I know nothing of the man but no income tax and no
> > > authoritarian, even Trudeauesque, policies would get my vote.
> > I often wonder what goes through Russell's head. A man cites REAL STATISTICS that agree with 50,000 other doctors, and Russell says he is an unreliable source because he decided to take some actions against this by running for Governor of his state. I can't see even an inkling of a thought in his comments.
> Even Seaton doesn't pretend there is any thought in his comments. He's just responding (irrationally) so that for a split second the vitriol spilling out of his mouth can make him feel superior, so that for a second or two he can forget that he spent his worthless life counting money other people made. -- AJ

I'm afraid you're right and that is truly sad. It is nothing more than Frank's belief that those who worked for their money should be forced to give it to him.

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 by: Frank Krygowski - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 00:10 UTC

On 3/2/2022 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> It is nothing more than Frank's belief that those who worked for their money should be forced to give it to him.

Tom, the only reason you misrepresent my views like that is that you
fail so badly at countering what I have actually said.

Don't argue against what you _wish_ I said.

As I discussed with a friend this afternoon, I'm searching for worthy
charities to give money to. I certainly don't need anyone to give money
to me.

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- Frank Krygowski

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 by: Andre Jute - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 08:58 UTC

On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:10:22 AM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 3/2/2022 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > It is nothing more than Frank's belief that those who worked for their money should be forced to give it to him.
> Tom, the only reason you misrepresent my views like that is that you
> fail so badly at countering what I have actually said.
>
> Don't argue against what you _wish_ I said.
>
> As I discussed with a friend this afternoon, I'm searching for worthy
> charities to give money to. I certainly don't need anyone to give money
> to me.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>
Well now, Franki-boy, you and the rest of the RBT bullyboys in the spite you spray like spittle have made a very good case for giving the excess money you claim to have to Tom. So why don't you give your money to Tom so that you can be fully realized as a person? Seems like the common sense answer to the question baffling you.
>
Andre Jute
Always perfectly rational, logical and consequential.

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 by: funkma...@hotmail.co - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 14:12 UTC

On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 3:58:34 AM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:10:22 AM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 3/2/2022 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > It is nothing more than Frank's belief that those who worked for their money should be forced to give it to him.
> > Tom, the only reason you misrepresent my views like that is that you
> > fail so badly at countering what I have actually said.
> >
> > Don't argue against what you _wish_ I said.
> >
> > As I discussed with a friend this afternoon, I'm searching for worthy
> > charities to give money to. I certainly don't need anyone to give money
> > to me.
> >
> > --
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> Well now, Franki-boy, you and the rest of the RBT bullyboys in the spite you spray like spittle have made a very good case for giving the excess money you claim to have to Tom. So why don't you give your money to Tom so that you can be fully realized as a person? Seems like the common sense answer to the question baffling you.
> >
> Andre Jute
> Always perfectly rational, logical and consequential.

But skippy, tommy has stated repeatedly that he's independently wealthy. Giving him our money would be like giving it to someone else with no need for it - like anyone associated with the trumpsphere.

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/512887-bannon-three-others-charged-with-defrauding-donors-of-we-build-the

Of course, _you_ may qualify since admitting to using the Irish national health care plan and free public transport. Or maybe just put out a link to a go-fund-me page on that writers forum with 30K members that you administer - I'm sure a few of them would take pity on such a lauded and loved author in need of money.

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 by: Tom Kunich - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 15:59 UTC

On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:58:34 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:10:22 AM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 3/2/2022 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > It is nothing more than Frank's belief that those who worked for their money should be forced to give it to him.
> > Tom, the only reason you misrepresent my views like that is that you
> > fail so badly at countering what I have actually said.
> >
> > Don't argue against what you _wish_ I said.
> >
> > As I discussed with a friend this afternoon, I'm searching for worthy
> > charities to give money to. I certainly don't need anyone to give money
> > to me.
> >
> > --
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> Well now, Franki-boy, you and the rest of the RBT bullyboys in the spite you spray like spittle have made a very good case for giving the excess money you claim to have to Tom. So why don't you give your money to Tom so that you can be fully realized as a person? Seems like the common sense answer to the question baffling you.

It is comical that Frank says that I am misrepresenting what he has said simply because I personalize his redistribution of wealth statements that he has made over and over and over. As I said, Frank is a communist and the only thing he wants is for someone else to make his own life easier.

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 by: Andre Jute - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 19:35 UTC

On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 3:59:43 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:58:34 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:10:22 AM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 3/2/2022 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > It is nothing more than Frank's belief that those who worked for their money should be forced to give it to him.
> > > Tom, the only reason you misrepresent my views like that is that you
> > > fail so badly at countering what I have actually said.
> > >
> > > Don't argue against what you _wish_ I said.
> > >
> > > As I discussed with a friend this afternoon, I'm searching for worthy
> > > charities to give money to. I certainly don't need anyone to give money
> > > to me.
> > >
> > > --
> > > - Frank Krygowski
> > >
> > Well now, Franki-boy, you and the rest of the RBT bullyboys in the spite you spray like spittle have made a very good case for giving the excess money you claim to have to Tom. So why don't you give your money to Tom so that you can be fully realized as a person? Seems like the common sense answer to the question baffling you.
> It is comical that Frank says that I am misrepresenting what he has said simply because I personalize his redistribution of wealth statements that he has made over and over and over. As I said, Frank is a communist and the only thing he wants is for someone else to make his own life easier.
>
Franki-boy doesn't even know he's a communist but his totalitarian tendencies give him away. He probably thinks that when the revolution is won -- not this November after the Donkey Party put a dementia-ridden octogenarian in the Oval Office -- he'll be nomenklatura, at least a commissar, in charge of making life hell for all cyclists by enforcing "vehicular cycling".
>
Andre Jute
Don't bother learning Russian, Franki-boy; you'll be shot on day one as a "useful idiot" (V I Ulyanov) who has outlived his utility.
>

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 by: Tom Kunich - Thu, 3 Mar 2022 20:02 UTC

On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 11:35:06 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 3:59:43 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:58:34 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 12:10:22 AM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > On 3/2/2022 11:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > It is nothing more than Frank's belief that those who worked for their money should be forced to give it to him.
> > > > Tom, the only reason you misrepresent my views like that is that you
> > > > fail so badly at countering what I have actually said.
> > > >
> > > > Don't argue against what you _wish_ I said.
> > > >
> > > > As I discussed with a friend this afternoon, I'm searching for worthy
> > > > charities to give money to. I certainly don't need anyone to give money
> > > > to me.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > - Frank Krygowski
> > > >
> > > Well now, Franki-boy, you and the rest of the RBT bullyboys in the spite you spray like spittle have made a very good case for giving the excess money you claim to have to Tom. So why don't you give your money to Tom so that you can be fully realized as a person? Seems like the common sense answer to the question baffling you.
> > It is comical that Frank says that I am misrepresenting what he has said simply because I personalize his redistribution of wealth statements that he has made over and over and over. As I said, Frank is a communist and the only thing he wants is for someone else to make his own life easier.
> >
> Franki-boy doesn't even know he's a communist but his totalitarian tendencies give him away. He probably thinks that when the revolution is won -- not this November after the Donkey Party put a dementia-ridden octogenarian in the Oval Office -- he'll be nomenklatura, at least a commissar, in charge of making life hell for all cyclists by enforcing "vehicular cycling".
> >
> Andre Jute
> Don't bother learning Russian, Franki-boy; you'll be shot on day one as a "useful idiot" (V I Ulyanov) who has outlived his utility.
> >

The Donkey Party is right. They have nothing left but to bray out their wonderful systems which would kill them in a second were there ever to be a revolution. Black Lives Matter has more or less dissolved with only the people who consider themselves "movement leaders" left and the overwhelming part of the membership seeing ultra crime ridden neighborhoods from the rhetoric that has been handed to them and at the time they were too young to have sufficient judgement to realize what it meant.

As of today, there have now been more than one person per day murdered just in freeway shootings in the Bay Area and most of those in Oakland. If black lives matter whey don't they seem to to other blacks?

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I look at this site when it occurs to me. Part of the entertainment are the non-bike entries. I saw this thread: same old shit. Name-calling; partisan proclamations based on conspiracy theories/tribalism/prejudice; nasty nick-names; AND cockamamy reasons why the estimates of COVID deaths above the norm are sinister manipulations (by liberal politicians/socialists/communists?).

Look at the plot shown here:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count

It shows known deaths for several years, providing a projection of expected deaths for 2020, and actual deaths for 2020 and 2021. There is a huge excess above expectations for both years. Those excesses were due to the direct or indirect effects of COVID. No other interpretation is sensible.

If you have emphysema, contract COVID, and die a year or two or three earlier than expected, your death contributes to the higher than expected death count, due to COVID. You unexpectedly died, early, from emphysema, and pneumonia, and heart failure, due to COVID. Maybe the expected death count for 2022 will be low due to COVID causing the premature deaths of those who are vulnerable, in 2021: the excess deaths in 2021 were nonetheless caused by COVID.

Jim

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On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 9:57:13 AM UTC-8, AnotherJim wrote:
> I look at this site when it occurs to me. Part of the entertainment are the non-bike entries. I saw this thread: same old shit. Name-calling; partisan proclamations based on conspiracy theories/tribalism/prejudice; nasty nick-names; AND cockamamy reasons why the estimates of COVID deaths above the norm are sinister manipulations (by liberal politicians/socialists/communists?).
>
> Look at the plot shown here:
>
> https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count
>
> It shows known deaths for several years, providing a projection of expected deaths for 2020, and actual deaths for 2020 and 2021. There is a huge excess above expectations for both years. Those excesses were due to the direct or indirect effects of COVID. No other interpretation is sensible.
>
> If you have emphysema, contract COVID, and die a year or two or three earlier than expected, your death contributes to the higher than expected death count, due to COVID. You unexpectedly died, early, from emphysema, and pneumonia, and heart failure, due to COVID. Maybe the expected death count for 2022 will be low due to COVID causing the premature deaths of those who are vulnerable, in 2021: the excess deaths in 2021 were nonetheless caused by COVID.

I pretty much agree with you. But does that make covid-19 a deadly disease that requires people in the age ranges that aren't effected by covid-19 to be thrown out of work and to wear non-effective masks to show their willingness to be led about by the nose as it were?

Fauci through the CDC and mostly supported by the Slime Stream Media have claimed that now over a million people have died in excess of the 2019 percentage of normal deaths. But when you look into his figures he is claiming that covid-19 is CAUSING pneumonia so anyone that tests positive for covid-19 and dies a NORMAL death from pneumonia is racked up as another covid-19 death. A million extra deaths would be (with the present population) a 30% increase in deaths and the mortuary business would be stinking rich. Instead, their income has only kept up with the population growth. And I have already noted that if you combine those with their own burial insurance, prepaid burial plans and life insurance unexpected death burial stipulations, the large percentage of people have burial coverage that would not require them to be cremated for financial reasons. If you want to see what really occurred here is a CDC site that shows what happens when you offer $50,000 for each reported covidf-19 case. Do you see ANY rise in total deaths? That didn't come to later when the lockdowns did cause a raised rate of deaths via 4 times greater suicides, drug overdoses, alcoholism causing a massive upsurge in comorbities AND now we seen the mRNA vaccines have a rather massive number of deaths.

What this adds up to is that MOST of those who died would have been buried with all of the services that implies and not cremated for financial reasons.

Now worldwide death numbers are not very indicative because we know that 0.56% of the population is susceptible to covid infections and a small percentage of that small percentage will die from it. Despite the claim of some, we have a far better health care system than is in most of the rest of the world including Europe and Great Britain.

Also recent LARGE scale studies have shown that Ivermectin is 80% more effective than other treatments and for pennies a day rather than $45 a dose for Remdesivir. Why was that not considered as just as good if not better than vaccines seeing as how mRNA vaccines have show themselves to be deadly on a scale much broader than believed possible?

Covid-19 is going to go down in the history books as the largest overstepping of personal boundaries in the history of the United States. Fauci stated several years ago that he was going to do this and it was used by the Democrats for tyrannical political purposes.

Here is what I said at the VERY start of this pandemic - that 45+% of people are totally asymptomatic (we have since discovered that they are also incapable of spreading the disease) of the remainder, less than 1% have anything other than very mild symptoms appearing as a mild cold or flu or an allergic reaction. People under 50 are in NO danger unless then have comorbidies such as gross obesity, heart disease, diabetes etc.

Of that 1% that could be infected with the illness only a vanishingly small percentage of them would have the average 4 comorbities that statistics have shown they require to die from this minor illness.

This is NOT funny, the Democrats in the political move to gain power has destroyed the economy not just of the USA, but of most of the world. I have worked in the applied science part of Medical science for most of 50 years and what has been done to the world has NOTHING to do with an illness that can be expected every 8 years. This was ALL a move for personal power.

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 by: russellseaton1@yahoo - Mon, 7 Mar 2022 21:07 UTC

On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 2:11:01 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 9:57:13 AM UTC-8, AnotherJim wrote:
> > I look at this site when it occurs to me. Part of the entertainment are the non-bike entries. I saw this thread: same old shit. Name-calling; partisan proclamations based on conspiracy theories/tribalism/prejudice; nasty nick-names; AND cockamamy reasons why the estimates of COVID deaths above the norm are sinister manipulations (by liberal politicians/socialists/communists?).
> >
> > Look at the plot shown here:
> >
> > https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-raw-death-count
> >
> > It shows known deaths for several years, providing a projection of expected deaths for 2020, and actual deaths for 2020 and 2021. There is a huge excess above expectations for both years. Those excesses were due to the direct or indirect effects of COVID. No other interpretation is sensible.
> >
> > If you have emphysema, contract COVID, and die a year or two or three earlier than expected, your death contributes to the higher than expected death count, due to COVID. You unexpectedly died, early, from emphysema, and pneumonia, and heart failure, due to COVID. Maybe the expected death count for 2022 will be low due to COVID causing the premature deaths of those who are vulnerable, in 2021: the excess deaths in 2021 were nonetheless caused by COVID.
> I pretty much agree with you. But does that make covid-19 a deadly disease that requires people in the age ranges that aren't effected by covid-19 to be thrown out of work and to wear non-effective masks to show their willingness to be led about by the nose as it were?
>

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/
Total deaths 944,650
0-17 years 865
18-29 years 5,857
30-39 years 17,085
40-49 years 40,898
50-64 years 177,213
65-74 years 216,564
75-84 years 243,207
85 and older 242,961

Mainly older people died from Covid. But were they infected by younger people who were not wearing a face mask? And this is just deaths. Lots of people got sick and went to the hospital and were on ICU breathing machines. But did not die. Billions and Billions of healthcare costs. Would masks have prevented spending Billions and Billions of dollars of wasted health costs?

> Fauci through the CDC and mostly supported by the Slime Stream Media have claimed that now over a million people have died in excess of the 2019 percentage of normal deaths. But when you look into his figures he is claiming that covid-19 is CAUSING pneumonia so anyone that tests positive for covid-19 and dies a NORMAL death from pneumonia is racked up as another covid-19 death. A million extra deaths would be (with the present population) a 30% increase in deaths and the mortuary business would be stinking rich. Instead, their income has only kept up with the population growth. And I have already noted that if you combine those with their own burial insurance, prepaid burial plans and life insurance unexpected death burial stipulations, the large percentage of people have burial coverage that would not require them to be cremated for financial reasons. If you want to see what really occurred here is a CDC site that shows what happens when you offer $50,000 for each reported covidf-19 case. Do you see ANY rise in total deaths? That didn't come to later when the lockdowns did cause a raised rate of deaths via 4 times greater suicides, drug overdoses, alcoholism causing a massive upsurge in comorbities AND now we seen the mRNA vaccines have a rather massive number of deaths.
>
> What this adds up to is that MOST of those who died would have been buried with all of the services that implies and not cremated for financial reasons.
>
> Now worldwide death numbers are not very indicative because we know that 0.56% of the population is susceptible to covid infections and a small percentage of that small percentage will die from it. Despite the claim of some, we have a far better health care system than is in most of the rest of the world including Europe and Great Britain.
>
> Also recent LARGE scale studies have shown that Ivermectin is 80% more effective than other treatments and for pennies a day rather than $45 a dose for Remdesivir. Why was that not considered as just as good if not better than vaccines seeing as how mRNA vaccines have show themselves to be deadly on a scale much broader than believed possible?
>
> Covid-19 is going to go down in the history books as the largest overstepping of personal boundaries in the history of the United States. Fauci stated several years ago that he was going to do this and it was used by the Democrats for tyrannical political purposes.
>
> Here is what I said at the VERY start of this pandemic - that 45+% of people are totally asymptomatic (we have since discovered that they are also incapable of spreading the disease) of the remainder, less than 1% have anything other than very mild symptoms appearing as a mild cold or flu or an allergic reaction. People under 50 are in NO danger unless then have comorbidies such as gross obesity, heart disease, diabetes etc.
>
> Of that 1% that could be infected with the illness only a vanishingly small percentage of them would have the average 4 comorbities that statistics have shown they require to die from this minor illness.
>
> This is NOT funny, the Democrats in the political move to gain power has destroyed the economy not just of the USA, but of most of the world. I have worked in the applied science part of Medical science for most of 50 years and what has been done to the world has NOTHING to do with an illness that can be expected every 8 years. This was ALL a move for personal power.

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On 3/7/2022 11:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 12:10:58 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here is what I said at the VERY start of this pandemic - that 45+% of people are totally asymptomatic (we have since discovered that they are also incapable of spreading the disease)...
>
> Asymptomatic people can still transmit the virus to others.
>
> "What We Know about Omicron" (Updated Feb. 2, 2022)
> <https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/omicron-variant.html>
> "CDC expects that anyone with Omicron infection can spread the virus
> to others, even if they are vaccinated or don’t have symptoms."

Precisely. It's estimated that the actual number of Covid infections in
the U.S. was 2x the number of confirmed cases. That's why mask mandates
were so vitally important in bringing down infection rates.

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