.... even if the motorist was stoned.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-blames-17-old-girl-215742328.html

- Frank Krygowski

russellseaton caused grave emotional injury to Ga. legislators:
> frkr...@gmail.com wrote:

>> ... even if the motorist was stoned.

non-cryptic link:
<https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2565014231102/report-blames-17-year-old-girl-for-accident-that-killed-her-and-the-driver-has-never-been-charged>

A fact of _not_ wearing a life-saving foam lid would have been
mentioned, wouldn't it?

My anecdotal evidence shows a correlation of single moms' families and
substandard bicycle lighting. Of course, in our beautifully woke
societies, old white man cannot even mention to a white single mom that
their safety equipment is off/misaimed/broken/blinding without risking
to be furiously attacked for mansplaining, or worse.

> I am sure there are
> laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim because
> of the grief caused.

Oh wait, let me "fact check"[1]<eg>:
|[Attorney Bruce] Hagen told Channel 2′s Dave Huddleston that the
|trooper’s conclusions were not Georgia law.
| |“The officer made faulty conclusions, misapplying the law to somehow
|come to the determination Ms. Osuegbu was at fault,” Hagen said.
| |Hagen adds that Rawlins’ children were also in the car at the time of
|the accident.
| |“She was driving with her children in the vehicle,” Hagan said. “She
|was only charged with child endangerment, but she was not charged with
|vehicular homicide.

Verdict: strongly misleading; no evidence of claimed Ga. laws shown.

--
[1]
<https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/>
<https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-shadowy-trusted-news-initiative/5752930>
Batya Ungar-Sargon, Bad News. How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy,
Encounter Books, New York 2021.
Lucas Graves, Deciding What’s True. The Rise of Political Fact-Checking
in American Journalism, Columbia University Press

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 7:17:39 AM UTC-4, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> russellseaton caused grave emotional injury to Ga. legislators:
> > frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
> non-cryptic link:
> <https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2565014231102/report-blames-17-year-old-girl-for-accident-that-killed-her-and-the-driver-has-never-been-charged>

What exactly was cryptic about Franks link? Oh, right, yahoo is part of the evil left-wing propaganda machine.

>
> A fact of _not_ wearing a life-saving foam lid would have been
> mentioned, wouldn't it?

Given that there was no autopsy mentioned it's difficult to state with any certainty that a helmet would have made a difference.

> My anecdotal evidence shows a correlation of single moms' families and
> substandard bicycle lighting.

A statement which is as qualified for fact-checking as russells.

> Of course, in our beautifully woke
> societies, old white man cannot even mention to a white single mom that
> their safety equipment is off/misaimed/broken/blinding without risking
> to be furiously attacked for mansplaining, or worse.

Since when do you Macho MAGA Men give a flying fuck about other peoples feelings?
https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/786726338820448256
https://flagsbythedozen.com/products/trump-2024-fuck-your-feelings-bumper-sticker

> > I am sure there are
> > laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim because
> > of the grief caused.

<snipped irrelevant snark>

>
> Verdict: strongly misleading; no evidence of claimed Ga. laws shown.

Congratulations, you've been Poe'd.

>
> --
> [1]
> <https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/>
> <https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-shadowy-trusted-news-initiative/5752930>
> Batya Ungar-Sargon, Bad News. How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy,
> Encounter Books, New York 2021.
> Lucas Graves, Deciding What’s True. The Rise of Political Fact-Checking
> in American Journalism, Columbia University Press

And you still haven't figured out that many times, the truth isn't what you want to hear.

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 4:17:39 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> russellseaton caused grave emotional injury to Ga. legislators:
> > frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
> non-cryptic link:
> <https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2565014231102/report-blames-17-year-old-girl-for-accident-that-killed-her-and-the-driver-has-never-been-charged>
>
> A fact of _not_ wearing a life-saving foam lid would have been
> mentioned, wouldn't it?
>
> My anecdotal evidence shows a correlation of single moms' families and
> substandard bicycle lighting. Of course, in our beautifully woke
> societies, old white man cannot even mention to a white single mom that
> their safety equipment is off/misaimed/broken/blinding without risking
> to be furiously attacked for mansplaining, or worse.
> > I am sure there are
> > laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim because
> > of the grief caused.
> Oh wait, let me "fact check"[1]<eg>:
> |[Attorney Bruce] Hagen told Channel 2′s Dave Huddleston that the
> |trooper’s conclusions were not Georgia law.
> |
> |“The officer made faulty conclusions, misapplying the law to somehow
> |come to the determination Ms. Osuegbu was at fault,” Hagen said.
> |
> |Hagen adds that Rawlins’ children were also in the car at the time of
> |the accident.
> |
> |“She was driving with her children in the vehicle,” Hagan said. “She
> |was only charged with child endangerment, but she was not charged with
> |vehicular homicide.
>
> Verdict: strongly misleading; no evidence of claimed Ga. laws shown.
>
> --
> [1]
> <https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/>
> <https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-shadowy-trusted-news-initiative/5752930>
> Batya Ungar-Sargon, Bad News. How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy,
> Encounter Books, New York 2021.
> Lucas Graves, Deciding What’s True. The Rise of Political Fact-Checking
> in American Journalism, Columbia University Press

Well, you have seen the furious 5 "fact checking" anything and everything because they are too stupid to actually look into something themselves. That cartoon that Frank posted is a very good example. He is so ignorant of the world around him he doesn't know that if you inflate the US dollar here, you inflate it over the entire globe. John Slocum is even worse - he actually knows nothing and his entire world is what he can obtain from Google. If you look on Google the only articles you can find are those claiming that this study or that found "no efficacy" from this drug or that drug. Oh yeah, if you actually read the studies it says that Ivermectin SEEMS to have no effect if given to people on the verge of death from covid-19. Google is very careful not to mention that it appears to be a descent and cheap means of preventing the illness in those most subject to it. If you believe that there is a shred of honesty in any "fact checker" sites you are really dreaming. I have said this for the last 10 years and every one of those fact checkers that the stupid 5 have quoted have been proven either inaccurate or outright lies. This is the world that they want to live in.

On 4/7/2022 7:17 AM, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> russellseaton caused grave emotional injury to Ga. legislators:
>> frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
>
> non-cryptic link:
> <https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2565014231102/report-blames-17-year-old-girl-for-accident-that-killed-her-and-the-driver-has-never-been-charged>
>
>
> A fact of _not_ wearing a life-saving foam lid would have been
> mentioned, wouldn't it?
>
> My anecdotal evidence shows a correlation of single moms' families and
> substandard bicycle lighting.  Of course, in our beautifully woke
> societies, old white man cannot even mention to a white single mom that
> their safety equipment is off/misaimed/broken/blinding without risking
> to be furiously attacked for mansplaining, or worse.

Poor Sepp! Are you a persecuted old white man?

About lights: Despite what the investigating trooper said, Georgia law
imposes no requirement for a rear light or for reflective clothing. In
that state a rear reflector is legally sufficient. If the trooper were
competent and if the cyclist had no reflector, I think that would have
been mentioned instead of the imaginary requirement for "rear light" and
"reflective clothing."

Regarding the helmet issue: I've seen many instances over the years in
which lack of a helmet was mentioned in the news when a cyclist died,
but presence of a helmet was not mentioned when a cyclist died. Locally,
I learned of the latter incidents only by phoning for more information.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 06:34:48 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>for the last 10 years and every one of those fact checkers that the stupid 5 have quoted have been proven either inaccurate or outright lies. This is the world that they want to live in.

I may have found the source of Tom's amazing facts. Google has a fact
checker search. I suspect that Tom is posting everything he can find
that is marked "False".

Google fact check explorer:
<https://toolbox.google.com/factcheck/explorer>

Examples:
<https://toolbox.google.com/factcheck/explorer/search/bicycle>
<https://toolbox.google.com/factcheck/explorer/search/cycling>
<https://toolbox.google.com/factcheck/explorer/search/Bicycle%20lighting>
<https://toolbox.google.com/factcheck/explorer/search/COVID-19%20vaccine>

A little digging under "Covid-19" yielded a web page, from India, with
an amazing variety of health related conspiracy theories:
"Health Conspiracy Theory Fact Check"
<https://www.thip.media/category/health-news-fact-check/fact-check-conspiracy-theory-health/>

The Google fact checker search seems to be a good way to double check
amazing facts before posting them to R.B.T. One thing the Google fact
check tool demonstrates is that a rather large number of individuals
and organizations seem to find lying to be acceptable behavior. To
me, that's kinda scary and is probably indicative of bad things to
come.

Fact checking "Tom Kunich" yields no hits. If Google can't find
something, it doesn't exist. Therefore, Tom does not exist.

Trivial fact of the day: Yesterday, I survived Covid booster shot #2
(Pfizer). Today, the injection site aches, I'm rather tired, and have
a mild stomach ache. This posting is about all I can manage before I
crawl back into bed.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 1:54:13 AM UTC-5, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> > ... even if the motorist was stoned.
> >
> > https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-blames-17-old-girl-215742328.html
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> It was Georgia. And the girl killed was black. I am sure there are laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim because of the grief caused.

I am adding this part in case there are any people who misunderstood my comment about the laws in Georgia.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/11/995835333/in-ahmaud-arberys-name-georgia-repeals-citizens-arrest-law
"About a year after the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery became national news, and nearly 15 months after he was shot while jogging down a street, Georgia has repealed the vague law being used to defend the men charged with murder in his killing."

"The law, which allowed any citizen to "arrest" another if a crime was committed "within his immediate knowledge,"

"The men accused in Arbery's killing have said they thought Arbery had committed a burglary when they chased him through a neighborhood near Brunswick, though no evidence of that crime has emerged."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/05/10/georgia-repeals-1863-law-once-used-to-justify-lynching-in-wake-of-ahmaud-arbery-murder-case/
"Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) on Monday signed a bill repealing a citizen's arrest law once used to justify lynchings after the Civil War after the law was brought into the national spotlight and widely condemned when a prosecutor used it to justify the vigilante-style killing of 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery last year."

"Arbery was rammed with a pickup truck before being shot and killed while he jogged through the Satilla Shores neighborhood in Brunswick, Georgia, by men who claimed they were trying to make a citizen's arrest of the unarmed Black man."

"The defendants said the killing was a result of mistaken identity, since they believed Arbery was responsible for local burglaries."

"A prosecutor who was initially given the case said the shooting was justified, citing the citizen’s arrest law."

On 4/7/2022 2:41 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 1:54:13 AM UTC-5, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
>>>
>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-blames-17-old-girl-215742328.html
>>>
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> It was Georgia. And the girl killed was black. I am sure there are laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim because of the grief caused.
>
> I am adding this part in case there are any people who misunderstood my comment about the laws in Georgia.
>
> https://www.npr.org/2021/05/11/995835333/in-ahmaud-arberys-name-georgia-repeals-citizens-arrest-law
> "About a year after the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery became national news, and nearly 15 months after he was shot while jogging down a street, Georgia has repealed the vague law being used to defend the men charged with murder in his killing."
>
> "The law, which allowed any citizen to "arrest" another if a crime was committed "within his immediate knowledge,"
>
> "The men accused in Arbery's killing have said they thought Arbery had committed a burglary when they chased him through a neighborhood near Brunswick, though no evidence of that crime has emerged."
>
> https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/05/10/georgia-repeals-1863-law-once-used-to-justify-lynching-in-wake-of-ahmaud-arbery-murder-case/
> "Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) on Monday signed a bill repealing a citizen's arrest law once used to justify lynchings after the Civil War after the law was brought into the national spotlight and widely condemned when a prosecutor used it to justify the vigilante-style killing of 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery last year."
>
> "Arbery was rammed with a pickup truck before being shot and killed while he jogged through the Satilla Shores neighborhood in Brunswick, Georgia, by men who claimed they were trying to make a citizen's arrest of the unarmed Black man."
>
> "The defendants said the killing was a result of mistaken identity, since they believed Arbery was responsible for local burglaries."
>
> "A prosecutor who was initially given the case said the shooting was justified, citing the citizen’s arrest law."
>

AFAIK all States make some provision for a citizen to
intervene /in extremis/.

That said, legislators are hardly logicians and are
notorious for poor English composition, with
all-too-well-known results.{1} Hence a clarifying revision.
Happens often, would not have changed anything in this case.

I note however that virtually no one in USA publicly
defended the jerks in question. All three were promptly
tried, convicted and sentenced, in Georgia, under whatever
laws were in effect at that time.

It was an indefensible act, hardly a symptom of 'systemic
racism', given the response of the good people of Georgia,
her officials and institutions in this matter.

[1] Congress moreso:
https://www.skadden.com/about/news-and-rankings/news/2022/04/liberty-global-wins-significant-victory-in-tax-case

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-tax-report/major-temporary-international-tax-deduction-rules-struck-down

Couldn't find a full non-paywall link but basically the
Court found that Liberty Global lawfully walked through
loopholes left by sloppy legislation to the tune of
$109,000,000.00.
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 6:54:19 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/7/2022 2:41 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 1:54:13 AM UTC-5, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-blames-17-old-girl-215742328.html
> >>>
> >>> - Frank Krygowski
> >> It was Georgia. And the girl killed was black. I am sure there are laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim because of the grief caused.
> >
> > I am adding this part in case there are any people who misunderstood my comment about the laws in Georgia.
> >
> > https://www.npr.org/2021/05/11/995835333/in-ahmaud-arberys-name-georgia-repeals-citizens-arrest-law
> > "About a year after the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery became national news, and nearly 15 months after he was shot while jogging down a street, Georgia has repealed the vague law being used to defend the men charged with murder in his killing."
> >
> > "The law, which allowed any citizen to "arrest" another if a crime was committed "within his immediate knowledge,"
> >
> > "The men accused in Arbery's killing have said they thought Arbery had committed a burglary when they chased him through a neighborhood near Brunswick, though no evidence of that crime has emerged."
> >
> > https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/05/10/georgia-repeals-1863-law-once-used-to-justify-lynching-in-wake-of-ahmaud-arbery-murder-case/
> > "Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) on Monday signed a bill repealing a citizen's arrest law once used to justify lynchings after the Civil War after the law was brought into the national spotlight and widely condemned when a prosecutor used it to justify the vigilante-style killing of 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery last year."
> >
> > "Arbery was rammed with a pickup truck before being shot and killed while he jogged through the Satilla Shores neighborhood in Brunswick, Georgia, by men who claimed they were trying to make a citizen's arrest of the unarmed Black man."
> >
> > "The defendants said the killing was a result of mistaken identity, since they believed Arbery was responsible for local burglaries."
> >
> > "A prosecutor who was initially given the case said the shooting was justified, citing the citizen’s arrest law."
> >
>
> AFAIK all States make some provision for a citizen to
> intervene /in extremis/.
>
> That said, legislators are hardly logicians and are
> notorious for poor English composition, with
> all-too-well-known results.{1} Hence a clarifying revision.
> Happens often, would not have changed anything in this case.
>
> I note however that virtually no one in USA publicly
> defended the jerks in question. All three were promptly
> tried, convicted and sentenced, in Georgia, under whatever
> laws were in effect at that time.

Promptly?!?!
Arbery was shot on February 23rd. The redneck brothers weren't arrested until May 7 (ten weeks), and only after a video was released showing the incident. The third redneck wasn't arrested until may 21st. That's "promptly" to you?

>
> It was an indefensible act, hardly a symptom of 'systemic
> racism', given the response of the good people of Georgia,
> her officials and institutions in this matter.

They detained then killed a guy jogging through the neighborhood for no other reasn than his skin color. They had no evidence he had committed any crimes, he wasn't carrying anything that would indicate he had robbed or attempted to rob anything. The "string of crimes" the rednecks were allegedly acting on was one incident where a gun was stolen from one of their unlocked cars seven weeks earlier. It was a racist act that would have been allowed to go unpunished unless there was video.

>
> [1] Congress moreso:
> https://www.skadden.com/about/news-and-rankings/news/2022/04/liberty-global-wins-significant-victory-in-tax-case
>
> https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-tax-report/major-temporary-international-tax-deduction-rules-struck-down
>
> Couldn't find a full non-paywall link but basically the
> Court found that Liberty Global lawfully walked through
> loopholes left by sloppy legislation to the tune of
> $109,000,000.00.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/8/2022 7:02 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 6:54:19 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 4/7/2022 2:41 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 1:54:13 AM UTC-5, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-blames-17-old-girl-215742328.html
>>>>>
>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>> It was Georgia. And the girl killed was black. I am sure there are laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim because of the grief caused.
>>>
>>> I am adding this part in case there are any people who misunderstood my comment about the laws in Georgia.
>>>
>>> https://www.npr.org/2021/05/11/995835333/in-ahmaud-arberys-name-georgia-repeals-citizens-arrest-law
>>> "About a year after the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery became national news, and nearly 15 months after he was shot while jogging down a street, Georgia has repealed the vague law being used to defend the men charged with murder in his killing."
>>>
>>> "The law, which allowed any citizen to "arrest" another if a crime was committed "within his immediate knowledge,"
>>>
>>> "The men accused in Arbery's killing have said they thought Arbery had committed a burglary when they chased him through a neighborhood near Brunswick, though no evidence of that crime has emerged."
>>>
>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/05/10/georgia-repeals-1863-law-once-used-to-justify-lynching-in-wake-of-ahmaud-arbery-murder-case/
>>> "Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) on Monday signed a bill repealing a citizen's arrest law once used to justify lynchings after the Civil War after the law was brought into the national spotlight and widely condemned when a prosecutor used it to justify the vigilante-style killing of 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery last year."
>>>
>>> "Arbery was rammed with a pickup truck before being shot and killed while he jogged through the Satilla Shores neighborhood in Brunswick, Georgia, by men who claimed they were trying to make a citizen's arrest of the unarmed Black man."
>>>
>>> "The defendants said the killing was a result of mistaken identity, since they believed Arbery was responsible for local burglaries."
>>>
>>> "A prosecutor who was initially given the case said the shooting was justified, citing the citizen’s arrest law."
>>>
>>
>> AFAIK all States make some provision for a citizen to
>> intervene /in extremis/.
>>
>> That said, legislators are hardly logicians and are
>> notorious for poor English composition, with
>> all-too-well-known results.{1} Hence a clarifying revision.
>> Happens often, would not have changed anything in this case.
>>
>> I note however that virtually no one in USA publicly
>> defended the jerks in question. All three were promptly
>> tried, convicted and sentenced, in Georgia, under whatever
>> laws were in effect at that time.
>
> Promptly?!?!
> Arbery was shot on February 23rd. The redneck brothers weren't arrested until May 7 (ten weeks), and only after a video was released showing the incident. The third redneck wasn't arrested until may 21st. That's "promptly" to you?
>
>>
>> It was an indefensible act, hardly a symptom of 'systemic
>> racism', given the response of the good people of Georgia,
>> her officials and institutions in this matter.
>
> They detained then killed a guy jogging through the neighborhood for no other reasn than his skin color. They had no evidence he had committed any crimes, he wasn't carrying anything that would indicate he had robbed or attempted to rob anything. The "string of crimes" the rednecks were allegedly acting on was one incident where a gun was stolen from one of their unlocked cars seven weeks earlier. It was a racist act that would have been allowed to go unpunished unless there was video.
>
>
>>
>> [1] Congress moreso:
>> https://www.skadden.com/about/news-and-rankings/news/2022/04/liberty-global-wins-significant-victory-in-tax-case
>>
>> https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-tax-report/major-temporary-international-tax-deduction-rules-struck-down
>>
>> Couldn't find a full non-paywall link but basically the
>> Court found that Liberty Global lawfully walked through
>> loopholes left by sloppy legislation to the tune of
>> $109,000,000.00.

Yes, that's true and obvious. The process was prompt as
capital murder cases go.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/8/2022 9:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/8/2022 7:02 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 6:54:19 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 4/7/2022 2:41 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 1:54:13 AM UTC-5, russell...@yahoo.com
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-blames-17-old-girl-215742328.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>> It was Georgia. And the girl killed was black. I am sure there are
>>>>> laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim
>>>>> because of the grief caused.
>>>>
>>>> I am adding this part in case there are any people who misunderstood
>>>> my comment about the laws in Georgia.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.npr.org/2021/05/11/995835333/in-ahmaud-arberys-name-georgia-repeals-citizens-arrest-law
>>>>
>>>> "About a year after the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery became
>>>> national news, and nearly 15 months after he was shot while jogging
>>>> down a street, Georgia has repealed the vague law being used to
>>>> defend the men charged with murder in his killing."
>>>>
>>>> "The law, which allowed any citizen to "arrest" another if a crime
>>>> was committed "within his immediate knowledge,"
>>>>
>>>> "The men accused in Arbery's killing have said they thought Arbery
>>>> had committed a burglary when they chased him through a neighborhood
>>>> near Brunswick, though no evidence of that crime has emerged."
>>>>
>>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/05/10/georgia-repeals-1863-law-once-used-to-justify-lynching-in-wake-of-ahmaud-arbery-murder-case/
>>>>
>>>> "Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) on Monday signed a bill repealing a
>>>> citizen's arrest law once used to justify lynchings after the Civil
>>>> War after the law was brought into the national spotlight and widely
>>>> condemned when a prosecutor used it to justify the vigilante-style
>>>> killing of 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery last year."
>>>>
>>>> "Arbery was rammed with a pickup truck before being shot and killed
>>>> while he jogged through the Satilla Shores neighborhood in
>>>> Brunswick, Georgia, by men who claimed they were trying to make a
>>>> citizen's arrest of the unarmed Black man."
>>>>
>>>> "The defendants said the killing was a result of mistaken identity,
>>>> since they believed Arbery was responsible for local burglaries."
>>>>
>>>> "A prosecutor who was initially given the case said the shooting was
>>>> justified, citing the citizen’s arrest law."
>>>>
>>>
>>> AFAIK all States make some provision for a citizen to
>>> intervene /in extremis/.
>>>
>>> That said, legislators are hardly logicians and are
>>> notorious for poor English composition, with
>>> all-too-well-known results.{1} Hence a clarifying revision.
>>> Happens often, would not have changed anything in this case.
>>>
>>> I note however that virtually no one in USA publicly
>>> defended the jerks in question. All three were promptly
>>> tried, convicted and sentenced, in Georgia, under whatever
>>> laws were in effect at that time.
>>
>> Promptly?!?!
>> Arbery was shot on February 23rd. The redneck brothers weren't
>> arrested until May 7 (ten weeks), and only after a video was released
>> showing the incident. The third redneck wasn't arrested until may
>> 21st. That's "promptly" to you?
>>
>>>
>>> It was an indefensible act, hardly a symptom of 'systemic
>>> racism', given the response of the good people of Georgia,
>>> her officials and institutions in this matter.
>>
>> They detained then killed a guy jogging through the neighborhood for
>> no other reasn than his skin color. They had no evidence he had
>> committed any crimes, he wasn't carrying anything that would indicate
>> he had robbed or attempted to rob anything. The "string of crimes" the
>> rednecks were allegedly acting on was one incident where a gun was
>> stolen from one of their unlocked cars seven weeks earlier. It was a
>> racist act that would have been allowed to go unpunished unless there
>> was video.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> [1] Congress moreso:
>>> https://www.skadden.com/about/news-and-rankings/news/2022/04/liberty-global-wins-significant-victory-in-tax-case
>>>
>>>
>>> https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-tax-report/major-temporary-international-tax-deduction-rules-struck-down
>>>
>>>
>>> Couldn't find a full non-paywall link but basically the
>>> Court found that Liberty Global lawfully walked through
>>> loopholes left by sloppy legislation to the tune of
>>> $109,000,000.00.
>
> Yes, that's true and obvious. The process was prompt as capital murder
> cases go.

Funk's got a point. Maybe the post arrest process was only typically
slow. But the delay before arrests was unconscionable, and IMO
indicative of serious problems remaining in Southern culture.

That's one of the reasons I don't live there any more.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 9:45:08 AM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/8/2022 7:02 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 6:54:19 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 4/7/2022 2:41 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 1:54:13 AM UTC-5, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-blames-17-old-girl-215742328.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>> It was Georgia. And the girl killed was black. I am sure there are laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim because of the grief caused.
> >>>
> >>> I am adding this part in case there are any people who misunderstood my comment about the laws in Georgia.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.npr.org/2021/05/11/995835333/in-ahmaud-arberys-name-georgia-repeals-citizens-arrest-law
> >>> "About a year after the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery became national news, and nearly 15 months after he was shot while jogging down a street, Georgia has repealed the vague law being used to defend the men charged with murder in his killing."
> >>>
> >>> "The law, which allowed any citizen to "arrest" another if a crime was committed "within his immediate knowledge,"
> >>>
> >>> "The men accused in Arbery's killing have said they thought Arbery had committed a burglary when they chased him through a neighborhood near Brunswick, though no evidence of that crime has emerged."
> >>>
> >>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/05/10/georgia-repeals-1863-law-once-used-to-justify-lynching-in-wake-of-ahmaud-arbery-murder-case/
> >>> "Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp (R) on Monday signed a bill repealing a citizen's arrest law once used to justify lynchings after the Civil War after the law was brought into the national spotlight and widely condemned when a prosecutor used it to justify the vigilante-style killing of 25-year-old Ahmaud Arbery last year."
> >>>
> >>> "Arbery was rammed with a pickup truck before being shot and killed while he jogged through the Satilla Shores neighborhood in Brunswick, Georgia, by men who claimed they were trying to make a citizen's arrest of the unarmed Black man."
> >>>
> >>> "The defendants said the killing was a result of mistaken identity, since they believed Arbery was responsible for local burglaries."
> >>>
> >>> "A prosecutor who was initially given the case said the shooting was justified, citing the citizen’s arrest law."
> >>>
> >>
> >> AFAIK all States make some provision for a citizen to
> >> intervene /in extremis/.
> >>
> >> That said, legislators are hardly logicians and are
> >> notorious for poor English composition, with
> >> all-too-well-known results.{1} Hence a clarifying revision.
> >> Happens often, would not have changed anything in this case.
> >>
> >> I note however that virtually no one in USA publicly
> >> defended the jerks in question. All three were promptly
> >> tried, convicted and sentenced, in Georgia, under whatever
> >> laws were in effect at that time.
> >
> > Promptly?!?!
> > Arbery was shot on February 23rd. The redneck brothers weren't arrested until May 7 (ten weeks), and only after a video was released showing the incident. The third redneck wasn't arrested until may 21st. That's "promptly" to you?
> >
> Yes, that's true and obvious.

Bullshit. Ten weeks is obviously _not_ prompt. A guy out for a jog gets harassed and detained at gunpoint and killed by the gun wielder after a struggle. The DA initially refused to press charges claiming the vigilante was exercising self defense because the victim fought back. It's a heinous attempted dismissal of murder. There was nothing prompt or even reasonable about the delay or the reasons for it.

> The process was prompt as
> capital murder cases go.

Only after the arrest because the state AG realized the horrid optics. If there was no video, the rednecks would still be walking free without even a half-assed investigation.

On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 10:57:07 AM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/8/2022 9:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 4/8/2022 7:02 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 6:54:19 PM UTC-4, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I note however that virtually no one in USA publicly
> >>> defended the jerks in question. All three were promptly
> >>> tried, convicted and sentenced, in Georgia, under whatever
> >>> laws were in effect at that time.
> >>
> >> Promptly?!?!
> >> Arbery was shot on February 23rd. The redneck brothers weren't
> >> arrested until May 7 (ten weeks), and only after a video was released
> >> showing the incident. The third redneck wasn't arrested until may
> >> 21st. That's "promptly" to you?
> >>
> >>>
> >>> It was an indefensible act, hardly a symptom of 'systemic
> >>> racism', given the response of the good people of Georgia,
> >>> her officials and institutions in this matter.
> >>
> >> They detained then killed a guy jogging through the neighborhood for
> >> no other reasn than his skin color. They had no evidence he had
> >> committed any crimes, he wasn't carrying anything that would indicate
> >> he had robbed or attempted to rob anything. The "string of crimes" the
> >> rednecks were allegedly acting on was one incident where a gun was
> >> stolen from one of their unlocked cars seven weeks earlier. It was a
> >> racist act that would have been allowed to go unpunished unless there
> >> was video.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Yes, that's true and obvious. The process was prompt as capital murder
> > cases go.
> Funk's got a point. Maybe the post arrest process was only typically
> slow. But the delay before arrests was unconscionable, and IMO
> indicative of serious problems remaining in Southern culture.

+1

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 4:17:39 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> russellseaton caused grave emotional injury to Ga. legislators:
> > frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
> non-cryptic link:
> <https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2565014231102/report-blames-17-year-old-girl-for-accident-that-killed-her-and-the-driver-has-never-been-charged>
>
> A fact of _not_ wearing a life-saving foam lid would have been
> mentioned, wouldn't it?
>
> My anecdotal evidence shows a correlation of single moms' families and
> substandard bicycle lighting. Of course, in our beautifully woke
> societies, old white man cannot even mention to a white single mom that
> their safety equipment is off/misaimed/broken/blinding without risking
> to be furiously attacked for mansplaining, or worse.
> > I am sure there are
> > laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim because
> > of the grief caused.
> Oh wait, let me "fact check"[1]<eg>:
> |[Attorney Bruce] Hagen told Channel 2′s Dave Huddleston that the
> |trooper’s conclusions were not Georgia law.
> |
> |“The officer made faulty conclusions, misapplying the law to somehow
> |come to the determination Ms. Osuegbu was at fault,” Hagen said.
> |
> |Hagen adds that Rawlins’ children were also in the car at the time of
> |the accident.
> |
> |“She was driving with her children in the vehicle,” Hagan said. “She
> |was only charged with child endangerment, but she was not charged with
> |vehicular homicide.
>
> Verdict: strongly misleading; no evidence of claimed Ga. laws shown.
>
> --
> [1]
> <https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/>
> <https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-shadowy-trusted-news-initiative/5752930>
> Batya Ungar-Sargon, Bad News. How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy,
> Encounter Books, New York 2021.
> Lucas Graves, Deciding What’s True. The Rise of Political Fact-Checking
> in American Journalism, Columbia University Press

I have shown my study many times and the only exception to the efficacy of helmets is the possible Wavecell helmets from Bontrager and we do not have sufficient statistics to show whether they are truly an improvement or not. With the minute numbers of people wearing the Wavecell, it will take 10 years of data from people that are actually using this helmet. I do not believe that this data will be available since there simply is no way to track the data.

http://www.vehicularcyclist.com/kunich.html

On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 23:54:11 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
>>
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-blames-17-old-girl-215742328.html
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
>It was Georgia. And the girl killed was black. I am sure there are laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim because of the grief caused.

Not to start a feud but one report states that it was 9 o'clock at
night and the bicycle was in the middle of the traffic lane with no
lights and no mention of street lighting, was or was not?

But then, there was a recent discussion of bicycle lights and if I
remember they weren't needed to make the cyclist more noticeable to
the motorist...
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 06:34:48 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 4:17:39 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
>> russellseaton caused grave emotional injury to Ga. legislators:
>> > frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
>> non-cryptic link:
>> <https://www.newsbreak.com/news/2565014231102/report-blames-17-year-old-girl-for-accident-that-killed-her-and-the-driver-has-never-been-charged>
>>
>> A fact of _not_ wearing a life-saving foam lid would have been
>> mentioned, wouldn't it?
>>
>> My anecdotal evidence shows a correlation of single moms' families and
>> substandard bicycle lighting. Of course, in our beautifully woke
>> societies, old white man cannot even mention to a white single mom that
>> their safety equipment is off/misaimed/broken/blinding without risking
>> to be furiously attacked for mansplaining, or worse.
>> > I am sure there are
>> > laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim because
>> > of the grief caused.
>> Oh wait, let me "fact check"[1]<eg>:
>> |[Attorney Bruce] Hagen told Channel 2?s Dave Huddleston that the
>> |trooper’s conclusions were not Georgia law.
>> |
>> |“The officer made faulty conclusions, misapplying the law to somehow
>> |come to the determination Ms. Osuegbu was at fault,” Hagen said.
>> |
>> |Hagen adds that Rawlins’ children were also in the car at the time of
>> |the accident.
>> |
>> |“She was driving with her children in the vehicle,” Hagan said. “She
>> |was only charged with child endangerment, but she was not charged with
>> |vehicular homicide.
>>
>> Verdict: strongly misleading; no evidence of claimed Ga. laws shown.
>>
>> --
>> [1]
>> <https://nypost.com/2021/12/14/facebook-admits-the-truth-fact-checks-are-really-just-lefty-opinion/>
>> <https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-shadowy-trusted-news-initiative/5752930>
>> Batya Ungar-Sargon, Bad News. How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy,
>> Encounter Books, New York 2021.
>> Lucas Graves, Deciding What’s True. The Rise of Political Fact-Checking
>> in American Journalism, Columbia University Press
>
>Well, you have seen the furious 5 "fact checking" anything and everything because they are too stupid to actually look into something themselves. That cartoon that Frank posted is a very good example. He is so ignorant of the world around him he doesn't know that if you inflate the US dollar here, you inflate it over the entire globe. John Slocum is even worse - he actually knows nothing and his entire world is what he can obtain from Google. If you look on Google the only articles you can find are those claiming that this study or that found "no efficacy" from this drug or that drug. Oh yeah, if you actually read the studies it says that Ivermectin SEEMS to have no effect if given to people on the verge of death from covid-19. Google is very careful not to mention that it appears to be a descent and cheap means of preventing the illness in those most subject to it. If you believe that there is a shred of honesty in any "fact checker" sites you are really dreaming. I have said this
>for the last 10 years and every one of those fact checkers that the stupid 5 have quoted have been proven either inaccurate or outright lies. This is the world that they want to live in.

Either you don't know what "inflation" is or you don't understand how
foreign currency exchange works.
Oops, I missed the most likely. Or you are a fool.

Any country can establish their exchange rate with any other country
by simply stating what their central bank will pay to buy that
currency. Indonesia did just that to deflate their currency versus the
U.S. dollar in the 1970's and Thailand does the same thing today.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 4/9/2022 1:53 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 23:54:11 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
>>>
>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-blames-17-old-girl-215742328.html
>>>
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>
>> It was Georgia. And the girl killed was black. I am sure there are laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim because of the grief caused.
>
> Not to start a feud but one report states that it was 9 o'clock at
> night and the bicycle was in the middle of the traffic lane with no
> lights and no mention of street lighting, was or was not?
>
> But then, there was a recent discussion of bicycle lights and if I
> remember they weren't needed to make the cyclist more noticeable to
> the motorist...

My position in these incidents is this: If a cyclist has fulfilled all
legal requirements, there should be no implication that the cyclist is
somehow at fault, or didn't do enough to prevent a crash.

The cyclist in question was hit from behind by a person high on drugs.

From the report, we actually don't know if she had a rear reflector,
which is all that Georgia requires. I suspect she had the required
reflector; otherwise the cop (obviously trying to blame her) would have
mentioned the lack of that legal requirement.

Instead, the cop invented imaginary requirements for a taillight and
reflective clothing. But those are NOT legally required.

I feel the same way about similar reports stating "The bicyclist was not
wearing a helmet" or "the bicyclist was riding in the roadway."

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 4/9/2022 9:55 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/9/2022 1:53 AM, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 23:54:11 -0700 (PDT),
>> "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5,
>>> frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-blames-17-old-girl-215742328.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>
>>> It was Georgia. And the girl killed was black. I am
>>> sure there are laws in Georgia that say the killer can
>>> sue the black victim because of the grief caused.
>>
>> Not to start a feud but one report states that it was 9
>> o'clock at
>> night and the bicycle was in the middle of the traffic
>> lane with no
>> lights and no mention of street lighting, was or was not?
>>
>> But then, there was a recent discussion of bicycle lights
>> and if I
>> remember they weren't needed to make the cyclist more
>> noticeable to
>> the motorist...
>
> My position in these incidents is this: If a cyclist has
> fulfilled all legal requirements, there should be no
> implication that the cyclist is somehow at fault, or didn't
> do enough to prevent a crash.
>
> The cyclist in question was hit from behind by a person high
> on drugs.
>
> From the report, we actually don't know if she had a rear
> reflector, which is all that Georgia requires. I suspect she
> had the required reflector; otherwise the cop (obviously
> trying to blame her) would have mentioned the lack of that
> legal requirement.
>
> Instead, the cop invented imaginary requirements for a
> taillight and reflective clothing. But those are NOT legally
> required.
>
> I feel the same way about similar reports stating "The
> bicyclist was not wearing a helmet" or "the bicyclist was
> riding in the roadway."
>

We do not know whether charges will be filed or not. Initial
police reports are not always dispositive to death
investigations.

You may be right. Or not. But DAs seldom jump to conclusions
in the first hours or days.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 4/9/2022 12:14 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/9/2022 9:55 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 4/9/2022 1:53 AM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 23:54:11 -0700 (PDT),
>>> "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>>> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5,
>>>> frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-blames-17-old-girl-215742328.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>
>>>> It was Georgia.  And the girl killed was black.  I am
>>>> sure there are laws in Georgia that say the killer can
>>>> sue the black victim because of the grief caused.
>>>
>>> Not to start a feud but one report states that it was 9
>>> o'clock at
>>> night and the bicycle was in the middle of the traffic
>>> lane with no
>>> lights and no mention of street lighting, was or was not?
>>>
>>> But then, there was a recent discussion of bicycle lights
>>> and if I
>>> remember they weren't needed to make the cyclist more
>>> noticeable to
>>> the motorist...
>>
>> My position in these incidents is this: If a cyclist has
>> fulfilled all legal requirements, there should be no
>> implication that the cyclist is somehow at fault, or didn't
>> do enough to prevent a crash.
>>
>> The cyclist in question was hit from behind by a person high
>> on drugs.
>>
>>  From the report, we actually don't know if she had a rear
>> reflector, which is all that Georgia requires. I suspect she
>> had the required reflector; otherwise the cop (obviously
>> trying to blame her) would have mentioned the lack of that
>> legal requirement.
>>
>> Instead, the cop invented imaginary requirements for a
>> taillight and reflective clothing. But those are NOT legally
>> required.
>>
>> I feel the same way about similar reports stating "The
>> bicyclist was not wearing a helmet" or "the bicyclist was
>> riding in the roadway."
>>
>
> We do not know whether charges will be filed or not. Initial police
> reports are not always dispositive to death investigations.
>
> You may be right. Or not. But DAs seldom jump to conclusions in the
> first hours or days.

We'll see what future developments are, if any.

But I'm certainly right about the cop implying she had some
responsibility to use equipment that wasn't legally mandated. That
should not happen.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 9:14:11 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 4/9/2022 9:55 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 4/9/2022 1:53 AM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 23:54:11 -0700 (PDT),
> >> "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5,
> >>> frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-blames-17-old-girl-215742328.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>
> >>> It was Georgia. And the girl killed was black. I am
> >>> sure there are laws in Georgia that say the killer can
> >>> sue the black victim because of the grief caused.
> >>
> >> Not to start a feud but one report states that it was 9
> >> o'clock at
> >> night and the bicycle was in the middle of the traffic
> >> lane with no
> >> lights and no mention of street lighting, was or was not?
> >>
> >> But then, there was a recent discussion of bicycle lights
> >> and if I
> >> remember they weren't needed to make the cyclist more
> >> noticeable to
> >> the motorist...
> >
> > My position in these incidents is this: If a cyclist has
> > fulfilled all legal requirements, there should be no
> > implication that the cyclist is somehow at fault, or didn't
> > do enough to prevent a crash.
> >
> > The cyclist in question was hit from behind by a person high
> > on drugs.
> >
> > From the report, we actually don't know if she had a rear
> > reflector, which is all that Georgia requires. I suspect she
> > had the required reflector; otherwise the cop (obviously
> > trying to blame her) would have mentioned the lack of that
> > legal requirement.
> >
> > Instead, the cop invented imaginary requirements for a
> > taillight and reflective clothing. But those are NOT legally
> > required.
> >
> > I feel the same way about similar reports stating "The
> > bicyclist was not wearing a helmet" or "the bicyclist was
> > riding in the roadway."
> >
> We do not know whether charges will be filed or not. Initial
> police reports are not always dispositive to death
> investigations.
>
> You may be right. Or not. But DAs seldom jump to conclusions
> in the first hours or days.

This is where Jay would be really handy. He knows just how hard a prosecutor has to work to build a case and be careful not to have his jurisdiction sued out from under him for some minor flaw in the case.

On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 10:55:55 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 4/9/2022 1:53 AM, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 23:54:11 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> ... even if the motorist was stoned.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/report-blames-17-old-girl-215742328.html
>>>>
>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>
>>> It was Georgia. And the girl killed was black. I am sure there are laws in Georgia that say the killer can sue the black victim because of the grief caused.
>>
>> Not to start a feud but one report states that it was 9 o'clock at
>> night and the bicycle was in the middle of the traffic lane with no
>> lights and no mention of street lighting, was or was not?
>>
>> But then, there was a recent discussion of bicycle lights and if I
>> remember they weren't needed to make the cyclist more noticeable to
>> the motorist...
>
>My position in these incidents is this: If a cyclist has fulfilled all
>legal requirements, there should be no implication that the cyclist is
>somehow at fault, or didn't do enough to prevent a crash.
>
>The cyclist in question was hit from behind by a person high on drugs.
>
> From the report, we actually don't know if she had a rear reflector,
>which is all that Georgia requires. I suspect she had the required
>reflector; otherwise the cop (obviously trying to blame her) would have
>mentioned the lack of that legal requirement.
>
>Instead, the cop invented imaginary requirements for a taillight and
>reflective clothing. But those are NOT legally required.
>
>I feel the same way about similar reports stating "The bicyclist was not
>wearing a helmet" or "the bicyclist was riding in the roadway."

My impression was that the news report, referenced was actually
something that the lawyer had dictated, and was, I thought, very low
in actual facts and details. Nor was I attempting to justify either
the auto driver or the cyclist.

But really, "Police said the driver, Chrissy Rawlins, was high on
drugs"? And how did he know? He made a roadside drug test and it
tested "over the limits" and he didn't arrest or charge the driver?
Strange that. Or are U.S. police so lax that they don't charge drunk
or drug impaired drivers now?

What was the street/road lighting in that area? Did the bike have any
lighting or reflectors or other items to make it more visible in an
unlighted area? Was the bicycle actually in the middle of the lane?

And so on.
--
Cheers,

John B.

Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> Trivial fact of the day: Yesterday, I survived Covid booster shot #2
> (Pfizer).

Not trying to convince anyone here (besides myself;-), of course:

(2) Repeated "boosting" saturates the immune system. If the same vaccine
is inoculated at the same dose and into the same tissues, the antibodies
of immunological memory derived from previous vaccinations prevent an
effective immune response, especially the formation of antibodies on the
mucous membranes. Thus, there is no protection from infection by
boosting after the 5th vaccination at the latest. Immediately after the
4th vaccination it is just 11 - 30% (Regev-Yochay et al., MedRxiv 2022).
On the other hand, local side effects are observed in 80% of those
vaccinated, and systemic side effects in 40%. These side effects could
increase with further boosting, because they are caused by the innate
immune system, which is "trained" by continuous boosting. Thus, by
boosting three times, one has, so to speak, "shot one's immunological
powder", the immune system is so saturated that it probably no longer
reacts optimally even to adapted new vaccines (technical term "original
antigenic sin"). In this sense, vaccinating twice or recovering once is
better than vaccinating three times to preserve the adaptability of
immunological memory.
(auto-deepled)
<https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/885544/603140227998e5482d2fb207eedbc13a/20_14_0017-27-_Prof-Dr-Andreas-Radbusch_Impfpflicht-data.pdf>

Don't worry, medical trials are showing that some can even play 85+
rounds of Russian roulette.
<https://www.odditycentral.com/news/61-year-old-man-allegedly-gets-90-doses-of-covid-19-vaccine.html>

> Today, the injection site aches, I'm rather tired, and have
> a mild stomach ache.

Must be that meat burger which Tom had tricked you into ordering from
Los Gatos; hopefully not another case of Pfizer "belly ache" aka
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intestinal_ischemia>

> This posting is about all I can manage before I
> crawl back into bed.

Thank you for reminding me I wanted to send 'erbal muthi medicine
placebos to my proudly boostered relatives, just to test how/if they'll
reply by Easter. <https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15035888/>

--
Congratulations from pharma investor Tom and Biontech's Golden Kid Ugur
<https://t.me/FLMuc/414>

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:41:51 AM UTC-7, Sepp Ruf wrote:
> Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> > Trivial fact of the day: Yesterday, I survived Covid booster shot #2
> > (Pfizer).
> Not trying to convince anyone here (besides myself;-), of course:
>
> (2) Repeated "boosting" saturates the immune system. If the same vaccine
> is inoculated at the same dose and into the same tissues, the antibodies
> of immunological memory derived from previous vaccinations prevent an
> effective immune response, especially the formation of antibodies on the
> mucous membranes. Thus, there is no protection from infection by
> boosting after the 5th vaccination at the latest. Immediately after the
> 4th vaccination it is just 11 - 30% (Regev-Yochay et al., MedRxiv 2022).
> On the other hand, local side effects are observed in 80% of those
> vaccinated, and systemic side effects in 40%. These side effects could
> increase with further boosting, because they are caused by the innate
> immune system, which is "trained" by continuous boosting. Thus, by
> boosting three times, one has, so to speak, "shot one's immunological
> powder", the immune system is so saturated that it probably no longer
> reacts optimally even to adapted new vaccines (technical term "original
> antigenic sin"). In this sense, vaccinating twice or recovering once is
> better than vaccinating three times to preserve the adaptability of
> immunological memory.
> (auto-deepled)
> <https://www.bundestag.de/resource/blob/885544/603140227998e5482d2fb207eedbc13a/20_14_0017-27-_Prof-Dr-Andreas-Radbusch_Impfpflicht-data.pdf>
>
> Don't worry, medical trials are showing that some can even play 85+
> rounds of Russian roulette.
> <https://www.odditycentral.com/news/61-year-old-man-allegedly-gets-90-doses-of-covid-19-vaccine.html>
> > Today, the injection site aches, I'm rather tired, and have
> > a mild stomach ache.
> Must be that meat burger which Tom had tricked you into ordering from
> Los Gatos; hopefully not another case of Pfizer "belly ache" aka
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intestinal_ischemia>
> > This posting is about all I can manage before I
> > crawl back into bed.
> Thank you for reminding me I wanted to send 'erbal muthi medicine
> placebos to my proudly boostered relatives, just to test how/if they'll
> reply by Easter. <https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15035888/>
>
>
> --
> Congratulations from pharma investor Tom and Biontech's Golden Kid Ugur
> <https://t.me/FLMuc/414>

I am of the same mind. If you already have antibodies for the spike proteins and you introduce some more you do nothing but weaken the immune system which has its limit. Any pretense that these typical viral variations are going to need special boosters for seems to ignore the blatant fact that we already know that people fully vaccinated catch and spread the illness. The fact that it has such a shockingly low mortality rate makes one have to wonder why this has been treated as such a world danger.

I have shown that the CDC's own data indicate that it is NOT a dangerous illness and that the deaths have not been because of covid-19 but because of the lockdown and the shocking amount of Fentanyl pouring over our borders.

On 4/10/2022 10:27 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> I am of the same mind. If you already have antibodies for the spike proteins and you introduce some more you do nothing but weaken the immune system which has its limit.

:-) Says famous medical researcher Tom Kunich.

> I have shown that the CDC's own data indicate that it is NOT a dangerous illness ...

No you haven't, Tom, and about a dozen people have proven that here.

You've convinced nobody but yourself.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 8:24:24 AM UTC-7, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 4/10/2022 10:27 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >
> > I am of the same mind. If you already have antibodies for the spike proteins and you introduce some more you do nothing but weaken the immune system which has its limit.
> :-) Says famous medical researcher Tom Kunich.
>
> > I have shown that the CDC's own data indicate that it is NOT a dangerous illness ...
>
> No you haven't, Tom, and about a dozen people have proven that here.
>
> You've convinced nobody but yourself.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
I wonder how this man's immune system is - perhaps his immune system should be examined to see what potential damage happen with "abuse""
https://www.dw.com/en/german-man-got-covid-jab-87-times-report/a-61338245

Regards, Pat