On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 9:11:35 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/14/2022 10:37 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 5:48:10 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 3/13/2022 4:04 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:30:22 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> More on Bakken from USGS:
> >>>> <https://www.usgs.gov/search?keywords=Oil%20and%20Gas%20-%20Bakken%20Formation>
> >>>
> >>> Looks like they drilled but were not thrilled:
> >>>
> >>> "The Bakken Boom Goes Bust With No Money to Clean up the Mess" (Aug 8,
> >>> 2020):
> >>> <https://www.desmog.com/2020/08/08/bakken-fracking-oil-boom-bust-hess-cleanup/>
> >>>
> >>> "More than a decade ago, fracking took off in the Bakken shale of
> >>> North Dakota and Montana, but the oil rush that followed has resulted
> >>> in major environmental damage, risky oil transportation without
> >>> regulation, pipeline permitting issues, and failure to produce
> >>> profits."
> >>>
> >>> "More than a decade after the Bakken boom started, North Dakota was
> >>> flaring 23 percent of the gas produced via fracking - making a mockery
> >>> of the state’s flaring regulations."
> >>>
> >>> "Another major blindspot for the industry and regulators has been the
> >>> radioactive waste produced during fracking."
> >>>
> >>> "The state recently decided to use $66 million in federal funds
> >>> designated for coronavirus relief to begin cleaning up wells the oil
> >>> industry has abandoned - costs that the industry should be covering,
> >>> according to the law, but that are now shifted to the public."
> >>>
> >>> "All of the evidence strongly suggest that the Bakken is an oil field
> >>> on the decline."
> >>>
> >>> Tom: Notice that I'm including the source of my info and the date of
> >>> publication. The date is important so that you don't accidentally
> >>> post ancient and out of date stories, numbers, and rants. If you find
> >>> it necessary to hide your sources at least provide the date of
> >>> publication.
> >>>
> >>> [ About 30 minutes wasted cleaning up after Tom's toxic misinformation
> >>> spill. ]
> >>>
> >> in re ND flaring: The profusion of small operations over a
> >> large area and the religious fervor against pipelines made
> >> gas transport very difficult as compared to, say, Permian in
> >> Texas:
> >> https://pgjonline.com/news/2017/01/navigator-energy-services-expands-bsg-system-begins-open-season
> >>
> >> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dgyj361V4AEw67S.jpg:large
> >
> > People who do not fix broken sewer lines in front of their own homes flock to North Dakota to protest a perfectly safe oil pipeline. Lieberman who is a cripple and relies entirely on Google for his knowledge of the outside world, wants to tell us everything there is to know about a pipeline a thousands miles away and which he knows nothing about.
> >
> WTF?
>
> People may dither on all sorts of policy decisions from
> pipelines to bridge repairs but a broken sewer line gets
> fixed immediately if not sooner! Everywhere. Every time.

There is a place in Oakland in which a liquid line has been broken so long that it has etched runnels into the asphalt. I personally reported it to the water company three times and nothing changed over three years. Since this would represent a huge loss of billable water, I can only assume that it is sewage. It is from a telephone pole directly behind the toilet side of a gas station being replaced and puncturing the liquid line so it isn't as if this is a peculiar belief.

On 3/14/2022 11:46 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 9:11:35 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 3/14/2022 10:37 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 5:48:10 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 3/13/2022 4:04 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:30:22 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> More on Bakken from USGS:
>>>>>> <https://www.usgs.gov/search?keywords=Oil%20and%20Gas%20-%20Bakken%20Formation>
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like they drilled but were not thrilled:
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Bakken Boom Goes Bust With No Money to Clean up the Mess" (Aug 8,
>>>>> 2020):
>>>>> <https://www.desmog.com/2020/08/08/bakken-fracking-oil-boom-bust-hess-cleanup/>
>>>>>
>>>>> "More than a decade ago, fracking took off in the Bakken shale of
>>>>> North Dakota and Montana, but the oil rush that followed has resulted
>>>>> in major environmental damage, risky oil transportation without
>>>>> regulation, pipeline permitting issues, and failure to produce
>>>>> profits."
>>>>>
>>>>> "More than a decade after the Bakken boom started, North Dakota was
>>>>> flaring 23 percent of the gas produced via fracking - making a mockery
>>>>> of the state’s flaring regulations."
>>>>>
>>>>> "Another major blindspot for the industry and regulators has been the
>>>>> radioactive waste produced during fracking."
>>>>>
>>>>> "The state recently decided to use $66 million in federal funds
>>>>> designated for coronavirus relief to begin cleaning up wells the oil
>>>>> industry has abandoned - costs that the industry should be covering,
>>>>> according to the law, but that are now shifted to the public."
>>>>>
>>>>> "All of the evidence strongly suggest that the Bakken is an oil field
>>>>> on the decline."
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom: Notice that I'm including the source of my info and the date of
>>>>> publication. The date is important so that you don't accidentally
>>>>> post ancient and out of date stories, numbers, and rants. If you find
>>>>> it necessary to hide your sources at least provide the date of
>>>>> publication.
>>>>>
>>>>> [ About 30 minutes wasted cleaning up after Tom's toxic misinformation
>>>>> spill. ]
>>>>>
>>>> in re ND flaring: The profusion of small operations over a
>>>> large area and the religious fervor against pipelines made
>>>> gas transport very difficult as compared to, say, Permian in
>>>> Texas:
>>>> https://pgjonline.com/news/2017/01/navigator-energy-services-expands-bsg-system-begins-open-season
>>>>
>>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dgyj361V4AEw67S.jpg:large
>>>
>>> People who do not fix broken sewer lines in front of their own homes flock to North Dakota to protest a perfectly safe oil pipeline. Lieberman who is a cripple and relies entirely on Google for his knowledge of the outside world, wants to tell us everything there is to know about a pipeline a thousands miles away and which he knows nothing about.
>>>
>> WTF?
>>
>> People may dither on all sorts of policy decisions from
>> pipelines to bridge repairs but a broken sewer line gets
>> fixed immediately if not sooner! Everywhere. Every time.
>
> There is a place in Oakland in which a liquid line has been broken so long that it has etched runnels into the asphalt. I personally reported it to the water company three times and nothing changed over three years. Since this would represent a huge loss of billable water, I can only assume that it is sewage. It is from a telephone pole directly behind the toilet side of a gas station being replaced and puncturing the liquid line so it isn't as if this is a peculiar belief.
>

City water line are a different chronic problem.

If it were a sewer line, as you wrote at first, it would
have been repaired posthaste.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 2:14:34 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/14/2022 11:46 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Monday, March 14, 2022 at 9:11:35 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 3/14/2022 10:37 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >>> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 5:48:10 PM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 3/13/2022 4:04 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>>>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:30:22 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> More on Bakken from USGS:
> >>>>>> <https://www.usgs.gov/search?keywords=Oil%20and%20Gas%20-%20Bakken%20Formation>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Looks like they drilled but were not thrilled:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The Bakken Boom Goes Bust With No Money to Clean up the Mess" (Aug 8,
> >>>>> 2020):
> >>>>> <https://www.desmog.com/2020/08/08/bakken-fracking-oil-boom-bust-hess-cleanup/>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "More than a decade ago, fracking took off in the Bakken shale of
> >>>>> North Dakota and Montana, but the oil rush that followed has resulted
> >>>>> in major environmental damage, risky oil transportation without
> >>>>> regulation, pipeline permitting issues, and failure to produce
> >>>>> profits."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "More than a decade after the Bakken boom started, North Dakota was
> >>>>> flaring 23 percent of the gas produced via fracking - making a mockery
> >>>>> of the state’s flaring regulations."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Another major blindspot for the industry and regulators has been the
> >>>>> radioactive waste produced during fracking."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The state recently decided to use $66 million in federal funds
> >>>>> designated for coronavirus relief to begin cleaning up wells the oil
> >>>>> industry has abandoned - costs that the industry should be covering,
> >>>>> according to the law, but that are now shifted to the public."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "All of the evidence strongly suggest that the Bakken is an oil field
> >>>>> on the decline."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tom: Notice that I'm including the source of my info and the date of
> >>>>> publication. The date is important so that you don't accidentally
> >>>>> post ancient and out of date stories, numbers, and rants. If you find
> >>>>> it necessary to hide your sources at least provide the date of
> >>>>> publication.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [ About 30 minutes wasted cleaning up after Tom's toxic misinformation
> >>>>> spill. ]
> >>>>>
> >>>> in re ND flaring: The profusion of small operations over a
> >>>> large area and the religious fervor against pipelines made
> >>>> gas transport very difficult as compared to, say, Permian in
> >>>> Texas:
> >>>> https://pgjonline.com/news/2017/01/navigator-energy-services-expands-bsg-system-begins-open-season
> >>>>
> >>>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dgyj361V4AEw67S.jpg:large
> >>>
> >>> People who do not fix broken sewer lines in front of their own homes flock to North Dakota to protest a perfectly safe oil pipeline. Lieberman who is a cripple and relies entirely on Google for his knowledge of the outside world, wants to tell us everything there is to know about a pipeline a thousands miles away and which he knows nothing about.
> >>>
> >> WTF?
> >>
> >> People may dither on all sorts of policy decisions from
> >> pipelines to bridge repairs but a broken sewer line gets
> >> fixed immediately if not sooner! Everywhere. Every time.
> >
> > There is a place in Oakland in which a liquid line has been broken so long that it has etched runnels into the asphalt. I personally reported it to the water company three times and nothing changed over three years. Since this would represent a huge loss of billable water, I can only assume that it is sewage. It is from a telephone pole directly behind the toilet side of a gas station being replaced and puncturing the liquid line so it isn't as if this is a peculiar belief.
> >
> City water line are a different chronic problem.
>
> If it were a sewer line, as you wrote at first, it would
> have been repaired posthaste.

My brother worked in the city sewer plant. When I visited him there, there was no smell and most of the water though called "brown water" was clear. Most of the water used in the sewers is fresh water, do depending on that sort of break it was in the pipe it could appear to be clear water. And clear water DOES NOT etch asphalt. I'm talking about more than an inch deep across the road in just three years.